I'm looking at getting out of my 1-car garage and renting shop space. I
found a place, but the space will be long and narrow (21' x 64'). I'm going
to do my homework., but since this will be my first space, I was hoping
someone with long, narrow shops could share their experiences, both good and
bad. I have a book on shop desing (forget the author at the moment), but
none of the shops were long and narrow. There were laundry room examples,
duplex/condo examples, but no long and narrow shops.

Like I said, I'm just looking for ideas and experiences. I've been waiting
for space for years and this is the first on in my neighborhood that's come
along.

Mike
Alameda, CA

On Feb 1, 1:54 pm, "Mike Dembroge"
wrote:
I'm looking at getting out of my 1-car garage and renting shop space. I
found a place, but the space will be long and narrow (21' x 64'). I'm going
to do my homework., but since this will be my first space, I was hoping
someone with long, narrow shops could share their experiences, both good and
bad. I have a book on shop desing (forget the author at the moment), but
none of the shops were long and narrow. There were laundry room examples,
duplex/condo examples, but no long and narrow shops.

Like I said, I'm just looking for ideas and experiences. I've been waiting
for space for years and this is the first on in my neighborhood that's come
along.

Mike
Alameda, CA

http://www.taunton.com/finewoodworking/pages/w00102.asp

"Mike Dembroge" wrote in message
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I'm looking at getting out of my 1-car garage and renting shop space. I
found a place, but the space will be long and narrow (21' x 64'). I'm
going to do my homework., but since this will be my first space, I was
hoping someone with long, narrow shops could share their experiences, both
good and bad. I have a book on shop desing (forget the author at the
moment), but none of the shops were long and narrow. There were laundry
room examples, duplex/condo examples, but no long and narrow shops.

Like I said, I'm just looking for ideas and experiences. I've been
waiting for space for years and this is the first on in my neighborhood
that's come along.

We had a similar set-up. Shorter but much less width also... Maybe 40' X
12' or maybe 15'... We had storage on one side and work areas on the other.
Storage was maximized by going up and work was areas were maximized by
having counter tops in 10' or 12' lengths basically...

We didn't have much large equipment at the time...
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On Thu, 01 Feb 2007 18:54:59 GMT, "Mike Dembroge"
wrote:

I'm looking at getting out of my 1-car garage and renting shop space. I
found a place, but the space will be long and narrow (21' x 64'). I'm going
to do my homework., but since this will be my first space, I was hoping
someone with long, narrow shops could share their experiences, both good and
bad.

21 feet isn't narrow. 21 feet is more than a lot of people have in
the long dimension. Typically you orient the table saw along the long
dimension because you need room both in front and behind to run long
boards and sheet goods through. But you have enough width to do that
across the width of the space, so you really have tremendous freedom
to do whatever you like.

Can you put up walls? Having a finishing room would be a big help.
If you could cut off say 10' at the end and use part of that for
lumber storage and the rest as a finishing room that would be a start.


-Leuf

On 01/02/2007 1:54 PM, Mike Dembroge wrote:

I'm looking at getting out of my 1-car garage and renting shop space. I
found a place, but the space will be long and narrow (21' x 64').

Jeez, I'd sell my first-born for something that 'long and narrow' :-)

Think about project flow. Lumber storage shuled be near the main big
entrance so you don't have to schlep it all the way through the shop.
Then cutoff station is next. Follwed by jointer\planer\tablesaw combo
area. Many times you will cycle through the jointer, TS, Planer
several times if you are using rough stock Then farther back is the
milling area (drill rout, etc.) Coming back down the other wall you
have assembly, then finishing, then storage\shipping back near the big
main entrance.

I am just over the hill in Pleasanton so if you need anyone to help
use your shop just let me know. I also have a box van for moving big
stuff and wouldn't mind having a place to setup my 18"planer\molder
\sander\gang ripper, I just lost my temp shop residence due to
increase in rate I couldn't justify.

BW


On Feb 1, 10:54 am, "Mike Dembroge"
wrote:
I'm looking at getting out of my 1-car garage and renting shop space. I
found a place, but the space will be long and narrow (21' x 64'). I'm going
to do my homework., but since this will be my first space, I was hoping
someone with long, narrow shops could share their experiences, both good and
bad. I have a book on shop desing (forget the author at the moment), but
none of the shops were long and narrow. There were laundry room examples,
duplex/condo examples, but no long and narrow shops.

