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Say you want to setup a home shop for both metal and wood
working....what older American or European machines would you choose to populate the shop with? In a home shop environment, the size of the work envelope can vary greatly with the work done so a number of different candidates exist for the same function performed. With welders, I would consider that newer machines might be more desirable. I have listed what categories I would consider might be wanted in a combination metal and wood work shop for the serious hobbist. I look forward to hearing of your choices and the reasons why. And feel free to add any tool that I might have forgotten. Thanks TMT = Metalworking - vertical mill - horizontal mill - metal shaper - slower drill press - small metal lathe - larger metal lathe - horizontal metal bandsaw - vertical metal bandsaw - surface grinder - bench grinder - band/disc sander - belt sander - tool grinder - air compressor - arbor press - hydraulic press - heat treating furnace - bender, brake, shear, slip roll = Woodworking - table saw - cross miter saw - radial arm saw - scroll saw - vertical wood bandsaw - jointer - planer - wood shaper - wood lathe - faster drill press = Welding - ARC welder - TIG welder - MIG welder - A/Ox welder = Material Handling - SMALL forklift (1000-2000lbs.) - Pallet jack |
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"Too_Many_Tools" wrote in message ps.com... Say you want to setup a home shop for both metal and wood working....what older American or European machines would you choose to populate the shop with? In a home shop environment, the size of the work envelope can vary greatly with the work done so a number of different candidates exist for the same function performed. With welders, I would consider that newer machines might be more desirable. I have listed what categories I would consider might be wanted in a combination metal and wood work shop for the serious hobbist. I look forward to hearing of your choices and the reasons why. And feel free to add any tool that I might have forgotten. Thanks TMT = Metalworking - vertical mill - horizontal mill - metal shaper - slower drill press - small metal lathe - larger metal lathe - horizontal metal bandsaw - vertical metal bandsaw - surface grinder - bench grinder - band/disc sander - belt sander - tool grinder - air compressor - arbor press - hydraulic press - heat treating furnace - bender, brake, shear, slip roll = Woodworking - table saw - cross miter saw - radial arm saw - scroll saw - vertical wood bandsaw - jointer - planer - wood shaper - wood lathe - faster drill press = Welding - ARC welder - TIG welder - MIG welder - A/Ox welder = Material Handling - SMALL forklift (1000-2000lbs.) - Pallet jack All that for a home shop? I'd have a nearly used up CNC knee mill, and a medium lathe. Throw in a bench grinder, a vice, a vertical and horizontal bandsaw, a tig welder, and a torch. With some decent tooling, that should build about anything the average farmer would need. |
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Yikes, how many "home shops" include a forklift and a pallet jack?
too many tools indeed...;^) John E. "Too_Many_Tools" wrote in message ps.com... Say you want to setup a home shop for both metal and wood working....what older American or European machines would you choose to populate the shop with? In a home shop environment, the size of the work envelope can vary greatly with the work done so a number of different candidates exist for the same function performed. With welders, I would consider that newer machines might be more desirable. I have listed what categories I would consider might be wanted in a combination metal and wood work shop for the serious hobbist. I look forward to hearing of your choices and the reasons why. And feel free to add any tool that I might have forgotten. Thanks TMT = Metalworking - vertical mill - horizontal mill - metal shaper - slower drill press - small metal lathe - larger metal lathe - horizontal metal bandsaw - vertical metal bandsaw - surface grinder - bench grinder - band/disc sander - belt sander - tool grinder - air compressor - arbor press - hydraulic press - heat treating furnace - bender, brake, shear, slip roll = Woodworking - table saw - cross miter saw - radial arm saw - scroll saw - vertical wood bandsaw - jointer - planer - wood shaper - wood lathe - faster drill press = Welding - ARC welder - TIG welder - MIG welder - A/Ox welder = Material Handling - SMALL forklift (1000-2000lbs.) - Pallet jack |
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On 2 Mar 2007 11:58:01 -0800, "Too_Many_Tools"
wrote: Say you want to setup a home shop for both metal and wood working....what older American or European machines would you choose to populate the shop with? In a home shop environment, the size of the work envelope can vary greatly with the work done so a number of different candidates exist for the same function performed. With welders, I would consider that newer machines might be more desirable. I have listed what categories I would consider might be wanted in a combination metal and wood work shop for the serious hobbist. I look forward to hearing of your choices and the reasons why. And feel free to add any tool that I might have forgotten. Thanks TMT = Metalworking - vertical mill - horizontal mill - metal shaper - slower drill press - small metal lathe - larger metal lathe - horizontal metal bandsaw - vertical metal bandsaw - surface grinder - bench grinder - band/disc sander - belt sander - tool grinder - air compressor - arbor press - hydraulic press - heat treating furnace - bender, brake, shear, slip roll = Woodworking - table saw - cross miter saw - radial arm saw - scroll saw - vertical wood bandsaw - jointer - planer - wood shaper - wood lathe - faster drill press = Welding - ARC welder - TIG welder - MIG welder - A/Ox welder = Material Handling - SMALL forklift (1000-2000lbs.) - Pallet jack Did you have a large Lottery winning. I wish I could do this. jesse |
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Too_Many_Tools wrote:
