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I have been doing woodworking as a hobby for the last couple of months.
After a couple of projects, I slowly acquired a tablesaw and other power tools and now in need of a drill press to make those accurate holes. I spent two whole days researching between 10" and 12" drill presses and between delta and ryobi. All my power tools are ryobi and all of them work great so naturally I am biased towards ryobi. As a matter of fact I bought the ryobi 10" DP at homedepot yesterday for $99. It is the new model with laser crosshairs. It works fine. But I am wondering if I should have got the 12" ryobi new model which had lasers plus variable speeds. I could not find a single review of this new 12" ryobi DP. It has infinite speeds between 500 and 3000rpm. 5A motor. Will it be worth spending $169 for the 12" one ? please advice. I dont want to outgrow a new DP very soon. Thanks, -joy |
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wrote in message ps.com... I have been doing woodworking as a hobby for the last couple of months. After a couple of projects, I slowly acquired a tablesaw and other power tools and now in need of a drill press to make those accurate holes. I spent two whole days researching between 10" and 12" drill presses and between delta and ryobi. All my power tools are ryobi and all of them work great so naturally I am biased towards ryobi. As a matter of fact I bought the ryobi 10" DP at homedepot yesterday for $99. It is the new model with laser crosshairs. It works fine. But I am wondering if I should have got the 12" ryobi new model which had lasers plus variable speeds. I could not find a single review of this new 12" ryobi DP. It has infinite speeds between 500 and 3000rpm. 5A motor. Will it be worth spending $169 for the 12" one ? please advice. I dont want to outgrow a new DP very soon. Thanks, -joy Joy, believe me when I tell you that you will quickly outgrow that drill press. I am in full agreement that the DP is one of the most used and abused tools in my shop. I have the Delta 16" VS DP and it functions very well, but even with this machine, I sometimes wish I had a larger model. Take back the 10" and get the largest (variable speed is an absolute must) machine you can find. If you want to save a few bucks, look for a large used one. You will not be sorry. Dave |
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wrote in message ps.com... IAll my power tools are ryobi and all of them work great so naturally I am biased towards ryobi. Report back in a year and see if you still feel the same. Will it be worth spending $169 for the 12" one ? please advice. I dont want to outgrow a new DP very soon. Yes. I have a 12" and I'd never want to go smaller. It is not often I'd like larger, but 10" it too small long term. In a month you won't be happy with it. |
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wrote in message ps.com... I have been doing woodworking as a hobby for the last couple of months. After a couple of projects, I slowly acquired a tablesaw and other power tools and now in need of a drill press to make those accurate holes. I spent two whole days researching between 10" and 12" drill presses and between delta and ryobi. All my power tools are ryobi and all of them work great so naturally I am biased towards ryobi. As a matter of fact I bought the ryobi 10" DP at homedepot yesterday for $99. It is the new model with laser crosshairs. It works fine. But I am wondering if I should have got the 12" ryobi new model which had lasers plus variable speeds. I could not find a single review of this new 12" ryobi DP. It has infinite speeds between 500 and 3000rpm. 5A motor. Will it be worth spending $169 for the 12" one ? please advice. I dont want to outgrow a new DP very soon. Thanks, -joy both are better than a hand operated drill, but..... I have been using a Rockwell 32" radial drill press since the late 70's and have never wanted for more. These typically will cost more than what you are looking at but will probably last you from here on out. Take a look at the Grizzly here, http://www.grizzly.com/products/G7945 . |
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Thanks a lot everyone.
