The local hardware store has a really limited sandpaper selection. Is
there a really good source on the web??

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The local hardware store has a really limited sandpaper selection. Is
there a really good source on the web??

I love http://www.woodworkingshop.com/

Frank Drackman wrote:
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The local hardware store has a really limited sandpaper selection. Is
there a really good source on the web??

I love http://www.woodworkingshop.com/

I'll second that although for 5" discs I've gone to the Mirka...

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The local hardware store has a really limited sandpaper selection. Is
there a really good source on the web??

Rockler handles Norton's 3X Sandpaper, both in their retail stores and at
www.rockler.com

I'm a fan of this paper, not just because it's a decent product, but because
you can usually find it most any place big enough to have a BORG.

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The local hardware store has a really limited sandpaper selection. Is
there a really good source on the web??

I get:
5" discs
6" discs
sheets
3 X 21 belts
4 X 24 belts
6 X 48 belts
1 X 42 belts
Oscillating drum sander drums
and a few other odds and ends from either
Woodworker.com
or:
Onlineindustrial supply.com

Max

Mon, Sep 24, 2007, 5:09pm doth mumble:
The local hardware store has a really limited sandpaper selection. Is
there a really good source on the web??

I read that and the first thought that popped into my mine was:
Has he even tried looking? Second thought was: I doubt it..



JOAT
What is life without challenge and a constant stream of new
humiliations?
- Peter Egan

wrote:
The local hardware store has a really limited sandpaper selection. Is
there a really good source on the web??
For high end long-lasting paper, you will not be disappointed with
Mirka Royal.
http://www.btisupply.com/SearchResul...CategoryID=291

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miserable, that the government cannot
make worse.

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The local hardware store has a really limited sandpaper selection. Is
there a really good source on the web??

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The local hardware store has a really limited sandpaper selection. Is
there a really good source on the web??

Sorry to divert the original question, but this has reminded me that as a
youngster I was told to say 'glasspaper' since abrasive papers were no
longer made using sand.

Nowadays I wonder whether we can even correctly say 'glasspaper'.

Does anyone know for certain whether glass is actually still used, and if
so, where it can be bought? I did email Hermes, a specialist supplier, but
they did not have the grace to respond.

I believe that at one time top quality finishers prefered glass 'flourpaper'
grade to the other abrasives because the 'grains' were of more uniform size.

Jeff

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Jeff Gorman wrote:
wrote in message
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The local hardware store has a really limited sandpaper selection.
Is there a really good source on the web??

Sorry to divert the original question, but this has reminded me
that as a youngster I was told to say 'glasspaper' since abrasive
papers were no longer made using sand.

Nowadays I wonder whether we can even correctly say 'glasspaper'.

Does anyone know for certain whether glass is actually still used,
and if so, where it can be bought? I did email Hermes, a specialist
supplier, but they did not have the grace to respond.

Heck, I didn't even know that it was *ever* used.

Nowadays, you can buy...

1. flint paper (particles of flint - the generic "sandpaper")

2. garnet paper (crystals of garnet)

3. aluminum oxide paper (crysyals of corundum which is same as
ruby/sapphire)

4. silicon carbide (manufactured material)

There are others used in belts, etc. but I haven't seen them in
sheets.



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On Sep 24, 5:09 pm, wrote:
The local hardware store has a really limited sandpaper selection. Is
there a really good source on the web??

Yes. Do a google search.

Tue, Sep 25, 2007, 11:37am (EDT+4) (dadiOH) doth
sayeth:
Heck, I didn't even know that it was *ever* used.
Nowadays, you can buy...
1. flint paper (particles of flint - the generic "sandpaper")
2. garnet paper (crystals of garnet)
3. aluminum oxide paper (crysyals of corundum which is same as
ruby/sapphire)
4. silicon carbide (manufactured material)
There are others used in belts, etc. but I haven't seen them in sheets.

I've heard references to glass paper, but not since I was a kid.
Occassionally garnet, or emory,cloth - at least some of it uses paper.
But, overall, no matter what is used, the usual term I've heard for any
of it, sincce I was a kid, and that's been a lot longer than most of you
here, it has been called sandpaper. Because all of it's used to "sand",
I suppose. So, unless I want to get specific, I'll probably just say
sandpaper.



JOAT
What is life without challenge and a constant stream of new
humiliations?
- Peter Egan

Yes. Do a google search.