Say you want to setup a home shop for both metal and wood working....what older American or European machines would you choose to populate the shop with? In a home shop environment, the size of the work envelope can vary greatly with the work done so a number of different candidates exist for the same function performed. Never happen with my 1 bay garage. Woodworking power tools consist of circ saw, small table saw, router and sabre saw. And they get hauled out on the driveway when I use them. I can't imagine using both woodworking and metal tools in the same room given the problems with sawdust everywhere. |
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I look forward to hearing of your choices and the reasons why. In my experience, the "typical" hobbyist buys almost nothing brand new. If YOU are NOT typical and plan on buying new stuff, the list you have will cost you more than the house you're putting all that stuff in. So when buying used stuff, your choice of brands is limited to what comes along. I've bought almost exclusively used equipment for my shop. It runs the gambit from ancient US made to reasonably new Chinese. In each case, I looked past the rust to the underlying item and asked myself, "Self: can you repair it with the tools you have already in the shop?" If my answer was "No", I passed on the item. It has taken me many years to collect the tools that I now have. If you don't want to wait that long, you will likely compromise on your choices and end up with more junk than you will likely want. Gary |
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--FWIW I suggest you consider what *not* to get and steer away from
the turkey brands; i.e. Rockwell good, Sears bad, etc. Also getcher self a copy of a massive tome called "Machine Tool Reconditioning" which includes survey forms that you copy and take with you when you go to look at used machine tools: very handy that one... -- "Steamboat Ed" Haas : Time flies like an arrow; Hacking the Trailing Edge! : fruit flies like a banana... www.nmpproducts.com ---Decks a-wash in a sea of words--- |
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On Mar 2, 2:37 pm, wrote:
I look forward to hearing of your choices and the reasons why. In my experience, the "typical" hobbyist buys almost nothing brand new. Really? Maybe the above statement applies to metal working tools. But for woodworking, just read the posts on this rec.woodworking forum. Most are about which new power tool to buy. Or how to use or set it up correctly. The Jet and Grizzly and Sunhill and York and Bridgewood names have only been around for a few years. I doubt all of those were bought used. Delta and Powermatic have mostly new models out now. So they are all new tools even though the brands have been around for a long time. All of the Chinese and Taiwanese tools are of recent vintage so they were bought new, not used. As for having one shop for both metal and woodworking, I agree with the other person that they do not mix. I use two different grinders for metal and woodworking tasks. Using the metal cutoff saw/grinder or the angle grinder or anvil is always done outside or in a barn. Not in the clean woodshop. If YOU are NOT typical and plan on buying new stuff, the list you have will cost you more than the house you're putting all that stuff in. So when buying used stuff, your choice of brands is limited to what comes along. I've bought almost exclusively used equipment for my shop. It runs the gambit from ancient US made to reasonably new Chinese. In each case, I looked past the rust to the underlying item and asked myself, "Self: can you repair it with the tools you have already in the shop?" If my answer was "No", I passed on the item. It has taken me many years to collect the tools that I now have. If you don't want to wait that long, you will likely compromise on your choices and end up with more junk than you will likely want. Gary |
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A) When we built a house we used the:
table saw power miter saw hand drill Back hoe bulldozer Jointer Bandsaw Belt sander wet wheel grinder biscuit jointer router Shopspace B) When I was gardening, ranching, and clearing land I used: chain saw DR [walk behind brush hog] rototiller walk behind lawn mower riding lawn mower motorcycle jeep bulldozer Outbuilding space C) Now that I am doing gunsmithing and electronics test fixtures I use: vertical milling machine lathe standard bench grinder end of wheel bench grinder drill press TIG welder Oxyacetylene Shopspace |
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"Too_Many_Tools" wrote:
Say you want to setup a home shop for both metal and wood working....what older American or European machines would you choose to populate the shop with? In a home shop environment, the size of the work envelope can vary greatly with the work done so a number of different candidates exist for the same function performed. With welders, I would consider that newer machines might be more desirable. I have listed what categories I would consider might be wanted in a combination metal and wood work shop for the serious hobbist. I look forward to hearing of your choices and the reasons why. And feel free to add any tool that I might have forgotten. Thanks TMT = Metalworking - vertical mill - horizontal mill - metal shaper - slower drill press - small metal lathe - larger metal lathe - horizontal metal bandsaw - vertical metal bandsaw - surface grinder - bench grinder - band/disc sander - belt sander - tool grinder - air compressor - arbor press - hydraulic press - heat treating furnace - bender, brake, shear, slip roll = Woodworking - table saw - cross miter saw - radial arm saw - scroll saw - vertical wood bandsaw - jointer - planer - wood shaper - wood lathe - faster drill press - dust collection and air filtering systems = Welding - ARC welder - TIG welder - MIG welder - A/Ox welder - Plasma Cutter = Material Handling - SMALL forklift (1000-2000lbs.) - Pallet jack - Pickup truck with trailer hitch. - Trailer to haul the stuff that doesn't fit in the pickup. - Enough land to hold the large shop to put it all in. - The large shop to put it all in. - A wife that understands the addiction. -- Curt Welch http://CurtWelch.Com/ http://NewsReader.Com/ |
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Clark Magnuson wrote:
