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Neandering...
I've got access to a goodly amount of really rough lumber. I've made crude
things out of the stuff in the past, but I'd like to see what more refined things I can do with it. Modern woodworking wisdom would say get a jointer and a planer, but they're both expensive and they take up space. I really don't have room for any more stationary power tools in my shop. Not even mobile/benchtop models. So I'm thinking about neandering... What would Roy Underhill do with a rough-sawn oak board? -- Michael McIntyre ---- Silvan Linux fanatic, and certified Geek; registered Linux user #243621 Confirmed post number: 17581 Approximate word count: 527430 http://www.geocities.com/Paris/Rue/5407/ |
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Neandering...
"Silvan" wrote in message ... I've got access to a goodly amount of really rough lumber. I've made crude things out of the stuff in the past, but I'd like to see what more refined things I can do with it. Modern woodworking wisdom would say get a jointer and a planer, but they're both expensive and they take up space. I really don't have room for any more stationary power tools in my shop. Not even mobile/benchtop models. So I'm thinking about neandering... What would Roy Underhill do with a rough-sawn oak board? -- Michael McIntyre ---- Silvan Linux fanatic, and certified Geek; registered Linux user #243621 Confirmed post number: 17581 Approximate word count: 527430 http://www.geocities.com/Paris/Rue/5407/ Cut off two or three fingers? Is this a trick question? :-) -- Jim in NC |
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Neandering...
On Sun, 7 Sep 2003 00:17:00 -0400, "Morgans"
pixelated: "Silvan" wrote in message ... I've got access to a goodly amount of really rough lumber. I've made crude things out of the stuff in the past, but I'd like to see what more refined things I can do with it. Modern woodworking wisdom would say get a jointer and a planer, but they're both expensive and they take up space. I really don't have room for any more stationary power tools in my shop. Not even mobile/benchtop models. So I'm thinking about neandering... What would Roy Underhill do with a rough-sawn oak board? Cut off two or three fingers? Is this a trick question? :-) Please note that after a gazillion TV shows and decades of woodworking that Our Lord Roy still has all 5 digits on each of his hands. Despite its quaint tendency to leak that bright red stuff (as shown on TV! and in my shop) when even slightly damaged, our skin mostly remains where it was before said damage with only slight dips and bumps to show for it. ------------------------------ Gator: The other white meat! ------------------------------ http://www.diversify.com Comprehensive Website Development |
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Neandering...
[looks at his recently chewed hands]
yup -- Young Carpenter "Violin playing and Woodworking are similar, it takes plenty of money, plenty of practice, and you usually make way more noise than intended" "Larry Jaques" wrote in message news On Sun, 7 Sep 2003 00:17:00 -0400, "Morgans" pixelated: "Silvan" wrote in message ... I've got access to a goodly amount of really rough lumber. I've made crude things out of the stuff in the past, but I'd like to see what more refined things I can do with it. Modern woodworking wisdom would say get a jointer and a planer, but they're both expensive and they take up space. I really don't have room for any more stationary power tools in my shop. Not even mobile/benchtop models. So I'm thinking about neandering... What would Roy Underhill do with a rough-sawn oak board? Cut off two or three fingers? Is this a trick question? :-) Please note that after a gazillion TV shows and decades of woodworking that Our Lord Roy still has all 5 digits on each of his hands. Despite its quaint tendency to leak that bright red stuff (as shown on TV! and in my shop) when even slightly damaged, our skin mostly remains where it was before said damage with only slight dips and bumps to show for it. ------------------------------ Gator: The other white meat! ------------------------------ http://www.diversify.com Comprehensive Website Development -----= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =----- http://www.newsfeeds.com - The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! -----== Over 100,000 Newsgroups - 19 Different Servers! =----- |
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Neandering...
"Silvan" wrote in message ... So I'm thinking about neandering... What would Roy Underhill do with a rough-sawn oak board? Call Norm?? Greg |
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Neandering...
Use a scrub plane to level, a jack to surface, and a smooth to finish what
was going to show. Everybody used to do it that way. Once a year I do the same for the kids at school, as much for a history as a woodworking demonstration. I follow with a machine demo. Doctrinaire types have difficulty with the obvious - woodworking is a "good enough" and a "make it fit" activity, not a machine, micrometer and interchangeable parts production. That's what it means to work by hand - things go together after fitting, not direct from the machine. See Jeff Gorman or Patrick Leach's site if you don't have a library or bookstore. "Silvan" wrote in message ... I've got access to a goodly amount of really rough lumber. I've made crude things out of the stuff in the past, but I'd like to see what more refined things I can do with it. Modern woodworking wisdom would say get a jointer and a planer, but they're both expensive and they take up space. I really don't have room for any more stationary power tools in my shop. Not even mobile/benchtop models. So I'm thinking about neandering... What would Roy Underhill do with a rough-sawn oak board? |
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Neandering...
"George" wrote in message
... Doctrinaire types have difficulty with the obvious - woodworking is a "good enough" and a "make it fit" activity, not a machine, micrometer and interchangeable parts production. That's what it means to work by hand - things go together after fitting, not direct from the machine. Learning that very quickly with my present project. -- Young Carpenter "Violin playing and Woodworking are similar, it takes plenty of money, plenty of practice, and you usually make way more noise than intended" -----= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =----- http://www.newsfeeds.com - The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! -----== Over 100,000 Newsgroups - 19 Different Servers! =----- |
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Neandering...
