I find that sometimes I need a drill to do a bit more than what my 18V
cordless seem comfortable doing. I have 3 Cordless drills, 1 is a
14.4v and 2 are 18v, all seem to have plenty of power for most things
but sometimes drilling a bunch of pilot holes or using a spade bit or
hole saw, they just seem to be straining. Using my drill press is just
not feasible for everything, so I have decided I need a corded drill
as a backup, or maybe as an addition.

I think I need the following:

1/2" Keyless chuck
Variable Speed
Reversable

I do not think I need:

A clutch
A hammer drill

This also seems to be a solution that shouldn't cost me my first born
child (tho you are welcome to him or the second too). I figured in the
75 bucks range new or reconditioned.

Any recommendations? Or any good prices?

Neillarson wrote:
...I have decided I need a corded drill
as a backup, or maybe as an addition.

I think I need the following:

1/2" Keyless chuck
Variable Speed
Reversable

I have yet to use the capabilities of the 1/2" chuck, but my dad uses
his for mixing drywall mud. I don't know if you'll find a new 1/2"
drill in the price range you mentioned.

I've had a 3/8" 4.8A Dewalt drill for years, and it's done everything I
asked of it including driving 1/2" lag bolts into 4x4s. It's
complained, but never failed. Its max speed is 1200rpm, but this gives
it more torque at the low end. The current equivalent appears to be the
DW222.

Chris

"Neillarson" wrote in message
oups.com...
I find that sometimes I need a drill to do a bit more than what my 18V
cordless seem comfortable doing. I have 3 Cordless drills, 1 is a
14.4v and 2 are 18v, all seem to have plenty of power for most things
but sometimes drilling a bunch of pilot holes or using a spade bit or
hole saw, they just seem to be straining. Using my drill press is just
not feasible for everything, so I have decided I need a corded drill
as a backup, or maybe as an addition.

I think I need the following:

1/2" Keyless chuck
Variable Speed
Reversable

I do not think I need:

A clutch
A hammer drill

This also seems to be a solution that shouldn't cost me my first born
child (tho you are welcome to him or the second too). I figured in the
75 bucks range new or reconditioned.

Any recommendations? Or any good prices?


I would go with your thoughts of size, variable speed, and reversible.
However, often 1/2" drills are slower running than 3/8" drills. IMHO if you
get only one, go with the 3/8" chuck. I already have 3/8" and would go 1/2"
this time. If you can get the clutch feature that would also be nice but
those are few and far in between.
For $75 you can look at DeWalt maybe a little more for Milwaukee.

Neillarson wrote:
...I have decided I need a corded drill
as a backup, or maybe as an addition.

I think I need the following:

1/2" Keyless chuck
Variable Speed
Reversable

My favorite 1/2" drill is the Hitachi D13VF. 9 amps. I've pushed mine hard
and it has performed very well.

Max

...I have decided I need a corded drill
as a backup, or maybe as an addition.

I added a corded to my collection about a year ago, and I've used it a
lot. I got a reconditioned Dewalt D21008K; it was about $35 on eBay.
They're currently available for $45 + shipping at toolking.com. It's
only a 3/8" chuck, but that hasn't been a problem for me - if a bit is
larger than 3/8", it will go in the DP. I chose the 3/8" over the 1/2
both for price and the higher RPM offered by the smaller drill. (My
brad point bits are reduced shank, though, which makes a big
difference and lets me use them in the 3/8 drill.)
I looked closely at some of the Makita corded drills, as those were
also reasonably priced, but I just picked the Dewalt because I got a
good deal on it. I don't own one, but from what I've read, Milwaukee
is top of the line for drills, and they're priced accordingly.
Probably worth it if you'll use the drill all the time.
Another thing to consider is that there is a 1/2" Jacobs brand chuck
available that attaches to most 3/8" drills - that's Jacobs model #
31037.
Good luck,
Andy

It has a high enough speed to work well with my
Kreg pocket hole bit, which requires 2000 rpm; none of my cordless
drills come close.

