'United 93' Coverup; CIA/ Pentagon PsyOps Exposed (continued)

by LETSROLL911.ORG

'United 93' Coverup; CIA/ Pentagon PsyOps Exposed

A Boeing 757-200 weighs +120,000 lbs (+54,000 kg) empty, has a length
of 155 ft 3 in (47.3 m), wingspan of 124 ft 10 in (38 m) and a tail
height of 44 ft 6 in (13.6 m).

All of the eyewitnesses to the crash scene, which included firemen,
were amazed that there was no evidence of the plane.

There was a lot of small debris and paper, but 120,000 lbs of aircraft
apparently disappeared.

According to the official story, the one-time open pit mine had been
filled with soft dirt which "liquefied" when the plane hit. The entire
plane buried itself deeply in the ground. However, note the imprint of
the tail. It is not very deep and there is no evidence of any debris
from the tail.

The Faked Crash Imprint

The second key piece of evidence is the shape of the impact crater, or
the crash imprint.

The official story is that the 757 was at an extremely low altitude
(less than 500 feet or 150 meters), the plane rolled onto its back and
crashed at +500 mph (800 kmh).

The crash imprint shows a vertical, or nearly vertical, impact.

It is impossible for a 757 to change from horizontal flight a to
vertical dive within a few hundred vertical feet - particularly when
its at twice its' design speed for low altitude.

Further, the all-electronic control systems of Boeing 757s have pre-set
software limits that prevents pilots from making dangerous maneuvers:
such as inverted flight or vertical dives. The crash imprint and lack
of debris and fire damage outside the crater could only have been
caused by a vertical, or near vertical crash. And this was not
possible.

The Circular Crater

The third item evidence is the circular crater. Note that it is
off-center of the tail imprint. If this crater were caused by the
fuselage, it should be directly under the tail imprint.

If the plane crashed at an angle, with one wing striking before the
other, the crater could be off-center - however, the tail imprint
would be larger. The circular crater is indicative of a below ground
explosion.

Grass Growing in the Crater

The fourth piece of evidence is the grass and weeds growing in the
areas where the "wing tips" and "tail assembly" imprinted the ground.
Grass and vegetation is also seen growing on the sides of the burning
crater walls!

This grass must be the same as the PentaLawn grass, which is able to
grow back within immediately after plane crashes. Clearly, the crash
crater was made before 9/11 - long enough for grass to grow.

Lack of Fire Damage

The fifth piece of evidence that the official government story is a lie
is the lack of fire damage.

A Boeing 757 has a fuel capacity of 11,489 gal (43,490 l). Flight 93
was full for its planned cross country trip to California and would
have had more than 9,000 gal (34,000 l) when it crashed.

To put this inperspective, this amount of fuel would fill 500
automobiles. There is almost no fire damage outside the crash crater
and that is only in the nearby woods.

The Mushroom Cloud

The sixth item of evidence is the picture taken moments after the crash
which shows a relatively small mushroom cloud of smoke with a narrow
base. There is no extended smoke base which would be typical of
aircraft crash. It is indicative of high explosive.

The Missing Three Minutes

The government asserts that Flight 93 crashed at 10:03 AM. A seismic
recording station recorded a major event at 10:06 AM. Seismic
recordings are calibrated by atomic clocks which are incredibly
accurate.

Cleveland Air Traffic Control also had the flight on its radar at 10:06
AM. Again, the government story contradicts physical evidence. While
this does not provide any proof that Flight 93 did not crash, it does
illustrate government complicity.

Evidence Summary

To summarize, the physical evidence does not show that a Boeing 757-200
crashed at Shanksville:

* Amount of debris not consistent with a +120,000 lb aircraft

* Crash imprint could only be caused by a vertical, or near vertical
crash, which was not possible

* Circular crater indicative of a below ground explosion

* Grass and weeds are growing in the crater which clearly indicates the
crater was made before 9/11

*Lack of fire damage

* Mushroom cloud not consistent with 9,000 gallons of fuel exploding
and burning

* The three minute discrepancy

* Flight 93: of the 45 people who are listed as dying on this flight,
only 6 are listed in the SSDI (13%)

Of these 45 people, none are on the 9-11 Compensation Fund list: None.

