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Getting the Craftsman Compucarve thingie for Christmas anyone using it out there?
Wife decided to pick me out a nice toy since I did such a good job on the
kitchen this past summer. I've looked at it for over a year and can see some use for it.... But it really seems to be shunned by the woodies! How come? |
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Getting the Craftsman Compucarve thingie for Christmas anyone using it out there?
sawzdust wrote:
Wife decided to pick me out a nice toy since I did such a good job on the kitchen this past summer. I've looked at it for over a year and can see some use for it.... But it really seems to be shunned by the woodies! How come? It has limitations of depth and precision. Was discussed fairly extensively when it first came out. I don't think anybody here has actually gotten one and played with it. Read the reviews on the Sears site and the posts at http://forum.carvewright.com/ and if you still want it, let us all know how it works out. This is one tool that I would buy _with_ an extended warranty because apparently it needs it. -- -- --John to email, dial "usenet" and validate (was jclarke at eye bee em dot net) |
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On Dec 18, 3:08 am, "sawzdust" wrote:
Wife decided to pick me out a nice toy since I did such a good job on the kitchen this past summer. I've looked at it for over a year and can see some use for it.... But it really seems to be shunned by the woodies! How come? When people look at some item I've made and ask, "How'd you do that?", I sometimes tell them I have a computerized woodworking machine in my shop. I tell them I just throw a stick of firewood in one end and it comes out the other end as whatever I want it to be. I think most of us see computerized woodworking tools as just a little too close to my imaginary machine. Sure, it will make neat things, but it's just not woodworking to me. Buy yourself a good hand plane and learn to use it. Then you'll understand. Or not. DonkeyHody "There's a difference between doing things right and doing the right things." |
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DonkeyHody wrote:
On Dec 18, 3:08 am, "sawzdust" wrote: Wife decided to pick me out a nice toy since I did such a good job on the kitchen this past summer. I've looked at it for over a year and can see some use for it.... But it really seems to be shunned by the woodies! How come? When people look at some item I've made and ask, "How'd you do that?", I sometimes tell them I have a computerized woodworking machine in my shop. I tell them I just throw a stick of firewood in one end and it comes out the other end as whatever I want it to be. I think most of us see computerized woodworking tools as just a little too close to my imaginary machine. Sure, it will make neat things, but it's just not woodworking to me. Buy yourself a good hand plane and learn to use it. Then you'll understand. Or not. A good hand plane doesn't do detailed relief carving. -- -- --John to email, dial "usenet" and validate (was jclarke at eye bee em dot net) |
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On Dec 18, 10:50 am, "J. Clarke" wrote:
DonkeyHody wrote: On Dec 18, 3:08 am, "sawzdust" wrote: Wife decided to pick me out a nice toy since I did such a good job on the kitchen this past summer. I've looked at it for over a year and can see some use for it.... But it really seems to be shunned by the woodies! How come? When people look at some item I've made and ask, "How'd you do that?", I sometimes tell them I have a computerized woodworking machine in my shop. I tell them I just throw a stick of firewood in one end and it comes out the other end as whatever I want it to be. I think most of us see computerized woodworking tools as just a little too close to my imaginary machine. Sure, it will make neat things, but it's just not woodworking to me. Buy yourself a good hand plane and learn to use it. Then you'll understand. Or not. A good hand plane doesn't do detailed relief carving. -- -- --John to email, dial "usenet" and validate (was jclarke at eye bee em dot net) He's got you there, DonkeyHody.... |
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Buy yourself a good hand plane and learn to use
it. Then you'll understand. Or not. A good hand plane doesn't do detailed relief carving. -- -- --John to email, dial "usenet" and validate (was jclarke at eye bee em dot net) He's got you there, DonkeyHody....- Hide quoted text - Y'all are missing the point entirely. The point wasn't about different ways to get a relief carved panel. The point was about the pleasure of working with your hands as opposed to pressing buttons on a machine. Maybe I should have attempted some eloquence about the deep spiritual experience when a razor sharp carving tool trails a curly shaving as it leaves a perfect groove in a panel of good wood. But I've never used carving tools, although I have used a good plane. I expected you to make the leap to the philosophical, but you remained mired in the literal. Pearls before swine. DonkeyHody "Every man is my superior in that I can learn from him." - Thomas Carlyle |