I'm curious about this requirement - I've never used my Kreg pocket
hole bit at full speed, and it's seemed to work fine. In fact, if I
had to guess, I'd say it works better at slower speeds, and with a
brief pullout to clear chips.
Is this in the Kreg literature?
Andy

In article .com,
says...
I find that sometimes I need a drill to do a bit more than what my 18V
cordless seem comfortable doing. I have 3 Cordless drills, 1 is a
14.4v and 2 are 18v, all seem to have plenty of power for most things
but sometimes drilling a bunch of pilot holes or using a spade bit or
hole saw, they just seem to be straining. Using my drill press is just
not feasible for everything, so I have decided I need a corded drill
as a backup, or maybe as an addition.

I think I need the following:

1/2" Keyless chuck
Variable Speed
Reversable

I do not think I need:

A clutch
A hammer drill

This also seems to be a solution that shouldn't cost me my first born
child (tho you are welcome to him or the second too). I figured in the
75 bucks range new or reconditioned.

Any recommendations? Or any good prices?

http://www.metabousa.com/metabo/hand...odukte/drills/

would always be my first choice in corded drills. Your second-born will still
use that 20 years down the track more likely than not. (2 of my 3 expired
lately, one aged ~38 years, the other ~25years. The third is about 30 and still
going strong).

as for "price-driven" I'd look for the usual suspects, Bosch, Makita, Hitachi.
AEG used to make some medal winning drills and some really crap ones - I'd stay
away from them if I didn't know which model. Ryobi are crap anyway, i.m.o.
B & D used to be underpowered and underengineered 30 years ago, at least the
models we got in Europe at the time. Don't know if that was their entire range
though, and haven't looked at them since.

-P.

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Damn I like this board. So I followed the first piece of advice and
bought a Dewalt D21008K on Ebay that I found NIB for $41 and some
change delivered. I think I will also pickup the Harbor Freight 1/2
VSR Hammer drill. I figure for $30 it would be good to have around for
a backup.

Thanks for your help.

"Andy" wrote in message
oups.com...
It has a high enough speed to work well with my
Kreg pocket hole bit, which requires 2000 rpm; none of my cordless
drills come close.

I'm curious about this requirement - I've never used my Kreg pocket
hole bit at full speed, and it's seemed to work fine. In fact, if I
had to guess, I'd say it works better at slower speeds, and with a
brief pullout to clear chips.
Is this in the Kreg literature?
Andy



The Kreg rep recommended a faster speed when I bought my jig some 12-14
years ago. I see a notable difference in performance between using a slower
battery operated drill and a faster corded drill. The holes come out
cleaner with the faster drill also.

Yes, Kreg states this. In this case, as is the case with most cutting of
soft material. speed is not at all critical. I believe that they recommend a
higher speed as most people have difficulty controlling their feedrate. For
the same feedrate, higher speed reduces chip load resulting in a smoother
cut. You can do the same at a slower speed by reducing feed rate (as you
have apparently realized).

"Andy" wrote in message
oups.com...
It has a high enough speed to work well with my
Kreg pocket hole bit, which requires 2000 rpm; none of my cordless
drills come close.

I'm curious about this requirement - I've never used my Kreg pocket
hole bit at full speed, and it's seemed to work fine. In fact, if I
had to guess, I'd say it works better at slower speeds, and with a
brief pullout to clear chips.
Is this in the Kreg literature?
Andy

On 8 Mar 2007 07:43:00 -0800, "Neillarson"
wrote:

I find that sometimes I need a drill to do a bit more than what my 18V
cordless seem comfortable doing. I have 3 Cordless drills, 1 is a
14.4v and 2 are 18v, all seem to have plenty of power for most things
but sometimes drilling a bunch of pilot holes or using a spade bit or
hole saw, they just seem to be straining. Using my drill press is just
not feasible for everything, so I have decided I need a corded drill
as a backup, or maybe as an addition.

I think I need the following:

1/2" Keyless chuck
Variable Speed
Reversable

I do not think I need:

A clutch
A hammer drill

This also seems to be a solution that shouldn't cost me my first born
child (tho you are welcome to him or the second too). I figured in the
75 bucks range new or reconditioned.

Any recommendations? Or any good prices?


My cordless died 12 years ago and I have not replaced it with a
cordless. No regrets. I have a 1/2" chuck Milwaukee. It has a
detachable side handle (which I seldom use). Lots of power, never
dies. It was over $100, but well worth the quality.