Wow - at least your reply wasn't insulting like JT's, but it wasn't
the least bit helpful either! Sorry to sound like a parent, but
seriously, if you don't have anything helpful to say, why do you
post? Sure anyone could find 10 million google hits for "sandpaper",
but this OP asked about a "GOOD SOURCE". So he/she is looking for an
OPINION, which is clearly best gleaned from a source that has first-
hand experience with sandpaper, not a bunch of google hits that want
to SELL sandpaper. Sure the OP could have provided some more info on
exactly what he/she was looking for, but maybe you could ASK for that
instead of blowing him/her off. Googling "good source sandpaper"
wouldn't necessarily reveal anything (I tried), other than the fact
that SOME forum posters in various places are kind enough to suggest
sources they've found to be reliable, and another opinion can often be
helpful. Fortunately some members here are kind enough to supply
one! But if someone gets insulted for asking for opinions, why would
that person post back? If your goal is to keep new people from
joining this forum, I think you're succeeding. But why? What's the
point of this group? If there were a rule stating that no question
could be posted that could possibly be answered with a google search,
this would be a pretty quiet place. In fact, the frequent snide
comments (i.e. a few in this thread) and argumentative nature of some
frequent posters here (i.e. most of the TSaligner rebate thread)
really don't make this a pleasant place to read and share woodworking
stuff. Which is a shame, because there are many good, helpful, and
talented people here too!
Sure I absolutely agree that many very basic things can be found
searching elsewhere on the web, and some (many?) questions are so
silly they don't deserve a reply. But if that's the case, DON'T
REPLY!

OK, off my soapbox.

In response to the OP, I also like Norton 3X paper for sheets. I find
it lasts much longer than the typical brown-colored, unstearated,
paper-backed stuff at most hardware stores. I've even found the
higher grits work better than the black wet/dry paper for initial edge-
tool sharpening (i.e. Scary Sharp, but you still need higher grits for
honing/polishing). 3X is available at (most) Home Depot stores, and
if you want larger quantities, Hartville Tool is a good, fairly
inexpensive source online. (Hartvilletool.com). leevalley.com,
woodcraft.com, rockler.com, and many others also carry 3X. I've also
recently tried some sheets and sanding sponges from Webb Abrasives
(webbmfg.com), and I'd say they're probably equivalent to the 3X. For
random-orbit discs, I really like Mirka Gold (got mine from Amazon,
just watch the # of holes). I think these are at least as good as the
few 3X discs I've tried, but any of the discs work better (faster,
better surface, and cleaner) when the sander is attached to a vacuum.
Finally, another source that's very well-respected (though I haven't
tried them) is Klingspor's (woodworkingshop.com). They have "Bargain
Boxes" of assorted grits that I've heard can be a very good deal.
Hope this helps,
Andy

On Mon, 24 Sep 2007 18:59:28 -0400, (J T)
wrote:

Mon, Sep 24, 2007, 5:09pm doth mumble:
The local hardware store has a really limited sandpaper selection. Is
there a really good source on the web??

I read that and the first thought that popped into my mine was:
Has he even tried looking? Second thought was: I doubt it..


Yes, I have tried looking and have purchased from a variety of sources
but have not been as satisfied as I'd like. So, I thought I'd ask
this group.

Sorry if I bothered you but it seemed like a reasonable request to me.




JOAT
What is life without challenge and a constant stream of new
humiliations?
- Peter Egan

Now, this is a really helpful suggestion.

Thank you sooo much.

On Tue, 25 Sep 2007 06:46:50 -0700, Robatoy
wrote:

On Sep 24, 5:09 pm, wrote:
The local hardware store has a really limited sandpaper selection. Is
there a really good source on the web??

Yes. Do a google search.

On 25 Sep, 08:39, "Jeff Gorman" wrote:

I was told to say 'glasspaper' since abrasive papers were no
longer made using sand.

Abrasive papers (good ones) never did use sand. Stalker and Parker, a
well-known 17th century handbook on wood finishing, discuss this and
make it clear that "sandpaper" is common, but only as a cheap fake
that's no use compared to the true glasspaper (which they describe how
to make).

Nowadays I wonder whether we can even correctly say 'glasspaper'.

