I needed something quick and dirty for my new office, so I was going
to follow a tried and true college trick: two filing cabinets and a
door.
So, I was looking for some cheap filing cabinets, two-drawer style.
Even really cheap crap was $ 50.00, and that was true crap. About as
solid as tinfoil.
Then, I saw this:

Also cheap stuff, but surprisingly sturdy, the finish is not going to
hold up for very long, but $ 99.00 just blows my mind.

http://www.sauder.com/furniture/product.asp?p=692

It would cost me that much just to search out and order the frickin'
handles and genuine drawer tracks....

Now I KNOW there are a bezillion shortcuts in this product and it
would never be trying to fake anybody out, but if I were to built it
the only way I know how, it would be hard to do for under $ 500.00 NOT
including my time.

"Robatoy" wrote in message
...
I needed something quick and dirty for my new office, so I was going
to follow a tried and true college trick: two filing cabinets and a
door.
So, I was looking for some cheap filing cabinets, two-drawer style.
Even really cheap crap was $ 50.00, and that was true crap. About as
solid as tinfoil.
Then, I saw this:

Also cheap stuff, but surprisingly sturdy, the finish is not going to
hold up for very long, but $ 99.00 just blows my mind.

http://www.sauder.com/furniture/product.asp?p=692

It would cost me that much just to search out and order the frickin'
handles and genuine drawer tracks....

Now I KNOW there are a bezillion shortcuts in this product and it
would never be trying to fake anybody out, but if I were to built it
the only way I know how, it would be hard to do for under $ 500.00 NOT
including my time.

That looks exactly like the one I put together for my neighbor a couple of
years ago.
IMHO here is what is wrong. It "is" particle board with a print that looks
like wood. Drawers are much smaller than the holes they reside on.
Hardware is bottom line. Too heavy to ever consider moving to another
office with out mostly disassembling.

Back to you original idea of the door and filing cabinets. Go to a local
"Used" office supply store. I picked up a 5 drawer, legal sized,
"Steelcase" filing cabinet in great condition for $75. My son will one day
inherit this thing.
Apparently letter sized filing cabinets are in more demand and the legal,
larger sized cabinets are less expensive. At least that was what the owner
told me.

Robatoy wrote:

I needed something quick and dirty for my new office, so I was going
to follow a tried and true college trick: two filing cabinets and a
door.
So, I was looking for some cheap filing cabinets, two-drawer style.
Even really cheap crap was $ 50.00, and that was true crap. About as
solid as tinfoil.
Then, I saw this:

Also cheap stuff, but surprisingly sturdy, the finish is not going to
hold up for very long, but $ 99.00 just blows my mind.

http://www.sauder.com/furniture/product.asp?p=692

It would cost me that much just to search out and order the frickin'
handles and genuine drawer tracks....

Now I KNOW there are a bezillion shortcuts in this product and it
would never be trying to fake anybody out, but if I were to built it
the only way I know how, it would be hard to do for under $ 500.00 NOT
including my time.

That link is taking me to an executive desk for $616. Am I missing
something?


--
If you're going to be dumb, you better be tough

On Jun 1, 4:46*pm, Mark & Juanita wrote:
Robatoy wrote:
I needed something quick and dirty for my new office, so I was going
to follow a tried and true college trick: two filing cabinets and a
door.
So, I was looking for some cheap filing cabinets, two-drawer style.
Even really cheap crap was $ 50.00, and that was true crap. About as
solid as tinfoil.
Then, I saw this:

Also cheap stuff, but surprisingly sturdy, the finish is not going to
hold up for very long, but $ 99.00 just blows my mind.

http://www.sauder.com/furniture/product.asp?p=692

It would cost me that much just to search out and order the frickin'
handles and genuine drawer tracks....

Now I KNOW there are a bezillion shortcuts in this product and it
would never be trying to fake anybody out, but if I were to built it
the only way I know how, it would be hard to do for under $ 500.00 NOT
including my time.

* That link is taking me to an executive desk for $616. *Am I missing
something?

