Dear Rec,

I have posted pictures in ABPW but I hope my verbal description is
enough for thos who can't access it.

I have a 10” wide, quick acting woodworking vise that I got from my
dad. I currently have it mounted on my workbench, but I am planning a
bench upgrade (better, flatter top) and I want to remount the vise to
give me the maximum benefit of its features.

As you can see in the pictures, I have attached maple the jaw faces.
If you will note, the moving jaw has a lip on the top that extends
full width and stands proud of the top by about 5/16”. The thickness
of the lip is about half the jaw thickness.

Currently, I have the vise mounted so the lip extends above the plane
of my workbench top. I have also drilled a set of dog holes opposite
the vise with the thinking that I can use the vise in combination with
dogs to clamp larger pieces to the bench top. This works OK although
the 5/16” lip doesn’t have all that much of a grab face. The down
side of this set-up is that if I’m moving pieces around on my bench
and they stick out over the sides, they invariably hit the vise lip
and I mar the piece.

I would like, therefore, to solicit from the collected wisdom of this
group with the following questions:

1. Have you ever seen a vise like this before? How was it mounted
relative to the workbench top?

2. Would you recommend I mount this vise to continue to use the lip
with the dogs or do you feel I should mount it lower to get the lip
out of the way?

3. If I mount the vise lower, should I retain the current maple jaw
liners or should I make a set that would extend up to the bench top,
perhaps routing away part of the wood so it tucks up against the lip?

4. Are there any other mounting/use options I have overlooked?

As I said, I got this vise from my dad. I imagine I could probably
find a better one, but I want to keep this vise (and al the tools I
inherited) as working tools that are part of what I create in my shop.

Thanks for your input,

Bill Leonhardt

On Jul 24, 10:10*am, Bill Leonhardt wrote:
Dear Rec,

I have posted pictures in ABPW but I hope my verbal description is
enough for thos who can't access it.

I have a 10” wide, quick acting woodworking vise that I got from my
dad. *I currently have it mounted on my workbench, but I am planning a
bench upgrade (better, flatter top) and I want to remount the vise to
give me the maximum benefit of its features.

As you can see in the pictures, I have attached maple the jaw faces.
If you will note, the moving jaw has a lip on the top that extends
full width and stands proud of the top by about 5/16”. *The thickness
of the lip is about half the jaw thickness.

Currently, I have the vise mounted so the lip extends above the plane
of my workbench top. *I have also drilled a set of dog holes opposite
the vise with the thinking that I can use the vise in combination with
dogs to clamp larger pieces to the bench top. *This works OK although
the 5/16” lip doesn’t have all that much of a grab face. *The down
side of this set-up is that if I’m moving pieces around on my bench
and they stick out over the sides, they invariably hit the vise lip
and I mar the piece.

I would like, therefore, to solicit from the collected wisdom of this
group with the following questions:

1. * Have you ever seen a vise like this before? *How was it mounted
relative to the workbench top?

2. * Would you recommend I mount this vise to continue to use the lip
with the dogs or do you feel I should mount it lower to get the lip
out of the way?

3. * If I mount the vise lower, should I retain the current maple jaw
liners or should I make a set that would extend up to the bench top,
perhaps routing away part of the wood so it tucks up against the lip?

4. * Are there any other mounting/use options I have overlooked?

As I said, I got this vise from my dad. *I imagine I could probably
find a better one, but I want to keep this vise (and al the tools I
inherited) as working tools that are part of what I create in my shop.

Thanks for your input,

Bill Leonhardt

I think the vise is worth keeping. I'd wish it had a pop up dog but
it's certainly workable. I would do two things if I was mounting it in
a new bench:

Mount it so the jaw at the bench was in line with the side of the
bench instead of sticking out, and

Cover up the existing lip and put in a thicker piece of wood with one
or two holes for bench dogs of some sort, so I could make it flush
with the bench top when I wasn't using it.

I agree with you, having that lip there constantly would be a royal
pain. But it's too nice a piece of equipment to toss. I'd use a new
wood face to build it up higher, mount it flush with the top and the
side, and use bench dogs in the new wood face. You'd lose a little bit
of jaw opening by having a thicker face, but It would be worth it.

