So my Dewalt DW621 has died. Said it would cost around $160 to fix. Time
for a new router. I started looking into the 2 1/4 HP Triton and quickly
found that availability is quite scarce. Either way, they are priced at
around $189-$200+. I discovered the 3 1/4 HP is more available but is
going for around $300, until I checked Woodcraft. They've got the 3 1/4 HP
TRC001 for $214, only $5 more than the 2 1/4 HP version. Considering this
will be largely used in a table, I figured what the hay and ordered it.
Now, there's a small anomaly with their site. It looks like they've fixed
it today but yesterday they listed it as the TRC001 router but yet when you
checked out, it showed up as the TRA001. According to the Tech guy, Doug,
they are one and the same. One comes from Australia and the other from
Canada. So anyway, I ordered and it's due here Saturday so if you're at
all interested in which model I get, I can let you know. Either way, it
appears to be a decent deal.
Cheers,
cc

http://www.woodcraft.com/family.aspx?familyid=4519

They have had it for that price for 6 or 8 months. Good luck.
"James "Cubby" Culbertson" wrote in message
. ..
So my Dewalt DW621 has died. Said it would cost around $160 to fix.
Time for a new router. I started looking into the 2 1/4 HP Triton and
quickly found that availability is quite scarce. Either way, they are
priced at around $189-$200+. I discovered the 3 1/4 HP is more available
but is going for around $300, until I checked Woodcraft. They've got the
3 1/4 HP TRC001 for $214, only $5 more than the 2 1/4 HP version.
Considering this will be largely used in a table, I figured what the hay
and ordered it. Now, there's a small anomaly with their site. It looks
like they've fixed it today but yesterday they listed it as the TRC001
router but yet when you checked out, it showed up as the TRA001.
According to the Tech guy, Doug, they are one and the same. One comes
from Australia and the other from Canada. So anyway, I ordered and it's
due here Saturday so if you're at all interested in which model I get, I
can let you know. Either way, it appears to be a decent deal.
Cheers,
cc

http://www.woodcraft.com/family.aspx?familyid=4519

On May 3, 9:55 pm, "James \"Cubby\" Culbertson"
wrote:

SNIP

So anyway, I ordered and it's due here Saturday so if you're at all interested in which model I get, I can let you know. Either way, it
appears to be a decent deal.
Cheers,
cc


More than exactly what you got, I would be more interested in how you
like it. I have had PC, Bosch and DeWalt routers for years. Each
took a little to get used to, but not much.

But there was something abou that Triton I just never got comfortable
with. I don't really know what it was, maybe just too long a time
with other tools. But it never really felt right in my hands. If you
park this one under a table it should be a delight, but if you do any
handwork with it, I would like to hear what you think.

BTW, what happened to the 621 that is so damned expensive to repair?
Is the shop just drilling you ($160!!!), or did soemthing catastrophic
happen? Were you using it under a table?

Inquiring minds, you know...

Robert

"James "Cubby" Culbertson" wrote in message
. ..
Canada. So anyway, I ordered and it's due here Saturday so if you're at
all interested in which model I get, I can let you know. Either way, it
appears to be a decent deal.

I've had one in a table for over a year. I am still very, very pleased with
it. I love the bit changing. I have a Dewalt 621 which I use just for
handheld use. The only "issue" I had was the port for a vacuum connection.
Its a really, really oddball threaded size and I never could find anything
to connect to it, so I gave up and worked out dust collection under the
table instead.

Bob

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But there was something abou that Triton I just never got comfortable
with. I don't really know what it was, maybe just too long a time
with other tools.

Maybe because it is "BUTT UGLY".

I have had one almost 3 years now and it hangs upside down in a Bench Dog
router table. I have never used it free hand.

But it never really felt right in my hands. If you
park this one under a table it should be a delight, but if you do any
handwork with it, I would like to hear what you think.

IMHO almost perfect under the table. Some reviews claim that it is tough to
get to the controlls with it hanging upside down. I suppose they never
heard of turning the unit around. I have mine hanging so that the lock
lever, coarse height adjustment knob, and fine tune adjustment knob are on
the right side. The on/off switch which has to be turned on and off
mechanically so that you can raise the bit for removal is located on the
back left side. You soon learn to feel and blindly push the guard door over
and turn the unit on with your left hand after changing bits. The speed
control is hidden on the bottom of the back side. I use a mirror to see and
change the speed controll dial when I need to to that, Or you can lift the
unit out of the table and look directly at the dial if you have it mounted
on a removable plate. I keep my plate screwed down. Collet tightening and
loosening requires about 1/16 of a turn from full loose to full tight. That
takes a bit of getting used to and is not a problem when the router is
mounted in a table. Having to hold the router with one hand and the wrench
in another hand might be more troublesome in a free hand set up. This is
where the better "two wrench" collet set up would be much better. Under the
table the locking shaft and single wrench work out fine.

