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Uneven wear on jointer blades
I just changed my 6" jointer blades.
One was badly worn, one a little worn, one looked like new. Is there any possible explanation for this other than the obvious? (geez, it seemed to work okay...) Do I need to get them all sharpened to maintain balance, or can I just get the bad one done? |
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"Toller" wrote in message ... I just changed my 6" jointer blades. One was badly worn, one a little worn, one looked like new. Is there any possible explanation for this other than the obvious? (geez, it seemed to work okay...) Do I need to get them all sharpened to maintain balance, or can I just get the bad one done? I'm not sure, but it seems to me that the blades were set at different heights. One probably wasn't touching the wood. |
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"Toller" wrote in message ... I just changed my 6" jointer blades. One was badly worn, one a little worn, one looked like new. Is there any possible explanation for this other than the obvious? (geez, it seemed to work okay...) Do I need to get them all sharpened to maintain balance, or can I just get the bad one done? You most likely do not have all of them set at the same height relative to the out feed table. Why not sharpen them yourself? You will be surprised how easy it is. Check out my knife sharpening jig: http://www.garagewoodworks.com/jigsfixtures.htm -- Stoutman www.garagewoodworks.com |
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In article , "Toller" wrote:
I just changed my 6" jointer blades. One was badly worn, one a little worn, one looked like new. Set too high, just right, and too low, respectively. Is there any possible explanation for this other than the obvious? Not sure what's "obvious" from your perspective... but different blade heights seems obvious from mine. (geez, it seemed to work okay...) You'll be amazed at how much better it works when all three knives are doing the same amount of cutting. -- Regards, Doug Miller (alphageek at milmac dot com) It's time to throw all their damned tea in the harbor again. |
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"Doug Miller" wrote in message et... In article , "Toller" wrote: I just changed my 6" jointer blades. One was badly worn, one a little worn, one looked like new. Set too high, just right, and too low, respectively. Is there any possible explanation for this other than the obvious? Not sure what's "obvious" from your perspective... but different blade heights seems obvious from mine. That's only because you're a pedantic *******! Can't you post a straight reply to anyone without swinging your dick in your hands? (geez, it seemed to work okay...) You'll be amazed at how much better it works when all three knives are doing the same amount of cutting. -- Regards, Doug Miller (alphageek at milmac dot com) It's time to throw all their damned tea in the harbor again. |
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As the others have already said, the knives on your jointer weren't
properly aligned. When one stands higher than the others it will end up doing most of the cutting and show the most wear. Doug is right, you will be amazed at how much better your jointer works when the knives are properly aligned. Follow this link to see how it's done with a dial indicator jig: http://www.ts-aligner.com/jointer.htm Let me know if you have any questions. Ed Bennett http://www.ts-aligner.com Toller wrote: I just changed my 6" jointer blades. One was badly worn, one a little worn, one looked like new. Is there any possible explanation for this other than the obvious? (geez, it seemed to work okay...) Do I need to get them all sharpened to maintain balance, or can I just get the bad one done? |
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"Toller" wrote in message ... I just changed my 6" jointer blades. One was badly worn, one a little worn, one looked like new. Is there any possible explanation for this other than the obvious? (geez, it seemed to work okay...) Do I need to get them all sharpened to maintain balance, or can I just get the bad one done? I'd resharpen them all as it should require little more time. You are going to want to align all of them anyway. |
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"B A R R Y" wrote in message ... On Sat, 09 Dec 2006 17:20:50 GMT, "Toller" wrote: I just changed my 6" jointer blades. One was badly worn, one a little worn, one looked like new. Somebody needs a dial indicator and magnetic base! G Well actually that's what prompted the question. I set them today the same way I did last time. When I saw the wear pattern on the old set I realized I must have screwed up last time and checked my work with a dial indicator. Everything was within a thousanth! And if I did it right this time, I should also have done it right last time. So... I am wondering if there could be another cause for the uneven wear. Or maybe I am just getting better at it. |
