My new Steel City arrived and I was unpacking it and noted that the
packing crate (NOT a welded steel frame like shown on a woodworking
web site but rather plywood) had taken a hit somewhere along the
line.

Further investigation revealed the cabinet was unharmed but the motor
fan cover was smashed up against the fan and the door latch was
completely destroyed.

Sad, but I am sure I will get replacements from the vendor.

My question is this: should I demand a new motor? The fan cover
obviously took a major hit, to the point where the cover conforms to
the fan blades (!). I am wondering if the bearings in the motor could
have been damaged by the impact. Maybe not noticeable now, but five
years down the road when my warranty runs out I go to fire up the saw
and the bearings seize.

My only concerns with the new motor are mounting and aligning it.
Sucker looks a bit heavy

TIA

D'ohBoy

"D'ohBoy" wrote in message
...
My new Steel City arrived and I was unpacking it and noted that the
packing crate (NOT a welded steel frame like shown on a woodworking
web site but rather plywood) had taken a hit somewhere along the
line.

Further investigation revealed the cabinet was unharmed but the motor
fan cover was smashed up against the fan and the door latch was
completely destroyed.

Sad, but I am sure I will get replacements from the vendor.

My question is this: should I demand a new motor? The fan cover
obviously took a major hit, to the point where the cover conforms to
the fan blades (!). I am wondering if the bearings in the motor could
have been damaged by the impact. Maybe not noticeable now, but five
years down the road when my warranty runs out I go to fire up the saw
and the bearings seize.

My only concerns with the new motor are mounting and aligning it.
Sucker looks a bit heavy

TIA

D'ohBoy

Hopefully you bought with a credit card. With that much damage, I would
demand either a complete replacement or a refund.

On May 12, 8:37*am, "D'ohBoy" wrote:
My new Steel City arrived and I was unpacking it and noted that the
packing crate (NOT a welded steel frame like shown on a woodworking
web site but rather plywood) had taken a hit somewhere along the
line.

Further investigation revealed the cabinet was unharmed but the motor
fan cover was smashed up against the fan and the door latch was
completely destroyed.

Sad, but I am sure I will get replacements from the vendor.

My question is this: *should I demand a new motor? *The fan cover
obviously took a major hit, to the point where the cover conforms to
the fan blades (!). *I am wondering if the bearings in the motor could
have been damaged by the impact. *Maybe not noticeable now, but five
years down the road when my warranty runs out I go to fire up the saw
and the bearings seize.

My only concerns with the new motor are mounting and aligning it.
Sucker looks a bit heavy

TIA

D'ohBoy

I agree with Leon. You don't want that saw. I don't know that saw, but
how much of the hit did the rest of the cast iron (trunnion) take?
Cast iron is funny stuff when it comes to hairline cracks.

On May 12, 7:58 am, Robatoy wrote:

SNIP

I agree with Leon. You don't want that saw. I don't know that saw, but
how much of the hit did the rest of the cast iron (trunnion) take?
Cast iron is funny stuff when it comes to hairline cracks.

And I agree with Leon and Rob both. My first concern would be the
very possibility of cracks in the Chinese castings that are not
apparent now, and the possibility that other damage could be hidden.
After all, you don't know how that hard shot to the packing occurred,
but if you think about it, it would take a pretty good hit to cause
the damage you are describing through the plywood packing.

Besides, for whatever it was you spent on this big ticket item, do you
want to wonder if you did the right thing about this incident if the
saw starts to act funny or something major breaks in a year or two?

ANYTHING that EVER went wrong with this saw I would tie back to this
damage for the rest of the time I owned it.

It would be new saw time for me.

Robert

On May 12, 10:07 am, "
wrote:
On May 12, 7:58 am, Robatoy wrote:

SNIP

I agree with Leon. You don't want that saw. I don't know that saw, but
how much of the hit did the rest of the cast iron (trunnion) take?
Cast iron is funny stuff when it comes to hairline cracks.

And I agree with Leon and Rob both. My first concern would be the
very possibility of cracks in the Chinese castings that are not
apparent now, and the possibility that other damage could be hidden.
After all, you don't know how that hard shot to the packing occurred,
but if you think about it, it would take a pretty good hit to cause
the damage you are describing through the plywood packing.

Besides, for whatever it was you spent on this big ticket item, do you
want to wonder if you did the right thing about this incident if the
saw starts to act funny or something major breaks in a year or two?

ANYTHING that EVER went wrong with this saw I would tie back to this
damage for the rest of the time I owned it.

It would be new saw time for me.

Robert

Yah, yah. Toolking is going to replace the whole saw.

Thanks to all!

D'ohBoy

Actually the best thing is to refuse delivery before it gets off the truck.
When the new one arrives, before you unload it, inspect the crate for
visible damage, and refuse delivery it there is anything other than
cosmetic. The truck driver will be furious, but he will take it back.