I currently have an "old" B&D, and 2 Bosch routers. This Triton replaced
the Big Bosch Plunge router under the table. Fit and finish is not as good
as the other routers but performs every bit as good as the other routers.

The speed EVS seems to do well when spinning raised panel bits.

I bought the router when the price was a bit north of $300 and still feel
that it is worth that amount. Knowing today that you can typically get the
router for at least $75 cheaper does not make me think that I should have
waited.

Pontiac Aztec ugly, keep it hidden behind doors in a router cabinet and
you'll be fine. ;~)

On Thu, 3 May 2007 20:55:54 -0600, "James \"Cubby\" Culbertson"
wrote:

So my Dewalt DW621 has died. Said it would cost around $160 to fix. Time
for a new router. I started looking into the 2 1/4 HP Triton and quickly
found that availability is quite scarce. Either way, they are priced at
around $189-$200+. I discovered the 3 1/4 HP is more available but is
going for around $300, until I checked Woodcraft. They've got the 3 1/4 HP
TRC001 for $214, only $5 more than the 2 1/4 HP version. Considering this
will be largely used in a table, I figured what the hay and ordered it.
Now, there's a small anomaly with their site. It looks like they've fixed
it today but yesterday they listed it as the TRC001 router but yet when you
checked out, it showed up as the TRA001. According to the Tech guy, Doug,
they are one and the same. One comes from Australia and the other from
Canada. So anyway, I ordered and it's due here Saturday so if you're at
all interested in which model I get, I can let you know. Either way, it
appears to be a decent deal.
Cheers,
cc

http://www.woodcraft.com/family.aspx?familyid=4519

CC, I would phone Triton US, they have a toll free number, and verify
that there is no difference between the A and the C. I remember
reading on an Australian forum that several improvements have been
made on the C.
R!

On May 4, 7:49 am, "Leon" wrote:

Maybe because it is "BUTT UGLY".

No kidding! I thought I was the only one. Everyone raves about this
machine so much I just kept quiet.

I have had one almost 3 years now and it hangs upside down in a Bench Dog router table. I have never used it free hand.

I love the way my DW625 feels in the hand since i made a large 3/8
inch pheonlic base for it. It is like a portable milling machine.
But in fairness, it spends almost all its time hanging upside down in
the table, too.

I bought the router when the price was a bit north of $300 and still feel
that it is worth that amount. Knowing today that you can typically get the router for at least $75 cheaper does not make me think that I should have waited.

Now that tells you that you made a wise purchase. Appreciate the
machine review. I had never seen much from anyone that used them,
just used one a little to try it out. The only other source of info
has been the wood mags which have all flogged it to death.

Robert

wrote in message

has been the wood mags which have all flogged it to death.

The woodworking magazine version of the recording studio magazine version of
another article on Phil Ramone.

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wrote in message
oups.com...
On May 3, 9:55 pm, "James \"Cubby\" Culbertson"
wrote:

SNIP
More than exactly what you got, I would be more interested in how you
like it. I have had PC, Bosch and DeWalt routers for years. Each
took a little to get used to, but not much.


I'll report back after I get it and put a few boards through it. It's going
into a table setup so I'm hoping it'll work well in that application.

But there was something abou that Triton I just never got comfortable
with. I don't really know what it was, maybe just too long a time
with other tools. But it never really felt right in my hands. If you
park this one under a table it should be a delight, but if you do any
handwork with it, I would like to hear what you think.

Yeah, it seems a bit "clunky" for a handheld. I plan eventually to replace
my DW621 with something I can use handheld.

BTW, what happened to the 621 that is so damned expensive to repair?
Is the shop just drilling you ($160!!!), or did soemthing catastrophic
happen? Were you using it under a table?


I was using the DW621 in a table, for about 95% of it's life (5 years). I
was routing a groove and it made a strange noise. I finished the groove
and when I turned it off, I knew something was wrong. The bit stopped
spinning almost immediately when I powered it down. I took it all apart and
discovered the fan was rubbing against the lower part of the housing. Took
it in and they said the bearings , armature, brush holders, and ?? all
needed replacing. Hell, the armature alone is like $90.