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On Dec 18, 12:11 pm, DonkeyHody wrote:
Buy yourself a good hand plane and learn to use it. Then you'll understand. Or not. A good hand plane doesn't do detailed relief carving. -- -- --John to email, dial "usenet" and validate (was jclarke at eye bee em dot net) He's got you there, DonkeyHody....- Hide quoted text - Y'all are missing the point entirely. The point wasn't about different ways to get a relief carved panel. The point was about the pleasure of working with your hands as opposed to pressing buttons on a machine. Maybe I should have attempted some eloquence about the deep spiritual experience when a razor sharp carving tool trails a curly shaving as it leaves a perfect groove in a panel of good wood. But I've never used carving tools, although I have used a good plane. I expected you to make the leap to the philosophical, but you remained mired in the literal. Pearls before swine. I got your point just fine, Donk. *I* did. What is the emoticon for 'tongue-in-cheek'? I must have misplaced mine. |
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DonkeyHody wrote:
Buy yourself a good hand plane and learn to use it. Then you'll understand. Or not. A good hand plane doesn't do detailed relief carving. -- -- --John to email, dial "usenet" and validate (was jclarke at eye bee em dot net) He's got you there, DonkeyHody....- Hide quoted text - Y'all are missing the point entirely. The point wasn't about different ways to get a relief carved panel. The point was about the pleasure of working with your hands as opposed to pressing buttons on a machine. Maybe I should have attempted some eloquence about the deep spiritual experience when a razor sharp carving tool trails a curly shaving as it leaves a perfect groove in a panel of good wood. But I've never used carving tools, although I have used a good plane. I expected you to make the leap to the philosophical, but you remained mired in the literal. Pearls before swine. I got your point. One can spend years trying to develop the skill to do what a CompuCarver can do and never get there. Where does one want to put one's effort? And where does the joy derive? For you it's making shavings, for others it's design or finishing or some other aspect. And for still others it's getting paid for the finished product. Don't assume that your values are the only ones that are valid. -- -- --John to email, dial "usenet" and validate (was jclarke at eye bee em dot net) |
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"DonkeyHody" wrote in message ... Buy yourself a good hand plane and learn to use it. Then you'll understand. Or not. A good hand plane doesn't do detailed relief carving. -- -- --John to email, dial "usenet" and validate (was jclarke at eye bee em dot net) He's got you there, DonkeyHody....- Hide quoted text - Y'all are missing the point entirely. The point wasn't about different ways to get a relief carved panel. The point was about the pleasure of working with your hands as opposed to pressing buttons on a machine. Maybe I should have attempted some eloquence about the deep spiritual experience when a razor sharp carving tool trails a curly shaving as it leaves a perfect groove in a panel of good wood. But I've never used carving tools, although I have used a good plane. I expected you to make the leap to the philosophical, but you remained mired in the literal. Pearls before swine. DonkeyHody "Every man is my superior in that I can learn from him." - Thomas Carlyle The point was never missed... the kitchen cabinets all made and finished by hand including the island. There are very detailed carvings that I would like to create and duplicate and since I have only one life span the Compucarve could save a great deal of time and offer a lot more options then dying of old age leaving the job unfinished. Some of us really don't have the time to carve specific items that may take months of spare time for one piece whereas in under 5 hours and I can duplicate it, modify it and recreate it at anytime I wish. At some point the finished product simply outways the "process" regardless how noble or spiritual. Having the literal in hand beats 2 philosophicals in the bush. ........it's simply another tool. |
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I got an extensive demo at the AWFS show. Really nice product manager.