Flight 93, no crash. No "Lets Roll"

What Probably Happened at Shanksville

As the 757 flew over the crash site, pre-planted explosives (remember
this is a former mine) were detonated creating the central crater.

This caused the mushroom cloud in the photo. The wing and tail imprints
were dug in advance, plus some of the central crater, long enough for
grass to grow.

Aircraft debris, paper and fuel were pre-planted and blown out by the
explosives.

What happened to the plane and its passengers?

We don't know. There is some evidence, as presented by the researcher
woody box, that Flight 93 landed at Cleveland-Hopkins airport.

Other Oddities and Coincidences

There are numerous other oddities and coincidences concerning Flight
93: ranging from terror drills at nearby airports to debris found miles
away at two separate locations.

Further, a C-130H cargo plane saw Flight 77 crash into the Pentagon,
continued on its journey to Minneapolis; was at the Flight 93 crash
site and continued on its journey.

Plus, the impossible cell phone calls, the political and corporate
connections to the land where Flight 93 crashed and much, much more.

ORIGINALLY PUBLISHED"
www.letsroll911.org.

http://www.conspiracyplanet.com/chan...id=3473&page=2

How did you escape this time.

wrote in message
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'United 93' Coverup; CIA/ Pentagon PsyOps Exposed (continued)

by LETSROLL911.ORG

'United 93' Coverup; CIA/ Pentagon PsyOps Exposed

A Boeing 757-200 weighs +120,000 lbs (+54,000 kg) empty, has a length
of 155 ft 3 in (47.3 m), wingspan of 124 ft 10 in (38 m) and a tail
height of 44 ft 6 in (13.6 m).

All of the eyewitnesses to the crash scene, which included firemen,
were amazed that there was no evidence of the plane.

There was a lot of small debris and paper, but 120,000 lbs of aircraft
apparently disappeared.

According to the official story, the one-time open pit mine had been
filled with soft dirt which "liquefied" when the plane hit. The entire
plane buried itself deeply in the ground. However, note the imprint of
the tail. It is not very deep and there is no evidence of any debris
from the tail.

The Faked Crash Imprint

The second key piece of evidence is the shape of the impact crater, or
the crash imprint.

The official story is that the 757 was at an extremely low altitude
(less than 500 feet or 150 meters), the plane rolled onto its back and
crashed at +500 mph (800 kmh).

The crash imprint shows a vertical, or nearly vertical, impact.

It is impossible for a 757 to change from horizontal flight a to
vertical dive within a few hundred vertical feet - particularly when
its at twice its' design speed for low altitude.

Further, the all-electronic control systems of Boeing 757s have pre-set
software limits that prevents pilots from making dangerous maneuvers:
such as inverted flight or vertical dives. The crash imprint and lack
of debris and fire damage outside the crater could only have been
caused by a vertical, or near vertical crash. And this was not
possible.

The Circular Crater

The third item evidence is the circular crater. Note that it is
off-center of the tail imprint. If this crater were caused by the
fuselage, it should be directly under the tail imprint.

If the plane crashed at an angle, with one wing striking before the
other, the crater could be off-center - however, the tail imprint
would be larger. The circular crater is indicative of a below ground
explosion.

Grass Growing in the Crater

The fourth piece of evidence is the grass and weeds growing in the
areas where the "wing tips" and "tail assembly" imprinted the ground.
Grass and vegetation is also seen growing on the sides of the burning
crater walls!

This grass must be the same as the PentaLawn grass, which is able to
grow back within immediately after plane crashes. Clearly, the crash
crater was made before 9/11 - long enough for grass to grow.

Lack of Fire Damage

The fifth piece of evidence that the official government story is a lie
is the lack of fire damage.

A Boeing 757 has a fuel capacity of 11,489 gal (43,490 l). Flight 93
was full for its planned cross country trip to California and would
have had more than 9,000 gal (34,000 l) when it crashed.

To put this inperspective, this amount of fuel would fill 500
automobiles. There is almost no fire damage outside the crash crater
and that is only in the nearby woods.

The Mushroom Cloud

The sixth item of evidence is the picture taken moments after the crash
which shows a relatively small mushroom cloud of smoke with a narrow
base. There is no extended smoke base which would be typical of
aircraft crash. It is indicative of high explosive.