Pretty pointless to, IMHO, as we're all using synthetic grits. I say
"sandpaper", mainly because my old school woodwork teacher was
obsessed with not saying it.

You can still buy glasspaper (real glass) easily enough, but only the
nasty low-end stuff made with hygroscopic fish glue that falls apart
after a night in a damp workshop. I've never seen glasspaper that was
worth using.

On Sep 25, 10:25 am, Andy wrote:
Yes. Do a google search.

Wow - at least your reply wasn't insulting like JT's, but it wasn't
the least bit helpful either!

The OP couldn't be bothered to give any helpful information
either..i.e.

What is he sanding?
To what level of finish?
Is he an amateur looking for a 5-pack of sheets?
Is he looking for 1000 lots of discs that fit his 8" Fein?

His request is somewhat like : "what is the price of a car."

I try to be helpful when I can, but I suck at mind-reading.... I don't
even know what country he's in!

r

other than that, most of your points are well taken.

wrote:
Now, this is a really helpful suggestion.

Thank you sooo much.


It's usenet--what would you expect?

But, as another posted, you didn't help a lot in posing the question of
who (if any) you have tried, what purpose(s)/volume/etc., to aid in the
narrowing of choices...

But, the thing is w/ usenet, you posts your question and takes your
chances. Who knows what will set somebody off? Impossible to predict,
and the same person who snips or barks one day may be feeling expansive
the next, and vice versa...

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Andy Dingley wrote:
On 25 Sep, 08:39, "Jeff Gorman" wrote:

I was told to say 'glasspaper' since abrasive papers were no
longer made using sand.

Abrasive papers (good ones) never did use sand. Stalker and Parker,
a
well-known 17th century handbook on wood finishing, discuss this and
make it clear that "sandpaper" is common, but only as a cheap fake
that's no use compared to the true glasspaper (which they describe
how
to make).

Nowadays I wonder whether we can even correctly say 'glasspaper'.

Pretty pointless to, IMHO, as we're all using synthetic grits. I say
"sandpaper", mainly because my old school woodwork teacher was
obsessed with not saying it.

You can still buy glasspaper (real glass) easily enough, but only
the
nasty low-end stuff made with hygroscopic fish glue that falls apart
after a night in a damp workshop. I've never seen glasspaper that
was
worth using.

I suspect that "glasspaper" is another case of two nations separated
by a common language. Never heard the term in the US. If one wants
to be as pedantic as your teacher then we would call it "rubypaper" or
"moissanitepaper" or the like. Or sidestep the whole issue by being
verbose and calling it "paper-backed coated abrasive sheets".

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J. Clarke wrote:
....

I suspect that "glasspaper" is another case of two nations separated
by a common language. Never heard the term in the US. If one wants
to be as pedantic as your teacher then we would call it "rubypaper" or
"moissanitepaper" or the like. Or sidestep the whole issue by being
verbose and calling it "paper-backed coated abrasive sheets".

Me neither, on the first. Excepting, of course, when it is
"fabric-backed" for the second...

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On Tue, 25 Sep 2007 09:38:19 -0700, Robatoy
wrote:

On Sep 25, 10:25 am, Andy wrote:
Yes. Do a google search.

Wow - at least your reply wasn't insulting like JT's, but it wasn't
the least bit helpful either!

OK. Most of my needs center around producing a fine finish on cherry
furniture. This includes a variety of operations such as sanding on
the lathe, removing material as with a random orbit sander (adhesive
backed 6" disks). Hand sanding.

And I've got a belt sander that gets some use as well as smaller 1/4
sheet and 1/3 sheet oscillating sanders.

As I've never had a problem with sandpaper going bad, I like to buy in
"bulk" of 100 - 250 pieces of a particular grit.

I prefer aluminum oxide but am open to suggestions. I ocasionally use
automotive wet/dry silicon carbide for a variety of uses including
sharpening, leveling varnish on a large surface (using mineral spirits
as a lubricant)

While I'm an amateur, I am an advanced amateur concentrating on
heirloom quality furniture. And yes, I do utilize a scraper when it
is appropriate but find that "sand"paper is most useful.

As far as my country, I'm in the good old USA in northwestern New
Hampshire. I have a fully equipped shop. I have been teaching at a
local college since retiring from the venture capital business and
will be again fully retired after this school year.

Hope this makes it easier to answer my original question!


The OP couldn't be bothered to give any helpful information
either..i.e.