I bought that same desk for $ 99.00. That $ 600.00 is just plain
silly.
The one I bought was part# 109643, exactly the same features, but 60"
wide instead of 70. I seem to recall that 'The Suggested List' on mine
was $ 549.00
This store branch brought in 20 of them, gone in one morning. Must be
a loss-leader of some sort.
There it is on page 3.
http://www.teppermans.com/i?page=pro...0X1196329740FE
Either way, it will do what I want for now.
(And talk about 'assembly required'..LOL..not ONE thing attached to
another. Even the handles have to be assembled. Hinges and handles
made in Canada, the rest in the good ol' USofA)

The one that's goofy, is that they don't know the difference between
#2 Phillips and Pozidrive.

Robatoy wrote:

On Jun 1, 4:46Â*pm, Mark & Juanita wrote:
Robatoy wrote:
I needed something quick and dirty for my new office, so I was going
to follow a tried and true college trick: two filing cabinets and a
door.
So, I was looking for some cheap filing cabinets, two-drawer style.
Even really cheap crap was $ 50.00, and that was true crap. About as
solid as tinfoil.
Then, I saw this:

Also cheap stuff, but surprisingly sturdy, the finish is not going to
hold up for very long, but $ 99.00 just blows my mind.

http://www.sauder.com/furniture/product.asp?p=692

It would cost me that much just to search out and order the frickin'
handles and genuine drawer tracks....

Now I KNOW there are a bezillion shortcuts in this product and it
would never be trying to fake anybody out, but if I were to built it
the only way I know how, it would be hard to do for under $ 500.00 NOT
including my time.

That link is taking me to an executive desk for $616. Â*Am I missing
something?

I bought that same desk for $ 99.00. That $ 600.00 is just plain
silly.
The one I bought was part# 109643, exactly the same features, but 60"
wide instead of 70. I seem to recall that 'The Suggested List' on mine
was $ 549.00
This store branch brought in 20 of them, gone in one morning. Must be
a loss-leader of some sort.
There it is on page 3.

OK, that's a good deal, regardless of what you get.

http://www.teppermans.com/i?page=pro...0X1196329740FE
Either way, it will do what I want for now.
(And talk about 'assembly required'..LOL..not ONE thing attached to
another. Even the handles have to be assembled. Hinges and handles
made in Canada, the rest in the good ol' USofA)

Yep, we've bought some of that stuff (not enough time to build
everything). They've done an amazing amount of packaging engineering to
get those things knocked down to the minimum package. Nothing like the
smell of raw MDF in the morning, eh?



The one that's goofy, is that they don't know the difference between
#2 Phillips and Pozidrive.

--
If you're going to be dumb, you better be tough

On Jun 1, 6:56*pm, Mark & Juanita wrote:
Robatoy wrote:
On Jun 1, 4:46*pm, Mark & Juanita wrote:
Robatoy wrote:
I needed something quick and dirty for my new office, so I was going
to follow a tried and true college trick: two filing cabinets and a
door.
So, I was looking for some cheap filing cabinets, two-drawer style.
Even really cheap crap was $ 50.00, and that was true crap. About as
solid as tinfoil.
Then, I saw this:

Also cheap stuff, but surprisingly sturdy, the finish is not going to
hold up for very long, but $ 99.00 just blows my mind.

http://www.sauder.com/furniture/product.asp?p=692

It would cost me that much just to search out and order the frickin'
handles and genuine drawer tracks....

Now I KNOW there are a bezillion shortcuts in this product and it
would never be trying to fake anybody out, but if I were to built it
the only way I know how, it would be hard to do for under $ 500.00 NOT
including my time.

That link is taking me to an executive desk for $616. *Am I missing
something?

I bought that same desk for $ 99.00. That $ 600.00 is just plain
silly.
The one I bought was part# 109643, exactly the same features, but 60"
wide instead of 70. I seem to recall that 'The Suggested List' on mine
was $ 549.00
This store branch brought in 20 of them, gone in one morning. Must be
a loss-leader of some sort.
There it is on page 3.