The Missing Three Minutes

The government asserts that Flight 93 crashed at 10:03 AM. A seismic
recording station recorded a major event at 10:06 AM. Seismic
recordings are calibrated by atomic clocks which are incredibly
accurate.

Cleveland Air Traffic Control also had the flight on its radar at 10:06
AM. Again, the government story contradicts physical evidence. While
this does not provide any proof that Flight 93 did not crash, it does
illustrate government complicity.

Evidence Summary

To summarize, the physical evidence does not show that a Boeing 757-200
crashed at Shanksville:

* Amount of debris not consistent with a +120,000 lb aircraft

* Crash imprint could only be caused by a vertical, or near vertical
crash, which was not possible

* Circular crater indicative of a below ground explosion

* Grass and weeds are growing in the crater which clearly indicates the
crater was made before 9/11

*Lack of fire damage

* Mushroom cloud not consistent with 9,000 gallons of fuel exploding
and burning

* The three minute discrepancy

* Flight 93: of the 45 people who are listed as dying on this flight,
only 6 are listed in the SSDI (13%)

Of these 45 people, none are on the 9-11 Compensation Fund list: None.

Flight 93, no crash. No "Lets Roll"

What Probably Happened at Shanksville

As the 757 flew over the crash site, pre-planted explosives (remember
this is a former mine) were detonated creating the central crater.

This caused the mushroom cloud in the photo. The wing and tail imprints
were dug in advance, plus some of the central crater, long enough for
grass to grow.

Aircraft debris, paper and fuel were pre-planted and blown out by the
explosives.

What happened to the plane and its passengers?

We don't know. There is some evidence, as presented by the researcher
woody box, that Flight 93 landed at Cleveland-Hopkins airport.

Other Oddities and Coincidences

There are numerous other oddities and coincidences concerning Flight
93: ranging from terror drills at nearby airports to debris found miles
away at two separate locations.

Further, a C-130H cargo plane saw Flight 77 crash into the Pentagon,
continued on its journey to Minneapolis; was at the Flight 93 crash
site and continued on its journey.

Plus, the impossible cell phone calls, the political and corporate
connections to the land where Flight 93 crashed and much, much more.

ORIGINALLY PUBLISHED"
www.letsroll911.org.

http://www.conspiracyplanet.com/chan...id=3473&page=2

"Skids" wrote in message
...
| How did you escape this time.



He had a hidden ticket for United 93 and used it in the getaway...........