Like I said, I'm just looking for ideas and experiences. I've been waiting
for space for years and this is the first on in my neighborhood that's come
along.

Mike
Alameda, CA

Mike Dembroge wrote:
I'm looking at getting out of my 1-car garage and renting shop space. I
found a place, but the space will be long and narrow (21' x 64'). I'm going
to do my homework., but since this will be my first space, I was hoping
someone with long, narrow shops could share their experiences, both good and
bad. I have a book on shop desing (forget the author at the moment), but
none of the shops were long and narrow. There were laundry room examples,
duplex/condo examples, but no long and narrow shops.

Like I said, I'm just looking for ideas and experiences. I've been waiting
for space for years and this is the first on in my neighborhood that's come
along.

Mike
Alameda, CA


I'd make up a drawing at 1/4" scale on some Clearpoint vellum and start
cutting out thick cardboard footprints for your machinery and areas
associated therewith. Then focus on your dust collection and start
doing the math on calculating your static pressure losses and see what
kind of wiggle room you have. You may want to locate the dust collector
first and then have work areas/machines fall into place to minimize
static pressure loss.

I live in an apartment and have built a collapsible workshop that can be
assembled and disassembled in 1/2 hour in my parking bay... I have
suspended 6" Schedule 35 drainpipe with 6" flexible hoses that are
easily hung from clamps so there is no intrusion or damage to the
landlords property, yet have the permanency when installed of a regular
system. When the shop is disassembled and in the storage shed, the only
evidence that something has been there are a couple 3" C-clamps on the
joists with 2" webbed connectors -- very unobstrusive visually.

I found that the dust collection system design was a critical factor in
layout, much more than I would have guessed when I embarked on this project.

On Feb 2, 7:01 am, "John L. Poole" wrote:
Mike Dembroge wrote:
I'm looking at getting out of my 1-car garage and renting shop space. I
found a place, but the space will be long and narrow (21' x 64'). I'm going
to do my homework., but since this will be my first space, I was hoping
someone with long, narrow shops could share their experiences, both good and
bad. I have a book on shop desing (forget the author at the moment), but
none of the shops were long and narrow. There were laundry room examples,
duplex/condo examples, but no long and narrow shops.

Like I said, I'm just looking for ideas and experiences. I've been waiting
for space for years and this is the first on in my neighborhood that's come
along.

Mike
Alameda, CA

I'd make up a drawing at 1/4" scale on some Clearpoint vellum and start
cutting out thick cardboard footprints for your machinery and areas
associated therewith. Then focus on your dust collection and start
doing the math on calculating your static pressure losses and see what
kind of wiggle room you have. You may want to locate the dust collector
first and then have work areas/machines fall into place to minimize
static pressure loss.

I live in an apartment and have built a collapsible workshop that can be
assembled and disassembled in 1/2 hour in my parking bay... I have
suspended 6" Schedule 35 drainpipe with 6" flexible hoses that are
easily hung from clamps so there is no intrusion or damage to the
landlords property, yet have the permanency when installed of a regular
system. When the shop is disassembled and in the storage shed, the only
evidence that something has been there are a couple 3" C-clamps on the
joists with 2" webbed connectors -- very unobstrusive visually.

I found that the dust collection system design was a critical factor in
layout, much more than I would have guessed when I embarked on this project.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Grizzly has a handy tool here that lets you try different layouts
http://www.grizzly.com/workshopplanner.cfm?

There is another one with Bob Vila's name on it that lets you layout a
whole house IIRC.

On Fri, 02 Feb 2007 12:01:02 GMT, "John L. Poole"
wrote:

Mike Dembroge wrote:
I'm looking at getting out of my 1-car garage and renting shop space. I
found a place, but the space will be long and narrow (21' x 64'). I'm going
to do my homework., but since this will be my first space, I was hoping
someone with long, narrow shops could share their experiences, both good and
bad. I have a book on shop desing (forget the author at the moment), but
none of the shops were long and narrow. There were laundry room examples,
duplex/condo examples, but no long and narrow shops.

Like I said, I'm just looking for ideas and experiences. I've been waiting
for space for years and this is the first on in my neighborhood that's come
along.