* OK, that's a good deal, regardless of what you get.

http://www.teppermans.com/i?page=pro...0X1196329740FE
Either way, it will do what I want for now.
(And talk about 'assembly required'..LOL..not ONE thing attached to
another. Even the handles have to be assembled. Hinges and handles
made in Canada, the rest in the good ol' USofA)

* Yep, we've bought some of that stuff (not enough time to build
everything). *They've done an amazing amount of packaging engineering to
get those things knocked down to the minimum package. *Nothing like the
smell of raw MDF in the morning, eh?

Oh yea... open that box and a nice waft of 'WhoReallyKnows' comes out
at you.
I'm sure it's all good.

On Sun, 1 Jun 2008 16:01:27 -0700 (PDT), Robatoy
wrote:

Oh yea... open that box and a nice waft of 'WhoReallyKnows' comes out
at you.

At the bicycle shop, we call that "Chinese Factory Stank"

1 part finish and adhesive fumes banned in the West.
1 part sea container stank
1 part child labor sweat

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On Sun, 1 Jun 2008 12:40:14 -0700 (PDT), Robatoy
wrote:

I needed something quick and dirty for my new office, so I was going
to follow a tried and true college trick: two filing cabinets and a
door.
So, I was looking for some cheap filing cabinets, two-drawer style.
Even really cheap crap was $ 50.00, and that was true crap. About as
solid as tinfoil.
Then, I saw this:

Also cheap stuff, but surprisingly sturdy, the finish is not going to
hold up for very long, but $ 99.00 just blows my mind.

http://www.sauder.com/furniture/product.asp?p=692

It would cost me that much just to search out and order the frickin'
handles and genuine drawer tracks....

Now I KNOW there are a bezillion shortcuts in this product and it
would never be trying to fake anybody out, but if I were to built it
the only way I know how, it would be hard to do for under $ 500.00 NOT
including my time.


I've seen this piece and it's kinda like the girl you picked up at
last call.

Not something that holds up well in the light of day.

Go back to your file cab and door idea. It is what it is.




Regards,

Tom

Thos.J.Watson - Cabinetmaker
tjwatson1ATcomcastDOTnet
www.home.comcast.net/~tjwatson1

On Jun 1, 7:07*pm, B A R R Y wrote:
On Sun, 1 Jun 2008 16:01:27 -0700 (PDT), Robatoy

wrote:

Oh yea... open that box and a nice waft of 'WhoReallyKnows' comes out
at you.

At the bicycle shop, we call that "Chinese Factory Stank"

1 part finish and adhesive fumes banned in the West.
1 part sea container stank
1 part child labor sweat

---------------------------------------------
**http://www.bburke.com/woodworking.html***
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Made in Ohio... does that count? *ducking*

On Jun 1, 7:08*pm, Tom Watson wrote:
On Sun, 1 Jun 2008 12:40:14 -0700 (PDT), Robatoy



wrote:
I needed something quick and dirty for my new office, so I was going
to follow a tried and true college trick: two filing cabinets and a
door.
So, I was looking for some cheap filing cabinets, two-drawer style.
Even really cheap crap was $ 50.00, and that was true crap. About as
solid as tinfoil.
Then, I saw this:

Also cheap stuff, but surprisingly sturdy, the finish is not going to
hold up for very long, but $ 99.00 just blows my mind.

http://www.sauder.com/furniture/product.asp?p=692

It would cost me that much just to search out and order the frickin'
handles and genuine drawer tracks....

Now I KNOW there are a bezillion shortcuts in this product and it
would never be trying to fake anybody out, but if I were to built it
the only way I know how, it would be hard to do for under $ 500.00 NOT
including my time.

I've seen this piece and it's kinda like the girl you picked up at
last call.

Not something that holds up well in the light of day.

Go back to your file cab and door idea. *It is what it is.

Regards,

Tom

Thos.J.Watson - Cabinetmaker
tjwatson1ATcomcastDOTnetwww.home.comcast.net/~tjwatson1

Ah.. a much better sig.

Rich Hall, a comedian, used to make up words. Like a peppier (French
pronunciation) peh-pee-yay. Based on that, I have sometimes dared to
call myself a cabinetier. Kah-bee-net-ee-yay. G

B A R R Y wrote:

On Sun, 1 Jun 2008 16:01:27 -0700 (PDT), Robatoy
wrote:

Oh yea... open that box and a nice waft of 'WhoReallyKnows' comes out
at you.

