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Neandering...
I've got access to a goodly amount of really rough lumber. I've made crude
things out of the stuff in the past, but I'd like to see what more refined things I can do with it. Modern woodworking wisdom would say get a jointer and a planer, but they're both expensive and they take up space. I really don't have room for any more stationary power tools in my shop. Not even mobile/benchtop models. So I'm thinking about neandering... What would Roy Underhill do with a rough-sawn oak board? -- Michael McIntyre ---- Silvan Linux fanatic, and certified Geek; registered Linux user #243621 Confirmed post number: 17581 Approximate word count: 527430 http://www.geocities.com/Paris/Rue/5407/ |
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Neandering...
"Silvan" wrote in message ... I've got access to a goodly amount of really rough lumber. I've made crude things out of the stuff in the past, but I'd like to see what more refined things I can do with it. Modern woodworking wisdom would say get a jointer and a planer, but they're both expensive and they take up space. I really don't have room for any more stationary power tools in my shop. Not even mobile/benchtop models. So I'm thinking about neandering... What would Roy Underhill do with a rough-sawn oak board? -- Michael McIntyre ---- Silvan Linux fanatic, and certified Geek; registered Linux user #243621 Confirmed post number: 17581 Approximate word count: 527430 http://www.geocities.com/Paris/Rue/5407/ Cut off two or three fingers? Is this a trick question? :-) -- Jim in NC |
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On Sun, 7 Sep 2003 00:17:00 -0400, "Morgans"
pixelated: "Silvan" wrote in message ... I've got access to a goodly amount of really rough lumber. I've made crude things out of the stuff in the past, but I'd like to see what more refined things I can do with it. Modern woodworking wisdom would say get a jointer and a planer, but they're both expensive and they take up space. I really don't have room for any more stationary power tools in my shop. Not even mobile/benchtop models. So I'm thinking about neandering... What would Roy Underhill do with a rough-sawn oak board? Cut off two or three fingers? Is this a trick question? :-) Please note that after a gazillion TV shows and decades of woodworking that Our Lord Roy still has all 5 digits on each of his hands. Despite its quaint tendency to leak that bright red stuff (as shown on TV! and in my shop) when even slightly damaged, our skin mostly remains where it was before said damage with only slight dips and bumps to show for it. ------------------------------ Gator: The other white meat! ------------------------------ http://www.diversify.com Comprehensive Website Development |
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Neandering...
"Silvan" wrote in message ... So I'm thinking about neandering... What would Roy Underhill do with a rough-sawn oak board? Call Norm?? Greg |
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Neandering...
Use a scrub plane to level, a jack to surface, and a smooth to finish what
was going to show. Everybody used to do it that way. Once a year I do the same for the kids at school, as much for a history as a woodworking demonstration. I follow with a machine demo. Doctrinaire types have difficulty with the obvious - woodworking is a "good enough" and a "make it fit" activity, not a machine, micrometer and interchangeable parts production. That's what it means to work by hand - things go together after fitting, not direct from the machine. See Jeff Gorman or Patrick Leach's site if you don't have a library or bookstore. "Silvan" wrote in message ... I've got access to a goodly amount of really rough lumber. I've made crude things out of the stuff in the past, but I'd like to see what more refined things I can do with it. Modern woodworking wisdom would say get a jointer and a planer, but they're both expensive and they take up space. I really don't have room for any more stationary power tools in my shop. Not even mobile/benchtop models. So I'm thinking about neandering... What would Roy Underhill do with a rough-sawn oak board? |
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Neandering...