A) When we built a house we used the: table saw power miter saw hand drill Back hoe bulldozer Jointer Bandsaw Belt sander wet wheel grinder biscuit jointer router Shopspace B) When I was gardening, ranching, and clearing land I used: chain saw DR [walk behind brush hog] rototiller walk behind lawn mower riding lawn mower motorcycle jeep bulldozer Outbuilding space C) Now that I am doing gunsmithing and electronics test fixtures I use: vertical milling machine lathe standard bench grinder end of wheel bench grinder drill press TIG welder Oxyacetylene Shopspace No Forklift? |
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In rec.woodworking Too_Many_Tools wrote:
: Say you want to setup a home shop for both metal and wood : working....what older American or European machines would you choose : to populate the shop with? In a home shop environment, the size of the : work envelope can vary greatly with the work done so a number of : different candidates exist for the same function performed. Sure, but you also need to consider the type of work planned. In your WWing list, you have a scroll saw, a lathe, and a tablesaw. IME, people who scroll saw don't usually have all that other stuff, for example. So, scoller would have a scroll saw, and a variety of supplemental tools that would go with that. And why would you need both a "cross miter saw" (?) and a raidal-arm saw? And what about a router or three? And hand tools? -- Andy barss : = Woodworking : - table saw : - cross miter saw : - radial arm saw : - scroll saw : - vertical wood bandsaw : - jointer : - planer : - wood shaper : - wood lathe : - faster drill press |
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I have one recommendation about woodworking tools. If you look at old tools,
keep in mind that they may or probably predate dust collection. That means those tools will generate a MESS whenever you use them. If you think you can adapt them to collect dust, you may find yourself really challenged. Alex "Too_Many_Tools" wrote in message ps.com... Say you want to setup a home shop for both metal and wood working....what older American or European machines would you choose to populate the shop with? In a home shop environment, the size of the work envelope can vary greatly with the work done so a number of different candidates exist for the same function performed. With welders, I would consider that newer machines might be more desirable. I have listed what categories I would consider might be wanted in a combination metal and wood work shop for the serious hobbist. I look forward to hearing of your choices and the reasons why. And feel free to add any tool that I might have forgotten. Thanks TMT = Metalworking - vertical mill - horizontal mill - metal shaper - slower drill press - small metal lathe - larger metal lathe - horizontal metal bandsaw - vertical metal bandsaw - surface grinder - bench grinder - band/disc sander - belt sander - tool grinder - air compressor - arbor press - hydraulic press - heat treating furnace - bender, brake, shear, slip roll = Woodworking - table saw - cross miter saw - radial arm saw - scroll saw - vertical wood bandsaw - jointer - planer - wood shaper - wood lathe - faster drill press = Welding - ARC welder - TIG welder - MIG welder - A/Ox welder = Material Handling - SMALL forklift (1000-2000lbs.) - Pallet jack |
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For the woodshop you need:
Edge sander Wide belt or drum sander Oscillating dildo sander Dust collector Router table (shaper is nice but overkill for most hobbiest ops) Chisle mortiser Compressor Air nailers Conversion spray gun or HVLP setup Did you hit the Lotto and are going shopping this weekend On Mar 2, 11:58 am, "Too_Many_Tools" wrote: Say you want to setup a home shop for both metal and wood working....what older American or European machines would you choose to populate the shop with? In a home shop environment, the size of the work envelope can vary greatly with the work done so a number of different candidates exist for the same function performed. With welders, I would consider that newer machines might be more desirable. I have listed what categories I would consider might be wanted in a combination metal and wood work shop for the serious hobbist. I look forward to hearing of your choices and the reasons why. And feel free to add any tool that I might have forgotten. Thanks TMT = Metalworking - vertical mill - horizontal mill - metal shaper - slower drill press - small metal lathe - larger metal lathe - horizontal metal bandsaw - vertical metal bandsaw - surface grinder - bench grinder - band/disc sander - belt sander - tool grinder - air compressor - arbor press - hydraulic press - heat treating furnace - bender, brake, shear, slip roll = Woodworking - table saw - cross miter saw - radial arm saw - scroll saw - vertical wood bandsaw - jointer - planer - wood shaper - wood lathe - faster drill press = Welding - ARC welder - TIG welder - MIG welder - A/Ox welder = Material Handling - SMALL forklift (1000-2000lbs.) - Pallet jack |
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Brian Henderson wrote:
On 2 Mar 2007 12:37:49 -0800, wrote: In my experience, the "typical" hobbyist buys almost nothing brand new. If YOU are NOT typical and plan on buying new stuff, the list you have will cost you more than the house you're putting all that stuff in. Then I'm not typical because the overwhelming majority of my buys have been brand new. Then again, just about every serious woodworker I know also bought primarily new. The cost of a pretty decent shop is going to be in the neighborhood of $10K, if you can find a house for that much, buy it. Does that include the forklift? |
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With welders, I would consider that newer machines might be more
desirable. It all depends. For some standard welding, the oldest AC/DC welding machines will burn rods as good as and sometimes better than the new comparables. However, with the new advances in MIG, TIG, and other specific types of welding, yes, the new machines are way ahead of the old ones, which were the first generation. Maybe second, or third. One must analyze their needs with regards to welding, their quality standards, and what machine will get them there. No need to buy a $3,000 welder when a $200 Lincoln Tombstone will do the job. A new high line welder ......... $3,000 A new low line welder .............. $200 Knowing which one you need .......... priceless. Steve |
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On Fri, 02 Mar 2007 20:13:46 GMT, "John E."