But that's just my first thoughts. There's probably a lot that I'm
forgetting. Like, how deep should the hole for the bench dogs go?
Would I build it so I could push the bench dog in too deep so I'd need
to pound a nail in it to get it out?

And stuff like that. :-)

Oh, and since the face is much thicker, I'd also make the face quite a
bit longer than the jaw.

On Jul 24, 9:01*pm, " wrote:
On Jul 24, 10:10*am, Bill Leonhardt wrote:





Dear Rec,

I have posted pictures in ABPW but I hope my verbal description is
enough for thos who can't access it.

I have a 10” wide, quick acting woodworking vise that I got from my
dad. *I currently have it mounted on my workbench, but I am planning a
bench upgrade (better, flatter top) and I want to remount the vise to
give me the maximum benefit of its features.

As you can see in the pictures, I have attached maple the jaw faces.
If you will note, the moving jaw has a lip on the top that extends
full width and stands proud of the top by about 5/16”. *The thickness
of the lip is about half the jaw thickness.

Currently, I have the vise mounted so the lip extends above the plane
of my workbench top. *I have also drilled a set of dog holes opposite
the vise with the thinking that I can use the vise in combination with
dogs to clamp larger pieces to the bench top. *This works OK although
the 5/16” lip doesn’t have all that much of a grab face. *The down
side of this set-up is that if I’m moving pieces around on my bench
and they stick out over the sides, they invariably hit the vise lip
and I mar the piece.

I would like, therefore, to solicit from the collected wisdom of this
group with the following questions:

1. * Have you ever seen a vise like this before? *How was it mounted
relative to the workbench top?

2. * Would you recommend I mount this vise to continue to use the lip
with the dogs or do you feel I should mount it lower to get the lip
out of the way?

3. * If I mount the vise lower, should I retain the current maple jaw
liners or should I make a set that would extend up to the bench top,
perhaps routing away part of the wood so it tucks up against the lip?

4. * Are there any other mounting/use options I have overlooked?

As I said, I got this vise from my dad. *I imagine I could probably
find a better one, but I want to keep this vise (and al the tools I
inherited) as working tools that are part of what I create in my shop.

Thanks for your input,

Bill Leonhardt

I think the vise is worth keeping. I'd wish it had a pop up dog but
it's certainly workable. I would do two things if I was mounting it in
a new bench:

Mount it so the jaw at the bench was in line with the side of the
bench instead of sticking out, and

Cover up the existing lip and put in a thicker piece of wood with one
or two holes for bench dogs of some sort, so I could make it flush
with the bench top when I wasn't using it.

I agree with you, having that lip there constantly would be a royal
pain. But it's too nice a piece of equipment to toss. I'd use a new
wood face to build it up higher, mount it flush with the top and the
side, and use bench dogs in the new wood face. You'd lose a little bit
of jaw opening by having a thicker face, but It would be worth it.

But that's just my first thoughts. There's probably a lot that I'm
forgetting. Like, how deep should the hole for the bench dogs go?
Would I build it so I could push the bench dog in too deep so I'd need
to pound a nail in it to get it out?

*And stuff like that. :-)

Oh, and since the face is much thicker, I'd also make the face quite a
bit longer than the jaw.- Hide quoted text -

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Thanks for your feedback. I did think of making the face thicker to
accommodate dogs but your suggestion of extending the face to the side
has me thinking I could put the dogs to the side of the jaw. Might
rack it though, so I guess I'd better put a dog in the center (above
the screw) in the conventional way.

BTW I'm thinking round dogs would be good since they can rotate to
grab irregularly shapes panels.

Thanks again,

Bill

On Jul 25, 7:54*am, Bill Leonhardt wrote:

Thanks for your feedback. *I did think of making the face thicker to
accommodate dogs but your suggestion of extending the face to the side
has me thinking I could put the dogs to the side of the jaw. *Might
rack it though, so I guess I'd better put a dog in the center (above
the screw) in the conventional way.

BTW I'm thinking round dogs would be good since they can rotate to
grab irregularly shapes panels.