At the bicycle shop, we call that "Chinese Factory Stank"

1 part finish and adhesive fumes banned in the West.
1 part sea container stank
1 part child labor sweat


plus used motor oil and cat pee

On Sun, 1 Jun 2008 16:18:22 -0700 (PDT), Robatoy
wrote:

Made in Ohio... does that count? *ducking*

It really is?

I'd be very happy to hear that.

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On Sun, 1 Jun 2008 16:23:02 -0700 (PDT), Robatoy
wrote:


Ah.. a much better sig.

Rich Hall, a comedian, used to make up words.

I liked that guy, he invented Sniglets!

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** http://www.bburke.com/woodworking.html **
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On Jun 1, 7:24*pm, Lobby Dosser
wrote:
B A R R Y wrote:

On Sun, 1 Jun 2008 16:01:27 -0700 (PDT), Robatoy
wrote:

Oh yea... open that box and a nice waft of 'WhoReallyKnows' comes out
at you.

At the bicycle shop, we call that "Chinese Factory Stank"

1 part finish and adhesive fumes banned in the West.
1 part sea container stank
1 part child labor sweat

plus used motor oil and cat pee

I have no idea what the Chinese version of bituminous felt is, but
their sound-deadening pads, often found stuck to the bottom of
stainless sinks, stink. I'm starting to think that all of China has to
smell like that.
And yes, Virginia, there *is* a difference between a stainless sink
from China and one from Switzerland. (Those Swiss are now into
blasting the insides of some sinks with glass beads... a finish to
behold.)

On Jun 1, 7:42*pm, B A R R Y wrote:
On Sun, 1 Jun 2008 16:23:02 -0700 (PDT), Robatoy

wrote:

Ah.. a much better sig.

Rich Hall, a comedian, used to make up words.

I liked that guy, he invented Sniglets!

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**http://www.bburke.com/woodworking.html***
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Yea... one of my favourites:
Begathon - n. A multi-day event on public television, used to raise
money so you won't have to watch commercials.

B A R R Y wrote:

On Sun, 1 Jun 2008 16:18:22 -0700 (PDT), Robatoy
wrote:

Made in Ohio... does that count? *ducking*

It really is?

I'd be very happy to hear that.

---------------------------------------------
** http://www.bburke.com/woodworking.html **
---------------------------------------------

From their web page:
"Headquartered in Archbold, Ohio, Sauder Woodworking Co. is North Americas
leading producer of RTA furniture and the nations fifth largest
residential furniture manufacturer. Sauder also sources furniture from a
network of quality global partners and ships product to more than 70
countries. In 2007, Sauder Woodworking acquired a line of office chairs
that complement its residential and light commercial office furniture"

So, some of their stuff is domestic, some foreign.



--
If you're going to be dumb, you better be tough

Robatoy wrote:

On Jun 1, 7:42Â*pm, B A R R Y wrote:
On Sun, 1 Jun 2008 16:23:02 -0700 (PDT), Robatoy

wrote:

Ah.. a much better sig.

Rich Hall, a comedian, used to make up words.

I liked that guy, he invented Sniglets!

---------------------------------------------
**http://www.bburke.com/woodworking.htmlÂ***
---------------------------------------------

Yea... one of my favourites:
Begathon - n. A multi-day event on public television, used to raise
money so you won't have to watch commercials.

My favorite: Esso-Asso: The guy who drives through the corner gas station
in order to avoid the traffic light.



--
If you're going to be dumb, you better be tough

Now if it was something I planned on keeping forever I'd not use it, but for
all the years I spent moving around in the Air Force Sauder makes a good
product. That is qualified by the fact expecting government paid movers to
treat your quality wood furniture with respect is like believing in the
Easter Bunny. Of the Ready to Assemble Sauder gets high marks.

