The SF Bay Area Woodworking Show ended today and my bank
account is a grand lighter.

While standing in line for a burger, the guy ahead of me looked
familiar. Neatly cut gray hair, glasses with the black string
thing, pressed blue 3 button dress shirt, khaki trousers with
straight pressed seams, polished but comfortable shoes, and,
oh yeah - a very neat shop apron.

"Excuse, me." I said "But if you're not Frank Klausz you could
be his twin."

The gentleman turned around and I immediately saw his
name tag - Frank Klausz.

"Your bench was the inspiration for the workbench I built,
and I even did a spalted maple spacer for the shoulder
vise just like yours. And I've gone through your Hand
Cut Dovetail Drawer video 15 or 20 times and can
actually cut dovetails pretty well thanks to you."

"Thank you." said Mr. Klausz.

"Are you teaching a class on handcut joinery?"

"No, I'm at the Felder booth."

"Well it was a pleasure meeting you.", we shook hands
and it was over.

Then I went back and sat in on Graham Blackburn's
How to Make Handcut Dovetails.

charlie b

charlie b said:

The SF Bay Area Woodworking Show ended today and my bank
account is a grand lighter.

snip tale of fawning over famous woodworker

Yeabut - what neat tools did you buy for a grand?

(Just kiddin ya) ;-)


Greg G.

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"charlie b" wrote in message
...
The SF Bay Area Woodworking Show ended today and my bank
account is a grand lighter.

The gentleman turned around and I immediately saw his
name tag - Frank Klausz.

That was good. I thought you were going to say you met B A D.
Ed
http://pages.cthome.net/edhome/

At least you didn't fawn all over him. I find that so embarrasing! Tom

Pig wrote:
My "being close to greatness" story is when I ran into Sam Maloof in
Charlotte, NC several years ago; he was giving a lecture at UNC
Charlotte that evening, which I ended up going to and was glad I did.
Mutt


Mine was when Jimmy Carter was to make a campaign appearance at a place
I was doing some consulting for. The Secret Service wanted the building
where they were setting up cleared. I pointed out that I was already
behind schedule and wasn't going to get further behind by losing a day.
The agent looked at me funny, asked if I'd be moving around, and told
me "Don't make any sudden moves." He actually came back an hour or two
later and talked to me about my work.

BTW, Carter never showed - running late for something else. From the
voices I heard down the hall, I think Rosalyn did, but I wasn't about to
go down there to find out :-).

charlie b said:

The SF Bay Area Woodworking Show ended today snip

Listen Charlie,

I apologize for the rude comment. I was revved up after talking to a
good friend of mine and went a little over the top. Although we joke
around like that a lot, it was an inappropriate slam to a relative
stranger. Your conversation with Frank was totally acceptable and
most certainly polite. It was simply a bad joke on my part.

I wish we had famous woodworkers in my part of the country to rub
elbows with - although I suppose Jimmy Carter does fit into at least
one of those categories.


Greg G.

On Mon, 31 Oct 2005 08:46:12 -0500, Greg wrote:

charlie b said:

The SF Bay Area Woodworking Show ended today snip

Listen Charlie,

I apologize for the rude comment. I was revved up after talking to a
good friend of mine and went a little over the top. Although we joke
around like that a lot, it was an inappropriate slam to a relative
stranger. Your conversation with Frank was totally acceptable and
most certainly polite. It was simply a bad joke on my part.

I thought it was hilarious. And I, too, want to know what he dropped
the grand on.

I wish we had famous woodworkers in my part of the country to rub
elbows with - although I suppose Jimmy Carter does fit into at least
one of those categories.

But have you met him? I have a friend (and coincidentallly a lifelong
Democrat who's active in local politics) who met him. Not at any
function or in an official capacity. He was at the museum in Plains
wandering around looking at exhibits and Carter happened to be there.
He has a picture of the two of them on his "love-me" wall.


--
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Shamelessly whoring my website since 1999

http://www.woodbutcher.net

Proud participant of rec.woodworking since February, 1997

My "being close to greatness" story is when I ran into Sam Maloof in
Charlotte, NC several years ago; he was giving a lecture at UNC
Charlotte that evening, which I ended up going to and was glad I did.
Mutt

On Sun, 30 Oct 2005 16:42:29 -0800, with neither quill nor qualm,
charlie b quickly quoth:

The SF Bay Area Woodworking Show ended today and my bank
account is a grand lighter.