wrote: Yikes, how many "home shops" include a forklift and a pallet jack? too many tools indeed...;^) John E. Ah....er...ahum..... Gunner "Too_Many_Tools" wrote in message ups.com... Say you want to setup a home shop for both metal and wood working....what older American or European machines would you choose to populate the shop with? In a home shop environment, the size of the work envelope can vary greatly with the work done so a number of different candidates exist for the same function performed. With welders, I would consider that newer machines might be more desirable. I have listed what categories I would consider might be wanted in a combination metal and wood work shop for the serious hobbist. I look forward to hearing of your choices and the reasons why. And feel free to add any tool that I might have forgotten. Thanks TMT = Metalworking - vertical mill - horizontal mill - metal shaper - slower drill press - small metal lathe - larger metal lathe - horizontal metal bandsaw - vertical metal bandsaw - surface grinder - bench grinder - band/disc sander - belt sander - tool grinder - air compressor - arbor press - hydraulic press - heat treating furnace - bender, brake, shear, slip roll = Woodworking - table saw - cross miter saw - radial arm saw - scroll saw - vertical wood bandsaw - jointer - planer - wood shaper - wood lathe - faster drill press = Welding - ARC welder - TIG welder - MIG welder - A/Ox welder = Material Handling - SMALL forklift (1000-2000lbs.) - Pallet jack "Liberalism is a philosophy of consolation for Western civilization as it commits suicide" - James Burnham |
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"Steve B" wrote:
No need to buy a $3,000 welder when a $200 Lincoln Tombstone will do the job. A new high line welder ......... $3,000 A new low line welder .............. $200 Knowing which one you need .......... priceless. LOL -- Curt Welch http://CurtWelch.Com/ http://NewsReader.Com/ |
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I could do without the oscillating sander. It sounds painful.
I think this is some sort of game. I do not have the time to be a wood butcher, a metal butcher, a bicyclist and a golfer. I picked 1.5 things for my free time. It takes time to learn how to use tools and I have no metal working mentors and little interest. I have a mig to fix things. When I need to do more advance metal I go to a friends shop and destroy things or pay him. No custom machining though. If a punch, saw, mig or tig welder, or grinder can't fabricate, it it is broke. Can't do without the tractor with a front end loader and a bushog. Got to have round bale forks for the loader and the rear lift. Got to have a trailer to haul hay. Have the fertilizer spreader to overseed and fertilize. 50 gallon sprayer to spray for weeds inthe pasture every two or three years. Need to replace the horse trailer. Need to figure out why the truck will not tow at highway speeds. Need a shed to get the tractor out of the weather. Once again what I need to keep things up is personal. I might need to win the lottery but that would mean I would need to start a foundation to give the money away. Excess money just creates more problems. A little more might help though. On 2 Mar 2007 15:24:17 -0800, "SonomaProducts.com" wrote: For the woodshop you need: Edge sander Wide belt or drum sander Oscillating dildo sander Dust collector Router table (shaper is nice but overkill for most hobbiest ops) Chisle mortiser Compressor Air nailers Conversion spray gun or HVLP setup Did you hit the Lotto and are going shopping this weekend On Mar 2, 11:58 am, "Too_Many_Tools" wrote: Say you want to setup a home shop for both metal and wood working....what older American or European machines would you choose to populate the shop with? In a home shop environment, the size of the work envelope can vary greatly with the work done so a number of different candidates exist for the same function performed. With welders, I would consider that newer machines might be more desirable. I have listed what categories I would consider might be wanted in a combination metal and wood work shop for the serious hobbist. I look forward to hearing of your choices and the reasons why. And feel free to add any tool that I might have forgotten. Thanks TMT = Metalworking - vertical mill - horizontal mill - metal shaper - slower drill press - small metal lathe - larger metal lathe - horizontal metal bandsaw - vertical metal bandsaw - surface grinder - bench grinder - band/disc sander - belt sander - tool grinder - air compressor - arbor press - hydraulic press - heat treating furnace - bender, brake, shear, slip roll = Woodworking - table saw - cross miter saw - radial arm saw - scroll saw - vertical wood bandsaw - jointer - planer - wood shaper - wood lathe - faster drill press = Welding - ARC welder - TIG welder - MIG welder - A/Ox welder = Material Handling - SMALL forklift (1000-2000lbs.) - Pallet jack |
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Too_Many_Tools wrote:
OK, my biased selection: = Metalworking - vertical mill - horizontal mill An old Deckel - metal shaper A Gack - slower drill press Alzmetall or Flott - small metal lathe Weiler, Schaublin - horizontal metal bandsaw - vertical metal bandsaw No band saws, cold saws! - surface grinder Not my Klaiber! - bench grinder What comes along and isn't too cheap. - air compressor - arbor press - hydraulic press What comes along = Woodworking - radial arm saw DeWalt = Welding - ARC welder - TIG welder - MIG welder EWM rulez! Nick -- *********************************** *** Available now in NZ and AUS *** *********************************** http://www.yadro.de |
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In article ,