--
Mike
Watch for the bounce.
If ya didn't see it, ya didn't feel it.
If ya see it, it didn't go off.
Old Air Force Munitions Saying
IYAAYAS
"Robatoy" wrote in message
...
I needed something quick and dirty for my new office, so I was going
to follow a tried and true college trick: two filing cabinets and a
door.
So, I was looking for some cheap filing cabinets, two-drawer style.
Even really cheap crap was $ 50.00, and that was true crap. About as
solid as tinfoil.
Then, I saw this:

Also cheap stuff, but surprisingly sturdy, the finish is not going to
hold up for very long, but $ 99.00 just blows my mind.

http://www.sauder.com/furniture/product.asp?p=692

It would cost me that much just to search out and order the frickin'
handles and genuine drawer tracks....

Now I KNOW there are a bezillion shortcuts in this product and it
would never be trying to fake anybody out, but if I were to built it
the only way I know how, it would be hard to do for under $ 500.00 NOT
including my time.

"Robatoy" wrote

I have no idea what the Chinese version of bituminous felt is, but
their sound-deadening pads, often found stuck to the bottom of
stainless sinks, stink. I'm starting to think that all of China has to
smell like that.

Three years ago I put Made In China "solid rubber" tires, from HF, on a hand
truck from Sam's because I got tired of constantly having to inflate them
whenever I went to use the damn thing.

To this day the stink coming off those "solid rubber" tires is hard to
believe. You'd think that after three years the smell would at least
dissipate a bit ... not a chance.

--
www.e-woodshop.net
Last update: 5/14/08
KarlC@ (the obvious)

On Sun, 1 Jun 2008 12:40:14 -0700 (PDT), Robatoy
wrote:

I needed something quick and dirty for my new office, so I was going
to follow a tried and true college trick: two filing cabinets and a
door.
So, I was looking for some cheap filing cabinets, two-drawer style.
Even really cheap crap was $ 50.00, and that was true crap. About as
solid as tinfoil.
Then, I saw this:

Also cheap stuff, but surprisingly sturdy, the finish is not going to
hold up for very long, but $ 99.00 just blows my mind.

http://www.sauder.com/furniture/product.asp?p=692

It would cost me that much just to search out and order the frickin'
handles and genuine drawer tracks....

Now I KNOW there are a bezillion shortcuts in this product and it
would never be trying to fake anybody out, but if I were to built it
the only way I know how, it would be hard to do for under $ 500.00 NOT
including my time.


That stuff looks good,(from a distance) but my back can't stand the
moves compared to furniture that I make. Too heavy with the paper
covered particle board.

still have a couple of pieces of that "early marriage" furniture made
the same way. I think when I sell the house they get to stay to
anchor it from any impending tornadoes or hurricanes.

Frank

On Jun 1, 8:03*pm, Mark & Juanita wrote:
B A R R Y wrote:

On Sun, 1 Jun 2008 16:18:22 -0700 (PDT), Robatoy
wrote:

Made in Ohio... does that count? **ducking*

It really is?

I'd be very happy to hear that.

---------------------------------------------
**http://www.bburke.com/woodworking.html***
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* From their web page:
"Headquartered in Archbold, Ohio, Sauder Woodworking Co. is North America’s
leading producer of RTA furniture and the nation’s fifth largest
residential furniture manufacturer. Sauder also sources furniture from a
network of quality global partners and ships product to more than 70
countries. In 2007, Sauder Woodworking acquired a line of office chairs
that complement its residential and light commercial office furniture"

* So, some of their stuff is domestic, some foreign.

--
If you're going to be dumb, you better be tough

The drawer tracks came from China, the handles from Canada, the hinges
from Italy, and I have NO idea where the slabs came from... but I'm
curious.

