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Side shoulder planes
LV doesn't have one. Lie-Nielsen carries one for $185. Anyone here
have one? If yes, please comment on it's usefulness. any other currently available side shoulder planes you know of? Dave |
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"David" wrote in message ... LV doesn't have one. Lie-Nielsen carries one for $185. Anyone here have one? If yes, please comment on it's usefulness. any other currently available side shoulder planes you know of? I'm not sure what you are talking about. Do you mean a side rabbet plane? Bob |
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Assuming you mean a side rabbet plane, there are a few currently
available on ebay - search for Stanley 98 or 99. It looks like an interesting tool, but at the risk of exposing my ignorance, can you share what you intend to use it for? It seems like a shoulder plane or a chisel (cranked neck?) would accomplish the same thing if you're trying to clean up a rabbet - what am I missing? Thanks for enlightening me, Andy |
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Side shoulder planes - ah... side RABBET plane
BillyBob wrote:
"David" wrote in message ... LV doesn't have one. Lie-Nielsen carries one for $185. Anyone here have one? If yes, please comment on it's usefulness. any other currently available side shoulder planes you know of? I'm not sure what you are talking about. Do you mean a side rabbet plane? Bob doh! yes. |
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Andy wrote:
Assuming you mean a side rabbet plane, there are a few currently available on ebay - search for Stanley 98 or 99. It looks like an interesting tool, but at the risk of exposing my ignorance, can you share what you intend to use it for? It seems like a shoulder plane or a chisel (cranked neck?) would accomplish the same thing if you're trying to clean up a rabbet - what am I missing? Thanks for enlightening me, Andy a tool for widening the rabbet, rather than cleaning out the bottom. dave |
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"David" wrote in message ... I'm not sure what you are talking about. Do you mean a side rabbet plane? Bob doh! yes. So what exactly is unclear in your mind? The write-up says it all. The alternative is to adjust the thickness of the tenon which goes into the dado. You do shoulder as a matter of course for rack resistance, don't you? LV makes a nice shoulder plane. |
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On Thu, 10 Nov 2005 20:48:31 -0800, David wrote:
Anyone here have one? I've got an old Preston, the double sided version. It's very little use. Of the few times it would have been useful, it was too wide to fit into the tiny groove I was working of. For bigger grooves (anything drawer-bottom sized) it's just easier to make the grrove fit in the first place, by having a properly ground iron in the #43. The single-sided ones are awkward to sharpen and hard to adjust. The double sided ones are a nightmare to adjust ! Many people reckon you can't ever adjust both sides to cut well simultaneously. I think it might have some use for on-site fitting work, easing already-made pieces that have stopped working owing to damp weather or whatever. As a tool for building with, it's of very little use. I certainly wouldn't pay $180 for one. |
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George wrote:
"David" wrote in message ... I'm not sure what you are talking about. Do you mean a side rabbet plane? Bob doh! yes. So what exactly is unclear in your mind? The write-up says it all. The alternative is to adjust the thickness of the tenon which goes into the dado. You do shoulder as a matter of course for rack resistance, don't you? LV makes a nice shoulder plane. I have both their shoulder planes. What's unclear is the design. The pictures are **** poor. dave |
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Andy Dingley wrote:
On Thu, 10 Nov 2005 20:48:31 -0800, David wrote: Anyone here have one? I've got an old Preston, the double sided version. It's very little use. Of the few times it would have been useful, it was too wide to fit into the tiny groove I was working of. For bigger grooves (anything drawer-bottom sized) it's just easier to make the grrove fit in the first place, by having a properly ground iron in the #43. The single-sided ones are awkward to sharpen and hard to adjust. The double sided ones are a nightmare to adjust ! Many people reckon you can't ever adjust both sides to cut well simultaneously. I think it might have some use for on-site fitting work, easing already-made pieces that have stopped working owing to damp weather or whatever. As a tool for building with, it's of very little use. I certainly wouldn't pay $180 for one. thanks, Andy, that's the sort of input I was looking for. It sounds like a PITA. Dave |