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Toller wrote: Well actually that's what prompted the question. I set them today the same way I did last time. When I saw the wear pattern on the old set I realized I must have screwed up last time and checked my work with a dial indicator. Everything was within a thousanth! And if I did it right this time, I should also have done it right last time. So... I am wondering if there could be another cause for the uneven wear. Check your technique when you are setting the blades. Make sure after all installation adjustments that you check one more time to make sure they are all uniform. Also, since the screws on my Jet are made from lead or something even softer, I was reluctant to really snug up the holding screws. I had similar problems with yours as the blades would eventually loosen and move. They worked fine when sharp, but the more dulled the blades, the more they moved. But the witness marks on the blades to set the initial alignment told me what happened. Replace the screws and snug well. No more problems. Robert |
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"B A R R Y" wrote in message ... On Sat, 09 Dec 2006 22:34:13 GMT, "Toller" wrote: Everything was within a thousanth! And if I did it right this time, I should also have done it right last time. So... I am wondering if there could be another cause for the uneven wear. What are you referencing from? The outfeed table. Probably best to check the infeed table also, though a problem there would show up as more wear on one side, wouldn't it? |
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It is possible that your jointer knives experienced some sloppy heat
treating at the beginning of their lives and the hardness varies considerably. I have noticed this with the "Regrind" angle sets that I sell. Some are so hard that they barely take my mark (not tempered). Some are so soft that the marking raises quite a ridge around each dot (probably quenched below the critical temperature). You can check the relative hardness of your knives with one of those automatic center punches (with the internal spring action). Make a punch in an inconspicuous area on each knife and compare the size of the divots. Big divot means soft steel. You can use a small stone to grind down any ridges you might raise. It is also possible that the knives weren't aligned properly the first time. Maybe you've gotten better at it, maybe you were just lucky this time. The traditional methods rely on a degree of subjective judgment (which I have always had a hard time mastering). I know that my results with these methods are rather inconsistent. Sometimes good but more often not so good. Nothing beats the objectivity of the dial indicator. It is possible to use a dial indicator in such a way to convince yourself that the knives are properly aligned when they really aren't. Unfortunately, following the directions contained in many magazines and books will make you vulnerable to such an error. Contrary to popular belief, you should not use a flat indicator stylus tip moving along the knife edge to align jointer knives. You should use a round stylus tip and move it across the edge of the knife at various points. I have a write-up with a video on my web site about this: http://www.ts-aligner.com/alignmentmyths.htm Scroll down to the section entitled: "Using a flat indicator tip to set jointer knives". Let me know if you have any questions or if there is anything I can do to help. Ed Bennett http://www.ts-aligner.com Toller wrote: Well actually that's what prompted the question. I set them today the same way I did last time. When I saw the wear pattern on the old set I realized I must have screwed up last time and checked my work with a dial indicator. Everything was within a thousanth! And if I did it right this time, I should also have done it right last time. So... I am wondering if there could be another cause for the uneven wear. Or maybe I am just getting better at it. |
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"Toller" wrote in message ... I just changed my 6" jointer blades. One was badly worn, one a little worn, one looked like new. When I saw the wear pattern on the old set I realized I must have screwed up last time and checked my work with a dial indicator. Everything was within a thousanth! And if I did it right this time, I should also have done it right last time. So... I am wondering if there could be another cause for the uneven wear. Or maybe I am just getting better at it. Could be as simple as having the grinds at somewhat different angles. Makes the one blade more vulnerable to chipping on a fragile edge than the one ground properly. Never had the courage to lay a stone on the outfeed and make that secondary bevel like some books recommend, but that is even less subject to wear in theory. Also gets them nuts on with the level of the outfeed without fiddling.... |
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On Dec 9, 8:34 pm, wrote: Contrary to popular belief, you should not use a flat indicator stylus tip moving along the knife edge to align jointer knives. You should use a round stylus tip and move it across the edge of the knife at various points. I have a write-up with a video on my web site about this: http://www.ts-aligner.com/alignmentmyths.htm Scroll down to the section entitled: "Using a flat indicator tip to set jointer knives". Let me know if you have any questions or if there is anything I can do to help. Ed Bennett I like even better using a parallel on the outfeed table extending over the knife, with a dial indicator bearing on the top of the parallel. Rotating the cutterhead will lift the knife, and that's what you measure with the indicator. Doesn't matter what shape the contact point is, and it doesn't require you to lock the cutterhead at TDC. John Martin Cumberland, Maine |
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Hi John,