"Neillarson" wrote in message
oups.com...
Damn I like this board. So I followed the first piece of advice and
bought a Dewalt D21008K on Ebay that I found NIB for $41 and some
change delivered. I think I will also pickup the Harbor Freight 1/2
VSR Hammer drill. I figure for $30 it would be good to have around for
a backup.

Thanks for your help.


If your thinking of drilling concrete you might give the HF SDS drill a
look....I just got the 1 inch model for $40.00(sidewalk sale) and it cuts
through concrete like butter, they even included a few bits and a
chisel.......no comparison to my 1/2 non hammer Dewalt (works great on wood
and stiring things).....I don't drill concrete often but saving a hour a
hole won't bother me a bit...... Rod

I have one of these.

http://www.amazon.com/Milwaukee-0234...3446439&sr=1-1

I bought it because my 3/8" Bosch corded was simply not up to the task of
some high-torque applications (auger bit into hardwood or pushing a 2"
forstner bit.)

I'm pleased with the Milwaukee. it does what it does really well, but it's
not really an general pourpose drill. I suspect you may find the same true
of most 1/2" drills on the market. 1/2" drill are best suited to
high-torque, low RPM applications.

But you already have a 3 cordless drills which are presumably pretty good
general purpose drills

1/2" Keyless chuck

I doubt that you want that. For high-torque applications you *want* a keyed
chuck.

I have 2 cordless drills a 7.2 Hitachi and a 12V Panasonic

The little guy is light and comfy for pilot holes and modest screwing. As
I'm sure you are aware, it's nice to have two cordless drills so that when
drilling pilot holes and screwing so that you don't have to switch bits too
much.

The panasonic has a clutch... a nice feature for some screwing applications
(like *screwing* Kreg pocket holes)

My Bosh 3/8 drill has a keyless chuck, and is good for higher RPM corded
duty (can you say *drilling* pocket holes). But as previously stated, not
for brutal torque applications.

Like you, I have a drill press... really flexible as lone as you don't need
portability.

And then the 1/2".... for all that torque you pay a price (not just the
initial cash outlay). Slower (max) RPM and weight (a little less comfy to
use).

Cordless drills come and go with the battery technology, and if you are like
me, you use the corless when you can and corded when you must. Consequently,
the corded tools don't get that much use. A corded drill can be a lifetime
investment. I did not really mind plunking down $125 dir a 1/2" drill that I
know I will probably use a few times a year because I suspect that it will
around for several decades.

-Steve



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On Mar 9, 5:58�am, Phisherman wrote:
On 8 Mar 2007 07:43:00 -0800, "Neillarson"
wrote:





I find that sometimes I need a drill to do a bit more than what my 18V
cordless seem comfortable doing. I have 3 Cordless drills, 1 is a
14.4v and 2 are 18v, all seem to have plenty of power for most things
but sometimes drilling a bunch of pilot holes or using a spade bit or
hole saw, they just seem to be straining. Using my drill press is just
not feasible for everything, so I have decided I need a corded drill
as a backup, or maybe as an addition.

I think I need the following:

1/2" Keyless chuck
Variable Speed
Reversable

I do not think I need:

A clutch
A hammer drill

This also seems to be a solution that shouldn't cost me my first born
child (tho you are welcome to him or the second too). I figured in the
75 bucks range new or reconditioned.

Any recommendations? Or any good prices?

My cordless died 12 years ago and I have not replaced it with a
cordless. *No regrets. *I have a 1/2" chuck Milwaukee. *It has a
detachable side handle (which I seldom use). *Lots of power, never
dies. *It was over $100, but well worth the quality.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

I'll second the Milwaukee brand. I have 2- 3/8" Makita, corded vsr
drills, and have had B&D and Dewalt. The Dewalt, my friend bought and
out of the box the chuck had a lot of wobble. It was returned for
another, of the same "quality?"
I found a Milwaukee 3/8 vsr corded drill at a garage sale for $10, and
it is now my favorite drill. Makes the others feel like Crapsman
drills. Yeah I've had them also!
I wouldn't trade the Milwaukee 3/8 vsr corded drill , for a new
Makita, or Dewalt.
Milwaukee is my pick, by far, over the others.

