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dye vs pigment stains
I'd like to add an accent piece to a piece of furniture I'm building
and want to ebonize a piece of Maple (though I suppose it doesn't have to be Maple, I just want it to be black). I've read that dye stains will be better for doing this. I picked up a can of Minwax "Wood Finish" oil based stain, but can't seem to determine if it is dye or pigment stain. Does anyone know how I can tell. Any other comments on the process would also be appreciated. Thanks |
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"Doug" wrote in message oups.com... I'd like to add an accent piece to a piece of furniture I'm building and want to ebonize a piece of Maple (though I suppose it doesn't have to be Maple, I just want it to be black). I've read that dye stains will be better for doing this. I picked up a can of Minwax "Wood Finish" oil based stain, but can't seem to determine if it is dye or pigment stain. Does anyone know how I can tell. Any other comments on the process would also be appreciated. Thanks It is most likely a pigment. Get it from Woodcraft. Transtint is what I use. -- Stoutman www.garagewoodworks.com |
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On Apr 19, 5:30 pm, "Stoutman" .@. wrote:
It is most likely a pigment. I agree. I don't think Minwax make a dye product. For Black, I have had better luck with Behlen's Solar Lux which is alcohol base. It seems to penetrate better, and is about $11 - $12 buck a bottle. When I use the Behlens for finish, I thin it quite a bit. But for black as possible, use it straight. Almost all woodturners yearn to ebonize some kind of wood for finials, knobs, caps, and decorations of all manner. Right now, I think the preferred method is real India Ink from the art or office supply store. This is really a prevalent method since almost no one can find the good ebony at a fair price, and the Macassar (sp?) has a tendency to have brown streaks in it. So wood is saturatated in the ink, sanded after grain raising, then saturated again. A piece of wood done this way actually looks like ebony. For me... I cheat. On something of size I would hit the accent piece with black laquer so I could get it dead black, and if my final finsh is gloss, I am on my way. If it is satin, out comes the steel wool to knock off the shine. Robert Robert |
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"Doug" wrote in message oups.com... I'd like to add an accent piece to a piece of furniture I'm building and want to ebonize a piece of Maple (though I suppose it doesn't have to be Maple, I just want it to be black). I've read that dye stains will be better for doing this. I picked up a can of Minwax "Wood Finish" oil based stain, but can't seem to determine if it is dye or pigment stain. Does anyone know how I can tell. Any other comments on the process would also be appreciated. Thanks General Finishes makes a Paint /Stain in black in their Kountry Colors collection.. You can paint it on and leave it or wipe off to you preference of darkness. |
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"Leon" wrote in message t... General Finishes makes a Paint /Stain in black in their Kountry Colors collection.. You can paint it on and leave it or wipe off to you preference of darkness. Apparently they are not Milk Paints http://www.generalfinishes.com/finis...0Milk%20Paints |
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Apparently they are not Milk Paints http://www.generalfinishes.com/finis...0Milk%20Paints CRAP,,, They ARE milk paints. 3rd time is a charm. |
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I have a whole oak family room suite to ebonize and I have done some testing
in preparation. I chose oak due to the pronounced grain structure so that the texture would still come through the finish. I used water based black aniline dye from woodcraft mixed at the recommended strength. I applied it liberally and let it dry completely. I followed that with some water based Minwax black stain that I had mixed at Home Depot. I got this plan from Bob Flexner's book. My test have come out very well and more importantly to the satisfaction of my customer. SteveP. "Doug" wrote in message oups.com... I'd like to add an accent piece to a piece of furniture I'm building and want to ebonize a piece of Maple (though I suppose it doesn't have to be Maple, I just want it to be black). I've read that dye stains will be better for doing this. I picked up a can of Minwax "Wood Finish" oil based stain, but can't seem to determine if it is dye or pigment stain. Does anyone know how I can tell. Any other comments on the process would also be appreciated. Thanks |
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Doug wrote: ----------- I'd like to add an accent piece to a piece of furniture I'm building and want to ebonize a piece of Maple (though I suppose it doesn't have to be Maple, I just want it to be black). I've read that dye stains will be better for doing this. I picked up a can of Minwax "Wood Finish" oil based stain, but can't seem to determine if it is dye or pigment stain. Does anyone know how I can tell. Any other comments on the process would also be appreciated. Thanks Most of the common "yellow can" Minwax finishes do contain some pigment, often contain dye as well, and a few contain only dye. If you want to check a can you've already purchased, just open it and stir up from the bottom with a small stick. If it contains pigment some will stick to the stick and you will be able to see it. -- Make it as simple as possible, but no simpler. Larry Wasserman - Baltimore Maryland - lwasserm(a)sdf. lonestar. org |
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Most of the common "yellow can" Minwax finishes do contain some pigment,
often contain dye as well, and a few contain only dye. If you want to check a can you've already purchased, just open it and stir up from the bottom with a small stick. If it contains pigment some will stick to the stick and you will be able to see it. Which Minwax finishes contain only dye? -- Stoutman www.garagewoodworks.com |
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"Doug" wrote in message oups.com... I'd like to add an accent piece to a piece of furniture I'm building and want to ebonize a piece of Maple (though I suppose it doesn't have to be Maple, I just want it to be black). I've read that dye stains will be better for doing this. I picked up a can of Minwax "Wood Finish" oil based stain, but can't seem to determine if it is dye or pigment stain. Does anyone know how I can tell. Any other comments on the process would also be appreciated. Thanks Look for something you don't have to stir, and it'll be a dye. Pigment is added as particulates, and has a tendency to settle in the can and seek the pores in the wood. Easy to tell which is which by what they leave behind on a piece of white paper. Ebonizing by dye would be fine with cherry, soft maple or birch, or if you just need color over durability, basswood. Aniline dyes, RIT fabric dyes, India ink are all pretty common ways of going about it. |
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Doug wrote:
Any other comments on the process would also be appreciated. Thanks India Ink. I use it to ebonize Ash with fantastic results. |
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On 19 Apr 2007 15:21:43 -0700, Doug wrote:
I'd like to add an accent piece to a piece of furniture I'm building and want to ebonize a piece of Maple (though I suppose it doesn't have to be Maple, I just want it to be black). I've read that dye stains will be better for doing this. I picked up a can of Minwax "Wood Finish" oil based stain, but can't seem to determine if it is dye or pigment stain. Does anyone know how I can tell. Any other comments on the process would also be appreciated. Thanks Another solution is the inks used in inkjet printers. They are available in either dye or pigment versions. Dye based products tend to fade more than pigment. |
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In article , Stoutman .@. wrote:
Which Minwax finishes contain only dye? -- Stoutman www.garagewoodworks.com One that I am sure of is "Golden Pecan" -- When the game is over, the pawn and the king are returned to the same box. Larry Wasserman - Baltimore Maryland - lwasserm(a)sdf. lonestar.org |
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Aniline type dies:
http://www.gallerytungsten.com/archives/000134.php -- Jedd Haas - Artist - New Orleans, LA http://www.gallerytungsten.com http://www.epsno.com |
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