Shows are like that. I leave the CC, checkbook, and crowbars
at home for good reason.


While standing in line for a burger, the guy ahead of me looked
familiar. Neatly cut gray hair, glasses with the black string
thing, pressed blue 3 button dress shirt, khaki trousers with
straight pressed seams, polished but comfortable shoes, and,
oh yeah - a very neat shop apron.

"Excuse, me." I said "But if you're not Frank Klausz you could
be his twin."

The gentleman turned around and I immediately saw his
name tag - Frank Klausz.

He's a really nice guy, isn't he? I had the definite pleasure
of attending a 3 day session with him in Sandy Eggo a while back,
with the SDFWA.

He told his life story and let us in on 15 hours worth of WW tips
and things he's learned during his amazing WW-filled life. That's
where I picked up the idea for that sig about Hungarian paper towels.
That's what he calls hand plane shavings. Whenever he needs to clean
his hands, he just bends over and picks up a handful of shavings to
wipe 'em.

Later I was his gopher at a handsawn dovie class he taught at the
Ontario WW show. The man has some distinct and very interesting
stories to tell.


"Well it was a pleasure meeting you.", we shook hands
and it was over.

Then I went back and sat in on Graham Blackburn's
How to Make Handcut Dovetails.

Fun, but "Aw, what a letdown!" g


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LRod said:

stranger. Your conversation with Frank was totally acceptable and
most certainly polite. It was simply a bad joke on my part.

I thought it was hilarious. And I, too, want to know what he dropped
the grand on.

Glad I could be of service.
As for the tools, we may never know the truth...
SWMBO probably has him confined after finding the huge bulging tarp in
the garage.

I wish we had famous woodworkers in my part of the country to rub
elbows with - although I suppose Jimmy Carter does fit into at least
one of those categories.

But have you met him? I have a friend (and coincidentallly a lifelong
Democrat who's active in local politics) who met him. Not at any
function or in an official capacity. He was at the museum in Plains
wandering around looking at exhibits and Carter happened to be there.
He has a picture of the two of them on his "love-me" wall.

Sure, we're the best of friends. I grew up in Atlanta. We go to
cookouts together all the time. His father is my aunt. His dog
****ed in my yard once. A rock thrown by his rear tire broke the
windshield on my 1986 Yugo in 1982 on I-285.


Sorry, it's one of those days... ;-)


Greg G.

Greg G.

No offense taken, no apology necessary, though noted
and appreciated.

It was hard not to go stupid on meeting Frank Klausz.
It was also hard not to go "Felder!?" I always thought
he was a traditional hand tools person. I'd have
loved to actually see him cut some dovetails - in
person. Europeans, even after being over here for
decades, seem to have a graciousness about them.
Perhaps it's a result of growing up in a culture
where offending, even inadvertently, the wrong person
could have serious, long lasting consequences.
And the lack of flannel was impressive, the pressed
seams in the pants were just a bonus.

As for meeting B.A.D. - he's been over to my shop
a couple of times. Nice easy going guy in person
and pretty sharp to boot - and I mean that in a
good way.

