Are there measuring tapes that dont have loosely riveted end hooks?
These seem to have a 1/16 or so movement so different measurements can be
had if pushing or pulling on the end. Any experience here?
thanks

the hook's travel is equal to the thickness of the hook. If the hook were
riveted without this movement, inside and outside measurements would be
different by the thickness of the hook.

hth,

Joe C.


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Are there measuring tapes that dont have loosely riveted end hooks?
These seem to have a 1/16 or so movement so different measurements can be
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had if pushing or pulling on the end. Any experience here?
thanks

"trs80" wrote in message
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Are there measuring tapes that dont have loosely riveted end hooks?
These seem to have a 1/16 or so movement so different measurements can be
had if pushing or pulling on the end. Any experience here?
thanks

1. The end hook is supposed to move. If you press or pull the end up
against something, it compensates for the the thickness of the hook itself
and gives you an accurate measurement either way.

2. trs80? Model I, III, IV, or something else?

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On Apr 20, 12:35 pm, "trs80" wrote:
Are there measuring tapes that dont have loosely riveted end hooks?
These seem to have a 1/16 or so movement so different measurements can be
had if pushing or pulling on the end. Any experience here?
thanks

Well, there are hook rules or rulers, but they're not very long. Tom

I have one. I bought it at Woodcrafters.
It's only good for outside measurement but that is what 99% of my in
shop measurements are. It's also flat and wraps around curves and
lays where I put it, and it has a story pole on it where I can pencil
in whatever I want. I use it as my primary tape rule in the shop.
http://www.fastcap.com/prod2.asp?page=procarp_flat

A word of caution: check that the end is riveted square to the tape.
The first one I got wasn't and I had to make another trip exchange it.

Art

"trs80" wrote in message ...
Are there measuring tapes that dont have loosely riveted end hooks?
These seem to have a 1/16 or so movement so different measurements can be
had if pushing or pulling on the end. Any experience here?
thanks

"trs80" wrote in message
...
Are there measuring tapes that dont have loosely riveted end hooks?
These seem to have a 1/16 or so movement so different measurements can be
had if pushing or pulling on the end. Any experience here?
thanks


Probably however if you really want one that does not work properly you can
disable this function by putting the hook where you want it, taking a flat
faced punch and hammer and whacking the rivets that attach the hook.

"trs80" wrote in message
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Are there measuring tapes that dont have loosely riveted end hooks?

These seem to have a 1/16 or so movement so different measurements can be
had if pushing or pulling on the end. Any experience here?
thanks


No, I can't imagine why you'd want one. Actually, you'd need two, one for
inside, one for outside measuring. Think about how it functions and you
will see thee is a reason for it.

"Edwin Pawlowski" wrote in
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"trs80" wrote in message
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Are there measuring tapes that dont have loosely riveted end hooks?

These seem to have a 1/16 or so movement so different measurements
can be had if pushing or pulling on the end. Any experience here?
thanks


No, I can't imagine why you'd want one. Actually, you'd need two, one
for inside, one for outside measuring. Think about how it functions
and you will see thee is a reason for it.



Some of us are actually intelligent enough to remember the tape measure's
off by a certain amount on one measurement type or another and do the
calculation to correct the measurement. I do it all the time when I
start measuring at "3" and not "0."

Some of us are also dumb enough to forget to do it. ;-)

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"Puckdropper" wrote in message
No, I can't imagine why you'd want one. Actually, you'd need two, one
for inside, one for outside measuring. Think about how it functions
and you will see thee is a reason for it.

Some of us are actually intelligent enough to remember the tape measure's
off by a certain amount on one measurement type or another and do the
calculation to correct the measurement.

Ahh, but you're forgetting that most of us don't have an absolutely perfect
memory like you and being the imperfect beings that we are, we occasionally
forget to account for the difference. I'm ashamed to admit that I'm one of
those imperfect people, but I do aspire to the ultimate perfection that
you've obtained. What is it like to never ever forget anything? You must be
a very special person.

In article , trs80 wrote:
Are there measuring tapes that dont have loosely riveted end hooks?
These seem to have a 1/16 or so movement so different measurements can be
had if pushing or pulling on the end. Any experience here?
thanks



If the hook doesn't move, and is for example fixed to provide accurate
outside measurements, it will be off by the thickness of the hook for all
inside measurements. Just remember, always pull when the hook is hooked
push when it is butted up to something.

Or are you setting a hook of your own?


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"Puckdropper" wrote in message
No, I can't imagine why you'd want one. Actually, you'd need two,
one for inside, one for outside measuring. Think about how it
functions and you will see thee is a reason for it.

Some of us are actually intelligent enough to remember the tape
measure's off by a certain amount on one measurement type or another
and do the calculation to correct the measurement.

Ahh, but you're forgetting that most of us don't have an absolutely
perfect memory like you and being the imperfect beings that we are, we
occasionally forget to account for the difference. I'm ashamed to
admit that I'm one of those imperfect people, but I do aspire to the
ultimate perfection that you've obtained. What is it like to never
ever forget anything? You must be a very special person.