Inquiring minds, you know...

Robert

"ROY!" wrote in message
...
CC, I would phone Triton US, they have a toll free number, and verify
that there is no difference between the A and the C. I remember
reading on an Australian forum that several improvements have been
made on the C.
R!

Yeah, I found that out after posting this. I did see however that the "C"
model does incorporate a number of improvements so when I ordered from
Woodcraft, I made sure that's what they were sending. I see now their
webpage says it's the "TRA" model. I'll be curious to see what ends up on
my doorstep tomorrow.
cc

On May 4, 12:45 pm, "Swingman" wrote:

The woodworking magazine version of the recording studio magazine version of
another article on Phil Ramone.


I'll bet.

I can only imagine (of course while humming "hey, ho, let's go!")

Hey... at least it wasn't "I Wanna Be Sedated"!

Robert

On May 5, 3:55 am, "
wrote:
On May 4, 12:45 pm, "Swingman" wrote:

The woodworking magazine version of the recording studio magazine version of
another article on Phil Ramone.

I'll bet.

I can only imagine (of course while humming "hey, ho, let's go!")

Hey... at least it wasn't "I Wanna Be Sedated"!

That would have been Joey Ramone. No relation to Phil that I know of.
Still, The Ramones did the penultimate version of What A Wonderful
World.
Great band. Refreshing.
Offspring does a nice version of "I Wanna Be Sedated"!

On May 5, 11:59 am, Robatoy wrote:

On May 4, 12:45 pm, "Swingman" wrote:

The woodworking magazine version of the recording studio magazine version of
another article on Phil Ramone.

That would have been Joey Ramone. No relation to Phil that I know of. Still, The Ramones did the penultimate version of What A Wonderful World.
Great band. Refreshing.
Offspring does a nice version of "I Wanna Be Sedated"!

Well, Swing shot that one right over my head!

I never could keep any of the Ramones straight after I found out none
of them had the name "Ramone" and that they only took it as an
affectation for the band.

I thought Phil Ramone actually produced the Ramones, but an internet
look at his body of work revealed there was not a remote chance that
he did.

Robert

On May 5, 1:31 pm, "
wrote:


I thought Phil Ramone actually produced the Ramones, but an internet
look at his body of work revealed there was not a remote chance that
he did.

I don't think The Ramones were ever produced..G

On May 5, 1:21 pm, Robatoy wrote:

I don't think The Ramones were ever produced..G

Hah! With that level of joyful mayhem, you are probably 100% right!

Robert

On May 5, 3:40 pm, "
wrote:
On May 5, 1:21 pm, Robatoy wrote:



I don't think The Ramones were ever produced..G

Hah! With that level of joyful mayhem, you are probably 100% right!

Robert

Indeed. I like a little carnage in my music once in a while.

Sarnia, Ontario, my home town, is hosting another Bayfest with a big
line-up.
Nickelback, Toby Keith. Aerosmith, Def Leapard...NONE of which
interest me... well maybe a few songs by Keith because he always has a
great band... but not for that kinda money


http://www.sarniabayfest.com/

What I want is an evening with The Brian Setzer Orchestra.

On 5 May 2007 11:21:15 -0700, Robatoy wrote:

On May 5, 1:31 pm, "
wrote:


I thought Phil Ramone actually produced the Ramones, but an internet
look at his body of work revealed there was not a remote chance that
he did.

I don't think The Ramones were ever produced..G



Right!

I as working in a NYC rehearsal studio ~ 1988, with The Ramones in
another room on the same floor. The bathrooms were located off the
common hallway / elevator lobby.

Whenever someone would open the door to The Ramones' room to head out
to the men's room, it sounded like a jet was landing on the roof.
There was simply a brutal wall of sound that just hammered the
building, almost like compressed air!

It was great... G

Another tenant on the same floor was Kiss, who had nothing on the
sheer volume of The Ramones.

"James "Cubby" Culbertson" wrote in message
. ..
So anyway, I ordered and it's due here Saturday so if you're at
all interested in which model I get, I can let you know. Either way, it
appears to be a decent deal.
Cheers,
cc


Ok, the router arrived today. It came in a box labelled TRA001.
However, the nameplate on the router itself says TRC001. It doesn't have a
dust guard for the switch and I understand that is one upgrade they did to
the TRC001 so now I'm confused. In any case, I'm keeping it and calling
them Monday for the dust shield. Gonna try mounting it in my table tonight.
I'm building a crib and this kid's growing fast so I gotta get the thing
done!
Cheers,
cc

On Sun, 6 May 2007 09:45:41 -0600, "Swingman" wrote:


"B A R R Y" wrote in message

Whenever someone would open the door to The Ramones' room to head out
to the men's room, it sounded like a jet was landing on the roof.
There was simply a brutal wall of sound that just hammered the
building, almost like compressed air!

