I was watching the British Woodshop on the Woodworking Channel (It's a great
site to watch) and the fellow was using the same jig to make both ends. Do
any of you know if the jig that he uses is available in the US in our
measurement scale? His, I noticed is in metric scale. It looks like it wood
be a great jig to have and takes the guess work out of making M & T's.
Thanks for you help.

have a look at the leevalley website they have a large variety of
woodworking tools. it's the place to go for woodworking stuff, i have
bought hardware from them in the past and recieved excellent customer
service.

"Tom" wrote in message
newsdO%f.97872$oL.73519@attbi_s71...
I was watching the British Woodshop on the Woodworking Channel (It's a
great site to watch) and the fellow was using the same jig to make both
ends. Do any of you know if the jig that he uses is available in the US in
our measurement scale? His, I noticed is in metric scale. It looks like it
wood be a great jig to have and takes the guess work out of making M & T's.
Thanks for you help.

Lee only carries the Leigh M & T jig for BIG bucks..


"Bronwyn Mitchell" wrote in message
.. .
have a look at the leevalley website they have a large variety of
woodworking tools. it's the place to go for woodworking stuff, i have
bought hardware from them in the past and recieved excellent customer
service.

"Tom" wrote in message
newsdO%f.97872$oL.73519@attbi_s71...
I was watching the British Woodshop on the Woodworking Channel (It's a
great site to watch) and the fellow was using the same jig to make both
ends. Do any of you know if the jig that he uses is available in the US in
our measurement scale? His, I noticed is in metric scale. It looks like it
wood be a great jig to have and takes the guess work out of making M &
T's. Thanks for you help.

On Fri, 14 Apr 2006 14:21:08 GMT, Tom wrote:
I was watching the British Woodshop on the Woodworking Channel (It's a great
site to watch) and the fellow was using the same jig to make both ends. Do
any of you know if the jig that he uses is available in the US in our
measurement scale? His, I noticed is in metric scale. It looks like it wood
be a great jig to have and takes the guess work out of making M & T's.
Thanks for you help.

I believe that is the "Trend" M&T jig. I've seen it for sale in the US ...
Woodcraft, perhaps?

--
Art

On Fri, 14 Apr 2006 15:13:39 GMT, Art Greenberg wrote:
I believe that is the "Trend" M&T jig. I've seen it for sale in the US ...
Woodcraft, perhaps?

Not Woodcraft, found it at Rockler:

http://www.rockler.com/ecom7/product...rings_id=11367

--
Art

"Art Greenberg" wrote in message
ink.net...
On Fri, 14 Apr 2006 15:13:39 GMT, Art Greenberg wrote:
I believe that is the "Trend" M&T jig. I've seen it for sale in the US
...
Woodcraft, perhaps?

Not Woodcraft, found it at Rockler:

http://www.rockler.com/ecom7/product...rings_id=11367

--
Art

Thanks Art

"Art Greenberg" wrote in message
On Fri, 14 Apr 2006 15:13:39 GMT, Art Greenberg wrote:
I believe that is the "Trend" M&T jig. I've seen it for sale in the US
....
Woodcraft, perhaps?

Not Woodcraft, found it at Rockler:

http://www.rockler.com/ecom7/product...rings_id=11367

Woodcraft here in Houston has it on sale - 25% off (about $225 plus tax).

I personally saw it there this morning when I was buying the only 1/2" 18
degree router bit in the entire city of 4 million.

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"Upscale" wrote in message
"Swingman" rote in message

I personally saw it there this morning when I was buying the only 1/2"
18
degree router bit in the entire city of 4 million.

Ok, you got me. What is an 18° router and what part of the router is 18°?
Why would someone want one of these?

Sorry ... the angle on a dovetail bit, particularly one used for half-blind
dovetails.

The depth of cut in half-blind dovetail jigs is usually what determines the
fit.

In 1/2" stock, you only have about 3/8" to play with, and an 18 degree 1/2"
dovetail bit has exactly a 3/8" depth of cut.

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Tom wrote:
"Art Greenberg" wrote in message
ink.net...
On Fri, 14 Apr 2006 15:13:39 GMT, Art Greenberg wrote:
I believe that is the "Trend" M&T jig. I've seen it for sale in the US
...
Woodcraft, perhaps?
Not Woodcraft, found it at Rockler:

http://www.rockler.com/ecom7/product...rings_id=11367

--
Art

Thanks Art



$299 US and a dense 26 page manual.
http://images.rockler.com/tech/RTD10000037AB.pdf

Has anybody used one of these? I would love to hear if it is as
difficult to set up as it looks.