It now makes sense to go for a 12" DP. I will probably upgrade it today. Now I wonder why I dont see a single review of the newer ryobi 12" with laser crosshair and variable speeds (500-3000). I will probably get that one unless someone can tell me good enough reasons to go for delta 12" with 5 speeds (620-3100). I saw a 12" DP on craigslist for $100 but it is without the laser crosshairs and has fixed speeds. but it is the older ryobi with 280-3000 range. Here is my woodworking gallery: www.pbase.com/jdutta78/woodworks I saw the grizzly radial one, but not sure if I will order it online. I prefer to buy heavy stuff like these locally. -joy Edwin Pawlowski wrote: wrote in message ps.com... IAll my power tools are ryobi and all of them work great so naturally I am biased towards ryobi. Report back in a year and see if you still feel the same. Will it be worth spending $169 for the 12" one ? please advice. I dont want to outgrow a new DP very soon. Yes. I have a 12" and I'd never want to go smaller. It is not often I'd like larger, but 10" it too small long term. In a month you won't be happy with it. |
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wrote in message ups.com... Thanks a lot everyone. It now makes sense to go for a 12" DP. I will probably upgrade it today. Now I wonder why I dont see a single review of the newer ryobi 12" with laser crosshair and variable speeds (500-3000). I will probably get that one unless someone can tell me good enough reasons to go for delta 12" with 5 speeds (620-3100). I saw a 12" DP on craigslist for $100 but it is without the laser crosshairs and has fixed speeds. but it is the older ryobi with 280-3000 range. Here is my woodworking gallery: www.pbase.com/jdutta78/woodworks I saw the grizzly radial one, but not sure if I will order it online. I prefer to buy heavy stuff like these locally. -joy Joy, If this is going to be a serious hobby, forget about lasers and other gizmos. Buy the biggest, heaviest one you can afford. Used is not a bad option. Dave |
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I guess I am really liking woodworking as a hobby.
My other hobby is photography, but I cant do it just anytime I want. Woodworking is independent of time so I am getting more hooked. I am looking at craigslist now to get a good deal on a 12" of not larger drill press. thanks for the inputs. -joy Joy, If this is going to be a serious hobby, forget about lasers and other gizmos. Buy the biggest, heaviest one you can afford. Used is not a bad option. Dave |
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my $99 10" ryobi DP is also VS by switching the belt. the new 12" ryobi has a handle which varies size of pulleys so you can get ANY speed you want. you are right about the tuition fact. In two days of my my exhaustive research on DPs I learnt a lot of stuff. I always find that buying a little more than the cheapest item on the market is usually better. I am happy I bought the ryobi portable table saw bts20r for $220 instead of the cheapest $99 one. So I guess same could happen to this case too. happy woodworking, -joy I bought a tiny HF VS DP for $30. Works great. If I outgrow it tomorrow, that's OK. I'll get whatever I need then and be happy that I have a smaller drill press that does what it does. I'd feel the same way if I spent $99 on the Ryobi. Even if all you do is learn a little about DPs (including maybe that you need a bigger one), $30-$100 is dirt cheap for tuition plus materials-- especially considering that you can recover some value by selling, giving away, or repurposing the thing. As long as it works. The VS on mine works by switching the belts around on stepped pullies, btw. As for the aspersions some will cast on the Ryobi name: I've had the low-end Ryobi fixed-base router for years, and my father has had the same one |
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Joy, I have several questions on digitally photographing pens. I've got
some ideas I'd like to discuss with you. ( yes you can mix woodworking and photography ) Troy wrote: I guess I am really liking woodworking as a hobby. My other hobby is photography, but I cant do it just anytime I want. Woodworking is independent of time so I am getting more hooked. I am looking at craigslist now to get a good deal on a 12" of not larger drill press. thanks for the inputs. -joy |
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yeah I have researched that too. the 10" DP has 2 3/8" quill travel