Thanks again,

I use round dogs. Frank Klausz is adamant: SQUARE! An oddly shaped
piece can pop out of the round ones and he does not entertain
arguments about it. I will never tell Frank that I have round dogs in
my bench.

Regarding racking, how old is this vise and how thick are the rails?

Racking is a problem with newer vises because the rails are so thin.
In my experience, older vises were treated much worse and rarely have
racking problems because there's so much metal there you need
hydraulics to bend it.

It's true my experience includes only four older vises and one new one
but it was enough to give me a strong opinion.

However, if you put only one dog dead center of your new fence face,
shouldn't that pretty much eliminate any racking issues?

On Jul 25, 2:16*pm, " wrote:


I use round dogs. Frank Klausz is adamant: SQUARE! An oddly shaped
piece can pop out of the round ones and he does not entertain
arguments about it. I will never tell Frank that I have round dogs in
my bench.


I have enjoyed Frank's presentations and have chatted some with him.
I'm with you; I'll never admit to round dogs. ;-}

Regarding racking, how old is this vise and how thick are the rails?


My earliest memories remember my dad having this vise and I'm in my
60's. So it's old. The patent dates on the face say 1894 &1898. I'm
at work and the vise is home but memory tells me that the rails are at
least 1" dia.


It's true my experience includes only four older vises and one new one
but it was enough to give me a strong opinion.

However, if you put only one dog dead center of your new fence face,
shouldn't that pretty much eliminate any racking issues?

I'm thinking that it's time for me to stop thinking and obsessing over
such things as racking and just get on with building and using the new
bench. :-) As you said, this vise is probably old enough that I
couldn't rack it if I tried.


Thanks again,

Bill

On Jul 24, 8:10*am, Bill Leonhardt wrote:
Dear Rec,

I have posted pictures in ABPW but I hope my verbal description is
enough for thos who can't access it.

I have a 10” wide, quick acting woodworking vise that I got from my
dad. *I currently have it mounted on my workbench, but I am planning a
bench upgrade (better, flatter top) and I want to remount the vise to
give me the maximum benefit of its features.

As you can see in the pictures, I have attached maple the jaw faces.
If you will note, the moving jaw has a lip on the top that extends
full width and stands proud of the top by about 5/16”. *The thickness
of the lip is about half the jaw thickness.

Currently, I have the vise mounted so the lip extends above the plane
of my workbench top. *I have also drilled a set of dog holes opposite
the vise with the thinking that I can use the vise in combination with
dogs to clamp larger pieces to the bench top. *This works OK although
the 5/16” lip doesn’t have all that much of a grab face. *The down
side of this set-up is that if I’m moving pieces around on my bench
and they stick out over the sides, they invariably hit the vise lip
and I mar the piece.

I would like, therefore, to solicit from the collected wisdom of this
group with the following questions:

1. * Have you ever seen a vise like this before? *How was it mounted
relative to the workbench top?

2. * Would you recommend I mount this vise to continue to use the lip
with the dogs or do you feel I should mount it lower to get the lip
out of the way?

3. * If I mount the vise lower, should I retain the current maple jaw
liners or should I make a set that would extend up to the bench top,
perhaps routing away part of the wood so it tucks up against the lip?

4. * Are there any other mounting/use options I have overlooked?

As I said, I got this vise from my dad. *I imagine I could probably
find a better one, but I want to keep this vise (and al the tools I
inherited) as working tools that are part of what I create in my shop.

Thanks for your input,

Bill Leonhardt

I can't see the picture of yours but I bought this from Grizzly
http://www.grizzly.com/products/Cabi...r-s-Vise/H7788

I mounted the bracket under the bench and built up the apron for the
inside jaw

For the outside jaw I glued up a Maple sandwich with Poplar for the
bread. This gave me a forgiving hardwood for the face of the vise and
I drilled the Maple for dogs. No lip above the bench surface and no
metal pop-up dog. When I need to use it for clamping to the bench top
I just shove a dowel in the hole(s) of the outside jaw and one in the
bench. The outside jaw is a little over 2 3/4" thick but I have not
yet needed the extra capacity I lost.