What is he sanding?
To what level of finish?
Is he an amateur looking for a 5-pack of sheets?
Is he looking for 1000 lots of discs that fit his 8" Fein?

His request is somewhat like : "what is the price of a car."

I try to be helpful when I can, but I suck at mind-reading.... I don't
even know what country he's in!

r

other than that, most of your points are well taken.

Tue, Sep 25, 2007, 2:25pm (EDT+4) (Andy) doth
goeth:.
Wow - at least your reply wasn't insulting like JT's, but it wasn't the
least bit helpful either! Sorry to sound like a parent, but seriously,
if you don't have anything helpful to say, why do you post? Sure anyone
could find 10 million google hits for "sandpaper", but this OP asked
about a "GOOD SOURCE". So he/she is looking for an OPINION, snip

OK then, here's an OPINION. A good source for sandpaper is the Ace
Hardware local to me. Or, if that doesn't cut it, Loop Road Auto Parts
should be able to do the job. Otherwise, the guy should google.
Another opinion is, let the OP bitch on his own, if he feels the need.
Now get an opinion from Robatoy.



JOAT
What is life without challenge and a constant stream of new
humiliations?
- Peter Egan

Tue, Sep 25, 2007, 12:07pm now sayeth:
Yes, I have tried looking and have purchased from a variety of sources
but have not been as satisfied as I'd like. * So, I thought I'd ask
this group.
Sorry if I bothered you but it seemed like a reasonable request to me.

Ah, but if you had "said" you had checked on line. But you didn't.
You always need to include the details.



JOAT
What is life without challenge and a constant stream of new
humiliations?
- Peter Egan

dpb wrote in :

It's usenet--what would you expect?

But, as another posted, you didn't help a lot in posing the question of
who (if any) you have tried, what purpose(s)/volume/etc., to aid in the
narrowing of choices...

But, the thing is w/ usenet, you posts your question and takes your
chances. Who knows what will set somebody off? Impossible to predict,
and the same person who snips or barks one day may be feeling expansive
the next, and vice versa...

--


I'm insulted by your lack of insult!

Puckdropper wrote in
reenews.net:

dpb wrote in :

It's usenet--what would you expect?

But, as another posted, you didn't help a lot in posing the question
of who (if any) you have tried, what purpose(s)/volume/etc., to aid
in the narrowing of choices...

But, the thing is w/ usenet, you posts your question and takes your
chances. Who knows what will set somebody off? Impossible to
predict, and the same person who snips or barks one day may be
feeling expansive the next, and vice versa...

--


I'm insulted by your lack of insult!

Probably should have included this:

;-)

In article ews.net,
Puckdropper wrote:
dpb wrote in :

It's usenet--what would you expect?

But, as another posted, you didn't help a lot in posing the question of
who (if any) you have tried, what purpose(s)/volume/etc., to aid in the
narrowing of choices...

But, the thing is w/ usenet, you posts your question and takes your
chances. Who knows what will set somebody off? Impossible to predict,
and the same person who snips or barks one day may be feeling expansive
the next, and vice versa...

--


I'm insulted by your lack of insult!

You have objections to out-sults, then?

On Mon, 24 Sep 2007 17:09:40 -0400, wrote:

The local hardware store has a really limited sandpaper selection. Is
there a really good source on the web??


You can get Mirka (my favorite) from Homestead Finishing, Amazon,
Western Tool, and possibly Highland Hardware. Klingspoor also makes
excellent abrasives and sells direct.

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On Sep 25, 2:42 pm, wrote:


OK. Most of my needs center around producing a fine finish on cherry
furniture. This includes a variety of operations such as sanding on
the lathe, removing material as with a random orbit sander (adhesive
backed 6" disks). Hand sanding.

For that. Norton 3X works great.

And I've got a belt sander that gets some use as well as smaller 1/4
sheet and 1/3 sheet oscillating sanders.

I use EA Blue belts. They don't go over 120 grit, so....

As I've never had a problem with sandpaper going bad, I like to buy in
"bulk" of 100 - 250 pieces of a particular grit.

I prefer aluminum oxide but am open to suggestions.

As do I.Klingspor is my favourite and buy it from Specialtytools.com.
For the bulk of my trade (solid surface fabrication) I buy Mirka
Abranet exclusively.
Where? I'm in Canada, so I buy from Justintimefactroysupplies.com.