On Sat, 06 Sep 2003 21:28:06 -0400, Silvan
wrote: I've got access to a goodly amount of really rough lumber. I've made crude things out of the stuff in the past, but I'd like to see what more refined things I can do with it. So I'm thinking about neandering... What would Roy Underhill do with a rough-sawn oak board? Make crude things out of the stuff. (and get blood all over the place in the process). Regards, Tom Tom Watson - Woodworker Gulph Mills, Pennsylvania http://users.snip.net/~tjwatson |
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On Sun, 07 Sep 2003 10:08:29 -0400, Tom Watson
pixelated: On Sat, 06 Sep 2003 21:28:06 -0400, Silvan wrote: I've got access to a goodly amount of really rough lumber. I've made crude things out of the stuff in the past, but I'd like to see what more refined things I can do with it. So I'm thinking about neandering... What would Roy Underhill do with a rough-sawn oak board? Make crude things out of the stuff. (and get blood all over the place in the process). Hah! Anyone in a shop who isn't a little bit bloody isn't really working. ------- ------------------------------ Gator: The other white meat! ------------------------------ http://www.diversify.com Comprehensive Website Development |
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[looks at his recently chewed hands]
yup -- Young Carpenter "Violin playing and Woodworking are similar, it takes plenty of money, plenty of practice, and you usually make way more noise than intended" "Larry Jaques" wrote in message news On Sun, 7 Sep 2003 00:17:00 -0400, "Morgans" pixelated: "Silvan" wrote in message ... I've got access to a goodly amount of really rough lumber. I've made crude things out of the stuff in the past, but I'd like to see what more refined things I can do with it. Modern woodworking wisdom would say get a jointer and a planer, but they're both expensive and they take up space. I really don't have room for any more stationary power tools in my shop. Not even mobile/benchtop models. So I'm thinking about neandering... What would Roy Underhill do with a rough-sawn oak board? Cut off two or three fingers? Is this a trick question? :-) Please note that after a gazillion TV shows and decades of woodworking that Our Lord Roy still has all 5 digits on each of his hands. Despite its quaint tendency to leak that bright red stuff (as shown on TV! and in my shop) when even slightly damaged, our skin mostly remains where it was before said damage with only slight dips and bumps to show for it. ------------------------------ Gator: The other white meat! ------------------------------ http://www.diversify.com Comprehensive Website Development -----= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =----- http://www.newsfeeds.com - The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! -----== Over 100,000 Newsgroups - 19 Different Servers! =----- |
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Neandering...
"George" wrote in message
... Doctrinaire types have difficulty with the obvious - woodworking is a "good enough" and a "make it fit" activity, not a machine, micrometer and interchangeable parts production. That's what it means to work by hand - things go together after fitting, not direct from the machine. Learning that very quickly with my present project. -- Young Carpenter "Violin playing and Woodworking are similar, it takes plenty of money, plenty of practice, and you usually make way more noise than intended" -----= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =----- http://www.newsfeeds.com - The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! -----== Over 100,000 Newsgroups - 19 Different Servers! =----- |
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Silvan wrote: I've got access to a goodly amount of really rough lumber. I've made crude things out of the stuff in the past, but I'd like to see what more refined things I can do with it. Modern woodworking wisdom would say get a jointer and a planer, but they're both expensive and they take up space. I really don't have room for any more stationary power tools in my shop. Not even mobile/benchtop models. So I'm thinking about neandering... What would Roy Underhill do with a rough-sawn oak board? I guess the first question is based on the number and type of planes that you own. So Far. If you can, this is the time to run away. Planes can be a trifle addictive, and unfortunately there are a lot of different brands and models,as well as types. Boggles the mind, POs the SWMBO. Advance at your own risk. Dave in Fairfax -- reply-to doesn't work use: daveldr at att dot net |
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Silvan wrote in message ...
wrote: [snip] Advance at your own risk. Yeah -- the addiction is incredible!! Oh, and I own a jointer (but not a planer -- I'm too busy buying planes right now to bother with that [snip] So I'd be looking at buying some hand planes. Give Steve Knight a hollar (http://www.knight-toolworks.com). Oh, and be prepared for some serious drooling. For a good article on wood planes vs metal planes check out: http://www.liwoodworkers.org/media/n...tterJune03.pdf And one on our good friend Steve: http://www.liwoodworkers.org/media/n...etterAug03.pdf Then check out www.leevalley.com as well -- Veritas Sharpening Jig a must: http://www.leevalley.com/wood/page.a...ren cy=2&SID= Then get converted to Scary Sharp(TM): http://www.shavings.net/SCARY.HTM And you'll probably want a bench with a face vice at least, and some bench dogs for sure (lee valley has hardware galore if you need it -- woodcraft/rockler/etc do as well). Good luck, and welcome to the group of addicts, err...whatever you call it. (Oh, and I still plan to buy/use a planer and my jointer still gets plenty of time, so I bounce back and forth between both camps...) Mike |
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Neandering...