|
| wrote in message
| oups.com...
| 'United 93' Coverup; CIA/ Pentagon PsyOps Exposed (continued)
|
| by LETSROLL911.ORG
|
| 'United 93' Coverup; CIA/ Pentagon PsyOps Exposed
|
| A Boeing 757-200 weighs +120,000 lbs (+54,000 kg) empty, has a length
| of 155 ft 3 in (47.3 m), wingspan of 124 ft 10 in (38 m) and a tail
| height of 44 ft 6 in (13.6 m).
|
| All of the eyewitnesses to the crash scene, which included firemen,
| were amazed that there was no evidence of the plane.
|
| There was a lot of small debris and paper, but 120,000 lbs of aircraft
| apparently disappeared.
|
| According to the official story, the one-time open pit mine had been
| filled with soft dirt which "liquefied" when the plane hit. The entire
| plane buried itself deeply in the ground. However, note the imprint of
| the tail. It is not very deep and there is no evidence of any debris
| from the tail.
|
| The Faked Crash Imprint
|
| The second key piece of evidence is the shape of the impact crater, or
| the crash imprint.
|
| The official story is that the 757 was at an extremely low altitude
| (less than 500 feet or 150 meters), the plane rolled onto its back and
| crashed at +500 mph (800 kmh).
|
| The crash imprint shows a vertical, or nearly vertical, impact.
|
| It is impossible for a 757 to change from horizontal flight a to
| vertical dive within a few hundred vertical feet - particularly when
| its at twice its' design speed for low altitude.
|
| Further, the all-electronic control systems of Boeing 757s have pre-set
| software limits that prevents pilots from making dangerous maneuvers:
| such as inverted flight or vertical dives. The crash imprint and lack
| of debris and fire damage outside the crater could only have been
| caused by a vertical, or near vertical crash. And this was not
| possible.
|
| The Circular Crater
|
| The third item evidence is the circular crater. Note that it is
| off-center of the tail imprint. If this crater were caused by the
| fuselage, it should be directly under the tail imprint.
|
| If the plane crashed at an angle, with one wing striking before the
| other, the crater could be off-center - however, the tail imprint
| would be larger. The circular crater is indicative of a below ground
| explosion.
|
| Grass Growing in the Crater
|
| The fourth piece of evidence is the grass and weeds growing in the
| areas where the "wing tips" and "tail assembly" imprinted the ground.
| Grass and vegetation is also seen growing on the sides of the burning
| crater walls!
|
| This grass must be the same as the PentaLawn grass, which is able to
| grow back within immediately after plane crashes. Clearly, the crash
| crater was made before 9/11 - long enough for grass to grow.
|
| Lack of Fire Damage
|
| The fifth piece of evidence that the official government story is a lie
| is the lack of fire damage.
|
| A Boeing 757 has a fuel capacity of 11,489 gal (43,490 l). Flight 93
| was full for its planned cross country trip to California and would
| have had more than 9,000 gal (34,000 l) when it crashed.
|
| To put this inperspective, this amount of fuel would fill 500
| automobiles. There is almost no fire damage outside the crash crater
| and that is only in the nearby woods.
|
| The Mushroom Cloud
|
| The sixth item of evidence is the picture taken moments after the crash
| which shows a relatively small mushroom cloud of smoke with a narrow
| base. There is no extended smoke base which would be typical of
| aircraft crash. It is indicative of high explosive.
|
| The Missing Three Minutes
|
| The government asserts that Flight 93 crashed at 10:03 AM. A seismic
| recording station recorded a major event at 10:06 AM. Seismic
| recordings are calibrated by atomic clocks which are incredibly
| accurate.
|
| Cleveland Air Traffic Control also had the flight on its radar at 10:06
| AM. Again, the government story contradicts physical evidence. While
| this does not provide any proof that Flight 93 did not crash, it does
| illustrate government complicity.
|
| Evidence Summary
|
| To summarize, the physical evidence does not show that a Boeing 757-200
| crashed at Shanksville:
|
| * Amount of debris not consistent with a +120,000 lb aircraft
|
| * Crash imprint could only be caused by a vertical, or near vertical
| crash, which was not possible
|
| * Circular crater indicative of a below ground explosion
|
| * Grass and weeds are growing in the crater which clearly indicates the
| crater was made before 9/11
|
| *Lack of fire damage
|
| * Mushroom cloud not consistent with 9,000 gallons of fuel exploding
| and burning
|
| * The three minute discrepancy
|
| * Flight 93: of the 45 people who are listed as dying on this flight,
| only 6 are listed in the SSDI (13%)
|
| Of these 45 people, none are on the 9-11 Compensation Fund list: None.
|
| Flight 93, no crash. No "Lets Roll"
|
| What Probably Happened at Shanksville
|
| As the 757 flew over the crash site, pre-planted explosives (remember
| this is a former mine) were detonated creating the central crater.
|
| This caused the mushroom cloud in the photo. The wing and tail imprints
| were dug in advance, plus some of the central crater, long enough for
| grass to grow.
|
| Aircraft debris, paper and fuel were pre-planted and blown out by the
| explosives.
|
| What happened to the plane and its passengers?
|
| We don't know. There is some evidence, as presented by the researcher
| woody box, that Flight 93 landed at Cleveland-Hopkins airport.
|
| Other Oddities and Coincidences
|
| There are numerous other oddities and coincidences concerning Flight
| 93: ranging from terror drills at nearby airports to debris found miles
| away at two separate locations.
|
| Further, a C-130H cargo plane saw Flight 77 crash into the Pentagon,
| continued on its journey to Minneapolis; was at the Flight 93 crash
| site and continued on its journey.
|
| Plus, the impossible cell phone calls, the political and corporate
| connections to the land where Flight 93 crashed and much, much more.
|
| ORIGINALLY PUBLISHED"
| www.letsroll911.org.
|
|
http://www.conspiracyplanet.com/chan...id=3473&page=2
|
|
|

Thank you Captain!