OK - Das Loot from the WWing show

- RazerTip wood burner and several "pens" for an
artist friend in Texas. Hopefully it'll get her
muse’s ass in gear and she'll get back to being
creative more often. She does huge murals,
finely detailed pen and ink stuff, small sculpture,
portraits in acrylic and oil and used to make
floats for the Texas debutantes' balls (in Texas
even the young women have balls). The wood
burning tools should lead to some very interesting
decorated gourds.
- set of medium and fine riffler files
- leather strop
- a couple more jigs for the Tormek and the diamond
trueing set. Got the jig to do fingernail profiles on
turning tools and one for doing skew chisels. Based
on the prices, I looked for but did not find the
14 KT stamp anywhere on the jigs - but it must
be there somewhere.
- Trend router - small and great for lettering and
freehand stuff
- two Sorby turning tools (turning tools are
even more expensive than Lie Nielsen chisels)
a long fingernail ground bowl gouge and an
inside scraper with changeable tips. They were
out of both but I managed to talk them into
selling me the ones they used for demos at the
end of the show - at a discount of course since
they were “used” (and already honed and
polished)
- a set of the new Micro-Plane "sanding disks"
set up for 5" hook and loop ROS Supposed to
last 30 times longer than sand paper disks.
They clearly state that they're not good for
resouness woods. There will ba a New and
Improved version coming out in Janaury of
'06. Wonder if, like software, they have a
discounted "upgrade price"?
- set of plug cutters from Snappy Tools. These
dome the top of the plug so they start easier
while keeping the sides straight and square
for a nice tight fit - with no glue lines..
- a slick “dial a setting” jig for 8 different kinds
of router bits - lock miter, drawer lock, T&G,
Rail and Stile (ogee profile), ... It's bright
yellow so it'll be harder to lose than a bunch
of set up blocks. It can be dialed in for various
stock thicknesses - which the set up blocks won't
do.
- a set of three "spring hammer" tools,
a small chisel, a self centering punch for
hinge screw centers and a brad nail driver
Set the tool where you want it, pull back the
spring driven "hammer" and it wacks the
end of the working part of the tool. May
save me a black nailed thumb.
- a set of wire "burning wires" for turnings
- an interesting Blum cabinet door "soft close"
thingamajig - basically a small. rubber tipped
cylinder in a plastic "dowel". Drill a hole,
slip it in and your cabinet door swings almost
closed then slowly closes the last 1/2" to
the cabinet frame. At $5 each they’re really
pricey - but they work well and are
unobstrusive
- a flex shaft powered reciprocating handpiece
and 5 Flex Cut type chisels for it to use for
carving. I've already got a Foredom from my
jewelry making days.
- a pair of Kreg "Support Tabs". These
go with the Drawer Guides installation
jigs I already have. The latter hold the
guides while installing the guides in the
case. These jigs fit up under the installed
drawer guides and support the drawer
while you attach the guides to them. Slick
jigs if you're doing drawer cabinets with
sliding guides. The idea is obvious - once
you've seen them and how they're used.

And the NEENER - an Macassar ebony H.N.T. Gordon
spoke shave that's a work of art, feels great in hand
and transitions from horizontal to convex curve
acrossed the grain beautifully. The hand positions
are low and close to the stock, thumbs together
right behind the cutter, middle fingers over the
top and down against the sides of the part, pointer
fingers on the top front for holding, so it's less
apt to roll and dig in. Is just as comfortable
to use and hold when pulling as it is when pushing.

When a tool is designed and built by someone who
actually uses it and knows the weaknesses of
manufactured tools, you often end up with a better,
easier to use and maintain tool.

Like Steve Knight, Mr. Gordon loves making
and using his tools. He gets damn close to
making one sided shaving. When someone makes
something nice and useful and puts their name on it
- I'll get in line to buy one. He, like Steve, is also
a really nice guy.

All this stuff didn’t quite add up to a grand. The
balance must’ve gone for parking ($7/day) Show
Food ($3 for a small order of fries, $5 for a
burger OR hot dog, $3 small cokes, etc.) and a
surprise for some poor, emphasis on poor, guy
who is agonizing on which $25-40 tool to get
because he can’t afford both, though he has an
immediate need for both. The look on his or
her face when you buy one and hand it to him
or her and walk away is priceless. Next year
maybe I’ll “Hi Ho Silver” as a ride off and
maybe make up a silver bullet to leave behind.

Graham Blackburn also did a great presentation
on hand planes and increased my understanding
of how and why they work so well - if set up
properly. He also extolled the virtues of wooden
planes, with thicker irons, wedges and "tap to
set and adjust". He dropped in an iron, tapped
the wedge in place and planed see through
shavings on a quilted maple board. Then he
took out a piece of cherry, tapped the plane
again and took beefy cuts off it. Tapped again
and went back to shaving birdseye maple.
If you've tried to do that with a "modern" metal
handplane, even a Lie Nielsen, you know about
"slop" in the depth adjustment mechanism and
the test passes that are needed before using the
new setting on the real stuff. He also pointed
out that wooden planes are easier to "fettle"
(get the bottom flat and the sides square to
the bottom) and easier to do mouth repairs on
than metal planes.

He pointed out that originally, metal hand
planes were developed for carpenters, not
furniture makers. Metal held up better to
the abuses hand tools are subjected to on
construction sites..