Great little machine. Not really production shop ready because the work cycle life is too short but great for home work. I think you should pull a few of those upper cab doors in the kitchen and add some nice wheat stocks or other appropriate carving. I think you can ad lots of interesting elements to custom hand worked projects so it not just a computerized project. I have been wondering of you can do some cool inlay work with this thing by having it carve the inlay area and then have it trim a veener to fit. I can't recall if they we talking about doing that at the show but we were doing it with a laser and it was super cool. On Dec 18, 1:08 am, "sawzdust" wrote: Wife decided to pick me out a nice toy since I did such a good job on the kitchen this past summer. I've looked at it for over a year and can see some use for it.... But it really seems to be shunned by the woodies! How come? |
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Thanks! Someone is actually helpful! Basically, from my looking into it is
that there is a great deal of either time or money into the artwork alone and from some reviews they do question the life cycle of some of the major components. With a 200 hour warranty..... that's most likely half of the learning curve and you know at 201 hours it'll croak. I downloaded the carvewright software demo and if that's a sign of the product, I'm REALLY concerned it simply crashes. So I went to the Vector Arts and downloaded their application demo and that works fine. I'll play with Corel and the various CAD and see what works best with what. I also don't like their proprietary memory cards. Overall the good seems to beat out the bad IF you get some life out of it. The uses and freedoms are enormous. The wife was able to get it at $1,699 so I don't think it's that bad of a write off. I've already got the mantle on the fireplace as well as new crown molding above the cabinets lined up!!!! Thanks!. "SonomaProducts.com" wrote in message ... I got an extensive demo at the AWFS show. Really nice product manager. Great little machine. Not really production shop ready because the work cycle life is too short but great for home work. I think you should pull a few of those upper cab doors in the kitchen and add some nice wheat stocks or other appropriate carving. I think you can ad lots of interesting elements to custom hand worked projects so it not just a computerized project. I have been wondering of you can do some cool inlay work with this thing by having it carve the inlay area and then have it trim a veener to fit. I can't recall if they we talking about doing that at the show but we were doing it with a laser and it was super cool. On Dec 18, 1:08 am, "sawzdust" wrote: Wife decided to pick me out a nice toy since I did such a good job on the kitchen this past summer. I've looked at it for over a year and can see some use for it.... But it really seems to be shunned by the woodies! How come? |
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I wouldn't worry about a breakdown. I think the PM said he thought the
the main bearings would last over 2,000 hours, but that's just a year in a production shop. He also indicated it would be totally maintainable and is built with standard parts, so I wouldn't expect any reliability problem. Software can be a problem, that's my business. I didn't do too much looking at that but hopefully that works out OK. BW On Dec 18, 7:56 pm, "sawzdust" wrote: Thanks! Someone is actually helpful! Basically, from my looking into it is that there is a great deal of either time or money into the artwork alone and from some reviews they do question the life cycle of some of the major components. With a 200 hour warranty..... that's most likely half of the learning curve and you know at 201 hours it'll croak. I downloaded the carvewright software demo and if that's a sign of the product, I'm REALLY concerned it simply crashes. So I went to the Vector Arts and downloaded their application demo and that works fine. I'll play with Corel and the various CAD and see what works best with what. I also don't like their proprietary memory cards. Overall the good seems to beat out the bad IF you get some life out of it. The uses and freedoms are enormous. The wife was able to get it at $1,699 so I don't think it's that bad of a write off. I've already got the mantle on the fireplace as well as new crown molding above the cabinets lined up!!!! Thanks!. "SonomaProducts.com" wrote in message ... I got an extensive demo at the AWFS show. Really nice product manager. Great little machine. Not really production shop ready because the work cycle life is too short but great for home work. I think you should pull a few of those upper cab doors in the kitchen and add some nice wheat stocks or other appropriate carving. I think you can ad lots of interesting elements to custom hand worked projects so it not just a computerized project. I have been wondering of you can do some cool inlay work with this thing by having it carve the inlay area and then have it trim a veener to fit. I can't recall if they we talking about doing that at the show but we were doing it with a laser and it was super cool. On Dec 18, 1:08 am, "sawzdust" wrote: Wife decided to pick me out a nice toy since I did such a good job on the kitchen this past summer. I've looked at it for over a year and can see some use for it.... But it really seems to be shunned by the woodies! How come?- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - |
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"SonomaProducts.com" wrote: I wouldn't worry about a breakdown. I think the PM said he thought the the main bearings would last over 2,000 hours, but that's just a year in a production shop. 2,000 hour bearing life! You can't be serious, unless that is at 100% load. Lew .. |
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The bearings he was talking about are the precision components in the
actuator assemblies that move the spindle, not the spindle bearings. I think it is nothing about the load. The high percision bearings wear out quickly because they are built to introduce no darg and have no slop (high percision) and the tradeoff for this combination is shorter life span. I'm sure you could let the spindle spin for years.. On Dec 19, 12:10 am, "Lew Hodgett" wrote: "SonomaProducts.com" wrote: I wouldn't worry about a breakdown. I think the PM said he thought the the main bearings would last over 2,000 hours, but that's just a year in a production shop. 2,000 hour bearing life! You can't be serious, unless that is at 100% load. Lew . |
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I'll examine the parts lists and see what makes this thing tick and get back
to you.... I'd have to say worm gear for precise movement, but I'll find out! "SonomaProducts.com" wrote in message ... I wouldn't worry about a breakdown. I think the PM said he thought the the main bearings would last over 2,000 hours, but that's just a year in a production shop. He also indicated it would be totally maintainable and is built with standard parts, so I wouldn't expect any reliability problem. Software can be a problem, that's my business. I didn't do too much looking at that but hopefully that works out OK. BW On Dec 18, 7:56 pm, "sawzdust" wrote: Thanks! Someone is actually helpful! Basically, from my looking into it is that there is a great deal of either time or money into the artwork alone and from some reviews they do question the life cycle of some of the major components. With a 200 hour warranty..... that's most likely half of the learning curve and you know at 201 hours it'll croak. I downloaded the carvewright software demo and if that's a sign of the product, I'm REALLY concerned it simply crashes. So I went to the Vector Arts and downloaded their application demo and that works fine. I'll play with Corel and the various CAD and see what works best with what. I also don't like their proprietary memory cards. Overall the good seems to beat out the bad IF you get some life out of it. The uses and freedoms are enormous. The wife was able to get it at $1,699 so I don't think it's that bad of a write off. I've already got the mantle on the fireplace as well as new crown molding above the cabinets lined up!!!! Thanks!. "SonomaProducts.com" wrote in message ... I got an extensive demo at the AWFS show. Really nice product manager. Great little machine. Not really production shop ready because the work cycle life is too short but great for home work. I think you should pull a few of those upper cab doors in the kitchen and add some nice wheat stocks or other appropriate carving. I think you can ad lots of interesting elements to custom hand worked projects so it not just a computerized project. I have been wondering of you can do some cool inlay work with this thing by having it carve the inlay area and then have it trim a veener to fit. I can't recall if they we talking about doing that at the show but we were doing it with a laser and it was super cool. On Dec 18, 1:08 am, "sawzdust" wrote: Wife decided to pick me out a nice toy since I did such a good job on the kitchen this past summer. I've looked at it for over a year and can see some use for it.... But it really seems to be shunned by the woodies! How come?- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - |
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Sawdust,
I dont have one yet but have been drooling over itg. Here are some links that I have collected: http://www.allcw.com/ http://www.carveright.com/software.html http://www.forums.woodnet.net/ubbthr...=&fpart=4&vc=1 http://www.forums.woodnet.net/ubbthr... psed&sb=5&o= May be of some help. Skip www.ShopFileR.com "sawzdust" wrote in message news:d6M9j.19949$1R1.4023@trndny02... Wife decided to pick me out a nice toy since I did such a good job on the kitchen this past summer. I've looked at it for over a year and can see some use for it.... But it really seems to be shunned by the woodies! How come? |
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Thanks! I'll look through them.
"Skip Williams" wrote in message .. . Sawdust, I dont have one yet but have been drooling over itg. Here are some links that I have collected: http://www.allcw.com/ http://www.carveright.com/software.html http://www.forums.woodnet.net/ubbthr...=&fpart=4&vc=1 http://www.forums.woodnet.net/ubbthr... psed&sb=5&o= May be of some help. Skip www.ShopFileR.com "sawzdust" wrote in message news:d6M9j.19949$1R1.4023@trndny02... Wife decided to pick me out a nice toy since I did such a good job on the kitchen this past summer. I've looked at it for over a year and can see some use for it.... But it really seems to be shunned by the woodies! How come? |
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