Didn't you read the second paragraph? You trimmed it out, so that little
bit of context is removed. It was important to the writing style.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anaphora

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"Puckdropper" wrote in message

Didn't you read the second paragraph? You trimmed it out, so that little
bit of context is removed. It was important to the writing style.

You're right, I missed it. Guess I really am one of those imperfect beings.

thanks for the input
"trs80" wrote in message
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Are there measuring tapes that dont have loosely riveted end hooks?
These seem to have a 1/16 or so movement so different measurements can be
had if pushing or pulling on the end. Any experience here?
thanks

"trs80" wrote in message
...
Are there measuring tapes that dont have loosely riveted end hooks?
These seem to have a 1/16 or so movement so different measurements can be
had if pushing or pulling on the end. Any experience here?
thanks


Oh Yeah, DOH,

Fastcap makes a tape measure with a stationary hook. this tape measure is
sold at Woodcraft and Rockler IIRC.

Fast Cap makes several tape measures with special features.

This particular tape measure has an absolutely flat tape that lays flat and
or easily wraps around a circular object like a column. It makes laying out
marks marginally easier.

Because the tape is flat you CANNOT extend the tape with out holding it in
position it is limp and will bend and star to fall the instant it begins to
protrude out of the case. Because it will not extend like a normal tape
measure, it has no need for the hook to move to compensate for inside
measurements. This is strictly an outside measurement devise.

Called the Pro Carpenter Flat Back
http://www.fastcap.com/prod2.asp?page=procarp_flat

"Leon" wrote in
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"trs80" wrote in message
...
Are there measuring tapes that dont have loosely riveted end hooks?
These seem to have a 1/16 or so movement so different measurements
can be had if pushing or pulling on the end. Any experience here?
thanks


Oh Yeah, DOH,

Fastcap makes a tape measure with a stationary hook. this tape
measure is sold at Woodcraft and Rockler IIRC.

Fast Cap makes several tape measures with special features.

This particular tape measure has an absolutely flat tape that lays
flat and or easily wraps around a circular object like a column. It
makes laying out marks marginally easier.

Because the tape is flat you CANNOT extend the tape with out holding
it in position it is limp and will bend and star to fall the instant
it begins to protrude out of the case. Because it will not extend
like a normal tape measure, it has no need for the hook to move to
compensate for inside measurements. This is strictly an outside
measurement devise.

Called the Pro Carpenter Flat Back
http://www.fastcap.com/prod2.asp?page=procarp_flat



Leon

Thanks for explaining why it is fixed. I recently got this tape and find
the lay flat feature nice, but in the shop you occasionally want to measure
the inside dimensions of a cabinet that is within arm's length or the
distance from blade to fence. Each of those neccessitates compensating for
the hook thickness (not much and at least it's constant). Also the STURDY
end hook hides most of the measurement lines in the first inch of the
blade. Otherwise it is a real nice product, just disappointed it is a
little cludgy in these two situations and I wind up reaching for the other
tape or rule instead.

Jerry

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"trs80" wrote in message
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Are there measuring tapes that dont have loosely riveted end hooks?
These seem to have a 1/16 or so movement so different measurements can be
had if pushing or pulling on the end. Any experience here?
thanks


Oh Yeah, DOH,

Fastcap makes a tape measure with a stationary hook. this tape measure is
sold at Woodcraft and Rockler IIRC.

Fast Cap makes several tape measures with special features.

This particular tape measure has an absolutely flat tape that lays flat
and or easily wraps around a circular object like a column. It makes
laying out marks marginally easier.

Because the tape is flat you CANNOT extend the tape with out holding it in
position it is limp and will bend and star to fall the instant it begins
to protrude out of the case. Because it will not extend like a normal
tape measure, it has no need for the hook to move to compensate for inside
measurements. This is strictly an outside measurement devise.

Called the Pro Carpenter Flat Back
http://www.fastcap.com/prod2.asp?page=procarp_flat

"A Lurker" wrote in message
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Leon

Thanks for explaining why it is fixed. I recently got this tape and find
the lay flat feature nice, but in the shop you occasionally want to
measure
the inside dimensions of a cabinet that is within arm's length or the
distance from blade to fence. Each of those neccessitates compensating for
the hook thickness (not much and at least it's constant). Also the STURDY
end hook hides most of the measurement lines in the first inch of the
blade. Otherwise it is a real nice product, just disappointed it is a
little cludgy in these two situations and I wind up reaching for the other
tape or rule instead.

Jerry

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Yeah, I have that tape measure also and had not really noticed that the hook
was fixed. I sorta wish you could turn the limp feature on and off. ;~)

"Leon" wrote in
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Yeah, I have that tape measure also and had not really noticed that
the hook was fixed. I sorta wish you could turn the limp feature on
and off. ;~)


Yes as I get older I wish for that feature also!

Jerry


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