"Stephen M" wrote

The little guy is light and comfy for pilot holes and modest screwing.

-Steve

"Modest screwing".
Now there's an interesting expression.

Max

On Mar 8, 12:53 pm, Larry Kraus wrote:
"Neillarson" wrote:
I find that sometimes I need a drill to do a bit more than what my 18V
cordless seem comfortable doing. I have 3 Cordless drills, 1 is a
14.4v and 2 are 18v, all seem to have plenty of power for most things
but sometimes drilling a bunch of pilot holes or using a spade bit or
hole saw, they just seem to be straining. Using my drill press is just
not feasible for everything, so I have decided I need a corded drill
as a backup, or maybe as an addition.

I think I need the following:

1/2" Keyless chuck
Variable Speed
Reversable

I do not think I need:

A clutch
A hammer drill

This also seems to be a solution that shouldn't cost me my first born
child (tho you are welcome to him or the second too). I figured in the
75 bucks range new or reconditioned.

Any recommendations? Or any good prices?

As I also "sometimes" have similar needs, I picked up this model at
Harbor Freight:http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/cta...emnumber=45338
I was looking mainly for a variable speed drill for occasional use
with some 1/2" brad point bits that I could not use in my old reliable
3/8" Craftsman. It has had plenty of power with 1 1/4" spade bits and
a 3" inch hole saw. It has a high enough speed to work well with my
Kreg pocket hole bit, which requires 2000 rpm; none of my cordless
drills come close. I've never used the hammer function on this drill,
never needed it. A keyless chuck might be nice, but I haven't lost the
key yet. After four years, I'm happy with it. Like most HF items I've
bought, it gets the job done. If I had to begin making a living with
it, I might consider a more expensive drill.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

I have the same drill. The hammer part is great for putting those
blue screw into my shop's concrete walls.

I was singing the praises of this drill right up to two weeks ago when
it stopped working. It was lightly used. I think the switch went
bad. The switch is "sealed" up and hard to get at the guts for
repairs.

Bill Leonhardt

I will third the Milwaukee. I have had my 1/2" hole shooter for about
12 years now and I have only had a cordless for couple of years. My
dad's Milwaukee did die on him (It was 50+ years old and I saw an
identical one on the History Channel's "History of Tools"). I love
the all metal jacobson keyless chuck but I am the only one that seems
to be able to figure out how to use it. The chuck ratchets like an
impact wrench instead of being smooth like a cordless drill keyless
chuck. The hole shooter was the only drill I could find with good low
speed torque and still have good highspeed performance. Yes it will
"rip your arm off". I also enjoy doing a lot of metal working so a
cordless just doesn't cut it. I firmly believe a Milwaukee 1/2" hole
shooter is all the drill most people will ever need BUT I have grown
to appreciate my Dewalt 18v cordless.

"CW" wrote in
nk.net:

Yes, Kreg states this. In this case, as is the case with most cutting
of soft material. speed is not at all critical. I believe that they
recommend a higher speed as most people have difficulty controlling
their feedrate. For the same feedrate, higher speed reduces chip load
resulting in a smoother cut. You can do the same at a slower speed by
reducing feed rate (as you have apparently realized).


Having used both a 1/2" battery driven DeWalt, and a 3/8" corded DeWalt to
cut pocket holes, unless there is no place to plug in, the battery driven
tool gets to drive the screws. There is no contest. Drilling the holes
eats battery time AND clock time, and offers no noticeable benefits.

Patriarch

Makita makes a "light" 3/8" drill that is excellent in the
$100 range.

A 1/2" is a slow turner and would not be the
drill needed for something like a "Kreg" jig or other
drilling applications.

Get a 3/8" for every day use. Most drills today are
variable speed and reversible.

Neillarson wrote:


I think I need the following:

1/2" Keyless chuck
Variable Speed
Reversable

I do not think I need:

A clutch
A hammer drill

This also seems to be a solution that shouldn't cost me my first born
child (tho you are welcome to him or the second too). I figured in the
75 bucks range new or reconditioned.

Any recommendations? Or any good prices?