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Old August 10th 03, 07:53 PM
L&D
 
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Hello experienced woodworkers

I am working on a special project (I'm actually a textile artist), and I
need to have some masonite or hardboard cut into a specific size and shape
(small squares) in some quantity.

I will have to shop this out to someone, and I need to have as ultra smooth
edges as I can get with exact size. Is what I'm looking for called laser
cutting or dye cutting, and what is the difference?

Where would I look to find someone like this to do this type of work?

Thanks for any kind help

L&D



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Old August 10th 03, 08:06 PM
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Laser is usually driven by a computer-it burns away the material. Die
cutting is done with thin metal strips in the shape of the final
product-then pressure is applied. (Cookie cutters are "die" cut.)


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Old August 10th 03, 09:01 PM
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Thanks Greybeard, do you know if 1/8" or 1/25" thick hardboard/masonite be
too much for a dye cut? Would this give me a smoother cut than laser?

I appreciate your comments

L&D


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Also-there will be some charring on the edges from the burning process-die
cutting has limits to material thickness-usually thinner stuff like
cardboards, etc.




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Old August 10th 03, 09:04 PM
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Hello experienced woodworkers

I am working on a special project (I'm actually a textile artist), and I
need to have some masonite or hardboard cut into a specific size and shape
(small squares) in some quantity.

I will have to shop this out to someone, and I need to have as ultra smooth
edges as I can get with exact size. Is what I'm looking for called laser
cutting or dye cutting, and what is the difference?

Where would I look to find someone like this to do this type of work?

Thanks for any kind help

L&D


Not quite an answer to your question, but any woodworker with a good
table saw and top-notch blade, a Forrest WWII, for example, could
probably do the job for less expense than either of your alternatives,
depending on the size of the squares, of course.

I'd guess about than an hour to cut several hundred squares of any size
from 1" to, say 4" if you brought the hardboard. And the edges would
be smooth as silk.

'course, everything takes more time and costs more than the estimate.
:-)

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Old August 10th 03, 10:03 PM
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Talk to David Donoho at http:\\www.teccut.com He is laser-cutting complex
parts for me in 1/16" x 4 x 24 sheets of basswood for about $4 a sheet. The
kerf is .007", my biggest part is 16" long and comes out within .002" of
design. I did my own CAD drawing so there was no setup charge. He can
recommend a material for your project.

Die cutting has problems with sharp corners, slight wavy lines, and a
whopping charge to build the die. Production is much less expensive.

Sawing them on a table saw is easy, sawing them accurately requires skill
and patience.

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Hello experienced woodworkers

I am working on a special project (I'm actually a textile artist), and I
need to have some masonite or hardboard cut into a specific size and shape
(small squares) in some quantity.

I will have to shop this out to someone, and I need to have as ultra

smooth
edges as I can get with exact size. Is what I'm looking for called laser
cutting or dye cutting, and what is the difference?

Where would I look to find someone like this to do this type of work?

Thanks for any kind help

L&D







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Old August 10th 03, 10:18 PM
 
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"L&D" wrote:

Hello experienced woodworkers

I am working on a special project (I'm actually a textile artist), and I
need to have some masonite or hardboard cut into a specific size and shape
(small squares) in some quantity.


What quantity, it makes a big difference. Give dimensions.

I will have to shop this out to someone, and I need to have as ultra smooth
edges as I can get with exact size. Is what I'm looking for called laser
cutting or dye cutting, and what is the difference?


Laser burns material and has cutting beam guided by some sort of
motion control system. Die Cutting uses steel blades embeded in die
board (really great plywood) that is forced into material by a full
revolution press or a hyd press against a steel score plate.

Where would I look to find someone like this to do this type of work?


Where do you live? There is a laser shop in GR Michigan iirc and I
know that there is a die cutter in Traverse City Mi. A web search
should find someone close to you.


Wes

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Old August 11th 03, 12:02 AM
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Sounds to me like a guy with a table saw would be a better bet than either.
When you say "exact size", bear in mind that there is no such thing as
exact.
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Hello experienced woodworkers

I am working on a special project (I'm actually a textile artist), and I
need to have some masonite or hardboard cut into a specific size and shape
(small squares) in some quantity.

I will have to shop this out to someone, and I need to have as ultra

smooth
edges as I can get with exact size. Is what I'm looking for called laser
cutting or dye cutting, and what is the difference?

Where would I look to find someone like this to do this type of work?