Searcher

UAL BWI

Ba r r y wrote
(in article ):


It's all strange to you because UNITED 93 crashed, not Untied 93.

FWIW, United employees have jokingly referred to it as "Untied"
for decades.



--
Randy Howard (2reply remove FOOBAR)
"The power of accurate observation is called cynicism by those
who have not got it." - George Bernard Shaw

Yes, that is true. We have called it Untied. Makes me wonder if the OP
is/was a UAL employee

Searcher

On 30 Apr 2006 15:15:47 -0700, wrote:

'United 93' Coverup; CIA/ Pentagon PsyOps Exposed (continued)

by LETSROLL911.ORG

Good to see Charlie Sheen is reading the wreck.

Mike O.

"Shopdog" wrote:

Yes, that is true. We have called it Untied. Makes me wonder if the OP
is/was a UAL employee

Searcher




I've never been a UAL employee, but Always call it Untied for as long as I
can remember. Don't know where I picked it up.

Is this the same group that faked World War ll?

How about starting here for a more rational viewpoint?

http://www.snopes.com/rumors/pentagon.htm


"Mapanari" wrote in message
...

glegroups.com:



I always wondered:

The pentagon is the most secure and watched place in America, so:

Where are the camera footage, the outdoor motion detector camera
footages?

Where are the security tapes, the hand held cameras, the thousands of
bank
and other security camera tapes that happens to show part of the
pentagon?

Where are all the tourist camera photos?

What happened to the many tourist movie cameras?

Where are the signal light camera photos?

Where is the security camera footage from the front gate?


--
b{-_-}d

I'm listening!

---Mapanari---

In article ,
Mapanari wrote:

Where are the camera footage, the outdoor motion detector camera footages?


Buhlowwwwn up, Sir!

In article ,
(John) wrote:

Is this the same group that faked World War ll?

I don't think so. I think these are the same group that faked Elvis' death and
the moon landing.

Mapanari wrote:
||
||
glegroups.com:
||
||
||
|| I always wondered:
||
|| The pentagon is the most secure and watched place in America,
|| so:
||
|| Where are the camera footage, the outdoor motion detector
|| camera footages?
||
|| Where are the security tapes, the hand held cameras, the
|| thousands of bank and other security camera tapes that
|| happens to show part of the pentagon?
||
|| Where are all the tourist camera photos?
||
|| What happened to the many tourist movie cameras?
||
|| Where are the signal light camera photos?
||
|| Where is the security camera footage from the front gate?
||
||

The guys in the black heliocopters and black suburbans
came and got them.....


--
It's a place to listen and read for a while, called lurking. Get
an idea of the tone of the community. Learn who the trolls and
troublemakers are and ignore them.

"Mapanari" wrote in message
...
(the wharf rat) :
In article ,
Mapanari wrote:

Where are the camera footage, the outdoor motion detector camera
footages?


Buhlowwwwn up, Sir!



Sorry, I didn't see any nuclear mushroom cloud over DC that day.

All I see on the news and footage, well after the crash, is a gaping
smallish hole in the building, much smaller than a little truck loaded
with
very impure fertilizer blew up a whole Murray Federal building with, and
some small fires and a little bit of crap on the ground.

I don't see smolding guard shacks 200 ' away nor do I see all the building
and businesses around the place all blown down like a 20 megaton ground
level blast would do.

Sorry, but you're a moron.

Look, ****tard, you're lucky to get footage of an airplane accident at a
friggin' airport, much less around various government buildings. Read the
Snopes article. When you have a non-kook response, get back to us.

Mapanari wrote:
"Cuz" wrotenews:Gur5g.71545$H71.32391
@newssvr13.news.prodigy.com:

|| Where is the security camera footage from the front gate?
||
||

The guys in the black heliocopters and black suburbans
came and got them.....



You know, in 1940 two Jews were talking in Poland, standing by the gate to
their potato fields.
One turns to the other and says "Where are our neighbors? What happened to
all the Jews in Krakow?".

The other, a snear on his fat bovine face, sarcastically replies "Why, it
must have been those people wearing black uniforms and riding black
trucks!".