steamer wrote: --FWIW I suggest you consider what *not* to get and steer away from the turkey brands; i.e. Rockwell good, Sears bad, etc. Also getcher self a copy of a massive tome called "Machine Tool Reconditioning" which includes survey forms that you copy and take with you when you go to look at used machine tools: very handy that one... It all depends... I don't own much Sears (any more). I think just the 1/2-inch industrial drill. But I built the house with Sears, of course a good number of the tools didn't survive much longer after the house was built. Then, as I could afford it, I replaced them with better tools. But I couldn't have afforded good tools when building the house, and built the house. -- -------------------------------------------------------- Personal e-mail is the n7bsn but at amsat.org This posting address is a spam-trap and seldom read RV and Camping FAQ can be found at http://www.ralphandellen.us/rv |
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In article . com,
" wrote: .... As for having one shop for both metal and woodworking, I agree with the other person that they do not mix. I use two different grinders for metal and woodworking tasks. Using the metal cutoff saw/grinder or the angle grinder or anvil is always done outside or in a barn. Not in the clean woodshop. The only metal working tool in my wood shop is the welder (power issues). But then the chain-saws are in the barn, along with the forge, anvil, grinders etc (the forge and anvil were my great-grandfathers and over 100 years old) -- -------------------------------------------------------- Personal e-mail is the n7bsn but at amsat.org This posting address is a spam-trap and seldom read RV and Camping FAQ can be found at http://www.ralphandellen.us/rv |
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A forklift would be nice, but where would you store it? I'm looking at "truck lifts" instead, which might also eliminate the need for a pallet jack. If you want really small lathes/mills, I like Sherline. For medium size, Wabeco is really nice. I have no experience with larger ones. For vertical bandsaws and drill presses I like Delta so far. My horizontal bandsaws are cheap ones but work fine. I like DeWalt, Makita, and Bosch for miscellaneous saws and other tools. Due to limited space, for surface grinding and horizontal milling I'm looking at the Sieg U2. Can't see making room for a shaper. I'll have to give up another garage bay (already use one plus small shop) if I add worddworking and welding. Alan "Too_Many_Tools" wrote in message ps.com... Say you want to setup a home shop for both metal and wood working....what older American or European machines would you choose to populate the shop with? In a home shop environment, the size of the work envelope can vary greatly with the work done so a number of different candidates exist for the same function performed. With welders, I would consider that newer machines might be more desirable. I have listed what categories I would consider might be wanted in a combination metal and wood work shop for the serious hobbist. I look forward to hearing of your choices and the reasons why. And feel free to add any tool that I might have forgotten. Thanks TMT = Metalworking - vertical mill - horizontal mill - metal shaper - slower drill press - small metal lathe - larger metal lathe - horizontal metal bandsaw - vertical metal bandsaw - surface grinder - bench grinder - band/disc sander - belt sander - tool grinder - air compressor - arbor press - hydraulic press - heat treating furnace - bender, brake, shear, slip roll = Woodworking - table saw - cross miter saw - radial arm saw - scroll saw - vertical wood bandsaw - jointer - planer - wood shaper - wood lathe - faster drill press = Welding - ARC welder - TIG welder - MIG welder - A/Ox welder = Material Handling - SMALL forklift (1000-2000lbs.) - Pallet jack |
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A forklift would be nice, but where would you store it? I'm looking at "truck lifts"
instead, which might also eliminate the need for a pallet jack. Truck lift? Could you expand on this? Thanks TMT On Mar 3, 11:06 am, "Alan Wright" wrote: A forklift would be nice, but where would you store it? I'm looking at "truck lifts" instead, which might also eliminate the need for a pallet jack. If you want really small lathes/mills, I like Sherline. For medium size, Wabeco is really nice. I have no experience with larger ones. For vertical bandsaws and drill presses I like Delta so far. My horizontal bandsaws are cheap ones but work fine. I like DeWalt, Makita, and Bosch for miscellaneous saws and other tools. Due to limited space, for surface grinding and horizontal milling I'm looking at the Sieg U2. Can't see making room for a shaper. I'll have to give up another garage bay (already use one plus small shop) if I add worddworking and welding. Alan "Too_Many_Tools" wrote in glegroups.com... Say you want to setup a home shop for both metal and wood working....what older American or European machines would you choose to populate the shop with? In a home shop environment, the size of the work envelope can vary greatly with the work done so a number of different candidates exist for the same function performed. With welders, I would consider that newer machines might be more desirable. I have listed what categories I would consider might be wanted in a combination metal and wood work shop for the serious hobbist. I look forward to hearing of your choices and the reasons why. And feel free to add any tool that I might have forgotten. Thanks TMT = Metalworking - vertical mill - horizontal mill - metal shaper - slower drill press - small metal lathe - larger metal lathe - horizontal metal bandsaw - vertical metal bandsaw - surface grinder - bench grinder - band/disc sander - belt sander - tool grinder - air compressor - arbor press - hydraulic press - heat treating furnace - bender, brake, shear, slip roll = Woodworking - table saw - cross miter saw - radial arm saw - scroll saw - vertical wood bandsaw - jointer - planer - wood shaper - wood lathe - faster drill press = Welding - ARC welder - TIG welder - MIG welder - A/Ox welder = Material Handling - SMALL forklift (1000-2000lbs.) - Pallet jack- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - |