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David wrote: LV doesn't have one. Lie-Nielsen carries one for $185. Anyone here have one? If yes, please comment on it's usefulness. any other currently available side shoulder planes you know of? Dave Are you talking about the side rabbett plane set, or the skew block plane with the removable side? I have the latter and use it all the time for trimming tenons and such. I like it and would buy it again. |
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"George" George@least wrote in message ... "David" wrote in message ... I'm not sure what you are talking about. Do you mean a side rabbet plane? Bob doh! yes. So what exactly is unclear in your mind? The write-up says it all. The alternative is to adjust the thickness of the tenon which goes into the dado. You do shoulder as a matter of course for rack resistance, don't you? LV makes a nice shoulder plane. don't be pedantic. The post turned about to be about a requirement that a shoulder plane will not accomplish. That's why I asked. Bob |
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"David" wrote in message ... LV doesn't have one. Lie-Nielsen carries one for $185. Anyone here have one? If yes, please comment on it's usefulness. any other currently available side shoulder planes you know of? Note that the $185 price is for two planes - a left hand and right hand. I think they used to sell these individually, but apparently do not anymore. You may be able to find them individually at retail dealers. In my view, its better to cut the dado or groove right to start with. This is fairly straighforward to do if you using a router or dado blade and you make test cuts first. I noted the post from someone who actually owns this type of plane and they did not recommend it. The fact that they are not widely manufactured any more ought to say something. These seem like one of those purchase you make when you just can't figure out where to spend money on new tools - like the guy who bought every jig Tormek makes just because they were there. Bob |
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BillyBob wrote:
"David" wrote in message ... LV doesn't have one. Lie-Nielsen carries one for $185. Anyone here have one? If yes, please comment on it's usefulness. any other currently available side shoulder planes you know of? Note that the $185 price is for two planes - a left hand and right hand. I think they used to sell these individually, but apparently do not anymore. You may be able to find them individually at retail dealers. In my view, its better to cut the dado or groove right to start with. This is fairly straighforward to do if you using a router or dado blade and you make test cuts first. I noted the post from someone who actually owns this type of plane and they did not recommend it. The fact that they are not widely manufactured any more ought to say something. These seem like one of those purchase you make when you just can't figure out where to spend money on new tools - like the guy who bought every jig Tormek makes just because they were there. Bob You make an excellent point. I had no idea if the side rabbet plane is something every self respecting Neander would have. I just recently saw it in a catalog. I do NOT believe in owning every tool; just the ones that are practical for me. Maybe the fact that the aren't too common explains why LV doesn't make one. dave |
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"BillyBob" wrote in message .net... don't be pedantic. The post turned about to be about a requirement that a shoulder plane will not accomplish. That's why I asked. Well, you're wrong, as you may have read. Not that it would bother someone who's so involved in himself as you. Bray on.... |
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"Andy Dingley" wrote in message ... On Thu, 10 Nov 2005 20:48:31 -0800, David wrote: The single-sided ones are awkward to sharpen and hard to adjust. The double sided ones are a nightmare to adjust ! Many people reckon you can't ever adjust both sides to cut well simultaneously. All too true! I have a single sided Stanley (hardly ever used). The cutting edges are so angled so that they have quite sharp points. The principal problem is that when a blade is set to cut properly, the point protrudes beyond the sole and digs in. As far as I can see, the way to set such gadgets is to run the sole along an oilstone just enough to blunt the point to stop it trying to dig in yet having just sufficient projection (as with a normal shoulder/rebate plane) to ensure that the corner is cleaned out. The small amount of 'sole' is a distinct disadvantage when trying to align the plane at the start of a cut. Furthermore, habitual backward strokes can have unwanted effects! Prevention better than cure? Jeff G -- Jeff Gorman, West Yorkshire, UK email : Username is amgron ISP is clara.co.uk www.amgron.clara.net |
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Jeff Gorman wrote:
"Andy Dingley" wrote in message ... On Thu, 10 Nov 2005 20:48:31 -0800, David wrote: The single-sided ones are awkward to sharpen and hard to adjust. The double sided ones are a nightmare to adjust ! Many people reckon you can't ever adjust both sides to cut well simultaneously. All too true! I have a single sided Stanley (hardly ever used). The cutting edges are so angled so that they have quite sharp points. The principal problem is that when a blade is set to cut properly, the point protrudes beyond the sole and digs in. As far as I can see, the way to set such gadgets is to run the sole along an oilstone just enough to blunt the point to stop it trying to dig in yet having just sufficient projection (as with a normal shoulder/rebate plane) to ensure that the corner is cleaned out. The small amount of 'sole' is a distinct disadvantage when trying to align the plane at the start of a cut. Furthermore, habitual backward strokes can have unwanted effects! Prevention better than cure? Jeff G Thanks for the input, Jeff. Your observations speak to my concerns about the efficacy of such a tool. I'm not going to pursue further thoughts of buying one. Dave |
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On Sat, 12 Nov 2005 08:55:18 -0000, "Jeff Gorman"
wrote: "Andy Dingley" wrote in message .. . On Thu, 10 Nov 2005 20:48:31 -0800, David wrote: The single-sided ones are awkward to sharpen and hard to adjust. The double sided ones are a nightmare to adjust ! Many people reckon you can't ever adjust both sides to cut well simultaneously. All too true! I have a single sided Stanley (hardly ever used). The cutting edges are so angled so that they have quite sharp points. The principal problem is that when a blade is set to cut properly, the point protrudes beyond the sole and digs in. As far as I can see, the way to set such gadgets is to run the sole along an oilstone just enough to blunt the point to stop it trying to dig in yet having just sufficient projection (as with a normal shoulder/rebate plane) to ensure that the corner is cleaned out. The small amount of 'sole' is a distinct disadvantage when trying to align the plane at the start of a cut. Furthermore, habitual backward strokes can have unwanted effects! Prevention better than cure? Jeff G last time I needed to widen a rebate I made a specialty base for my laminate trimmer. a shoulder plane is on my list, however... |
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On Fri, 11 Nov 2005 09:49:59 -0800, David wrote:
I had no idea if the side rabbet plane is something every self respecting Neander would have. Over the mantelpiece though, not out on the bench. |
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Andy Dingley wrote:
On Fri, 11 Nov 2005 09:49:59 -0800, David wrote: I had no idea if the side rabbet plane is something every self respecting Neander would have. Over the mantelpiece though, not out on the bench. I've given up the idea for getting one (you know how us WW'rs get near Christmas time--if we don't give our loved ones a list of goodies to buy us, they might get something decidedly UN-TOOL-LIKE) after hearing here that it isn't a common tool for a Neander to own. I'm only part-Neander, so I don't get to have ALL the cool "unplugged" stuff, but I'd like to have the necessities. Dave |
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On Sun, 13 Nov 2005 17:02:01 -0800, David wrote:
I don't get to have ALL the cool "unplugged" stuff, There's still plenty of "cool" unplugged stuff before you descend to the once-in-a-blue-moon uselessness of these side rebate planes. Have you got a lightweight European (German) wooden scrub plane with a big horn front handle yet ? Now they're wonderful fun for releasing the inner galoot. |
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Andy Dingley wrote:
On Sun, 13 Nov 2005 17:02:01 -0800, David wrote: I don't get to have ALL the cool "unplugged" stuff, There's still plenty of "cool" unplugged stuff before you descend to the once-in-a-blue-moon uselessness of these side rebate planes. Have you got a lightweight European (German) wooden scrub plane with a big horn front handle yet ? Now they're wonderful fun for releasing the inner galoot. No, Andy, I don't have any type of scrub plane. Dave |
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Andy Dingley writes:
[...] Have you got a lightweight European (German) wooden scrub plane with a big horn front handle yet ? Now they're wonderful fun for releasing the inner galoot. A very nice tool, but I had to add to mine (a fle-market buy) a hand protector, otherwise I ended up hurting thumb and index finger of the right hand in exerting the necessary force. -- Dr. Juergen Hannappel http://lisa2.physik.uni-bonn.de/~hannappe Phone: +49 228 73 2447 FAX ... 7869 Physikalisches Institut der Uni Bonn Nussallee 12, D-53115 Bonn, Germany CERN: Phone: +412276 76461 Fax: ..77930 Bat. 892-R-A13 CH-1211 Geneve 23 |
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