You can buy a good sharpening jig for less than $15.00. That piece of
granite you have laying around will make a great scarysharp plate. That plane you have is very useful. Depth adjustment is done the same as on a wooden plane. With a mallet. Takes a bit of practice but is not hard. "Silvan" wrote in message ... wrote: I own one cheap Stanley block plane. The iron is screwed up from botched attempts to sharpen it. It needs to be ground, lapped, honed, etc. and I don't yet have any of the right sort of jiggery to ensure a successful job at that, so the plane is pretty much useless. I think it would be all but useless anyway based on looking through catalogs and whatnot. It has no depth adjustment, and it's difficult to set it up even when the iron is sharp. |
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CW wrote:
You can buy a good sharpening jig for less than $15.00. That piece of I need one for sure. granite you have laying around will make a great scarysharp plate. That I have a lot of pieces of granite laying around, so I don't have to use the gigantic one for this. I built a little sidewalk out of the stuff, but I still have several scraps about the size of your average sharpening stone. I finally stopped bringing it home because I ran out of uses for it, but I have a pretty much infinite supply if anyone wants me to mail them a chunk of shiny granite. (Ignore the coffee grounds... Yes, it comes out of a Dumpster...) I definitely need to learn how to sharpen properly. I spent a good bit of time today working on this iron without proper tools, and basically, I need to buy a lot of stuff in order to be able to do this. I've got the book, but none of the equipment, and the equipment isn't available locally. Mail order is a PITA without credit cards, but it looks like that's the way I need to go if I ever want to move forward with sharpening. My new, out of the box Marples chisels are considerably sharper than my poor attempts at sharpening my old Stanley chisels, but they're starting to dull already. I figure I'll start practicing on the cheap chisels, and then work up to this plane iron, and then try to sharpen my good chisels. Using sharp tools sure is a joy. I cut some recesses into the side of a wooden locomotive without touching a mallet, and without cutting myself due to loss of control. That was just with the factory Record edge, which I understand isn't terribly sharp. plane you have is very useful. Depth adjustment is done the same as on a wooden plane. With a mallet. Takes a bit of practice but is not hard. I need to flatten the sole too. I tried to use it today, after getting the iron somewhat almost sort of kind of better than it was, and I have a long way to go before I master this Neandering stuff. I think learning how to sharpen stuff should be my next big project. I've been hacking stuff together out of wood for years now, and I still can't sharpen anything more delicate than a machete worth a damn. -- Michael McIntyre ---- Silvan Linux fanatic, and certified Geek; registered Linux user #243621 Confirmed post number: 17662 Approximate word count: 529860 http://www.geocities.com/Paris/Rue/5407/ |
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I think it is you who is doing the misreading. Silvan wrote the post that I
was responding to and that is who I attributed it to. As far as using the mallet on the plane, adjusting them in that manner will not warp it and the block plane that he had was the type without lateral or depth adjustment. That's the way those work. wrote in message ... snip of misread post CW wrote: wrote: I own one cheap Stanley block plane. The iron is screwed up from botched attempts to sharpen it. It needs to be ground, lapped, honed, etc. and I don't yet have any of the right sort of jiggery to ensure a successful job at that, so the plane is pretty much useless. I think it would be all but useless anyway based on looking through catalogs and whatnot. It has no depth adjustment, and it's difficult to set it up even when the iron is sharp. That wasn't me writing that. I own a lot of planes, woodies as well as metal bodies and I would never use a mallett on a metal bodied plane. I responded to this off-line rather than burn bandwidth. You are right that the plane is salvable, but if you go around whacking a metal plane it won't be for long. Warps the plane. Dave in Fairfax -- reply-to doesn't work use: daveldr at att dot net |
