"Jack Stein" wrote in message
A note on the illegal downloads, I was reading somewhere that Comcast has
individual customers that are downloading terabytes of data and one guy
they said was downloading enough stuff in one month it would be equivalent
to 12 years worth of movies...

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In high school kids would use penis size for status. Now it is how many
tunes on the iPod. Some progress in evolution of the species.

"Han" wrote in message
Some people, however, are willing to pay extra for porn and illegal
downloads.

And some people want to see pictures about woodworking, airplanes, and
newsgroups such as bionet.molbio.methds-reagnts,
alt.comp.software.financial.quicken, and what have you, and arte willing
to pay a little extra for those.

And some like me are willing to pay a little extra for the much faster
downloads that many paid news providers offer. Of course, when I am after
some of that porn, faster downloads *are* extremely important. Joking aside,
the longer retention times that paid newsproviders is also an important
aspect. As far as I'm concerned, it's all about convenience. If I could
afford it, I'd probably pay for a direct T1 or T3 line right into my home.

On Sat, 26 Jul 2008 13:25:24 GMT, Han wrote:


I fully agree, but now you are talking really about a download cap.
That's fine, but IMNSHO it should be based on monthly usage, not daily.
There may be days I am intensively downloading things, and then there are
weeks that I download little.

I think I am achieving this with my astraweb subscription. $10 for 25GB.
use until the quota is finished. With the first month at 50 MB, 25 GB
will last a while.

I have the least expensive APN account, $3 a month for 10 gigs..

I'd go with the larger plan, but my friggin' ISP uses the modem to monitor
bandwidth... and if we go over some mysterious limit, we've violated the "Fair
Access Policy" and are throttled down to about dial-up speed for 24 hours..

It's Hughesnet's way of solving the problem of selling too many accounts than
their equipment can handle... Don't add equipment, limit the clients access..

OTOH, at least they have a 3 hour "window" between midnight and 3am where they
don't count d/loads against you..


mac

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On Verizon, they chopped a lot of good groups.

The software groups for MS and Adobe for instance.

Also most of the discussion groups related to schools used by classes.

They said in the email announcing the change that accessing the banned
groups violates their terms of use so a news service is out.

I also lost a model railroad and real railroad geoup as well as LaCrosse and
Wresttling.






"Maxwell Lol" wrote in message
...
Phisherman writes:

The binaries will always be available. All it takes is a few USENET
providors who are willing to charge extra for this service (which
there are) and people who are willing to pay for them (which there are).

But not everyone. Most people are cutting back services due to
housing and energy costs. Plus, many are on fixed income. Usenet is
part of the Internet and I'm not about to start paying extra for it.
Next, they will start charging for email.

People pay for what they want. USENET is cheap if all you want is text.

Some people, however, are willing to pay extra for porn and illegal
downloads.

"Jay R" wrote in
news:WmOik.126$rb5.93@trnddc04:

*snip*


I also lost a model railroad and real railroad geoup as well as
LaCrosse and Wresttling.


Which MRR group?

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"Jay R" wrote in
news:WmOik.126$rb5.93@trnddc04:

On Verizon, they chopped a lot of good groups.

The software groups for MS and Adobe for instance.

You can get them either from MS or Adobe directly, or though a free text
newsserver such as motzarella.

It is annoying that you have to go through another service, but once set
up it is not a big deal.

Also most of the discussion groups related to schools used by classes.

I am not familiar with them, but I think the same holds for such groups.
Can you give an example?

They said in the email announcing the change that accessing the banned
groups violates their terms of use so a news service is out.

I believe they said that partaking in or distributing child porn was
against the TOS. Looking at woodworking or model railroad pictures
cannot be against the TOS.

I also lost a model railroad and real railroad geoup as well as
LaCrosse and Wresttling.

snip

Opinions, opinions ...

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Best regards
Han
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Jay R wrote:
On Verizon, they chopped a lot of good groups.

The software groups for MS and Adobe for instance.

Also most of the discussion groups related to schools used by
classes.

They said in the email announcing the change that accessing the
banned
groups violates their terms of use so a news service is out.

No, that's not what they said. They said "Failure to unsubscribe may
also interfere with the functioning of the Verizon network or use of
the network by other Verizon users, which is a violation of our
Acceptable Use Policy."

Not a word there about accessing servers other than the Verizon
server, just that if you have your reader set up to read groups that
have been dropped from their server they want you to make it quit
trying to read those groups, and that if you don't do that and it
causes problems for their network they may get cross with you, which
is a perfectly reasonable viewpoint.

They also said, in the same letter, "If you would like to subscribe to
newsgroups other than those we offer, you will need to subscribe to a
separate commercial news service."






I also lost a model railroad and real railroad geoup as well as
LaCrosse and Wresttling.






"Maxwell Lol" wrote in message
...
Phisherman writes:

The binaries will always be available. All it takes is a few
USENET
providors who are willing to charge extra for this service (which
there are) and people who are willing to pay for them (which
there
are).

But not everyone. Most people are cutting back services due to
housing and energy costs. Plus, many are on fixed income.
Usenet
is part of the Internet and I'm not about to start paying extra
for
it. Next, they will start charging for email.

People pay for what they want. USENET is cheap if all you want is
text.

Some people, however, are willing to pay extra for porn and illegal
downloads.

--
--
--John
to email, dial "usenet" and validate
(was jclarke at eye bee em dot net)

Han wrote:
"Jay R" wrote in
news:WmOik.126$rb5.93@trnddc04:

On Verizon, they chopped a lot of good groups.

The software groups for MS and Adobe for instance.

You can get them either from MS or Adobe directly, or though a free
text newsserver such as motzarella.

It is annoying that you have to go through another service, but once
set up it is not a big deal.

Also most of the discussion groups related to schools used by
classes.

I am not familiar with them, but I think the same holds for such
groups. Can you give an example?

They said in the email announcing the change that accessing the
banned groups violates their terms of use so a news service is out.

I believe they said that partaking in or distributing child porn was
against the TOS. Looking at woodworking or model railroad pictures
cannot be against the TOS.

They didn't say anything about porn. In any case, partaking in or
distributing child porn is a violation of Federal law, with penalties
amounting to several years in prison, so their TOS really don't make a
rat's ass in that regard.

I also lost a model railroad and real railroad geoup as well as
LaCrosse and Wresttling.

snip

Opinions, opinions ...

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--
--John
to email, dial "usenet" and validate
(was jclarke at eye bee em dot net)

On Sat, 26 Jul 2008 20:49:08 -0400, "J. Clarke" wrote:

They also said, in the same letter, "If you would like to subscribe to
newsgroups other than those we offer, you will need to subscribe to a
separate commercial news service."

Thank you.. that's the first concise, informative version of Verizon's babble so
far..


mac

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