while the 12" DP has 3 1/4". On Oct 4, 4:02 pm, Troy wrote: One important thing that nobody has yet mentioned is "Spindle stroke". This is the length of downward movement that the drill press will go without changing the table position. In my case since I'm frequently drilling through pieces of wood 3-3½" it was important to me to have that spindle stroke capacity. Size of DP does NOT guarantee longer stroke. This specification will be clearly marked on the box and in my opinion is more important then variable speed changing methods. VS is important but it really doesn't matter much whether its belt or electronic. Almost ALL drill press's will offset the table for taller pieces if need be as far as I know. So think about what your going to be making and get something that has a spindle stroke to match OR BETTER. Troy |
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I would take a look at the older one if I were you. Every drill press on
the market goes faster than what you need but few go slow enough. 500 is to fast for a lot of things. A variable speed drive on a drill press is nothing to pay extra for. You don't need it and will find that you don't change speeds much. wrote in message ups.com... Thanks a lot everyone. It now makes sense to go for a 12" DP. I will probably upgrade it today. Now I wonder why I dont see a single review of the newer ryobi 12" with laser crosshair and variable speeds (500-3000). I will probably get that one unless someone can tell me good enough reasons to go for delta 12" with 5 speeds (620-3100). I saw a 12" DP on craigslist for $100 but it is without the laser crosshairs and has fixed speeds. but it is the older ryobi with 280-3000 range. Here is my woodworking gallery: www.pbase.com/jdutta78/woodworks I saw the grizzly radial one, but not sure if I will order it online. I prefer to buy heavy stuff like these locally. -joy Edwin Pawlowski wrote: wrote in message ps.com... IAll my power tools are ryobi and all of them work great so naturally I am biased towards ryobi. Report back in a year and see if you still feel the same. Will it be worth spending $169 for the 12" one ? please advice. I dont want to outgrow a new DP very soon. Yes. I have a 12" and I'd never want to go smaller. It is not often I'd like larger, but 10" it too small long term. In a month you won't be happy with it. |
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In article .com,
wrote: yeah I have researched that too. the 10" DP has 2 3/8" quill travel while the 12" DP has 3 1/4". On Oct 4, 4:02 pm, Troy wrote: One important thing that nobody has yet mentioned is "Spindle stroke". This is the length of downward movement that the drill press will go without changing the table position. In my case since I'm frequently drilling through pieces of wood 3-3½" it was important to me to have that spindle stroke capacity. Size of DP does NOT guarantee longer stroke. This specification will be clearly marked on the box and in my opinion is more important then variable speed changing methods. VS is important but it really doesn't matter much whether its belt or electronic. Almost ALL drill press's will offset the table for taller pieces if need be as far as I know. So think about what your going to be making and get something that has a spindle stroke to match OR BETTER. Troy Yeah, what Troy said. Variable speed by belt & pulley changing is no big deal, the laser pointers don't matter either. But there's a big difference between 2 3/8" and 3 1/4" stroke. Consider that the smaller is not adequate to go through 2 2X's clamped together, or for that matter, may not even go through a 2X plus a 1X total thickness. I've got an old Rockwell radial also, so I never lack for swing distance, but I've often wished it's slowest speed was a little slower. -- No dumb questions, just dumb answers. Larry Wasserman - Baltimore, Maryland - |
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I saw a 12" DP on craigslist for $100 but it is without the laser crosshairs and has fixed speeds. but it is the older ryobi with 280-3000 range. You can use other techniques instead of a laser built into a drill. Machinists have been solving this problem for 100 years.... 1. Use a small drill to find the exact spot. 2. Get a laser center finder. http://www.ares-server.com/Ares/Ares...oduct&ID=83191 3. Get a wiggler. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wiggler_(tool) http://www.amazon.com/Wiggler-Center.../dp/B0007KXN5W -- Sending unsolicited commercial e-mail to this account incurs a fee of $500 per message, and acknowledges the legality of this contract. |
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ok, so it looks like I got to try hard to get the older ryobi 12" DP
with 280-3000 range or get it new from HD. i can make do without laser and continuous variable speeds. I wish the new ryobi had 280 rpm as slowest speed. what a pity they made a new model with bells and whistles and LED rpm readout but without a critical feature. -joy |
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just back from home depot. returned the 10" ryobi DP without hassle.