It was great... G

And a total waste of recording technology, nonetheless.

Think of it as destructive testing then it is not a waste.

Mark
(sixoneeight) = 618

Swingman wrote:
: wrote in message

: I thought Phil Ramone actually produced the Ramones, but an internet
: look at his body of work revealed there was not a remote chance that
: he did.

: LOL ... you're right about that. He is known by recording
: engineers/producers for his "wall of sound" techniques back in the glory
: days of the recording studio/record company method of album production, and
: has since had more magazine articles about him than the ultimate router
: table ... and recently a mysterious murder, to boot.


Um, no. That's Phil Spector. Phil Ramone is a very different guy.

-- Andy Barss

wrote in message

I thought Phil Ramone actually produced the Ramones, but an internet
look at his body of work revealed there was not a remote chance that
he did.

LOL ... you're right about that. He is known by recording
engineers/producers for his "wall of sound" techniques back in the glory
days of the recording studio/record company method of album production, and
has since had more magazine articles about him than the ultimate router
table ... and recently a mysterious murder, to boot.

AAMOF, I haven't bothered to look at a recording industry mag in quite a few
years, but picked one up in a studio last week and sure enuff, an article on
Phil Ramone, just as if those years had not past.

A deja vu easily done in any woodworking magazine.


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"B A R R Y" wrote in message

Whenever someone would open the door to The Ramones' room to head out
to the men's room, it sounded like a jet was landing on the roof.
There was simply a brutal wall of sound that just hammered the
building, almost like compressed air!

It was great... G

And a total waste of recording technology, nonetheless.

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KarlC@ (the obvious)

On Fri, 4 May 2007 20:19:08 -0600, "James \"Cubby\" Culbertson"
wrote:


"ROY!" wrote in message
.. .
CC, I would phone Triton US, they have a toll free number, and verify
that there is no difference between the A and the C. I remember
reading on an Australian forum that several improvements have been
made on the C.
R!

Yeah, I found that out after posting this. I did see however that the "C"
model does incorporate a number of improvements so when I ordered from
Woodcraft, I made sure that's what they were sending. I see now their
webpage says it's the "TRA" model. I'll be curious to see what ends up on
my doorstep tomorrow.
cc

This page will tell you most of what you need to know about the
updates/improvements from the A to the C.
http://www.onlinetoolreviews.com/rev...itonrouter.htm

R!

On Sun, 6 May 2007 09:42:57 -0600, "Swingman" wrote:


LOL ... you're right about that. He is known by recording
engineers/producers for his "wall of sound"

Which is hilarious when you could describe Dee Dee and the gang the
same way. G

On May 6, 12:49 pm, B A R R Y wrote:
On Sun, 6 May 2007 09:42:57 -0600, "Swingman" wrote:
LOL ... you're right about that. He is known by recording
engineers/producers for his "wall of sound"

Which is hilarious when you could describe Dee Dee and the gang the
same way. G

LOL..indeed.. a 'wall of sound' yup.

But it is a fact, much to the chagrin of my family members, that when
I look for a boost in energy, 2 bananas, one of my burr-ground
coffees, and What A Wonderful World by The Ramones at a decent sound-
level.... gets the juices flowing.
That song has been raised to 'anthem' level at my house.
When Louis Armstrong did it, I liked it, but even then, I felt there
was more to that tune...his was too soggy. Obviously, many people felt
the same way. Jerry Garcia, Ked' Mo' all tried, but Joey Ramone hit
the ****er out of the park. That song made me aware there was a lot
more to The Ramones than I superficially tried to ignore. Although...
I can't say I categorically like everything they did.

Keb' Mo' does that song in a nice way...and I've always been a sucker
for a well-played dobro. (Clapton's solo on When The River All Runs
Dry [Rough Mix-- Pete Townsend, Ronnie Lane] gives me the shivers.)

Off to design a mess of shutters for my house.

iPod on 'stun'...*outta here*

"Andrew Barss" wrote in message
Swingman wrote:
: wrote in message

: I thought Phil Ramone actually produced the Ramones, but an internet
: look at his body of work revealed there was not a remote chance that
: he did.