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On Sat, 03 Mar 2007 01:57:09 GMT, Lobby Dosser
wrote: Brian Henderson wrote: Then I'm not typical because the overwhelming majority of my buys have been brand new. Then again, just about every serious woodworker I know also bought primarily new. The cost of a pretty decent shop is going to be in the neighborhood of $10K, if you can find a house for that much, buy it. Does that include the forklift? I have yet to ever find myself needing a forklift of any size and only once or twice thought a pallet jack might be sort of useful. Where are you going to park the forklift when you're not using it anyhow? Isn't that just wasted space that you could have more tools or storage? |
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On Sat, 03 Mar 2007 07:40:10 -0800, Ralph E Lindberg
wrote: The only metal working tool in my wood shop is the welder (power issues). But then the chain-saws are in the barn, along with the forge, anvil, grinders etc (the forge and anvil were my great-grandfathers and over 100 years old) I actually have a couple that get used infrequently, mostly because I might want to make some custom fitting for a wood project. Otherwise, metal working tools just don't get much use. |
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Brian Henderson wrote:
On Sat, 03 Mar 2007 01:57:09 GMT, Lobby Dosser wrote: Brian Henderson wrote: Then I'm not typical because the overwhelming majority of my buys have been brand new. Then again, just about every serious woodworker I know also bought primarily new. The cost of a pretty decent shop is going to be in the neighborhood of $10K, if you can find a house for that much, buy it. Does that include the forklift? I have yet to ever find myself needing a forklift of any size and only once or twice thought a pallet jack might be sort of useful. Where are you going to park the forklift when you're not using it anyhow? Isn't that just wasted space that you could have more tools or storage? That's what I was wondering. :^) |
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On Sat, 03 Mar 2007 07:40:10 -0800, Ralph E Lindberg
wrote: The only metal working tool in my wood shop is the welder (power issues). I have _three_ metalworking tools: Hammer Pop rivet tool Snips G |
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A "truck lift" or "lift truck" is apparently designed to lift things from the floor up to the loading height of a truck. They also call them "stackers", in another context. Here is one example: http://www.grizzly.com/products/H6294 McMaster-Carr has a bunch of models under "lift truck". Alan "Too_Many_Tools" wrote in message ps.com... A forklift would be nice, but where would you store it? I'm looking at "truck lifts" instead, which might also eliminate the need for a pallet jack. Truck lift? Could you expand on this? Thanks TMT On Mar 3, 11:06 am, "Alan Wright" wrote: A forklift would be nice, but where would you store it? I'm looking at "truck lifts" instead, which might also eliminate the need for a pallet jack. If you want really small lathes/mills, I like Sherline. For medium size, Wabeco is really nice. I have no experience with larger ones. For vertical bandsaws and drill presses I like Delta so far. My horizontal bandsaws are cheap ones but work fine. I like DeWalt, Makita, and Bosch for miscellaneous saws and other tools. Due to limited space, for surface grinding and horizontal milling I'm looking at the Sieg U2. Can't see making room for a shaper. I'll have to give up another garage bay (already use one plus small shop) if I add worddworking and welding. Alan "Too_Many_Tools" wrote in glegroups.com... Say you want to setup a home shop for both metal and wood working....what older American or European machines would you choose to populate the shop with? In a home shop environment, the size of the work envelope can vary greatly with the work done so a number of different candidates exist for the same function performed. With welders, I would consider that newer machines might be more desirable. I have listed what categories I would consider might be wanted in a combination metal and wood work shop for the serious hobbist. I look forward to hearing of your choices and the reasons why. And feel free to add any tool that I might have forgotten. Thanks TMT = Metalworking - vertical mill - horizontal mill - metal shaper - slower drill press - small metal lathe - larger metal lathe - horizontal metal bandsaw - vertical metal bandsaw - surface grinder - bench grinder - band/disc sander - belt sander - tool grinder - air compressor - arbor press - hydraulic press - heat treating furnace - bender, brake, shear, slip roll = Woodworking - table saw - cross miter saw - radial arm saw - scroll saw - vertical wood bandsaw - jointer - planer - wood shaper - wood lathe - faster drill press = Welding - ARC welder - TIG welder - MIG welder - A/Ox welder = Material Handling - SMALL forklift (1000-2000lbs.) - Pallet jack- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - |
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Okay....now I understand.