now I find that both the older 12" and new 12" DP are at the same price of $169. I would really love to have the new one, but will be patient to search for a used one. floor model could be nice, but right now my workshop is just a 5'x11' storage room... On Oct 4, 6:12 pm, Lew Hodgett wrote: wrote: ok, so it looks like I got to try hard to get the olderryobi12" DP with 280-3000 range or get it new from HD. i can make do without laser and continuous variable speeds. I wish the newryobihad 280 rpm as slowest speed. what a pity they made a new model with bells and whistles and LED rpm readout but without a critical feature. SFWIW, the last thing you need on adrillpressis "ginger bread". What you do need is low end RPM, long spindle travel, good bearing assembly. At this point, continuous variable speed might be nice, but a 16 speed unit will let you do a lot of work. If you have the floor space, consider a 16 speed, floor mount unit obtained in the used equipment market. Lew |
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bit the dust and got the new ryobi 12" DP for $169. figured that I wont
work on metal so 500rpm as lowest wont hurt. I would have got the older one if price was less. Hope to use this dp for a long time now. thanks to all for the inputs. -joy On Oct 4, 7:46 pm, " wrote: just back from home depot. returned the 10" ryobi DP without hassle. now I find that both the older 12" and new 12" DP are at the same price of $169. I would really love to have the new one, but will be patient to search for a used one. floor model could be nice, but right now my workshop is just a 5'x11' storage room... On Oct 4, 6:12 pm, Lew Hodgett wrote: wrote: ok, so it looks like I got to try hard to get the olderryobi12" DP with 280-3000 range or get it new from HD. i can make do without laser and continuous variable speeds. I wish the newryobihad 280 rpm as slowest speed. what a pity they made a new model with bells and whistles and LED rpm readout but without a critical feature. SFWIW, the last thing you need on adrillpressis "ginger bread". What you do need is low end RPM, long spindle travel, good bearing assembly. At this point, continuous variable speed might be nice, but a 16 speed unit will let you do a lot of work. If you have the floor space, consider a 16 speed, floor mount unit obtained in the used equipment market. Lew |
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I really wish I could go for a floor model but it was way over my
budget and i dont have any more space. its quite a long way for me to get my own condo/townhouse and a workshop in a garage. for now i have to make do with the biggest i could afford. the harbor freight floor model was tempting but no retail store near me thanks for the great advice. -joy Yeah, my shop isn't much bigger than that. I'd recommend forgetting both Ryobi models and getting the Ridgid floor-standing model at Home Depot - $270 or so is reasonable, I think, if there's any way at all you can afford it. I'll agree with everyone else that the DP is one of the most frequently used tools in my shop - I have a 50+ year old Atlas model with about 4.5" of spindle travel, and it's absolutely worth the space it takes up (compared to a portable bench-top unit). I was fortunate enough to inherit this tool, so I didn't have to pay for it, but I've added a LinkBelt, a table with fence + t-tracks, and a pulley/counterweight so the table is easier to move up and down. I've never wished for a laser. Another option, besides looking around for used ones (craigslist, ebay) would be to check out Harbor Freight if there's a store near you - I've heard their DPs (especially their higher-end ones) are not too bad. According to their website, they have a few 16-speed models, around 14", for $185-190. I would definitely say that size/weight upgrade would be worth $20 compared to the Ryobi. In my opinion, an extra 50 lbs of cast iron is a great feature to dampen vibration and just lend more overall "solidity". Just my opinions, Andy |
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"CW" snip Every drill press on the market goes faster than what you need but few go slow enough. 500 is to fast for a lot of things. A variable speed drive on a drill press is nothing to pay extra for. You don't need it and will find that you don't change speeds much. Depending on how and what you use the DP for. I am constantly changing speeds, switching between small and large bits, forstners bits and between drilling large or small holes in metals. I would not have a DP without variable speed. Granted to OP may not need it today, but someday soon maybe - why limit yourself? Dave |
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I am loving the utility of the lasers and the variable speed. just what
i wanted to have in a DP. As a starter, I am making a wooden game of abalone for my niece, and had to make 61 hemispherical crevices on the hexagonal piece. lasers made it fast. and i experimented with several speeds before getting a optimum one for the right cut quality. I used a router bit for this, and depth stop on the DP. I will keep you guyz posted on my work. will upload my work on my woodwork gallery: www.pbase.com/jdutta78/woodworks -joy Depending on how and what you use the DP for. I am constantly changing speeds, switching between small and large bits, forstners bits and between drilling large or small holes in metals. I would not have a DP without variable speed. Granted to OP may not need it today, but someday soon maybe - why limit yourself? Dave |