A few years back I purchased some file cabinets in a box that you
assemble with camlocks. actually quite durable except for the glides.
but anyway on the box it said oak finish, which can mean anything, so I
start unpacking the stuff and notice it has black ash veneer on top of
some kinda **** board. The funny thing is today the black ash veneer log
export market is very small, only myself and another company in Wis.
still shipping most of the logs into Asia, so there is a real good
chance those cabinets started here at my place in the form of a log
went to Asia and came back here. talk about small world and going full
cycle.
Ross
www.highislandexport.com

On Jun 2, 10:50*am, (Ross Hebeisen) wrote:
A few years back I purchased some file cabinets in a box that you
assemble with camlocks. actually quite durable except for the glides.
but anyway on the box it said oak finish, which can mean anything, so I
start unpacking the stuff and notice it has black ash veneer on top of
some kinda **** board. The funny thing is today the black ash veneer log
export market is very small, only myself and another company in Wis.
still shipping most of the logs into Asia, so there is a real good
chance those cabinets started here at my place in the form of a log
went to Asia and came back here. talk about small world and going full
cycle.
Rosswww.highislandexport.com

Are you having any issues with ash-borers (beetles) where you are,
Ross?
Here we can't even sell ash for firewood.

So far the emrald ash boer is not here, I think maybe eastern Wis. is as
close as it has come so far. However our ash trees are dying across
northern Minnesota and I have had issues with the Dept of Ag. phyto
sanitary inspections finding a eastern bark beetle in my logs and I
beleive this is whats killing them off, but the state DNR refuses to
recognize this this issue insisting the trees are suffering from
drought. by the time the ash boer gets here the ash will be done for.
I've talked to the state DNR bioligist about it but he didn't really
have the time for the idea, I'm not real sure what he does for a living,
of course he is in government
and they do not require much.
ross

"Robatoy" wrote in message
...
On Jun 1, 8:03 pm, Mark & Juanita wrote:
B A R R Y wrote:

On Sun, 1 Jun 2008 16:18:22 -0700 (PDT), Robatoy
wrote:

Made in Ohio... does that count? *ducking*

It really is?

I'd be very happy to hear that.

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**http://www.bburke.com/woodworking.html **
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From their web page:
"Headquartered in Archbold, Ohio, Sauder Woodworking Co. is North America’s
leading producer of RTA furniture and the nation’s fifth largest
residential furniture manufacturer. Sauder also sources furniture from a
network of quality global partners and ships product to more than 70
countries. In 2007, Sauder Woodworking acquired a line of office chairs
that complement its residential and light commercial office furniture"

So, some of their stuff is domestic, some foreign.

--
If you're going to be dumb, you better be tough

The drawer tracks came from China, the handles from Canada, the hinges
from Italy, and I have NO idea where the slabs came from... but I'm
curious.

I just retired from Sauder after 32 years. They have some fantastic
macinery in there. Slabs (particle board) comes from US mills and Canada,
the best particle board came from a plant in the South we called Monclure or
something like that. Most of all the hardware originally ordered from a
place in Adrian, MI and then was sent overseas.

(Ross Hebeisen) wrote:

A few years back I purchased some file cabinets in a box that you
assemble with camlocks. actually quite durable except for the glides.
but anyway on the box it said oak finish, which can mean anything, so
I start unpacking the stuff and notice it has black ash veneer on top
of some kinda **** board. The funny thing is today the black ash
veneer log export market is very small, only myself and another
company in Wis. still shipping most of the logs into Asia, so there is
a real good chance those cabinets started here at my place in the form
of a log went to Asia and came back here. talk about small world and
going full cycle.
Ross
www.highislandexport.com



Have to wonder if some of the jobs will come back here as the price of
shipping tracks the price of fuel. How affordable would any of this stuff
be with a couple round the world cruises on the tab?

I know container freight for a load of logs has gone from $1500. a year
ago to $3000. today thats Minnesota to Taiwan
ross

On Tue, 03 Jun 2008 22:09:54 GMT, Lobby Dosser
wrote:


Have to wonder if some of the jobs will come back here as the price of
shipping tracks the price of fuel. How affordable would any of this stuff
be with a couple round the world cruises on the tab?


I've actually had those same thoughts...

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Also cheap stuff, but surprisingly sturdy, the finish is not going to
hold up for very long, but $ 99.00 just blows my mind.

How about a sheet of 3/4" ply and concrete blocks? You can still use
the ply and blocks for something else, until you can buy. Also, most
cities have sales for excess used furniture (usually from hotels or
closed businesses) you can buy very cheap. I've seen file cabinets
for $10, desks for $35, chairs for $20. You can't even buy raw
materials for that price.