Can a bit set for making cabinet doors be used to make full size 1.5" thick
80" tall) panel doors. What are some tips on making full size doors? Thanks

Is your question, "can I use router bits instead of shaper bits to make
1 1/2" panel doors"? I've not seen any router bits for rails and stiles
that cover 1.5", but maybe they are out there somewhere. Sounds like a
shaper kinda task.

Dave

habbi wrote:

Can a bit set for making cabinet doors be used to make full size 1.5" thick
80" tall) panel doors. What are some tips on making full size doors? Thanks

A 1.5" thick door is basically 2 3/4" cupboard doors back to back. Couldn't
you just do one side of all the styles and rails and then flip them over and
do the other? And the same for the raised panels?

"David" wrote in message
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Is your question, "can I use router bits instead of shaper bits to make
1 1/2" panel doors"? I've not seen any router bits for rails and stiles
that cover 1.5", but maybe they are out there somewhere. Sounds like a
shaper kinda task.

Dave

habbi wrote:

Can a bit set for making cabinet doors be used to make full size 1.5"
thick
80" tall) panel doors. What are some tips on making full size doors?
Thanks

No! Think where the groove is, for one thing. Think about the scale of
the profile on a kitchen cabinet with a rail/stile about 2-1/2" wide, vs
the width of rails on a door.

Dave

habbi wrote:

A 1.5" thick door is basically 2 3/4" cupboard doors back to back. Couldn't
you just do one side of all the styles and rails and then flip them over and
do the other? And the same for the raised panels?

"David" wrote in message
...

Is your question, "can I use router bits instead of shaper bits to make
1 1/2" panel doors"? I've not seen any router bits for rails and stiles
that cover 1.5", but maybe they are out there somewhere. Sounds like a
shaper kinda task.

Dave

habbi wrote:


Can a bit set for making cabinet doors be used to make full size 1.5"

thick

80" tall) panel doors. What are some tips on making full size doors?

Thanks

CMT makes a door set for the router. Works great.
Check with your local CMT vendor.
Dave

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Would they be the easiest way to build doors. What is the common home method
to build 6 panel doors with no shaper?

"Teamcasa" wrote in message
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CMT makes a door set for the router. Works great.
Check with your local CMT vendor.
Dave

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David wrote:
Is your question, "can I use router bits instead of shaper bits to make
1 1/2" panel doors"? I've not seen any router bits for rails and stiles
that cover 1.5", but maybe they are out there somewhere. Sounds like a
shaper kinda task.

Dave

MLCS has passage and entry door router bit sets. Check about 2/3 of the
page down at:

http://www.mlcswoodworking.com/shops.../bt_stack.html

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habbi wrote:
Can a bit set for making cabinet doors be used to make full size 1.5"
thick 80" tall) panel doors. What are some tips on making full size
doors? Thanks

Sure. And all the passage doors in my house prove it.

Depends a bit on the geometry of the bit though. And do some figuring
as to how the bits are going to effect things; for example, you will
probably need to plan on a 1/2" tongue on the panels.

One thing you *can't* do (IMO) is to expect gluing the coping to hold
the rails and stiles together...need more glue surface and a mechanical
joining as well. In my case, I used loose tenons 1/2" x 2 1/2" x 5"-
half the length in the rail, half in the stile.

Tips? keep things square, keep them flat and finsh as much as possible
before joining.

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habbi wrote:
A 1.5" thick door is basically 2 3/4" cupboard doors back to back.
Couldn't you just do one side of all the styles and rails and then
flip them over and do the other? And the same for the raised panels?

Sure can. To both.

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I've built many large doors using several methods , ...
I'd suggest starting with square edged stock, using mortise and tenon
joinery and then apply the sticking (which can easily be made on a
router table) and panels later after the door has been glued up.
just my 2 cents
Lenny

On Fri, 08 Apr 2005 23:55:42 GMT, "habbi"
wrote:

Would they be the easiest way to build doors. What is the common home method
to build 6 panel doors with no shaper?

"Teamcasa" wrote in message
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CMT makes a door set for the router. Works great.
Check with your local CMT vendor.
Dave

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On Sat, 09 Apr 2005 02:06:09 GMT, the inscrutable "dadiOH"
spake:

habbi wrote:
A 1.5" thick door is basically 2 3/4" cupboard doors back to back.
Couldn't you just do one side of all the styles and rails and then
flip them over and do the other? And the same for the raised panels?

Sure can. To both.

Wouldn't that leave double grooves for panels?

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That would be a good method for him to build the door if he doesn't have
the proper tools to cut the large profiles (shaper).

Dave

Lenny wrote:

I've built many large doors using several methods , ...
I'd suggest starting with square edged stock, using mortise and tenon
joinery and then apply the sticking (which can easily be made on a
router table) and panels later after the door has been glued up.
just my 2 cents
Lenny

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wrote:


Would they be the easiest way to build doors. What is the common home method
to build 6 panel doors with no shaper?

"Teamcasa" wrote in message
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CMT makes a door set for the router. Works great.
Check with your local CMT vendor.
Dave

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On Sat, 09 Apr 2005 02:06:09 GMT, the inscrutable "dadiOH"
spake:

habbi wrote:
A 1.5" thick door is basically 2 3/4" cupboard doors back to back.
Couldn't you just do one side of all the styles and rails and then
flip them over and do the other? And the same for the raised panels?