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wrote in message oups.com... yeah I have researched that too. the 10" DP has 2 3/8" quill travel while the 12" DP has 3 1/4". On Oct 4, 4:02 pm, Troy wrote: One important thing that nobody has yet mentioned is "Spindle stroke". This is the length of downward movement that the drill press will go without changing the table position. In my case since I'm frequently drilling through pieces of wood 3-3½" it was important to me to have that spindle stroke capacity. Size of DP does NOT guarantee longer stroke. This specification will be clearly marked on the box and in my opinion is more important then variable speed changing methods. VS is important but it really doesn't matter much whether its belt or electronic. Almost ALL drill press's will offset the table for taller pieces if need be as far as I know. So think about what your going to be making and get something that has a spindle stroke to match OR BETTER. Troy You can get around a short stroke. Drill as deep as you can, turn the DP off, raise the table so that the bit goes down in the hole, secure the wood and turn the DP back on and continue drilling. |
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hi leon,
I learnt about that technique too, among a lot of other things, in just 2 days, thanks to my "confusion" . am just feeling good about not risking outgrowing my DP too soon. I liked that 10" but the extra power of this 12" might come handy some day. thanks for your input. -joy Leon wrote: You can get around a short stroke. Drill as deep as you can, turn the DP off, raise the table so that the bit goes down in the hole, secure the wood and turn the DP back on and continue drilling. |
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On 4 Oct 2006 12:22:01 -0700, "
wrote: I have been doing woodworking as a hobby for the last couple of months. After a couple of projects, I slowly acquired a tablesaw and other power tools and now in need of a drill press to make those accurate holes. I spent two whole days researching between 10" and 12" drill presses and between delta and ryobi. All my power tools are ryobi and all of them work great so naturally I am biased towards ryobi. As a matter of fact I bought the ryobi 10" DP at homedepot yesterday for $99. It is the new model with laser crosshairs. It works fine. But I am wondering if I should have got the 12" ryobi new model which had lasers plus variable speeds. I could not find a single review of this new 12" ryobi DP. It has infinite speeds between 500 and 3000rpm. 5A motor. Will it be worth spending $169 for the 12" one ? please advice. I dont want to outgrow a new DP very soon. Thanks, -joy My first (and only) is a Delta floor model. I have to slip the belt over pulleys to change speeds, but for the most part I keep it at 1000 rpm. I'm really glad to have a floor model. Whatever you use, I found that a cheap drafting lamp mounted nearby gives all the light I need. |
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took me several happy hours today to make a sturdy bench for the 12"
ryobi DP. I will be adding a caster platform to it tomorrow. I really love this drill. a floor model could definitely offer a lot more, but this will just do for me. In rare cases of drilling on big workpieces I can swing the head. But for those cases when you need to drill a dowel hole, I have the doweling jig and the hand power drill. Love the lasers and built-in light. Minimalistic design. The variable speed is a boon too, can always fine tune the speed for a work at hand. A couple pics: -drill press on bench: http://www.pbase.com/jdutta78/image/68174565 -bench: http://www.pbase.com/jdutta78/image/68174564 -caster below table saw: http://www.pbase.com/jdutta78/image/68174566 happy woodworking. -j Phisherman wrote: My first (and only) is a Delta floor model. I have to slip the belt over pulleys to change speeds, but for the most part I keep it at 1000 rpm. I'm really glad to have a floor model. Whatever you use, I found that a cheap drafting lamp mounted nearby gives all the light I need. |
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-j
Phisherman wrote: My first (and only) is a Delta floor model. I have to slip the belt over pulleys to change speeds, but for the most part I keep it at 1000 rpm. I'm really glad to have a floor model. Whatever you use, I found that a cheap drafting lamp mounted nearby gives all the light I need. the best thing I did for my floor dp is replce the chuck with a keyless chuck. Believe it or not .. with the key chuck I was having trouble getting a good bite on the drill bit, it would keep slipping on heavy load. Since I have replace it with a good keyless .. it no longer slips and it seems to have less wobble. mike |
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