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that the plane is salvable, but if you go around whacking a metal plane it won't be for long. Warps the plane. I'll remember that. I haven't gotten that far yet anyway. I'm trying to flatten the sole. Is there a better way than using my belt sander? It's still got some curvature around the perimeter of the casting, and one low spot (or high spot, depending on how you look at it) that hasn't been hit yet somewhat off the centerline. There's a fairly broad, flat area all the way around now, but I'm not down to the point where the entire thing is perfectly flat. This after running with the thing duct taped to my belt sander for over an hour. It seems "flat enough" to me, but I'm not sure if I should go the extra distance or not. -- Michael McIntyre ---- Silvan Linux fanatic, and certified Geek; registered Linux user #243621 Confirmed post number: 17672 Approximate word count: 530160 http://www.geocities.com/Paris/Rue/5407/ |
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"Silvan" wrote in message ... wrote: that the plane is salvable, but if you go around whacking a metal plane it won't be for long. Warps the plane. I'll remember that. Forget it. Not true. Tapping with a mallet to adjust wouldn't hurt it a bit and is common practice on planes without adjusters. I haven't gotten that far yet anyway. I'm trying to flatten the sole. Is there a better way than using my belt sander? It's still got some curvature around the perimeter of the casting, and one low spot (or high spot, depending on how you look at it) that hasn't been hit yet somewhat off the centerline. There's a fairly broad, flat area all the way around now, but I'm not down to the point where the entire thing is perfectly flat. This after running with the thing duct taped to my belt sander for over an hour. It seems "flat enough" to me, but I'm not sure if I should go the extra distance or not. Be careful with the belt sander. It is very easy to do more harm than good with one. Take the belt off that thing and cut it so it lays flat. Put that on that piece of granite of yours and finish it by hand. For it to perform well, it needs to be flat all over, not just in spots. -- Michael McIntyre ---- Silvan Linux fanatic, and certified Geek; registered Linux user #243621 Confirmed post number: 17672 Approximate word count: 530160 http://www.geocities.com/Paris/Rue/5407/ |
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On Fri, 12 Sep 2003 02:45:19 GMT, "CW"
scribbled "Silvan" wrote in message ... wrote: that the plane is salvable, but if you go around whacking a metal plane it won't be for long. Warps the plane. I'll remember that. Forget it. Not true. Tapping with a mallet to adjust wouldn't hurt it a bit and is common practice on planes without adjusters. Achshally, I broke off the bullnose end of the casting on my Stanley #130 double end block plane by tapping it. Maybe it was because the casting is pretty thin at that point. But it should be OK on other planes. Be careful with the belt sander. It is very easy to do more harm than good with one. Take the belt off that thing and cut it so it lays flat. Put that on that piece of granite of yours and finish it by hand. For it to perform well, it needs to be flat all over, not just in spots. Listen to Clint on that one, or use a glass shelf. That's how I've flattened my planes. Luigi Replace "no" with "yk" twice in reply address for real email address |
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Luigi Zanasi wrote in
: On Fri, 12 Sep 2003 02:45:19 GMT, "CW" scribbled "Silvan" wrote in message ... wrote: that the plane is salvable, but if you go around whacking a metal plane it won't be for long. Warps the plane. I'll remember that. Forget it. Not true. Tapping with a mallet to adjust wouldn't hurt it a bit and is common practice on planes without adjusters. Achshally, I broke off the bullnose end of the casting on my Stanley #130 double end block plane by tapping it. Maybe it was because the casting is pretty thin at that point. But it should be OK on other planes. Be careful with the belt sander. It is very easy to do more harm than good with one. Take the belt off that thing and cut it so it lays flat. Put that on that piece of granite of yours and finish it by hand. For it to perform well, it needs to be flat all over, not just in spots. Listen to Clint on that one, or use a glass shelf. That's how I've flattened my planes. Luigi Replace "no" with "yk" twice in reply address for real email address I know this may be a semi-religous question, but have you found any real value in joining the 'flat plane society' ? I've amassed a fairly decent selection of nice, old Stanley users, and that's the one thing I've never bothered to do. I've never measured for 'anti flatness' on any of the soles of the planes; I have done a gross sanity check with a straightedge, and while there's the occaisonal glimmer of light betwixt the two (and that reminds me, now that I've got a Starrett square, I should revisit this), none of the Stanley's are anything at all like the POS buck bro's that I wasted my money on. Which is to say, they've all been pretty flat. OTOH, I've found a lot of value in making sure the frog seats well, the mouth is clean, etc, etc .... so I'm curious about this. Regards, JT |