This guys not a dyed in the wool neander but
has a real passion for preserving the proper
use and apperciation of tried and true tools.
When a tool has several hundred years of
R&D in it, by folks who made their livings
with them, the result can be far superior
to "the latest and greatest" out of titanium
and inium coated, cryogenically treated
space age wonders.

ramble mode off

charlie b

On Mon, 31 Oct 2005 10:37:29 -0500, Greg wrote:


I wish we had famous woodworkers in my part of the country to rub
elbows with - although I suppose Jimmy Carter does fit into at least
one of those categories.

But have you met him? I have a friend (and coincidentallly a lifelong
Democrat who's active in local politics) who met him. Not at any
function or in an official capacity. He was at the museum in Plains
wandering around looking at exhibits and Carter happened to be there.
He has a picture of the two of them on his "love-me" wall.

Sure, we're the best of friends. I grew up in Atlanta. We go to
cookouts together all the time. His father is my aunt.

That's a neat trick. Any surgery involved?



Greg G.

"charlie b" wrote in message

When a tool has several hundred years of
R&D in it, by folks who made their livings
with them, the result can be far superior
to "the latest and greatest" out of titanium
and inium coated, cryogenically treated
space age wonders.

ramble mode off

What!?? ... no wooden planes with laser's on 'em? Gotta be the "next big
thing" in wooddork marketing, doncha know....

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Last update: 10/22/05

On 31 Oct 2005 06:37:49 -0800, "Pig" wrote:

My "being close to greatness" story is when I ran into Sam Maloof in
Charlotte, NC several years ago; he was giving a lecture at UNC
Charlotte that evening, which I ended up going to and was glad I did.
Mutt

Mine was picnicking with David Marks this last summer. A bunch of
woodnet guys and a couple of WoodCentral guys arranged a picnic when
he was in Orlando doing some classes at Woodcraft, invited him, and
his wife enthusiastically said yes.

Nice guy. He's not at all wooden like he seems to be on TV. Now that
I've met him and talked with him, I see that his TV personality is
pretty much like him. But the depth of knowledge, ability, and
experience just doesn't come through like it does in person.

He brought some of the pieces that he's made on the program--one in
particular was a maple (I think) bowl with an ebony ring. Everything
was stunning. No sanding marks. None, Nada, Zilch. Zero. Bupkus. And
the tung oil finish is awesome.

I joked with him that he uses more MDF than most of us use real wood.
Awfully nice guy. And his wife is a sweetheart, too.

By the way, he sneaks tools in just like the rest of us. "That? I've
had that for a long time..."


--
LRod

Master Woodbutcher and seasoned termite

Shamelessly whoring my website since 1999

http://www.woodbutcher.net

Proud participant of rec.woodworking since February, 1997

LRod wrote:


He brought some of the pieces that he's made on the program--one in
particular was a maple (I think) bowl with an ebony ring. Everything
was stunning. No sanding marks. None, Nada, Zilch. Zero. Bupkus. And
the tung oil finish is awesome.

Lrod, were there any sanding marks?


Dave

Sure, we're the best of friends. I grew up in Atlanta. We go to
cookouts together all the time. His father is my aunt.

That's a neat trick. Any surgery involved?

Probably just a grizzly WW accident...

On Mon, 31 Oct 2005 14:22:50 +0000, LRod wrote:

But have you met him? I have a friend (and coincidentallly a lifelong
Democrat who's active in local politics) who met him. Not at any
function or in an official capacity. He was at the museum in Plains
wandering around looking at exhibits and Carter happened to be there.
He has a picture of the two of them on his "love-me" wall.

One of my past coworkers worked with Jimmy Carter in several Habitat
for Humanity projects.

She said he was very stingy with his tools.

-Zig

charlie b wrote:
and a
surprise for some poor, emphasis on poor, guy
who is agonizing on which $25-40 tool to get
because he can’t afford both, though he has an
immediate need for both. The look on his or
her face when you buy one and hand it to him
or her and walk away is priceless.

Wow, that was an unexpected act of kindness in the middle of a post
about all the cool stuff you bought!

When you're done here you're going to the big workshop in the sky :-)

Nice to read.

See ya,


Andy

On Tue, 01 Nov 2005 09:54:53 GMT, Andy Jeffries
wrote:

charlie b wrote:
and a
surprise for some poor, emphasis on poor, guy
who is agonizing on which $25-40 tool to get
because he can’t afford both, though he has an
immediate need for both. The look on his or
her face when you buy one and hand it to him
or her and walk away is priceless.