I was a "receiver" who accepted deliveries for an office building early in
my working life, and rejected many deliveries or refused to sign for
deliveries that were damaged. One truck driver took great pleasure in
tossing cartons at me (I was only a teenager) from the truck. I got hit by
the corner of a carton of glassware and it fell with the sound of broken
glass. The next one he aimed at me I stepped aside and let it hit the wall
with more sound of broken glass. I told him I was not catching any more and
not signing for the broken cartons. He quickly became nicer and I never had
trouble with him on later shipments.

wrote in message
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On May 12, 7:58 am, Robatoy wrote:

SNIP

I agree with Leon. You don't want that saw. I don't know that saw, but
how much of the hit did the rest of the cast iron (trunnion) take?
Cast iron is funny stuff when it comes to hairline cracks.

And I agree with Leon and Rob both. My first concern would be the
very possibility of cracks in the Chinese castings that are not
apparent now, and the possibility that other damage could be hidden.
After all, you don't know how that hard shot to the packing occurred,
but if you think about it, it would take a pretty good hit to cause
the damage you are describing through the plywood packing.

Besides, for whatever it was you spent on this big ticket item, do you
want to wonder if you did the right thing about this incident if the
saw starts to act funny or something major breaks in a year or two?

ANYTHING that EVER went wrong with this saw I would tie back to this
damage for the rest of the time I owned it.

It would be new saw time for me.

Robert

On May 12, 10:35 am, "EXT" wrote:
Actually the best thing is to refuse delivery before it gets off the truck.
When the new one arrives, before you unload it, inspect the crate for
visible damage, and refuse delivery it there is anything other than
cosmetic. The truck driver will be furious, but he will take it back.

I was a "receiver" who accepted deliveries for an office building early in
my working life, and rejected many deliveries or refused to sign for
deliveries that were damaged. One truck driver took great pleasure in
tossing cartons at me (I was only a teenager) from the truck. I got hit by
the corner of a carton of glassware and it fell with the sound of broken
glass. The next one he aimed at me I stepped aside and let it hit the wall
with more sound of broken glass. I told him I was not catching any more and
not signing for the broken cartons. He quickly became nicer and I never had
trouble with him on later shipments.

wrote in message

...

On May 12, 7:58 am, Robatoy wrote:

SNIP

I agree with Leon. You don't want that saw. I don't know that saw, but
how much of the hit did the rest of the cast iron (trunnion) take?
Cast iron is funny stuff when it comes to hairline cracks.

And I agree with Leon and Rob both. My first concern would be the
very possibility of cracks in the Chinese castings that are not
apparent now, and the possibility that other damage could be hidden.
After all, you don't know how that hard shot to the packing occurred,
but if you think about it, it would take a pretty good hit to cause
the damage you are describing through the plywood packing.

Besides, for whatever it was you spent on this big ticket item, do you
want to wonder if you did the right thing about this incident if the
saw starts to act funny or something major breaks in a year or two?

ANYTHING that EVER went wrong with this saw I would tie back to this
damage for the rest of the time I owned it.

It would be new saw time for me.

Robert

There was only slight damage to the carton. Remove the cardboard and
oh my.

OOPS delivery guy says on his way out: "I seen em much worse than
this. It'll be fine." Famous last words.

D'ohBoy

On May 12, 7:37*am, "D'ohBoy" wrote:
My new Steel City arrived and I was unpacking it and noted that the
packing crate (NOT a welded steel frame like shown on a woodworking
web site but rather plywood) had taken a hit somewhere along the
line.

Further investigation revealed the cabinet was unharmed but the motor
fan cover was smashed up against the fan and the door latch was
completely destroyed.

Sad, but I am sure I will get replacements from the vendor.

My question is this: *should I demand a new motor? *The fan cover
obviously took a major hit, to the point where the cover conforms to
the fan blades (!). *I am wondering if the bearings in the motor could
have been damaged by the impact. *Maybe not noticeable now, but five
years down the road when my warranty runs out I go to fire up the saw
and the bearings seize.

My only concerns with the new motor are mounting and aligning it.
Sucker looks a bit heavy

TIA

D'ohBoy

Demand a new saw, thats to much money to take chances on....

Randy
http://nokeswoodworks.com

On Mon, 12 May 2008 08:12:08 -0700 (PDT), "D'ohBoy" wrote:

Yah, yah. Toolking is going to replace the whole saw.

Thanks to all!

D'ohBoy

BTDT... You KNOW that you should return it, but you'd LOVE to keep it to play
with NOW.. ;-]

Congrats on making the wiser choice...


mac

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On May 12, 6:46 pm, mac davis wrote:
On Mon, 12 May 2008 08:12:08 -0700 (PDT), "D'ohBoy" wrote:
Yah, yah. Toolking is going to replace the whole saw.

Thanks to all!

D'ohBoy

BTDT... You KNOW that you should return it, but you'd LOVE to keep it to play
with NOW.. ;-]

Congrats on making the wiser choice...

mac

Please remove splinters before emailing

Turns out they didn't have another one. Probably a good thing because
I think I ended up getting the saw I (think I) really wanted. We'll
see how things work out. Got the Steel City 'Hybrid' 3 hp Granite
topped unit. Left tilt which I felt I was compromising on with the
saw they destroyed in shipping but everything else on it was so
right....