VERY USEFUL machines, Every shop should have at least one. Here is a site that discusses a number of variations. http://www.stackers.co.uk/ The downside is most cannot cross gravel or grass....so the search for a smaller pneumatic forklift. TMT On Mar 3, 7:34 pm, "Alan Wright" wrote: A "truck lift" or "lift truck" is apparently designed to lift things from the floor up to the loading height of a truck. They also call them "stackers", in another context. Here is one example:http://www.grizzly.com/products/H6294 McMaster-Carr has a bunch of models under "lift truck". Alan "Too_Many_Tools" wrote in glegroups.com... A forklift would be nice, but where would you store it? I'm looking at "truck lifts" instead, which might also eliminate the need for a pallet jack. Truck lift? Could you expand on this? Thanks TMT On Mar 3, 11:06 am, "Alan Wright" wrote: A forklift would be nice, but where would you store it? I'm looking at "truck lifts" instead, which might also eliminate the need for a pallet jack. If you want really small lathes/mills, I like Sherline. For medium size, Wabeco is really nice. I have no experience with larger ones. For vertical bandsaws and drill presses I like Delta so far. My horizontal bandsaws are cheap ones but work fine. I like DeWalt, Makita, and Bosch for miscellaneous saws and other tools. Due to limited space, for surface grinding and horizontal milling I'm looking at the Sieg U2. Can't see making room for a shaper. I'll have to give up another garage bay (already use one plus small shop) if I add worddworking and welding. Alan "Too_Many_Tools" wrote in glegroups.com... Say you want to setup a home shop for both metal and wood working....what older American or European machines would you choose to populate the shop with? In a home shop environment, the size of the work envelope can vary greatly with the work done so a number of different candidates exist for the same function performed. With welders, I would consider that newer machines might be more desirable. I have listed what categories I would consider might be wanted in a combination metal and wood work shop for the serious hobbist. I look forward to hearing of your choices and the reasons why. And feel free to add any tool that I might have forgotten. Thanks TMT = Metalworking - vertical mill - horizontal mill - metal shaper - slower drill press - small metal lathe - larger metal lathe - horizontal metal bandsaw - vertical metal bandsaw - surface grinder - bench grinder - band/disc sander - belt sander - tool grinder - air compressor - arbor press - hydraulic press - heat treating furnace - bender, brake, shear, slip roll = Woodworking - table saw - cross miter saw - radial arm saw - scroll saw - vertical wood bandsaw - jointer - planer - wood shaper - wood lathe - faster drill press = Welding - ARC welder - TIG welder - MIG welder - A/Ox welder = Material Handling - SMALL forklift (1000-2000lbs.) - Pallet jack- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - |
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On Sun, 04 Mar 2007 00:00:37 GMT, B A R R Y
wrote: On Sat, 03 Mar 2007 07:40:10 -0800, Ralph E Lindberg wrote: The only metal working tool in my wood shop is the welder (power issues). I have _three_ metalworking tools: Hammer Pop rivet tool Snips G Geeze, Ive got 4x that in the top tray of ONE of my truck tool boxes Gunner Political Correctness A doctrine fostered by a delusional, illogical liberal minority and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end. |
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Just a little note of caution.