Thanks for any kind help

L&D




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Old August 11th 03, 02:20 AM
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"L&D" wrote in message et...
Hello experienced woodworkers

I am working on a special project (I'm actually a textile artist), and I
need to have some masonite or hardboard cut into a specific size and shape
(small squares) in some quantity.

I will have to shop this out to someone, and I need to have as ultra smooth
edges as I can get with exact size. Is what I'm looking for called laser
cutting or dye cutting, and what is the difference?

Where would I look to find someone like this to do this type of work?

Thanks for any kind help

L&D


Hi,
Look online for waterjet or laser cutting. Both of these processes
can usually deliver +/-.005 to .010 inch tolerances, tighter if you
ask for it and don't mind paying a little extra.

I've used both for metal, plastic and glass and it works great. I've
read that it works well on wood as well, the waterjet uses very little
water and if you mask the surfaces you shouldn't experiences any
problems. The lasers will burn the materail slightly but it is easy to
sand off.

Do a search for waterjet cutting, laser cutting in the Google.com
directory listings or you can also find many listings in the
Thomas Register, go he http://www.thomasregister.com/

Good Luck,

Phil
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Old August 11th 03, 07:11 PM
Carl Olsen
 
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I agree with some of the others that a saw is likely the way to go for
this particular project (though it might not be). In the event that
you are looking for water jet or laser cutting job shops to do the
work for you, you can look a the following directories:

Look here for waterjet shops in the USA (And many of them have lasers
and other equipment):

http://www.waterjets.org/waterjet_jobshops.html

Look here for waterjet shops around the world (Again, with many of
them having other equipment also):

http://www.waterjets.org/internation..._jobshops.html

To learn more about waterjets in general, visit:

http://www.waterjets.org

- Carl
Web Master
Waterjet Web Reference (the above mentioned site).

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"L&D" wrote in message et...
Hello experienced woodworkers

I am working on a special project (I'm actually a textile artist), and I
need to have some masonite or hardboard cut into a specific size and shape
(small squares) in some quantity.

I will have to shop this out to someone, and I need to have as ultra smooth
edges as I can get with exact size. Is what I'm looking for called laser
cutting or dye cutting, and what is the difference?

Where would I look to find someone like this to do this type of work?

Thanks for any kind help

L&D


Hi,
Look online for waterjet or laser cutting. Both of these processes
can usually deliver +/-.005 to .010 inch tolerances, tighter if you
ask for it and don't mind paying a little extra.

I've used both for metal, plastic and glass and it works great. I've
read that it works well on wood as well, the waterjet uses very little
water and if you mask the surfaces you shouldn't experiences any
problems. The lasers will burn the materail slightly but it is easy to
sand off.

Do a search for waterjet cutting, laser cutting in the Google.com
directory listings or you can also find many listings in the
Thomas Register, go he
http://www.thomasregister.com/

Good Luck,

Phil

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Old August 11th 03, 09:07 PM
L&D
 
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Thanks for responding, this sounds exactly what I am look for, and if it can
be done with traditional methods I'm all for it .
Specifically I am looking for 4"x4" squares, uniformity being very important
.. I am trying to decide between 2 different types of board as described
he

One type is described as follows:

16 x 20" Painting panels made from special (approximately 5/32" thick)
compressed
wood and covered with an even textured canvas that has an acid-free, all
media priming.

The second type is described:
"Canvas Mounted Hardboard Panel": Crafted on a 3.2 mm thick, non-direction
composite hardboard (similar to masonite). The 100% cotton, acid-free all
media primed cotton canvas surface Size 20x24" panel.

I would probably need 100-150 initially, with the ability to re-order
(unsure yet of the duration between orders yet)

Is this do-able as you describe?
Thanks for your input

L&D



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In article , L&D
wrote:

Hello experienced woodworkers

I am working on a special project (I'm actually a textile artist), and I
need to have some masonite or hardboard cut into a specific size and

shape
(small squares) in some quantity.

I will have to shop this out to someone, and I need to have as ultra

smooth
edges as I can get with exact size. Is what I'm looking for called

laser
cutting or dye cutting, and what is the difference?

Where would I look to find someone like this to do this type of work?

Thanks for any kind help

L&D


Not quite an answer to your question, but any woodworker with a good
table saw and top-notch blade, a Forrest WWII, for example, could
probably do the job for less expense than either of your alternatives,
depending on the size of the squares, of course.

I'd guess about than an hour to cut several hundred squares of any size
from 1" to, say 4" if you brought the hardboard. And the edges would
be smooth as silk.

'course, everything takes more time and costs more than the estimate.
:-)

--
Vince Heuring ECE Department, University of Colorado - Boulder
To email, remove the Vince.





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