I'm looking for a large table saw. Lowes has a Hitachi (CFL10) and a Delta
(not sure of number) brand. Both are $500. The Delta gives you a choise of
three fences that have to be purchased separately, making the Delta more
expensive.

I'm leaning towards the Delta. The fence goes out to 30", all plates of the
table are cast iron and the design is more conventional with the motor in
the rear.

Anyone familiar with these? Please give me some feedback.
Thanks

I was just examining a Ridgid table saw -- also in the ~$500 range, at Home
Depot, and was quite impressed with it. Along with the ones you mention,
it's one I'll be considering when I replace my marginal Ryobi BT-3000 next
month. You might want to check it out, look into reviews, etc.

Joe


"SimonLW" wrote in message
...
I'm looking for a large table saw. Lowes has a Hitachi (CFL10) and a Delta
(not sure of number) brand. Both are $500. The Delta gives you a choise of
three fences that have to be purchased separately, making the Delta more
expensive.

I'm leaning towards the Delta. The fence goes out to 30", all plates of
the table are cast iron and the design is more conventional with the motor
in the rear.

Anyone familiar with these? Please give me some feedback.
Thanks

SimonLW wrote:
I'm looking for a large table saw. Lowes has a Hitachi (CFL10) and a Delta
(not sure of number) brand. Both are $500. The Delta gives you a choise of
three fences that have to be purchased separately, making the Delta more
expensive.

I'm leaning towards the Delta. The fence goes out to 30", all plates of the
table are cast iron and the design is more conventional with the motor in
the rear.

Anyone familiar with these? Please give me some feedback.
Thanks


Hi, You may want to consider one of the newer hybrid saws when you are
getting in that price range. Its not quite a cabinet saw but from what I
hear they are very nice for the $$.

Here is one http://www.grizzly.com/products/G0478
and Delta's
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00...4?ie=UTF8&s=hi

These both come with a fairly decent fence.

Good luck

SimonLW wrote:
I'm looking for a large table saw. Lowes has a Hitachi (CFL10) and a Delta
(not sure of number) brand. Both are $500. The Delta gives you a choise of
three fences that have to be purchased separately, making the Delta more
expensive.

I'm leaning towards the Delta. The fence goes out to 30", all plates of the
table are cast iron and the design is more conventional with the motor in
the rear.

Anyone familiar with these? Please give me some feedback.


Not familiar with those saws, but last year I bought a Craftsman 22124
hybrid saw.Take a look at these. You'll be glad you did.

They are made by Orion, which, I understand, is manned by old Delta
employees.

In fact, the newer Delta hybrid looks amazingly like the Orion saws.
They may be the same.

"SimonLW" wrote in message
...
I'm looking for a large table saw. Lowes has a Hitachi (CFL10) and a Delta
(not sure of number) brand. Both are $500. The Delta gives you a choise of
three fences that have to be purchased separately, making the Delta more
expensive.

I'm leaning towards the Delta. The fence goes out to 30", all plates of
the table are cast iron and the design is more conventional with the motor
in the rear.

Anyone familiar with these? Please give me some feedback.
Thanks

Cruise over to HD and check out the Ridgid as well.

"Locutus" wrote in message
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"SimonLW" wrote in message
...
I'm looking for a large table saw. Lowes has a Hitachi (CFL10) and a
Delta (not sure of number) brand. Both are $500. The Delta gives you a
choise of three fences that have to be purchased separately, making the
Delta more expensive.

I'm leaning towards the Delta. The fence goes out to 30", all plates of
the table are cast iron and the design is more conventional with the
motor in the rear.

Anyone familiar with these? Please give me some feedback.
Thanks

Cruise over to HD and check out the Ridgid as well.

I have the C10FL and like it. The fence is o.k., has a slot in the top and
holes drilled thru the sides. I have the Forrest Woodworker saw blade on it
and can cut oak with no bog down. It also has a 15 amp motor, 120 or 240
volts, like the Delta. Only thing is stuf like zero clearance plates are not
available for it.
Anyone know how come both motors are 15 amp but Delta is 1.5hp and Hitachi
is 3hp? I'm not good at that stuff.