On Sat, 06 Sep 2003 21:28:06 -0400, Silvan
wrote: I've got access to a goodly amount of really rough lumber. I've made crude things out of the stuff in the past, but I'd like to see what more refined things I can do with it. So I'm thinking about neandering... What would Roy Underhill do with a rough-sawn oak board? Make crude things out of the stuff. (and get blood all over the place in the process). Regards, Tom Tom Watson - Woodworker Gulph Mills, Pennsylvania http://users.snip.net/~tjwatson |
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On Sun, 07 Sep 2003 10:08:29 -0400, Tom Watson
pixelated: On Sat, 06 Sep 2003 21:28:06 -0400, Silvan wrote: I've got access to a goodly amount of really rough lumber. I've made crude things out of the stuff in the past, but I'd like to see what more refined things I can do with it. So I'm thinking about neandering... What would Roy Underhill do with a rough-sawn oak board? Make crude things out of the stuff. (and get blood all over the place in the process). Hah! Anyone in a shop who isn't a little bit bloody isn't really working. ------- ------------------------------ Gator: The other white meat! ------------------------------ http://www.diversify.com Comprehensive Website Development |
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Neandering...
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Silvan wrote: I've got access to a goodly amount of really rough lumber. I've made crude things out of the stuff in the past, but I'd like to see what more refined things I can do with it. Modern woodworking wisdom would say get a jointer and a planer, but they're both expensive and they take up space. I really don't have room for any more stationary power tools in my shop. Not even mobile/benchtop models. So I'm thinking about neandering... What would Roy Underhill do with a rough-sawn oak board? I guess the first question is based on the number and type of planes that you own. So Far. If you can, this is the time to run away. Planes can be a trifle addictive, and unfortunately there are a lot of different brands and models,as well as types. Boggles the mind, POs the SWMBO. Advance at your own risk. Dave in Fairfax -- reply-to doesn't work use: daveldr at att dot net |
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Silvan wrote in message ...
wrote: [snip] Advance at your own risk. Yeah -- the addiction is incredible!! Oh, and I own a jointer (but not a planer -- I'm too busy buying planes right now to bother with that [snip] So I'd be looking at buying some hand planes. Give Steve Knight a hollar (http://www.knight-toolworks.com). Oh, and be prepared for some serious drooling. For a good article on wood planes vs metal planes check out: http://www.liwoodworkers.org/media/n...tterJune03.pdf And one on our good friend Steve: http://www.liwoodworkers.org/media/n...etterAug03.pdf Then check out www.leevalley.com as well -- Veritas Sharpening Jig a must: http://www.leevalley.com/wood/page.a...ren cy=2&SID= Then get converted to Scary Sharp(TM): http://www.shavings.net/SCARY.HTM And you'll probably want a bench with a face vice at least, and some bench dogs for sure (lee valley has hardware galore if you need it -- woodcraft/rockler/etc do as well). Good luck, and welcome to the group of addicts, err...whatever you call it. (Oh, and I still plan to buy/use a planer and my jointer still gets plenty of time, so I bounce back and forth between both camps...) Mike |
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Neandering...
You can buy a good sharpening jig for less than $15.00. That piece of
granite you have laying around will make a great scarysharp plate. That plane you have is very useful. Depth adjustment is done the same as on a wooden plane. With a mallet. Takes a bit of practice but is not hard. "Silvan" wrote in message ... wrote: I own one cheap Stanley block plane. The iron is screwed up from botched attempts to sharpen it. It needs to be ground, lapped, honed, etc. and I don't yet have any of the right sort of jiggery to ensure a successful job at that, so the plane is pretty much useless. I think it would be all but useless anyway based on looking through catalogs and whatnot. It has no depth adjustment, and it's difficult to set it up even when the iron is sharp. |
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Neandering...
CW wrote:
You can buy a good sharpening jig for less than $15.00. That piece of I need one for sure. granite you have laying around will make a great scarysharp plate. That I have a lot of pieces of granite laying around, so I don't have to use the gigantic one for this. I built a little sidewalk out of the stuff, but I still have several scraps about the size of your average sharpening stone. I finally stopped bringing it home because I ran out of uses for it, but I have a pretty much infinite supply if anyone wants me to mail them a chunk of shiny granite. (Ignore the coffee grounds... Yes, it comes out of a Dumpster...) I definitely need to learn how to sharpen properly. I spent a good bit of time today working on this iron without proper tools, and basically, I need to buy a lot of stuff in order to be able to do this. I've got the book, but none of the equipment, and the equipment isn't available locally. Mail order is a PITA without credit cards, but it looks like that's the way I need to go if I ever want to move forward with sharpening. My new, out of the box Marples chisels are considerably sharper than my poor attempts at sharpening my old Stanley chisels, but they're starting to dull already. I figure I'll start practicing on the cheap chisels, and then work up to this plane iron, and then try to sharpen my good chisels. Using sharp tools sure is a joy. I cut some recesses into the side of a wooden locomotive without touching a mallet, and without cutting myself due to loss of control. That was just with the factory Record edge, which I understand isn't terribly sharp. plane you have is very useful. Depth adjustment is done the same as on a wooden plane. With a mallet. Takes a bit of practice but is not hard. I need to flatten the sole too. I tried to use it today, after getting the iron somewhat almost sort of kind of better than it was, and I have a long way to go before I master this Neandering stuff. I think learning how to sharpen stuff should be my next big project. I've been hacking stuff together out of wood for years now, and I still can't sharpen anything more delicate than a machete worth a damn. -- Michael McIntyre ---- Silvan Linux fanatic, and certified Geek; registered Linux user #243621 Confirmed post number: 17662 Approximate word count: 529860 http://www.geocities.com/Paris/Rue/5407/ |
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