That is an excellent idea! Now I'll have to go and create a whole new video! Thanks, Ed Bennett http://www.ts-aligner.com John Martin wrote: I like even better using a parallel on the outfeed table extending over the knife, with a dial indicator bearing on the top of the parallel. Rotating the cutterhead will lift the knife, and that's what you measure with the indicator. Doesn't matter what shape the contact point is, and it doesn't require you to lock the cutterhead at TDC. John Martin Cumberland, Maine |
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"John Martin" wrote in message ups.com... On Dec 9, 8:34 pm, wrote: Contrary to popular belief, you should not use a flat indicator stylus tip moving along the knife edge to align jointer knives. You should use a round stylus tip and move it across the edge of the knife at various points. I have a write-up with a video on my web site about this: http://www.ts-aligner.com/alignmentmyths.htm Scroll down to the section entitled: "Using a flat indicator tip to set jointer knives". Let me know if you have any questions or if there is anything I can do to help. Ed Bennett I like even better using a parallel on the outfeed table extending over the knife, with a dial indicator bearing on the top of the parallel. Rotating the cutterhead will lift the knife, and that's what you measure with the indicator. Doesn't matter what shape the contact point is, and it doesn't require you to lock the cutterhead at TDC. I don't know what you mean by parallel. I did it by putting the indicator bearing over the knife and rotating the cutterhead. As each knife passed it would raise the indicator bearing. What is wrong with that? It doesn't have to be at TDC, but then you don't know if they are even with the outfeed table; just that they are even to each other. |
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Toller wrote:
I like even better using a parallel on the outfeed table extending over the knife, with a dial indicator bearing on the top of the parallel. Rotating the cutterhead will lift the knife, and that's what you measure with the indicator. Doesn't matter what shape the contact point is, and it doesn't require you to lock the cutterhead at TDC. I don't know what you mean by parallel. I did it by putting the indicator bearing over the knife and rotating the cutterhead. As each knife passed it would raise the indicator bearing. What is wrong with that? The 'parallel' he is talking about is a machinists set up tool. It's a rectangular bar of steel with precisely parallel edges and faces. Normally it is also ground very smooth. Laying the indicator tip against that smooth face is easier than trying to get it to hit the knife edge. That's all. You are right, TDC is irrelevant. What IS relevant is that the relationship (angle and distance) between the cutters and the indicator tip not change between measurements. Bill --- avast! Antivirus: Outbound message clean. Virus Database (VPS): 0655-1, 12/08/2006 Tested on: 12/11/2006 2:24:35 AM avast! - copyright (c) 1988-2006 ALWIL Software. http://www.avast.com |
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On Dec 11, 12:38 am, "Toller" wrote: I don't know what you mean by parallel. I did it by putting the indicator bearing over the knife and rotating the cutterhead. As each knife passed it would raise the indicator bearing. What is wrong with that? It doesn't have to be at TDC, but then you don't know if they are even with the outfeed table; just that they are even to each other.- The parallel is a machinist's parallel. Usually sold in pairs, typical size might be 6" long, 1" wide, 1/2" thick. Precision ground parallel and flat on all faces, hardened steel. Most dial indicators have a convex contact. If you want to accurately set the jointer knife, you have to make sure that when it is exactly at TDC it is hitting exactly the lowest point of the contact. Pretty tough to do unless, as with Ed's jig, you fix the knife at TDC and run the contact over it. If you put a parallel in between, you don't even have to make sure that the indicator is on a wide, flat stable base. You can use it on a magnetic base. It may not read the same when you set it up on the other end of the knife, but that doesn't matter. The only thing that matters is how much the knife lifts the parallel when it rotates. John Martin |
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Stoutman wrote: "Toller" wrote in message Why not sharpen them yourself? You will be surprised how easy it is. For Toller? |
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Hi Bill,
I'm not sure what you mean by this. Are you referring to the height (vertical position) of the indicator stylus tip? Or are you referring to the horizontal offset between the indicator tip and the knife edge? I can see how the vertical position is absolutely vital! As you move horizontally, away from the knife edge, the reading will become smaller. I was thinking that it was best to be directly over the knife edge but it doesn't seem so critical. All you are looking to do is minimize the change in reading as the knife graces the parallel. One could say that this is the "carry method" without the subjective element. I like it. Ed Bennett http://www.ts-aligner.com Bill in Detroit wrote: Use a mag base to keep the relationship between cutting tip and indicator tip constant. If that distance changes, all bets are off. Bill --- avast! Antivirus: Outbound message clean. Virus Database (VPS): 0655-1, 12/08/2006 Tested on: 12/11/2006 2:15:35 AM avast! - copyright (c) 1988-2006 ALWIL Software. http://www.avast.com |
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