"Jimmy" wrote in message
et...

I have the C10FL and like it. The fence is o.k., has a slot in the top and
holes drilled thru the sides. I have the Forrest Woodworker saw blade on
it and can cut oak with no bog down. It also has a 15 amp motor, 120 or
240 volts, like the Delta. Only thing is stuf like zero clearance plates
are not available for it.
Anyone know how come both motors are 15 amp but Delta is 1.5hp and Hitachi
is 3hp? I'm not good at that stuff.

Does that saw have an induction motor or a Universal motor?

Darrell

"Jimmy" said:


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Anyone know how come both motors are 15 amp but Delta is 1.5hp and Hitachi
is 3hp? I'm not good at that stuff.


Amperage is much more of a valid measurement of "usable" power output
than the HP "ratings" on the electric motors in consumer products. The
manufacturer frequently wants to present the motor with as high a
power rating as possible and will calculate the "power" from the
locked rotor current draw which gives a much higher power (voltage X
amperage) rating that the motor can ever produce in normal operation.

I have a shop vacuum that is "rated" at 4.5 HP at 120VAC. If that
sucker ever tried to develop 4.5 HP on a 15amp 120VAC circuit it would
blow circuit breakers all over the country. I also have a cabinet saw
that is fairly honestly rated at 3 HP. I doubt very seriously that I
could upgrade the saw using the shop-vac motor.

Bottom line - ignore the HP ratings. More likely than not they are
marketing hype. To get a more realistic measure of the motor's usable
power, check the rated amperage.

"Darrell Dorsey" wrote in message
rvers.com...

"Jimmy" wrote in message
et...

I have the C10FL and like it. The fence is o.k., has a slot in the top
and holes drilled thru the sides. I have the Forrest Woodworker saw blade
on it and can cut oak with no bog down. It also has a 15 amp motor, 120
or 240 volts, like the Delta. Only thing is stuf like zero clearance
plates are not available for it.
Anyone know how come both motors are 15 amp but Delta is 1.5hp and
Hitachi is 3hp? I'm not good at that stuff.

Does that saw have an induction motor or a Universal motor?

Darrell


It says induction.
http://hitachi.schematic.com/store_i...th=1,11,4,p250,

Tom Veatch . wrote:
"Jimmy" said:
Anyone know how come both motors are 15 amp but Delta is 1.5hp and Hitachi
is 3hp? I'm not good at that stuff.


Amperage is much more of a valid measurement of "usable" power output
than the HP "ratings" on the electric motors in consumer products. The

Not really. They're both subject to marketing hype.

manufacturer frequently wants to present the motor with as high a
power rating as possible and will calculate the "power" from the
locked rotor current draw which gives a much higher power (voltage X

The same condition gives a much higher amperage, too.

Bottom line - ignore the HP ratings. More likely than not they are
marketing hype. To get a more realistic measure of the motor's usable
power, check the rated amperage.

Seriously, the amp ratings get as wildly exaggerated as the HP ratings.
In fact, in the scenario you suggest, they are deriving the HP rating
from the amperage draw at locked rotor condition.

Bill Ranck
Blacksburg, Va.

Anyone know how come both motors are 15 amp but Delta is 1.5hp and Hitachi
is 3hp? I'm not good at that stuff.

In round numbers, 1 HP is about 750 watts. Not exactly, but that's an
easy number to remember and is close enough for "back of the envelope"
calculating.

That means that a 1 HP motor should draw about 6 amps on a 120VAC
circuit, and maybe it would if you ever found one that was 100%
electrically and mechanically efficient. Considering those
inefficiencies, 10 to 12 amps for a 1 HP motor (half that on a 240VAC
supply) is a lot closer to reality.

SimonLW wrote:
I'm looking for a large table saw. Lowes has a Hitachi (CFL10) and a Delta
(not sure of number) brand. Both are $500. The Delta gives you a choise of
three fences that have to be purchased separately, making the Delta more
expensive.

I'm leaning towards the Delta. The fence goes out to 30", all plates of the
table are cast iron and the design is more conventional with the motor in
the rear.