Wow, that was an unexpected act of kindness in the middle of a post
about all the cool stuff you bought!

Yeah, I was impressed with that, too. What a great idea. Sort of makes
paying the toll for the guy behind you look like a cheap gimmick.

When you're done here you're going to the big workshop in the sky :-)

Nice to read.

Sure was.

--
LRod

Master Woodbutcher and seasoned termite

Shamelessly whoring my website since 1999

http://www.woodbutcher.net

Proud participant of rec.woodworking since February, 1997

Dave Hinz wrote:
On Tue, 01 Nov 2005 12:39:38 -0800, nospambob wrote:

I was crossing the south tip of San Francisco Bay on a bridge (if
memory serves) is almost 9 miles long when a stalled car was "parked"
in one of the two traffic lanes. Man with wife and two kids had run
out of gas. Told him to get in and steer while I pushed him across
the bridge and he coasted into the first gas station, I never slowed
down after starting to push. Just commented to him to remember when
he saw someone stalled and out of gas.


Yup. "No, I won't take money for helping you, just return the favor by
helping someone else out someday."


I ran across a family with a flat tire and no money while crossing a
Navaho reservation. Took the father and the tire to the closest gas
staion I could find which was about 5 miles away on a dirt road. When
the Navaho man who fixed the tire found out I was going to pay for it,
he said there'd be no charge. So the father has to help someone to pay
me back and I have to help someone to pay back the Navaho man :-).

charlie b wrote:

- Trend router - small and great for lettering and
freehand stuff


Tell me more.

I like SMALL routers for hand held stuff, using a laminate trimmer for a
lot of smaller edge treatment. I like the new Bosch, but the Trend
plunges...

How's the plunge mechanism? The balance? View?

Thanks,
Barry

I was crossing the south tip of San Francisco Bay on a bridge (if
memory serves) is almost 9 miles long when a stalled car was "parked"
in one of the two traffic lanes. Man with wife and two kids had run
out of gas. Told him to get in and steer while I pushed him across
the bridge and he coasted into the first gas station, I never slowed
down after starting to push. Just commented to him to remember when
he saw someone stalled and out of gas.

On Tue, 01 Nov 2005 12:07:24 +0000, LRod wrote:

On Tue, 01 Nov 2005 09:54:53 GMT, Andy Jeffries
wrote:

charlie b wrote:
and a
surprise for some poor, emphasis on poor, guy
who is agonizing on which $25-40 tool to get
because he can’t afford both, though he has an
immediate need for both. The look on his or
her face when you buy one and hand it to him
or her and walk away is priceless.

Wow, that was an unexpected act of kindness in the middle of a post
about all the cool stuff you bought!

Yeah, I was impressed with that, too. What a great idea. Sort of makes
paying the toll for the guy behind you look like a cheap gimmick.

When you're done here you're going to the big workshop in the sky :-)

Nice to read.

Sure was.

On Tue, 01 Nov 2005 12:39:38 -0800, nospambob wrote:
I was crossing the south tip of San Francisco Bay on a bridge (if
memory serves) is almost 9 miles long when a stalled car was "parked"
in one of the two traffic lanes. Man with wife and two kids had run
out of gas. Told him to get in and steer while I pushed him across
the bridge and he coasted into the first gas station, I never slowed
down after starting to push. Just commented to him to remember when
he saw someone stalled and out of gas.

Yup. "No, I won't take money for helping you, just return the favor by
helping someone else out someday."

"Dave Hinz" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 01 Nov 2005 12:39:38 -0800, nospambob wrote:
I was crossing the south tip of San Francisco Bay on a bridge (if
memory serves) is almost 9 miles long when a stalled car was "parked"
in one of the two traffic lanes. Man with wife and two kids had run
out of gas. Told him to get in and steer while I pushed him across
the bridge and he coasted into the first gas station, I never slowed
down after starting to push. Just commented to him to remember when
he saw someone stalled and out of gas.

Yup. "No, I won't take money for helping you, just return the favor by
helping someone else out someday."

pay it forward

Charles Spitzer wrote:

"Dave Hinz" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 01 Nov 2005 12:39:38 -0800, nospambob wrote:
I was crossing the south tip of San Francisco Bay on a bridge (if
memory serves) is almost 9 miles long when a stalled car was "parked"
in one of the two traffic lanes. Man with wife and two kids had run
out of gas. Told him to get in and steer while I pushed him across
the bridge and he coasted into the first gas station, I never slowed
down after starting to push. Just commented to him to remember when
he saw someone stalled and out of gas.