He snorts in disgust and walks back to his farmhouse.

In the distance, the rumble of a convey of trucks coming down the road in
silent early morning spring air is heard....


--
b{-_-}d

I'm listening!

You may be listening but you ain't hearing what you're spouting.

FoggyTown

I saw Loose change and another conspiracy flick

interesting

They get you hooked and believing it for a while...but a few days later
you kinda shake your head and think..."kinda kooky"

Its defineitely amazing what bizarre loopholes can be found and woven
upon

fritz

On Mon, 01 May 2006 14:17:08 -0000, Mapanari wrote:


oglegroups.com:



I always wondered:

The pentagon is the most secure and watched place in America, so:

Where are the camera footage, the outdoor motion detector camera footages?

... umm, you do realize that motion detectors don't take imagery. ....
don't you?


Where are the security tapes,

... right, the Pentagon is going to release tapes, if they exist, that
might contain pictures of sensitive areas and/or materials that were
exposed after the attack just so you can set your mind at ease that the
rest of the *overwhelming* evidence that a plane crashed into the Pentagon
is correct? I can see the response now, "yeah, sure they gave us tapes,
but after faking a plane crash, faking a security tape would be easy!"


the hand held cameras, the thousands of bank
and other security camera tapes that happens to show part of the pentagon?


...



Where are all the tourist camera photos?

Try taking a tourist camera to the Pentagon. Let us know how far you
get.


What happened to the many tourist movie cameras?


Above goes double for movie cameras.

Where are the signal light camera photos?


You do realize that signal light cameras are designed to image the
license plates and drivers going *through* intersections, right? As such,
you do realize that most often, they are pointed *down*.


Where is the security camera footage from the front gate?

Would suspect the front gate security camera is pointed *at* the vehicles
entering the area and pointed *outward* at incoming traffic.


+--------------------------------------------------------------------------------+

If you're gonna be dumb, you better be tough

+--------------------------------------------------------------------------------+

"Mapanari" wrote in message
...
"todd"
wrotenews:ItGdncM9NdT04MvZnZ2dnUVZ_tednZ2d@comcast .com:

"Mapanari" wrote in message
...
(the wharf rat) wrotenews:e357t9$e9g$1
@reader1.panix.com:
In article ,
Mapanari wrote:

Where are the camera footage, the outdoor motion detector camera
footages?


Buhlowwwwn up, Sir!



Sorry, I didn't see any nuclear mushroom cloud over DC that day.

All I see on the news and footage, well after the crash, is a gaping
smallish hole in the building, much smaller than a little truck loaded
with
very impure fertilizer blew up a whole Murray Federal building with, and
some small fires and a little bit of crap on the ground.

I don't see smolding guard shacks 200 ' away nor do I see all the
building
and businesses around the place all blown down like a 20 megaton ground
level blast would do.

Sorry, but you're a moron.

Look, ****tard, you're lucky to get footage of an airplane accident at a
friggin' airport, much less around various government buildings. Read
the
Snopes article. When you have a non-kook response, get back to us.




Yah, I lay out all the logical reasons why you're wrong, and your response
is to cite some internet site.

Ok, you got me!

You win. I'm wrong, you're right, how could I have ever been so stupid to
question anything so obviously simple like that?

It's not just "some internet site", moron. Snopes is pretty well-regarded
as confirming or refuting all sorts of hoaxes, consipracy theories, etc.
Here. I'll even supply the link http://www.snopes.com/rumors/pentagon.htm.
I don't need to go through all your points step by step, because they've
already done the work.

By the way, you might want to learn how to follow a thread. You replied to
someone else's post with "all the logical reasons" why they were wrong, not
mine.

While we're here, I'm curious if a) we ever landed on the moon, b) if
airplanes struck the twin towers, c) if an airplane crashed in PA on 9/11.

In article , todd
wrote:

While we're here, I'm curious if a) we ever landed on the moon, b) if
airplanes struck the twin towers, c) if an airplane crashed in PA on 9/11.

Don't forget the invention to let an internal combustion engine run on
water that was buried by Big Oil!

Dyslexics untie!