Sure can. To both.

Wouldn't that leave double grooves for panels?

No, the goal is one 1/2" (or a smidge less) groove and that is what you
get if the cutting depth is set properly. As I said in another post,
one has to consider the geometry of the bit and how one is going to use
them prior to starting.

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As others have pointed out, there are bit sets for doors. However, you do
not need a specialized set.

If you are willing to do a little extra hand work, you can use a router
table to create the profile on the stiles and rails with a quater round bit
of the appropriate size. A groove can then be cut using a straight bit (I
suggest using a spiral bit for this).

Cut mortise and tenons on the appropriate parts. A few things to think
about:

1. There are more mortises than you think on a door like this. Count them
before you decide to cut them by hand then see if you know someone with a
mortiser.

2. If you use a 3/8" router bit to cut the groove and have a metric mortise
chisel, they mayl not quite match. Check to see that they are the same
size. Even though the chisel may be marked 3/8", it may be 10 mm.

3. Don't forget to leave enough length for the tenons. Also leave the ends
of the stiles a little long if you are going to hand chop mortises to
minimize any chance of breaking the end out.

Where stile and rail meet, the quarter round on the stile is carefully
trimmed flat with a chisel. The quarter round is either coped or mitered to
meet the adjoining piece. This is easier than it sounds because you should
have a shoulder to show you exactly where to trim. Use a gauge block cut at
45 degrees to guide the chisel to cut a miter on the quarter round. You can
either cut a matching miter on the rail or cope the joint. I prefer to cope
the joint.

For the raised panels I used a vertical raising bit because I was able to
get a little more reveal using a vertical raising bit. IMO, a horizontal
router bit is not large enough for sufficient reveal--you really need a
shaper to raise the panel horizontally. Draw a scale drawing and see what
looks right to you.

I will post a picture to ABPW of an exterior door that I built using these
methods. The door is only 1-1/8" thick since it is a screen door, but the
same methods apply.

Ed


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Can a bit set for making cabinet doors be used to make full size 1.5"
thick
80" tall) panel doors. What are some tips on making full size doors?
Thanks

What is ABPW?

"Edward LeBlanc" wrote in message
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As others have pointed out, there are bit sets for doors. However, you do
not need a specialized set.

If you are willing to do a little extra hand work, you can use a router
table to create the profile on the stiles and rails with a quater round
bit
of the appropriate size. A groove can then be cut using a straight bit (I
suggest using a spiral bit for this).

Cut mortise and tenons on the appropriate parts. A few things to think
about:

1. There are more mortises than you think on a door like this. Count
them
before you decide to cut them by hand then see if you know someone with a
mortiser.

2. If you use a 3/8" router bit to cut the groove and have a metric
mortise
chisel, they mayl not quite match. Check to see that they are the same
size. Even though the chisel may be marked 3/8", it may be 10 mm.

3. Don't forget to leave enough length for the tenons. Also leave the
ends
of the stiles a little long if you are going to hand chop mortises to
minimize any chance of breaking the end out.

Where stile and rail meet, the quarter round on the stile is carefully
trimmed flat with a chisel. The quarter round is either coped or mitered
to
meet the adjoining piece. This is easier than it sounds because you
should
have a shoulder to show you exactly where to trim. Use a gauge block cut
at
45 degrees to guide the chisel to cut a miter on the quarter round. You
can
either cut a matching miter on the rail or cope the joint. I prefer to
cope
the joint.

For the raised panels I used a vertical raising bit because I was able to
get a little more reveal using a vertical raising bit. IMO, a horizontal
router bit is not large enough for sufficient reveal--you really need a
shaper to raise the panel horizontally. Draw a scale drawing and see what

looks right to you.

I will post a picture to ABPW of an exterior door that I built using these
methods. The door is only 1-1/8" thick since it is a screen door, but the
same methods apply.

Ed


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80" tall) panel doors. What are some tips on making full size doors?
Thanks

"habbi" wrote in message
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What is ABPW?


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Can a bit set for making cabinet doors be used to make full size 1.5" thick
80" tall) panel doors. What are some tips on making full size doors? Thanks


I havn'ty tried it but with some figureing you probly can. However----
are you also making the jambs as well? most interior doors are 1 3/8"
thick and exterior doors are 1 3/4" thick. so 1 1/2" doors aint gonna
fit standard jambs. you will need jambs that you can apply your own
stops to. YMMV

skeez

"Lenny" wrote in message
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I've built many large doors using several methods , ...
I'd suggest starting with square edged stock, using mortise and tenon
joinery and then apply the sticking (which can easily be made on a
router table) and panels later after the door has been glued up.
just my 2 cents
Lenny

Interesting. There was an article in, I think Fine Woodworking, maybe FHB a
couple issues back dealing with door construction in a laminated fashion.
It intrigued me enough that I'm thinking of tackling the front door for the
house we're gonna build next year.

Basically you make a sandwich of your chosen wood, using pocket-hole joinery
to do the rails and stiles in three layers. Looked pretty easy compared to
the alternative. Besides, it gives you an excuse to buy a Kreg jig (if you
need an excuse that is)... : )

Jason