Aside from the typical widths of styles and rails used for cabinet
doors, is there any width limit beyond which the coped glue joint will
crack when the rail expands? Is this any better with mortice and tenon
frames? How do they make the wide rails used in passage and entrance
doors stay put?

Thanks very much.

TLE

I don't if there is a "limit", but there are no
promises when using wood.

I have seen brand new factory doors split.

You don't know how well the wood was dried,
you don't know when the door was finished
and you don't know if the glue was any good.

M&T will probably last a while longer but
if there are any of the above problems, it
will fail.

The entry way doors you mention are often
dowelled, but some are using a "cope joint"
with a M&T just for good measure.

I have seen "many" joint seperations in
entry way doors, but the sooner the door
is finished, the better the door will last.

The entry door guys are using VERY carefully
dried material to build with. This is often
not the case with the weekend warriors.


wrote:

Aside from the typical widths of styles and rails used for cabinet
doors, is there any width limit beyond which the coped glue joint will
crack when the rail expands? Is this any better with mortice and tenon
frames? How do they make the wide rails used in passage and entrance
doors stay put?

Thanks very much.

TLE

On 2 Apr, 21:36, Pat Barber wrote:
I don't if there is a "limit", but there are no
promises when using wood.

I have seen brand new factorydoorssplit.

You don't know how well the wood was dried,
you don't know when the door was finished
and you don't know if the glue was any good.

M&T will probably last a while longer but
if there are any of the above problems, it
will fail.

The entry waydoorsyou mention are often
dowelled, but some are using a "cope joint"
with a M&T just for good measure.

I have seen "many" joint seperations in
entry waydoors, but the sooner the door
is finished, the better the door will last.

The entry door guys are using VERY carefully
dried material to build with. This is often
not the case with the weekend warriors.

wrote:
Aside from the typical widths of styles and rails used for cabinet
doors, is there any width limit beyond which the coped glue joint will
crack when the rail expands? Is this any better with mortice and tenon
frames? How do they make the wide rails used in passage and entrance
doorsstay put?

Thanks very much.

TLE

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On 2 Apr, 21:36, Pat Barber wrote:
I don't if there is a "limit", but there are no
promises when using wood.

I have seen brand new factorydoorssplit.

You don't know how well the wood was dried,
you don't know when the door was finished
and you don't know if the glue was any good.

M&T will probably last a while longer but
if there are any of the above problems, it
will fail.

The entry waydoorsyou mention are often
dowelled, but some are using a "cope joint"
with a M&T just for good measure.

I have seen "many" joint seperations in
entry waydoors, but the sooner the door
is finished, the better the door will last.

The entry door guys are using VERY carefully
dried material to build with. This is often
not the case with the weekend warriors.

wrote:
Aside from the typical widths of styles and rails used for cabinet
doors, is there any width limit beyond which the coped glue joint will
crack when the rail expands? Is this any better with mortice and tenon
frames? How do they make the wide rails used in passage and entrance
doorsstay put?

Thanks very much.

TLE

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doors, PVC doors, bifolding doors, sliding doors, doors stable
doors, bi fold doors, uPVC french doors, sliding doors, GRP composite
doors, entrance doors, front doors, residential doors, concertina
doors, front and back doors buy online in UK via Imperial Door which
is specialist of door supplier and manufacturer (home, residential
and
office).
we also offer decorative doors, modern doors, black composite doors,
black uPVC doors, white uPVC doors and wide range of uPVC doors,
composite doors, french doors, bifolding doors, PVC doors...etc.
If you want to buy then please contact us.

http://www.compositedoors.com/

wrote in message
...
Aside from the typical widths of styles and rails used for cabinet
doors, is there any width limit beyond which the coped glue joint will
crack when the rail expands?

I have never seen that happen. PVA glue allows some creeping and I have seen
loads of cabinet doors where the rail has just shrunk a bit, you can feel or
see the movement along the top and bottom of the door.

Is this any better with mortice and tenon
frames? How do they make the wide rails used in passage and entrance
doors stay put?

In this part of the world traditionally a double tenon would be used
on a wide rail. That is one tenon above the other, in line. Traditionally
the mortice and tenon would not necessarily have been glued but either
pegged or wedged and if it was glued the traditional glues were a bit crap.

Tim w

wrote in message
...
Aside from the typical widths of styles and rails used for cabinet
doors, is there any width limit beyond which the coped glue joint will
crack when the rail expands?

I have never seen that happen. PVA glue allows some creeping and I have seen
loads of cabinet doors where the rail has just shrunk a bit, you can feel or
see the movement along the top and bottom of the door.

Is this any better with mortice and tenon
frames? How do they make the wide rails used in passage and entrance
doors stay put?

In this part of the world traditionally a double tenon would always be used
on a wide rail. That is one tenon above the other, in line. Traditionally
the mortice and tenon would not necessarily have been glued but either
pegged or wedged and if it was glued the traditional glues were a bit crap.

Tim w

wrote in message
...
Aside from the typical widths of styles and rails used for cabinet
doors, is there any width limit beyond which the coped glue joint will
crack when the rail expands? Is this any better with mortice and tenon
frames? How do they make the wide rails used in passage and entrance
doors stay put?

Thanks very much.

TLE

Typically if you apply a finish to all the surfaces there should not be
enough movement to be of any worry. I have never really worried about that
and have never had a failure, in 30 years.

On Apr 3, 12:47 am, "Leon" wrote:
wrote in message

...

Aside from the typical widths of styles and rails used for cabinet
doors, is there any width limit beyond which the coped glue joint will
crack when the rail expands? Is this any better with mortice and tenon
frames? How do they make the wide rails used in passage and entrance
doorsstay put?

Thanks very much.

TLE

Typically if you apply a finish to all the surfaces there should not be
enough movement to be of any worry. I have never really worried about that
and have never had a failure, in 30 years.

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On Apr 3, 12:47 am, "Leon" wrote:
wrote in message

...

Aside from the typical widths of styles and rails used for cabinet
doors, is there any width limit beyond which the coped glue joint will
crack when the rail expands? Is this any better with mortice and tenon
frames? How do they make the wide rails used in passage and entrance
doorsstay put?

Thanks very much.

TLE

Typically if you apply a finish to all the surfaces there should not be
enough movement to be of any worry. I have never really worried about that
and have never had a failure, in 30 years.

An Imperial Door also a leading supplier of bifolding doors in UK.
Bifolding doors are also known as bi fold doors, bifold doors,
concertina doors, folding doors and sliding doors. Our comprehensive
range of bifolding doors includes bifold french doors, sliding bifold
doors, bi fold french doors, wood bifold french doors, concertina
doors, interior concertina doors, concertina plastic doors, sliding
and folding closet doors, folding french doors, folding bedroom doors,
sliding glass doors, sliding french doors, automatic sliding doors,
sliding exterior doors, modern sliding doors, diy sliding doors,
electric sliding doors, sliding wood doors, bifolding french doors,
residential bifolding doors, uPVC bifolding doors, wood bifolding
doors, outside bifolding doors…etc.

we also offer decorative doors, modern doors, black composite doors,
black uPVC doors, white uPVC doors and wide range of uPVC doors,
composite doors, french doors, bifolding doors, PVC doors...etc.

If you want to buy then please contact us.
http://www.compositedoors.com/