OTOH - nice being able to cut both mortise and tenons without changing
the setup.

Harvey

I've got the Trend M&T Jig, - and their Guides and their Bits set,
played with their instruction. Fit, for some guide/bit combi-
inations were off spec, resulting in oveversized tenons on one
combination and undersized tenons with another. The cause was
a few thousandths off on both the guide and the bit. The other
problem was the 1/4" shank router bits with the longer shafts
than normal. You need to make shallower passes which takes
longer. Try hogging out too much in a pass and you can get a
little flexing - and a sloppy joint.

SO - since I'm a fan of loose tenons - it works great cuting
mortices for them - one guide to center the bit in the opening,
I can use 1/2" shank fluted bits (end mill type bits).

Here's more I put together on this jig

http://home.comcast.net/~charliebcz/...endMTjig1.html

If you have a precision fence for your plunge router, you can
make a jig for cutting loose tenons

http://home.comcast.net/~charliebcz/...TenonJig1.html

charlie b

"charlie b" wrote in message

I've got the Trend M&T Jig, - and their Guides and their Bits set,
played with their instruction.

SO - since I'm a fan of loose tenons - it works great cuting
mortices for them - one guide to center the bit in the opening,
I can use 1/2" shank fluted bits (end mill type bits).

Will it do compound angle mortises without kludges?

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Last update: 12/13/05

"Swingman" wrote in message
...
"Art Greenberg" wrote in message
On Fri, 14 Apr 2006 15:13:39 GMT, Art Greenberg wrote:
I believe that is the "Trend" M&T jig. I've seen it for sale in the US
...
Woodcraft, perhaps?

Not Woodcraft, found it at Rockler:

http://www.rockler.com/ecom7/product...rings_id=11367

Woodcraft here in Houston has it on sale - 25% off (about $225 plus tax).

I personally saw it there this morning when I was buying the only 1/2" 18
degree router bit in the entire city of 4 million.

Have you ever been to Empire Tools? They have quite an assortment of router
bits. If you are near Woodcraft you are relatively close to them. They
have a new location.
http://www.empiretools.com/

"Leon"wrote in message

Have you ever been to Empire Tools? They have quite an assortment of
router
bits. If you are near Woodcraft you are relatively close to them. They
have a new location.

Haven't been there in a while, but I did call them re the dovetail router
bit. WoodCraft is the only convenient place that had one (at least that
would answer the phone ... Circle Saw's phone system was either on the
blink, or they were closed on Good Friday). Come to think of it, I didn't
try The Cutting Edge ... but I don't know where they are now.

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"Swingman" wrote in message
...
"Leon"wrote in message

Have you ever been to Empire Tools? They have quite an assortment of
router
bits. If you are near Woodcraft you are relatively close to them. They
have a new location.

Haven't been there in a while, but I did call them re the dovetail router
bit. WoodCraft is the only convenient place that had one (at least that
would answer the phone ... Circle Saw's phone system was either on the
blink, or they were closed on Good Friday). Come to think of it, I didn't
try The Cutting Edge ... but I don't know where they are now.


The new Empire store looks like it is 10 times bigger than the old one.
They moved just around the corner from the old location.

Cutting Edge is very close to my house. They are on the beltway feeder
road. When going 59 south you take the belt exit and go Left/south east.
Do a u-turn at West Airport and they will be before West Belfort. They are
between a small John Deer and Kubota dealer. 11760 S. Sam Houston Pkwy W

That's the one I saw on the British Woodworking show. $299? Wow!


"eclipsme" wrote in message
...
Tom wrote:
"Art Greenberg" wrote in message
ink.net...
On Fri, 14 Apr 2006 15:13:39 GMT, Art Greenberg wrote:
I believe that is the "Trend" M&T jig. I've seen it for sale in the US
...
Woodcraft, perhaps?
Not Woodcraft, found it at Rockler:

http://www.rockler.com/ecom7/product...rings_id=11367

--
Art

Thanks Art

$299 US and a dense 26 page manual.
http://images.rockler.com/tech/RTD10000037AB.pdf

Has anybody used one of these? I would love to hear if it is as difficult
to set up as it looks.

OTOH - nice being able to cut both mortise and tenons without changing the
setup.

Harvey

Swingman wrote:


I've got the Trend M&T Jig, - and their Guides and their Bits set,
played with their instruction.

SO - since I'm a fan of loose tenons - it works great cuting
mortices for them - one guide to center the bit in the opening,
I can use 1/2" shank fluted bits (end mill type bits).

Will it do compound angle mortises without kludges?