: LOL ... you're right about that. He is known by recording
: engineers/producers for his "wall of sound" techniques back in the glory
: days of the recording studio/record company method of album production,
and
: has since had more magazine articles about him than the ultimate router
: table ... and recently a mysterious murder, to boot.


Um, no. That's Phil Spector. Phil Ramone is a very different guy.

Um, yes ... When ya gonna learn, Andrew?

Phil Ramone engineered the Gene Pitney session where the "wall of sound"
micing technique first became generally known when released. In the
recording business, producer's request a certain sound, the engineers job is
to develop the "technique" to get the sound, and IIRC, Spector was not even
a producer on this particular session.

That Larry Levine used the same techniques on later recordings when
engineering for Spector only proves Spector's genius for publicity.

That said, you are indeed correct about my mix-up with "the Phils" with
regard to the "mysterious murder" ... a rare occurrence and your very first
success since you started your attempts at correcting, with obvious DAGS
garnered knowledge, the more knowledgeable.

Congratulations on being lucky on that one count! But do keep trying ...

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"ROY!" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 4 May 2007 20:19:08 -0600, "James \"Cubby\" Culbertson"
wrote:


This page will tell you most of what you need to know about the
updates/improvements from the A to the C.
http://www.onlinetoolreviews.com/rev...itonrouter.htm

R!

Thanks. I looked that over and all the improvements he mentions the new
router having, I have on mine. So I guess I got the latest version.
Cheers,
cc

I wrote to Triton about this when I bought mine.
The C model is for American voltage. If in the US even if you order the A
model you will receive the C.



James "Cubby" Culbertson wrote:


"ROY!" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 4 May 2007 20:19:08 -0600, "James \"Cubby\" Culbertson"
wrote:


This page will tell you most of what you need to know about the
updates/improvements from the A to the C.
http://www.onlinetoolreviews.com/rev...itonrouter.htm

R!

Thanks. I looked that over and all the improvements he mentions the new
router having, I have on mine. So I guess I got the latest version.
Cheers,
cc

Swingman wrote:
: "Andrew Barss" wrote in message
: Swingman wrote:
: : LOL ... you're right about that. He is known by recording
: : engineers/producers for his "wall of sound" techniques back in the glory
: : days of the recording studio/record company method of album production,
: and
: : has since had more magazine articles about him than the ultimate router
: : table ... and recently a mysterious murder, to boot.
:
:
: Um, no. That's Phil Spector. Phil Ramone is a very different guy.

: Um, yes ... When ya gonna learn, Andrew?


Learn what? You made an understandable mixup between Phil Ramone
(who was being discussed here) and Phil Spector (of "Wall of Sound" fame
in the old days, and murdering-his-girlfriend right now). I corrected
the mistake.

And now you blather on about how it really wasn't a mistake, but then you
recognize that it was, kinda, but I'm still in the wrong, yadayadayada ...


: Phil Ramone engineered the Gene Pitney session where the "wall of sound"
: micing technique first became generally known when released.


The term "Wall of Sound" is connected to Spector, not Ramone.

In the
: recording business, producer's request a certain sound, the engineers job is
: to develop the "technique" to get the sound, and IIRC, Spector was not even
: a producer on this particular session.

: That Larry Levine used the same techniques on later recordings when
: engineering for Spector only proves Spector's genius for publicity.

: That said, you are indeed correct about my mix-up with "the Phils" with
: regard to the "mysterious murder" ...

Which was, if you go back and reread my post, the sum total of what
I said.

a rare occurrence and your very first
: success since you started your attempts at correcting, with obvious DAGS
: garnered knowledge, the more knowledgeable.

You're more knowledgable, are you now? Not about what's being discussed here,
apparently!


-- Andy Barss

"Andrew Barss" wrote in message

Learn what?

That relying on third hand information from DAGS is often dangerous to a
know-it-all like you, Andrew.

: Phil Ramone engineered the Gene Pitney session where the "wall of sound"
: micing technique first became generally known when released.


The term "Wall of Sound" is connected to Spector, not Ramone.

Certainly "connected" by the unwashed public, with limited understanding of
the process and the actual events, and those, like you, who rely on DAGS for
their "information" ... but that doesn't make it any more correct than the
common place "connecting" of Henry Ford with inventing the automobile, or
the Wrights, the airplane.

If Spector had so much as touched a microphone during the mentioned session,
which is considered by _those in the industry_ to be the beginning of what
became the wall of sound micing technique, an engineering technique much
practiced by recording engineers since, including those like Larry Levine
who worked with Spector, who certainly got the press and fame for
using/overusing it, there would likely have been a much earlier murder, with
a different subject.