While I'm an amateur, I am an advanced amateur concentrating on
heirloom quality furniture. [snip]

Hope this makes it easier to answer my original question!

I also use a LOT of 3M handpads...like ScotchBrite in different
grades.

wrote in news:aq9gf3p3cnivs70vb4et0uinct9le4cccm@
4ax.com:

The local hardware store has a really limited sandpaper selection. Is
there a really good source on the web??

I've used Klingspor - excellent results good selection. www.klingspor.com

On Sep 25, 2:42 pm, wrote:
On Tue, 25 Sep 2007 09:38:19 -0700, Robatoy
wrote:

On Sep 25, 10:25 am, Andy wrote:
Yes. Do a google search.

Wow - at least your reply wasn't insulting like JT's, but it wasn't
the least bit helpful either!

OK. Most of my needs center around producing a fine finish on cherry
furniture. This includes a variety of operations such as sanding on
the lathe, removing material as with a random orbit sander (adhesive
backed 6" disks). Hand sanding.

And I've got a belt sander that gets some use as well as smaller 1/4
sheet and 1/3 sheet oscillating sanders.

I can remove material faster and just as cleanly with my 30
year old Craftsman 3 x 21 belt sander as with an ROS -- and
no swirlies to show up too late, after the third finish coat.
Only place the ROS shines is when rubbing out between
coats using Scotchbrite pads. Slap a gray pad onto the
velcro base, and it'll scuff out a 30 x 60 desktop in two minutes.

As I've never had a problem with sandpaper going bad, I like to buy in
"bulk" of 100 - 250 pieces of a particular grit.

I prefer aluminum oxide but am open to suggestions. I ocasionally use
automotive wet/dry silicon carbide for a variety of uses including
sharpening, leveling varnish on a large surface (using mineral spirits
as a lubricant)

While I'm an amateur, I am an advanced amateur concentrating on
heirloom quality furniture. And yes, I do utilize a scraper when it
is appropriate but find that "sand"paper is most useful.

Everything gets scraped or planed here except paints and
varnishes -- even here, scrapers are useful for knocking down
runs. 220 is the usual "starting" grit.

As far as my country, I'm in the good old USA in northwestern New
Hampshire. I have a fully equipped shop. I have been teaching at a
local college since retiring from the venture capital business and
will be again fully retired after this school year.

Hope this makes it easier to answer my original question!

The OP couldn't be bothered to give any helpful information
either..i.e.

What is he sanding?
To what level of finish?
Is he an amateur looking for a 5-pack of sheets?
Is he looking for 1000 lots of discs that fit his 8" Fein?

His request is somewhat like : "what is the price of a car."

I try to be helpful when I can, but I suck at mind-reading.... I don't
even know what country he's in!

r

other than that, most of your points are well taken.

Robatoy wrote:
On Sep 25, 10:25 am, Andy wrote:
Yes. Do a google search.
Wow - at least your reply wasn't insulting like JT's, but it wasn't
the least bit helpful either!

The OP couldn't be bothered to give any helpful information
either..i.e.


When that information is missing, I (rightly or wrongly) assume a
beginner because 1) a pro woodworker won't need to ask the question and
2) a regular poster would know better than to ask such a skimpy question.

The best advice I can give him is to stay away from the Harbor Freight
'sandpaper'. Almost any paper from almost any vendor will be better than
that. Their silicon carbide paper is somewhat better than their
sandpaper, but still nothing to right home about. "Good enough" in the
sense that MS Windrows is 'good enough'.

Hey OP ... whatcha sanding?

Bill

"Gerald Ross" wrote in message
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wrote:

There is no situation, no matter how
miserable, that the government cannot
make worse.

Love the quote in your sig line. It sounds like something Ronald Reagan
would have said. Do you know the source of the quote?

Thanks,
Glen

On Sat, 24 Nov 2007 04:12:25 -0800, "Glen" wrote:


"Gerald Ross" wrote in message
. ..
wrote:

There is no situation, no matter how
miserable, that the government cannot
make worse.

Love the quote in your sig line. It sounds like something Ronald Reagan
would have said. Do you know the source of the quote?

Thanks,
Glen

I've always liked the reply to complaints about high taxes that goes something
like:
"Just be glad that you're not getting all the government that you pay for"


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