Well if you mean angled to both the Y and Z axis , the answer is
yes - but the end of the piece that will be at a compound angle
must be be cut at that compound angle first. That makes the
mortise layout considerably easier than laying out a compound
angle tenon (see the last photo on this page -m the tenon was
layed out centered on the square end of the stock. But when cut
the bottom of the tenon is not centered)

http://home.comcast.net/~charliebcz/...endMTjig2.html

When routing mortises in the end grain of a compound angled
piec you have to adjust the layout to get the mortise closer to
the inside - fat part - of the piece so as not to cut a mortise
through the outside face of the part.

charlie b

The only thing that I found that the Trend MT jig is lacking is the ability
to adjust for joint tightness. You have to take what you get, loose fitting
tenons, but in most cases they fit well enough for glue joints.

The only MT jig on the market that I found that has joint tightness
adjustment capability and repeatability is the Leigh, and it's a LOT more
expensive. Both jigs will do the same mortices and tenons otherwise. I went
through this last year and, after considerable agony, bought the Leigh FMT
because the project required very close fits. You get what you pay for, I
just wish it wasn't so much. The Leigh FMT has done a fine job though, and
I'm glad that I bought it. I doubt that I ever would have gotten that job
done right any other way.

--
Charley


"charlie b" wrote in message
...
Swingman wrote:


I've got the Trend M&T Jig, - and their Guides and their Bits set,
played with their instruction.

SO - since I'm a fan of loose tenons - it works great cuting
mortices for them - one guide to center the bit in the opening,
I can use 1/2" shank fluted bits (end mill type bits).

Will it do compound angle mortises without kludges?


Well if you mean angled to both the Y and Z axis , the answer is
yes - but the end of the piece that will be at a compound angle
must be be cut at that compound angle first. That makes the
mortise layout considerably easier than laying out a compound
angle tenon (see the last photo on this page -m the tenon was
layed out centered on the square end of the stock. But when cut
the bottom of the tenon is not centered)

http://home.comcast.net/~charliebcz/...endMTjig2.html

When routing mortises in the end grain of a compound angled
piec you have to adjust the layout to get the mortise closer to
the inside - fat part - of the piece so as not to cut a mortise
through the outside face of the part.

charlie b

"Charley" wrote in message
The only thing that I found that the Trend MT jig is lacking is the
ability
to adjust for joint tightness. You have to take what you get, loose
fitting
tenons, but in most cases they fit well enough for glue joints.

The only MT jig on the market that I found that has joint tightness
adjustment capability and repeatability is the Leigh, and it's a LOT more
expensive. Both jigs will do the same mortices and tenons otherwise. I
went
through this last year and, after considerable agony, bought the Leigh FMT
because the project required very close fits. You get what you pay for, I
just wish it wasn't so much. The Leigh FMT has done a fine job though, and
I'm glad that I bought it. I doubt that I ever would have gotten that job
done right any other way.

After seeing both now, the Leigh FMT is the way I am leaning at the moment.
I'm glad to hear some feedback that reinforces that feeling and I very much
appreciate your input.

Thank you very much!


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On Sun, 16 Apr 2006 09:32:55 -0500, "Swingman" wrote:

After seeing both now, the Leigh FMT is the way I am leaning at the moment.
I'm glad to hear some feedback that reinforces that feeling and I very much
appreciate your input.

Missed the original post /question but have and use a FMT a lot.
Once set up for a joint I do about 60 joints an hour (m & t) which is
480 in a normal day. This equates to 80 chairs.
Once set up it works like a dream. You cannot go wrong.
Cheers

Hell, if price is no object, within reason, go for the MultiRouter.
Then you can also do raised panels, horizontal boring, and, if the
stock's narrow enough, planing to thickness. Might even check
e-Bay for a Robland horizontal boring/mortising unit - has an
XYZ table (second and third pics on this page. - replace joiner/planer
cutter head with a router)

http://home.comcast.net/~charliebcz/X31pg3.html

And if you want to do compound angles you can make and bolt
on this jig.

http://home.comcast.net/~charliebcz/.../RaysJIG1.html

A guy in the Yahoo Robland X31 group had the Robland mortising unit
- with router - for sale. Here's his description

"If anyone is interested, I have a Robland/Laguna Mortise table and the
Laguna
designed stand for sale at $450.00. It includes the Porter Cable
7418,7519
router base shown in the photos (no router).

I bought this stuff new from Laguna 5-6 years ago and just don't use
it."

Message was posted Feb 26, 2006 so it may be gone. e-mail him

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(you remove THE SPLINTERs and replace with @ and . .

charlie b