Anyhoo, now I have to get it into the basement. I have a logistical
issue, namely that I most likely cannot find help. Obviously, the
main table comes off easy and weighs a sh**-ton as my coworker likes
to say. The whole saw is about 535 lbs even with the lighter weight
trunnions. But I would guess I am still left with at least 250 lbs (3
hp motor, trunnions and sheet steel cabinet). My hand cart is rated
to 600lbs by Menards. Hmmm..... Bump it down the stairs on the hand
cart? I slid down the stairs in front of my Rikon band saw in the box
(bout 275 lbs, IIRC).

Anyone ever pull the motor from their 3hp saw? I bet that sucker is
heavy. I bet getting it out is a pain, but would also wager getting
it back in is even worse. It may be necessary, though, to remove the
motor for the margin of safety I desire for myself AND my new saw.

Any useful advice would be appreciated!

D'ohBoy

Why not look in the papers or the phone book for guys that do odd jobs ? It
may cost you a few bucks but then you can watch them do all the heavy stuff
and your back will thank you.
Jim
"D'ohBoy" wrote in message
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On May 12, 6:46 pm, mac davis wrote:
On Mon, 12 May 2008 08:12:08 -0700 (PDT), "D'ohBoy"
wrote:
Yah, yah. Toolking is going to replace the whole saw.

Thanks to all!

D'ohBoy

BTDT... You KNOW that you should return it, but you'd LOVE to keep it to
play
with NOW.. ;-]

Congrats on making the wiser choice...

mac

Please remove splinters before emailing

Turns out they didn't have another one. Probably a good thing because
I think I ended up getting the saw I (think I) really wanted. We'll
see how things work out. Got the Steel City 'Hybrid' 3 hp Granite
topped unit. Left tilt which I felt I was compromising on with the
saw they destroyed in shipping but everything else on it was so
right....

Anyhoo, now I have to get it into the basement. I have a logistical
issue, namely that I most likely cannot find help. Obviously, the
main table comes off easy and weighs a sh**-ton as my coworker likes
to say. The whole saw is about 535 lbs even with the lighter weight
trunnions. But I would guess I am still left with at least 250 lbs (3
hp motor, trunnions and sheet steel cabinet). My hand cart is rated
to 600lbs by Menards. Hmmm..... Bump it down the stairs on the hand
cart? I slid down the stairs in front of my Rikon band saw in the box
(bout 275 lbs, IIRC).

Anyone ever pull the motor from their 3hp saw? I bet that sucker is
heavy. I bet getting it out is a pain, but would also wager getting
it back in is even worse. It may be necessary, though, to remove the
motor for the margin of safety I desire for myself AND my new saw.

Any useful advice would be appreciated!

D'ohBoy

On Sat, 07 Jun 2008 00:32:10 GMT, "Jim Northey"
wrote:


Why not look in the papers or the phone book for guys that do odd jobs ? It
may cost you a few bucks but then you can watch them do all the heavy stuff
and your back will thank you.


Along with that, there's the "Labor Ready" places.

A pal of mine gets guys from them to unload containers. When the
truck shows up, he only gets 2 hours to unload a 53' container.
Instead of having extra guys around all the time, he arranges for
temporary help fro Labor Ready. They take care of taxes, etc...

I've hired them at times for landscaping, and it's worked out well.

If all else fails, many smaller moving companies have guys who would
be happy to pick up a quickie to fill in the end of a day.


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this reminds me of when I got my unisaw a couple years ago. thought I was
going to bust a gut but I moved it myself(I'm a very large guy). do what the
other guys say hire someone to help.

len

On Fri, 6 Jun 2008 17:10:50 -0700 (PDT), "D'ohBoy" wrote:


Anyhoo, now I have to get it into the basement. I have a logistical
issue, namely that I most likely cannot find help. Obviously, the
main table comes off easy and weighs a sh**-ton as my coworker likes
to say. The whole saw is about 535 lbs even with the lighter weight
trunnions. But I would guess I am still left with at least 250 lbs (3
hp motor, trunnions and sheet steel cabinet). My hand cart is rated
to 600lbs by Menards. Hmmm..... Bump it down the stairs on the hand
cart? I slid down the stairs in front of my Rikon band saw in the box
(bout 275 lbs, IIRC).

Anyone ever pull the motor from their 3hp saw? I bet that sucker is
heavy. I bet getting it out is a pain, but would also wager getting
it back in is even worse. It may be necessary, though, to remove the
motor for the margin of safety I desire for myself AND my new saw.

Any useful advice would be appreciated!

D'ohBoy


When the going gets tough, the smart hire help... ;-]

Even if it costs $50 or more, what's your body and the saw worth to you?
By the time you rent a REAL furniture dolly that does stairs, and borrow or rent
some kind of locking winch or something to keep it from getting away from you,
it might be cheaper to hire help..

I'd probably make a deal kind of like "$50 to get it in the basement, $75 if
their are no scratches or dents on the saw or stairway"... YMWV


mac

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