Mike
Alameda, CA


I'd make up a drawing at 1/4" scale on some Clearpoint vellum and start
cutting out thick cardboard footprints for your machinery and areas
associated therewith. Then focus on your dust collection and start
doing the math on calculating your static pressure losses and see what
kind of wiggle room you have. You may want to locate the dust collector
first and then have work areas/machines fall into place to minimize
static pressure loss.

I live in an apartment and have built a collapsible workshop that can be
assembled and disassembled in 1/2 hour in my parking bay... I have
suspended 6" Schedule 35 drainpipe with 6" flexible hoses that are
easily hung from clamps so there is no intrusion or damage to the
landlords property, yet have the permanency when installed of a regular
system. When the shop is disassembled and in the storage shed, the only
evidence that something has been there are a couple 3" C-clamps on the
joists with 2" webbed connectors -- very unobstrusive visually.

Do you have some pictures posted anywhere? This sounds like something
that you might want to write up and submit to a magazine when you have
time.

I found that the dust collection system design was a critical factor in
layout, much more than I would have guessed when I embarked on this project.

Leuf wrote:


21 feet isn't narrow. 21 feet is more than a lot of people have in
the long dimension.

Tell me about it. G

Thu, Feb 1, 2007, 3:33pm (Leuf) doth sayeth:
21 feet isn't narrow. 21 feet is more than a lot of people have in the
long dimension. snip

That's known asa drive-by gloat. My heart really bleeds for him.
My shop is 8' X 12', and I feel damn fortunate I've got a shop at all.
I feel sooo sad for the poor guy.



JOAT
Only those who have the patience to do simple things perfectly will
acquire the skill to do difficult things easily.
- Johann Von Schiller

J T wrote:

That's known asa drive-by gloat. My heart really bleeds for him.
My shop is 8' X 12', and I feel damn fortunate I've got a shop at all.
I feel sooo sad for the poor guy.


I think he needs some big-ass columns, a litter box, and some food bowls
in strategic places. G

Barry (who recently stepped backwards into a wet bowl of Friskies Tuna
Chicken Delight while face jointing, causing him to totally forget to
send JOAT the sanding disc.)

Mike Dembroge wrote:
I'm looking at getting out of my 1-car garage and renting shop
space. I found a place, but the space will be long and narrow (21'
x 64'). I'm going to do my homework., but since this will be my
first space, I was hoping someone with long, narrow shops could
share their experiences, both good and bad. I have a book on shop
desing (forget the author at the moment), but none of the shops
were long and narrow. There were laundry room examples,
duplex/condo examples, but no long and narrow shops.

Like I said, I'm just looking for ideas and experiences. I've been
waiting for space for years and this is the first on in my
neighborhood that's come along.

At 21' wide you have sufficient space along each side for
machines/cabinets, 2 aisles of reasonable size and a center "island"
of machines. That's what I'd do.

I'd also work out a GOOD lumber/panel storage area at one end...one
that is easily loaded and unloaded. In fact, I'd spend more time
planning that than anything else.

Grizzly has a shop planner. Go play with it...
http://images.grizzly.com/shopplanne...hopplanner.cfm


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Fri, Feb 2, 2007, 2:26pm (EST+5)
(B*A*R*R*Y) doth sayeth:
I think he needs some big-ass columns, a litter box, and some food bowls
in strategic places. G
Barry (who recently stepped backwards into a wet bowl of Friskies Tuna
Chicken Delight while face jointing, causing him to totally forget to
send JOAT the sanding disc.)

Better yet, may he be cursed with teenaged sons into cars. That'll
suck up all that space quick.

Sounds like the cat(s) are eating better than you. Any excuse will
do if yer hard up for one, eh? LOL



JOAT
Only those who have the patience to do simple things perfectly will
acquire the skill to do difficult things easily.
- Johann Von Schiller

Leuf,
Yes, I know it is big. My current space is 10 feet by about 12 feet. I'm
in a 1-car garage and roll things out into the driveway to make room. About
a year and a half ago, I started doing work-for-hire and have been going
gang busters ever since. So, I'm going to take the plunge and rent a "real"
space for the first time. I've never really set up a shop before because
with small spaces, things just go where they fit. No sense in arranging
things for ergonomics or efficiency when you're never more than a few feet
away from everything.