Yup. "No, I won't take money for helping you, just return the favor by
helping someone else out someday."

pay it forward

I make the drunks I pull out of the bar ditches on occasion pick up beer
cans (theirs or someone else's) rather than charge 'em...if it's muddy
or snowing as it often is, they do the crawling in the mud as well...

On 1 Nov 2005 20:44:39 GMT, Dave Hinz wrote:

On Tue, 01 Nov 2005 12:39:38 -0800, nospambob wrote:
I was crossing the south tip of San Francisco Bay on a bridge (if
memory serves) is almost 9 miles long when a stalled car was "parked"
in one of the two traffic lanes. Man with wife and two kids had run
out of gas. Told him to get in and steer while I pushed him across
the bridge and he coasted into the first gas station, I never slowed
down after starting to push. Just commented to him to remember when
he saw someone stalled and out of gas.

Yup. "No, I won't take money for helping you, just return the favor by
helping someone else out someday."

While on my way to store, my son and I saw a lady standing on the side
of the road crying. She was obviously hurting and was using a
walker. She had no shoes or even a purse. I turned around to see if
we could help. It seems she had been in hospital and when released had
taken a bus home only to discover that her boyfriend had been arrested
and landlord had locked the house up for past rent. It was friday
night, she had no money and nowhere to go.

We rented her motel room with a kitchen, then we went to goodwill and
bought her some clothes, then some food and medicine for her feet as
they were covered with blisters from trying to walk barefoot in
Arizona in the summer time. Left her with 20 dollars and phone
numbers for our church as well as crisis intervention.

As we are driving away I asked my son how he felt. He said he felt sad
to know that people, that they could just wake up and find that they
were alone.

His last words were " Please don't tell anyone not even Mom I'm afraid
it will change me"

I love my son!

Ed

On Mon, 31 Oct 2005 18:15:59 -0500, Zigler wrote:

On Mon, 31 Oct 2005 14:22:50 +0000, LRod wrote:

But have you met him? I have a friend (and coincidentallly a lifelong
Democrat who's active in local politics) who met him. Not at any
function or in an official capacity. He was at the museum in Plains
wandering around looking at exhibits and Carter happened to be there.
He has a picture of the two of them on his "love-me" wall.

One of my past coworkers worked with Jimmy Carter in several Habitat
for Humanity projects.

She said he was very stingy with his tools.

-Zig

Having been involved in Habitat projects for a number of years, I can
tell you that from what I've seen, being stingy with one's personal
tools is quite understandable. I got to the point where I brought as
few personal tools as I could, made easier since we got some funds
that were used to buy tools for the organization.

The "volunteers" come in all flavors and sometimes (rarely, but it
only takes one) just don't quite exercise the proper care and feeding
of tools. Or, more frequently, they let their kids run rampant and
next thing you know, they've gone and broken that fancy, expensive
whatchamacallit, but plead ignorance.

Renata

On Fri, 18 Nov 2005 08:28:15 -0500, Renata
wrote:

On Mon, 31 Oct 2005 18:15:59 -0500, Zigler wrote:

On Mon, 31 Oct 2005 14:22:50 +0000, LRod wrote:

But have you met him? I have a friend (and coincidentallly a lifelong
Democrat who's active in local politics) who met him. Not at any
function or in an official capacity. He was at the museum in Plains
wandering around looking at exhibits and Carter happened to be there.
He has a picture of the two of them on his "love-me" wall.

One of my past coworkers worked with Jimmy Carter in several Habitat
for Humanity projects.

She said he was very stingy with his tools.

-Zig

Having been involved in Habitat projects for a number of years, I can
tell you that from what I've seen, being stingy with one's personal
tools is quite understandable. I got to the point where I brought as
few personal tools as I could, made easier since we got some funds
that were used to buy tools for the organization.

The "volunteers" come in all flavors and sometimes (rarely, but it
only takes one) just don't quite exercise the proper care and feeding
of tools. Or, more frequently, they let their kids run rampant and
next thing you know, they've gone and broken that fancy, expensive
whatchamacallit, but plead ignorance.

Renata


yeah. if someone asks you to participate in a volunteer project
because you're the only one with any tools, run away.
damhikt....