Fire and wood shouldn't go together unless it's in a fireplace, barbecue or smoker. In an enclosed space, especially a basement . . . charlie b |
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On Sat, 03 Mar 2007 20:00:00 GMT, Brian Henderson
wrote: Does that include the forklift? I have yet to ever find myself needing a forklift of any size and only once or twice thought a pallet jack might be sort of useful. Where are you going to park the forklift when you're not using it anyhow? Isn't that just wasted space that you could have more tools or storage? A forklift makes a nice welding platform as well as making it easy to move assemblies around. Tell the Missus you need a self propelled welding platform. Its much easier on your back when you can raise or lower the weldments to the proper heights G Gunner Political Correctness A doctrine fostered by a delusional, illogical liberal minority and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end. |
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On 3 Mar 2007 18:19:24 -0800, "Too_Many_Tools"
wrote: Okay....now I understand. VERY USEFUL machines, Every shop should have at least one. Here is a site that discusses a number of variations. http://www.stackers.co.uk/ The downside is most cannot cross gravel or grass....so the search for a smaller pneumatic forklift. Also be aware that forklifts have a hard time in gravel. I found that out when picking up my shipment of cherry from the UPS terminal. Their forklift got stuck in the gravel in the truck yard while attempting to load onto my pickup. The gravel was dry, the forklift was standard warehouse LP-powered with smooth rubber. .... snip +--------------------------------------------------------------------------------+ If you're gonna be dumb, you better be tough +--------------------------------------------------------------------------------+ |
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Truck lift ??
here's a truck lift, made for wood turners. http://www.woodcentral.com/cgi-bin/a....pl?read=37384 On Mar 3, 12:18 pm, "Too_Many_Tools" wrote: A forklift would be nice, but where would you store it? I'm looking at "truck lifts" instead, which might also eliminate the need for a pallet jack. Truck lift? Could you expand on this? Thanks TMT On Mar 3, 11:06 am, "Alan Wright" wrote: A forklift would be nice, but where would you store it? I'm looking at "truck lifts" instead, which might also eliminate the need for a pallet jack. If you want really small lathes/mills, I like Sherline. For medium size, Wabeco is really nice. I have no experience with larger ones. For vertical bandsaws and drill presses I like Delta so far. My horizontal bandsaws are cheap ones but work fine. I like DeWalt, Makita, and Bosch for miscellaneous saws and other tools. Due to limited space, for surface grinding and horizontal milling I'm looking at the Sieg U2. Can't see making room for a shaper. I'll have to give up another garage bay (already use one plus small shop) if I add worddworking and welding. Alan "Too_Many_Tools" wrote in glegroups.com... Say you want to setup a home shop for both metal and wood working....what older American or European machines would you choose to populate the shop with? In a home shop environment, the size of the work envelope can vary greatly with the work done so a number of different candidates exist for the same function performed. With welders, I would consider that newer machines might be more desirable. I have listed what categories I would consider might be wanted in a combination metal and wood work shop for the serious hobbist. I look forward to hearing of your choices and the reasons why. And feel free to add any tool that I might have forgotten. Thanks TMT = Metalworking - vertical mill - horizontal mill - metal shaper - slower drill press - small metal lathe - larger metal lathe - horizontal metal bandsaw - vertical metal bandsaw - surface grinder - bench grinder - band/disc sander - belt sander - tool grinder - air compressor - arbor press - hydraulic press - heat treating furnace - bender, brake, shear, slip roll = Woodworking - table saw - cross miter saw - radial arm saw - scroll saw - vertical wood bandsaw - jointer - planer - wood shaper - wood lathe - faster drill press = Welding - ARC welder - TIG welder - MIG welder - A/Ox welder = Material Handling - SMALL forklift (1000-2000lbs.) - Pallet jack- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - |
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On Sun, 04 Mar 2007 03:25:48 GMT, Gunner
wrote: On Sun, 04 Mar 2007 00:00:37 GMT, B A R R Y wrote: I have _three_ metalworking tools: Hammer Pop rivet tool Snips G Geeze, Ive got 4x that in the top tray of ONE of my truck tool boxes I'm posting from the rec.woodworking perspective. My usual metalworking consists of rearranging dust collection duct and the rare decorative stamped tin panel. |
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On 3 Mar 2007 18:19:24 -0800, "Too_Many_Tools"
wrote: The downside is most cannot cross gravel or grass.... Or get into a basement shop. |
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On Sun, 04 Mar 2007 06:33:09 -0500, B A R R Y
wrote: On Sun, 04 Mar 2007 03:25:48 GMT, Gunner wrote: On Sun, 04 Mar 2007 00:00:37 GMT, B A R R Y wrote: I have _three_ metalworking tools: Hammer Pop rivet tool Snips G Geeze, Ive got 4x that in the top tray of ONE of my truck tool boxes I'm posting from the rec.woodworking perspective. My usual metalworking consists of rearranging dust collection duct and the rare decorative stamped tin panel. Ah! Im a machine tool (metal AND wood working) service tech...so I have to be a bit better equipped I guess G Gunner Political Correctness A doctrine fostered by a delusional, illogical liberal minority and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end. |
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