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CW wrote:
Be careful with the belt sander. It is very easy to do more harm than good with one. Take the belt off that thing and cut it so it lays flat. Put Or, um, buy an inexpensive pack chock full of sandpaper and avoid destroying a $6 belt. Seriously though, how much risk of harm is there? It's a stationary belt sander, not a portable one, and the platten is quite flat. I'll go check it with a piece of granite tomorrow, but I'd bet it's just as flat. Maybe I'm in for a surprise. that on that piece of granite of yours and finish it by hand. For it to perform well, it needs to be flat all over, not just in spots. Hmmm... Along these lines... I wonder if I could flatten my warped table saw (aluminum) with a piece of self-stick sandpaper affixed to a block of granite. I have some big blocks of granite maybe 4" wide and 14" long. I could use several sheets stuck edge to edge or whatever it took. Let the weight do the job, and just slide it back and forth... Maybe I could get it flat, or closer to being flat. I can't set the blade perpendicular to the table on both sides of the table simultaneously, which is rather unsettling to say the least. Replacing the saw is a subject that has been beaten to death already, but I'm stuck with it for some time yet. I tuned it up, and have been impressed with the new-found quality of my cuts until today, when I noticed that my rips are still some fraction of a degree off 90. I want to dial it the rest of the way, and it's damn near impossible. Of course the table surface itself could be entirely to blame. This was narrow stock, and I'll bet it went right into the dip on the left side of the blade... I was probably testing with wider stock, which would tend to average out the problem by riding on the high spots. Mostly thinking out loud, sorry... -- Michael McIntyre ---- Silvan Linux fanatic, and certified Geek; registered Linux user #243621 Confirmed post number: 17693 Approximate word count: 530790 http://www.geocities.com/Paris/Rue/5407/ |
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On Fri, 12 Sep 2003 23:44:59 +0000 (UTC), John Thomas
queried: I know this may be a semi-religous question, but have you found any real value in joining the 'flat plane society' ? I've amassed a fairly decent selection of nice, old Stanley users, and that's the one thing I've never bothered to do. I've never measured for 'anti flatness' on any of the soles of the planes; I have done a gross sanity check with a straightedge, and while there's the occaisonal glimmer of light betwixt the two (and that reminds me, now that I've got a Starrett square, I should revisit this), none of the Stanley's are anything at all like the POS buck bro's that I wasted my money on. Which is to say, they've all been pretty flat. Well, my circa 1919 #7C rocked when it was put on a flat surface, so I just assumed the galoots on the wreck were right about removing twist in the sole when I first started lurking here about 1996. I also have a warped #32 Transitional (wooden body with regular Stanley hardware to hold the blade), and it's pretty hard to joint an edge with it. I haven't got around to fixing it up yet other than sharpening the blade, as I will also have to mortise in a patch to make the mouth smaller. I'm not too hung up about seeing slivers of light. I figure that as long as the mouth, toe and heel are in a plane, and no bumps sticking out in between, it should be OK. After all, that's how the japanese flatten their planes. Which reminds me, I also have a Footprint jack plane where the mouth was higher than most of the sole. Noticeable improvement after flattening. I could not take thin shavings before, now I can. OTOH, I've found a lot of value in making sure the frog seats well, the mouth is clean, etc, etc .... so I'm curious about this. Agree on that. Luigi Replace "no" with "yk" twice in reply address for real email address |
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"John Thomas" : I know this may be a semi-religous question, but have you found any real : value in joining the 'flat plane society' ? Some might see the light by looking at my web site - Planing Notes - Join The Flat Sole Brigade. 'Coping With Gnarly Grain' might possibly convince those who need a high standard of finish. Jeff G -- Jeff Gorman, West Yorkshire, UK Email address is username@ISP username is amgron ISP is clara.co.uk www.amgron.clara.net |
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