Anyone familiar with these? Please give me some feedback.
Thanks

Apparently you're comparing "contractors'" and "benchtop" saws. There
are compromises with both groups. Some would really surprise, like the
feeble trunnion connections on "contractors'" saws.

Was just shopping recently, to replace the Hitachi benchtop I'd
(slowly) worn out. Makita 2704X1 said "take me home" because of
extensible table, very nice fence & guard & adjustments. And the very
solid wheeled cart you bolt the saw-part to. The ability to cut through
3 9/16" was a real plus. And ... the included blade (24T, thin-kerf) is
good enough to consider buying separately for the $22 I've seen it
available for. After using the saw for a few hours, I'd say that the
motor/drive is a real beauty- quite powerful and much quieter than some
other universal-motor/reduction-gear saws. A keeper, IMHO.

Western Tool had a really good price, too.

J

SimonLW wrote:
I'm looking for a large table saw. Lowes has a Hitachi (CFL10) and
a Delta
(not sure of number) brand. Both are $500. The Delta gives you a
choise of
three fences that have to be purchased separately, making the Delta
more
expensive.

I'm leaning towards the Delta. The fence goes out to 30", all
plates of the
table are cast iron and the design is more conventional with the
motor in
the rear.

The Delta sounds like a Contractor saw.

The most important part of a table saw is the fence.

Add a Unifence to the Delta and you will be good to go.

I've had one for 7-8 years.

Lew

That's a standard contractor saw from Delta. When you add
the better fence(Biesemeyer or Unifence) you are at $800,
which is the going price for that saw. It's a decent
contractor saw with a 1.5HP motor. Contractor saws require
more "maintenance" and "tuning" than a standard cabinet saw.

For a wee bit more money you could have a "lite version"
of Unisaw...

http://woodworker.com/cgi-bin/FULLPR...PARTNUM=36-732


SimonLW wrote:

I'm looking for a large table saw. Lowes has a Hitachi (CFL10) and a Delta
(not sure of number) brand. Both are $500. The Delta gives you a choise of
three fences that have to be purchased separately, making the Delta more
expensive.

I'm leaning towards the Delta. The fence goes out to 30", all plates of the
table are cast iron and the design is more conventional with the motor in
the rear.

Anyone familiar with these? Please give me some feedback.
Thanks

Pat Barber wrote:
That's a standard contractor saw from Delta. When you add
the better fence(Biesemeyer or Unifence) you are at $800,
which is the going price for that saw. It's a decent
contractor saw with a 1.5HP motor. Contractor saws require
more "maintenance" and "tuning" than a standard cabinet saw.

For a wee bit more money you could have a "lite version"
of Unisaw...

A good suggestion with the following caveats:

1) It is 20%-30% more expensive than the contractor package which may
or may not be a factor.

2) The 3HP motor on the cabinet saw requires 240V power. 120V is not
an option. Again, this may or may not be a factor.

Lew

Have you checked out General or Powermatic? These are made in Canada
or USA, respectively. Cabinet saws are better at catching dust.

On Thu, 27 Jul 2006 07:27:40 -0400, "SimonLW"
wrote:

I'm looking for a large table saw. Lowes has a Hitachi (CFL10) and a Delta
(not sure of number) brand. Both are $500. The Delta gives you a choise of
three fences that have to be purchased separately, making the Delta more
expensive.

I'm leaning towards the Delta. The fence goes out to 30", all plates of the
table are cast iron and the design is more conventional with the motor in
the rear.

Anyone familiar with these? Please give me some feedback.
Thanks

said:

Tom Veatch . wrote:

Amperage is much more of a valid measurement of "usable" power output
than the HP "ratings" on the electric motors in consumer products. The

Not really. They're both subject to marketing hype.

manufacturer frequently wants to present the motor with as high a
power rating as possible and will calculate the "power" from the
locked rotor current draw which gives a much higher power (voltage X

The same condition gives a much higher amperage, too.

Certainly! That's what I thought I said (or implied), but perhaps I
wasn't very clear.