Now, go ahead and DAGS who the engineer was on the "Every Breath I Take"
session and get back to us, Andrew ...

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Swingman wrote:
: "Andrew Barss" wrote in message

: Learn what?

: That relying on third hand information from DAGS is often dangerous to a
: know-it-all like you, Andrew.

It's common knowledge, at least among the great unwashed, that the
Wall of Sound" is a term used by, well, everyone, to refer to Phil
Spector's style of music production. It has nothing to do with
Phil Ramone except in your weird head.


And try as I might, I can't find a single reference anywhere -- not Google,
not Rolling Stone, not Usenet -- to Wall of Sound
being associated with Phil Ramone.

As a matter of fact, here's a quote FROM PHIL RAMONE contradicting you:

http://groups.google.com/group/alt.m...3142dd 1a54fe


(It's an interview with Ramone; toward the end someone mentions WOS, and he says
"no, that's the other Phil").

I think you're making that up. Out of whole cloth.

So, let me pose this question to you: can you give me a single
reference, in either (a) the general music press, or (b) the audio
professional literature, which substantiates your claim that Phil Ramone
invented the "Wall of Sound" universally credited to Phil Spector?
I suspect you can't.


Let me emphasize that I really don't care much at all who is
the inventor of the Wall of Sound. What I do care about is that
you seem like a nasty, unpleasant jerk, one who for some reason
thinks it's a good idea to react to a factual correction by being a
jackass.

You're a thin-skinned dolt who likes
to try to intimidate people. You're a self-styled music authority
who just embarassed himself.

I challenge you to back up your claim with anything other than personal
anecdotes and self-aggrandizement.


some more of Swingman's posturing snipped for both brevity and
the common good


-- Andy Barss


PS. Figured out what a jointer is for yet?

Swingman wrote:
: "Andrew Barss" wrote in message

: (It's an interview with Ramone; toward the end someone mentions WOS, and
: he says
: "no, that's the other Phil").
:
:
: So, let me pose this question to you: can you give me a single
: reference, in either (a) the general music press, or (b) the audio
: professional literature, which substantiates your claim that Phil Ramone
: invented the "Wall of Sound" universally credited to Phil Spector?
: I suspect you can't.

And I am right!


: Thus far ONLY you have said he "invented" it, Andrew. Learn to read,
: ****head!

You really are a piece of work, aren't you? Jeebus!


: He is known by recording
: engineers/producers for his "wall of sound" techniques back in the glory
: days of the recording studio/record company method of album production
: Once again, Andrew ... answer the question: Who was the engineer on the
: first known "wall of sound" session?

Who cares? That's not remotely connected to the issue. You said Ramone was the
"wall of dound' guy, and said he was now famous for a murder. I pointed out
you got him mixed up with Phil Spector. You... well... acted like you did,
now immortalized forever on the Web.

My goodness, you're very impressive ... but not in the good way!



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Andy Barss

"Andrew Barss" wrote in message

(It's an interview with Ramone; toward the end someone mentions WOS, and
he says
"no, that's the other Phil").

I think you're making that up. Out of whole cloth.

So, let me pose this question to you: can you give me a single
reference, in either (a) the general music press, or (b) the audio
professional literature, which substantiates your claim that Phil Ramone
invented the "Wall of Sound" universally credited to Phil Spector?
I suspect you can't.

Thus far ONLY you have said he "invented" it, Andrew. Learn to read,
****head!

He is known by recording
engineers/producers for his "wall of sound" techniques back in the glory
days of the recording studio/record company method of album production

Once again, Andrew ... answer the question: Who was the engineer on the
first known "wall of sound" session?

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"Andrew Barss" wrote in message

Swingman sez:
: LOL ... you're right about that. He is known by recording
: engineers/producers for his "wall of sound" techniques back in the glory
: days of the recording studio/record company method of album production

: Once again, Andrew ... answer the question: Who was the engineer on the
: first known "wall of sound" session?

Who cares? That's not remotely connected to the issue.

Your ignorance of "the issue" is showing, Andrew.

You said Ramone was the
"wall of dound' guy, and said he was now famous for a murder. I pointed
out
you got him mixed up with Phil Spector. You... well... acted like you did,
now immortalized forever on the Web.

LOL ... "wall of dound"? "famous"? ... making up things again, eh Andrew.

Waste just a little more of the taxpayer's money with your DAGs and answer
the question, Andrew.

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