Regarding walls, yes, I can put up partitions and am going to make a small
office space so I can have a place for the computer, etc. I haven't worked
out a finishing room yet, but will work on that.

Mike



"Leuf" wrote in message
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On Thu, 01 Feb 2007 18:54:59 GMT, "Mike Dembroge"
wrote:

I'm looking at getting out of my 1-car garage and renting shop space. I
found a place, but the space will be long and narrow (21' x 64'). I'm
going
to do my homework., but since this will be my first space, I was hoping
someone with long, narrow shops could share their experiences, both good
and
bad.

21 feet isn't narrow. 21 feet is more than a lot of people have in
the long dimension. Typically you orient the table saw along the long
dimension because you need room both in front and behind to run long
boards and sheet goods through. But you have enough width to do that
across the width of the space, so you really have tremendous freedom
to do whatever you like.

Can you put up walls? Having a finishing room would be a big help.
If you could cut off say 10' at the end and use part of that for
lumber storage and the rest as a finishing room that would be a start.


-Leuf

"dadiOH" wrote in message
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Mike Dembroge wrote:
I'm looking at getting out of my 1-car garage and renting shop
space. I found a place, but the space will be long and narrow (21'
x 64'). I'm going to do my homework., but since this will be my
first space, I was hoping someone with long, narrow shops could
share their experiences, both good and bad. I have a book on shop
desing (forget the author at the moment), but none of the shops
were long and narrow. There were laundry room examples,
duplex/condo examples, but no long and narrow shops.

Like I said, I'm just looking for ideas and experiences. I've been
waiting for space for years and this is the first on in my
neighborhood that's come along.

At 21' wide you have sufficient space along each side for
machines/cabinets, 2 aisles of reasonable size and a center "island"
of machines. That's what I'd do.

I'd also work out a GOOD lumber/panel storage area at one end...one
that is easily loaded and unloaded. In fact, I'd spend more time
planning that than anything else.

Grizzly has a shop planner. Go play with it...
http://images.grizzly.com/shopplanne...hopplanner.cfm

Thanks for the URL. I'll give it a look-see.

Mike Dembroge wrote:

I'm looking at getting out of my 1-car garage and renting shop space. I
found a place, but the space will be long and narrow (21' x 64'). I'm
going
to do my homework., but since this will be my first space, I was hoping
someone with long, narrow shops could share their experiences, both good
and
bad.

Think material flow.

Raw material comes in one end, finished product goes out the other.

Provide your table saw with lots of run out tables as well as side
support so than you can safely single hand 4x8 sheets of material.

Good luck.

Lew

"Mike Dembroge" wrote in message
t...
Leuf,
Yes, I know it is big. My current space is 10 feet by about 12 feet. I'm
in a 1-car garage and roll things out into the driveway to make room.
About a year and a half ago, I started doing work-for-hire and have been
going gang busters ever since. So, I'm going to take the plunge and rent
a "real" space for the first time. I've never really set up a shop before
because with small spaces, things just go where they fit. No sense in
arranging things for ergonomics or efficiency when you're never more than
a few feet away from everything.

Regarding walls, yes, I can put up partitions and am going to make a small
office space so I can have a place for the computer, etc. I haven't
worked out a finishing room yet, but will work on that.

Mike

Glad things are going well for you.

I read in a book about a cabinet builder who got tired of the 4'x8' sheet of
plywood wanted being at the bottom of the stack or closest to the wall. He
built a sheet goods rack the same height as the bed of his pickup truck to
make unloading easy. It was also designed & positioned to reduce the work
of feeding the sheets into the table saw. If you work with sheet goods you
should read the article IMO. It was in a book I checked out of my local
public library, and I *think* this was the book.

Shop Accessories You Can Build (Best of Fine Woodworking)
http://www.amazon.com/Shop-Accessori.../dp/1561581186

Perhaps someone here can confirm/deny that this is the book.

-- Mark

J. Clarke wrote:
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Do you have some pictures posted anywhere? This sounds like something
that you might want to write up and submit to a magazine when you have
time.

Not yet; it's been a project with uncounted hours devoted to it, but it
should inspire those who rent (and have understanding landlords and
neighbors) -- you can do woodworking without a permanent shop. I plan
to document it after I finish the collapsible workbench portion.