Bottom line - ignore the HP ratings. More likely than not they are
marketing hype. To get a more realistic measure of the motor's usable
power, check the rated amperage.

Seriously, the amp ratings get as wildly exaggerated as the HP ratings.

I am certainly not inclined or equipped to dispute your point. But I
will suggest that there is one factor that might tend to moderate the
amperage exaggeration. For example, if the aforementioned shop-vac
were advertised as a 60 amp machine, which it would need to be to
develop 4.5 useful HP on 110VAC, sales might suffer because some
potential buyers would think it couldn't be operated on a "standard"
110VAC circuit.

In the OP's original post, two motors are presented. One boasts 1.5
HP, the other 3 HP, and both claim to be 15amp units.Those numbers are
compatible, and thus believable, if and only if the 1.5HP motor is a
110VAC unit and the 3.0HP motor is a 220VAC unit.

In fact, in the scenario you suggest, they are deriving the HP rating
from the amperage draw at locked rotor condition.

We are in 100% agreement on that statement. That "derived" rating is
often stated in the adverts as "Peak" HP. Interesting note is that
under those conditions, i.e., locked rotor, the motor is actually
developing no power at all. Since power (the time rate of doing work)
is the product of torque and RPM (with the appropriate unit
conversions) and the RPM is zero with a locked rotor, the power output
is also necessarily zero.

SimonLW wrote:
I'm looking for a large table saw. Lowes has a Hitachi (CFL10) and a Delta
(not sure of number) brand. Both are $500. The Delta gives you a choise of
three fences that have to be purchased separately, making the Delta more
expensive.

If it's a delta contractor's saw, get it and buy either a Unifence or
Beisemeyer fence.
I really prefer the Beismeyer, but you can't go wrong with either on.

I have been using a delta contractor saw with a Beismeyer for 13 years,
and I have no desire to upgrade to a cabinent saw, even though I have
the money to do so if I wanted to. That's how nice and accurate it is,
IMO. Use a quality ripping blade when doing rip cuts, and the HP
difference between a contractor's saw and cabinent saw doesn't matter
as much. I've ripped 2.5" thick oak on mine with no problem

I attempted to buy one of these saws about a month ago. After no delivery in
the stated time, I called customer service. They said that the order had
been cancelled. Could not tell me by who or why. They did send me the bill,
though.

"Gus" wrote in message
oups.com...

but last year I bought a Craftsman 22124
hybrid saw.Take a look at these. You'll be glad you did.

They are made by Orion, which, I understand, is manned by old Delta
employees.

In fact, the newer Delta hybrid looks amazingly like the Orion saws.
They may be the same.

They lie.

"Jimmy" wrote in message
et...
Anyone know how come both motors are 15 amp but Delta is 1.5hp and Hitachi
is 3hp? I'm not good at that stuff.

"bf" wrote in message
ups.com...

SimonLW wrote:
I'm looking for a large table saw. Lowes has a Hitachi (CFL10) and a
Delta
(not sure of number) brand. Both are $500. The Delta gives you a choise
of
three fences that have to be purchased separately, making the Delta more
expensive.

If it's a delta contractor's saw, get it and buy either a Unifence or
Beisemeyer fence.
I really prefer the Beismeyer, but you can't go wrong with either on.

I have been using a delta contractor saw with a Beismeyer for 13 years,
and I have no desire to upgrade to a cabinent saw, even though I have
the money to do so if I wanted to. That's how nice and accurate it is,
IMO. Use a quality ripping blade when doing rip cuts, and the HP
difference between a contractor's saw and cabinent saw doesn't matter
as much. I've ripped 2.5" thick oak on mine with no problem


What is the opinion of the Vega fence.

wrote in message ...
Amperage is much more of a valid measurement of "usable" power output
than the HP "ratings" on the electric motors in consumer products. The

Not really. They're both subject to marketing hype.


Sure, they pay UL to lie.

What is the opinion of the Vega fence.
DAGS.

I've had one and it was an excellent upgrade to my crapman CS. I some ways
I liked it more than the beis clone on my Jet Cabinet saw.

I think the Vega is an excellent value which can hold it's own against the
Beis and Unifence.

-Steve