President Ahmadinejad has been under attack lately. His speech i which
he is alleged to have said wipe israel off the map was translated by
the likes of MEMRI

Here is Juan cole on what he really said:

Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2006 15:34:18 -0400 From: "Cole, Juan"

The speech in Persian is he

Sorry that I misremembered the exact phrase Ahmadinejad had used. He
made an analogy to Khomeini's determination and success in getting rid
of the Shah's government, which Khomeini had said "must go" (az bain
bayad berad). Then Ahmadinejad defined Zionism not as an Arabi-Israeli
national struggle but as a Western plot to divide the world of Islam
with Israel as the pivot of this plan.

The phrase he then used as I read it is "The Imam said that this regime
occupying Jerusalem (een rezhim-e ishghalgar-e qods) must [vanish from]
from the page of time (bayad az safheh-ye ruzgar mahv shavad)."

Ahmadinejad was not making a threat, he was quoting a saying of
Khomeini and urging that pro-Palestinian activists in Iran not give up
hope-- that the occupation of Jerusalem was no more a continued
inevitability than had been the hegemony of the Shah's government.

Whatever this quotation from a decades-old speech of Khomeini may have
meant, Ahmadinejad did not say that "Israel must be wiped off the map"
with the implication that phrase has of Nazi-style extermination of a
people. He said that the occupation regime over Jerusalem must be
erased from the page of time.

Again, Ariel Sharon erased the occupation regime over Gaza from the
page of time.

http://www.juancole.com/2006/05/hitc...-hitchens.html

wrote:
President Ahmadinejad has been under attack lately. His speech i which
he is alleged to have said wipe israel off the map was translated by
the likes of MEMRI

Here is Juan cole on what he really said:

Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2006 15:34:18 -0400 From: "Cole, Juan"

The speech in Persian is he

Sorry that I misremembered the exact phrase Ahmadinejad had used. He
made an analogy to Khomeini's determination and success in getting rid
of the Shah's government, which Khomeini had said "must go" (az bain
bayad berad). Then Ahmadinejad defined Zionism not as an Arabi-Israeli
national struggle but as a Western plot to divide the world of Islam
with Israel as the pivot of this plan.

The phrase he then used as I read it is "The Imam said that this regime
occupying Jerusalem (een rezhim-e ishghalgar-e qods) must [vanish from]
from the page of time (bayad az safheh-ye ruzgar mahv shavad)."

Ahmadinejad was not making a threat, he was quoting a saying of
Khomeini and urging that pro-Palestinian activists in Iran not give up
hope-- that the occupation of Jerusalem was no more a continued
inevitability than had been the hegemony of the Shah's government.

Whatever this quotation from a decades-old speech of Khomeini may have
meant, Ahmadinejad did not say that "Israel must be wiped off the map"
with the implication that phrase has of Nazi-style extermination of a
people. He said that the occupation regime over Jerusalem must be
erased from the page of time.

Again, Ariel Sharon erased the occupation regime over Gaza from the
page of time.

http://www.juancole.com/2006/05/hitc...-hitchens.html

I suppose they must have gotten the message on their banner behind
their head on CNN News wrong. I remember the banner being black, and
then in bad English saying "Israel should be wiped out the world!"
Yeah, I imagine they didn't mean to say that in plain English either you
Benedict Arnold!



--- Tracer Bullet

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OK for one go to google maps and look at DC, Find the pentagon and look
no banks around it untill you cross over i-395 which is higher that the
pentagon so no banks on the other side would have ATM cameras that
could see it. 2 the only thing around the pentagon is PARKING LOTS,
SLUG BOOTHS, and METRO LINE RAMPS.... go figure. My nextdoor neighbor
was working the day it happend at the pentagon She said you could see
the plane parts on the ground, My Girlfriend was going to work at the
Washington DC hospital center when it happend She saw the plane go over
head. To the west over highway 27 is arlington national cemetary (Not
too many people there are watching the Sky's) To the east is the
Patomac River. So there is not to many buildng around the pentagon for
camera to be looking at it. And believe me you don't want a camera
pointing at the pentagon that is asking for a visit from the FBI and
Seceret Service. So I am sorry to say i don't believe your stupid clame
one bit sorry. I think you watched one to many episodes of The
X-Files..........