wrote in message
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So why after fifteen years of harping on this am I the only one using
them.g

Because all we care about in here is wood related things, not sandbags.

wrote in message

So why after fifteen years of harping on this am I the only one using
them.g

Because the rest of us live down in Florida where hurricanes are more of a
concern than snow.

pe wrote:
How many here use sand bags for weight in their car or truck in the winter?
For fifteen years I have been using bags of small stucco chips instead.
(snip)
Best of all in spring you can use them for landscaping in your yard.

So why after fifteen years of harping on this am I the only one using them.g

Never heard of stucco chips. Is it made from flaking stucco or more like
cow chips?

--
Gerald Ross
Cochran, GA

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parts are missing!





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pe wrote:
How many here use sand bags for weight in their car or truck in the winter?

No, I have limited slip rear axle.

If that's not enough, I can activate 4WD and my electrically locking
rear differential. G

"BillyBob" wrote in message
k.net...

wrote in message
...

So why after fifteen years of harping on this am I the only one using
them.g

Because all we care about in here is wood related things, not sandbags.



I keep some 4' sections of hard maple in the back of my pickup.

If I were carrying a bag of anything, it'd be chicken grit. Sharp, and
instant traction....

pe wrote:
So why after fifteen years of harping on this am I the only one using them.g


My chauffeur never asked for my authorization to buy them.




--
Mortimer Schnerd, RN

VE

I just put an 8' piece of steel on the front of my truck in the snow, says
"Western" on it. What I haven't figured out is if I am required to where my
cowboy hat when driving with it on. Don't seem to have any trouble with snow
what so ever though....

knothead

No, I have limited slip rear axle.

If that's not enough, I can activate 4WD and my electrically locking
rear differential. G

Limited slip and a locker? Fanatic....;-)

pe wrote:
How many here use sand bags for weight in their car or truck in the winter?

Not me. I use 5 gallon buckets. Fill 'em with water and they're about
40lb each.

-j

When I had a rear-wheel drive, I used to carry one-gallon plastic jugs
of cat litter (the ones you see in supermarkets). It added some weight
and if I found myself stuck on ice somewhere, it made for an excellent
traction mechanism (just pour it out). The one-gallon size made it
easier to work with.

However ... cat litter does make a real mess if you get it on your boots
and track it into the house. Stucco chips sound like they would have
been a better option.

Heck .. we live in New Mexico now. We don't get enough ice down here to
consider the problem anymore!

Jack

pe wrote:

How many here use sand bags for weight in their car or truck in the winter?
For fifteen years I have been using bags of small stucco chips instead.
They are cheaper than the dirty sandbags sold around here.
50 pound bag of stucco chips is $3.50
They don't mess up your vehicle even if they spill. Nice clean white rocks easy
to clean up.
They don't freeze into a solid lump.
They don't get your hands all filthy if you need to throw some under the tires
for traction.
And they REALLY provide traction, way better than the dirty frozen sand.

Best of all in spring you can use them for landscaping in your yard.

So why after fifteen years of harping on this am I the only one using them.g

On Wed, 21 Sep 2005 01:02:41 -0400, "Upscale"
wrote:

wrote in message

So why after fifteen years of harping on this am I the only one using
them.g

Because the rest of us live down in Florida where hurricanes are more of a
concern than snow.


I see. So you have need for more than a couple of sandbags.

I'll take the snow, thank you anyway.

"Upscale" wrote in message
...
wrote in message

So why after fifteen years of harping on this am I the only one using
them.g

Because the rest of us live down in Florida where hurricanes are more of a
concern than snow.


There are a few of us who live in sunny California where the weather in most
places consists of two seasons. Warmer sunny weather and Cooler sunny
weather. Occasionally we do have that strange liquid stuff falling from the
skies which so confuses some people that they forget how to drive all
together.

~Jen

wrote in message
...

How many here use sand bags for weight in their car or truck in the
winter?
For fifteen years I have been using bags of small stucco chips instead.
They are cheaper than the dirty sandbags sold around here.
50 pound bag of stucco chips is $3.50
They don't mess up your vehicle even if they spill. Nice clean white rocks
easy
to clean up.
They don't freeze into a solid lump.
They don't get your hands all filthy if you need to throw some under the
tires
for traction.
And they REALLY provide traction, way better than the dirty frozen sand.

Best of all in spring you can use them for landscaping in your yard.

So why after fifteen years of harping on this am I the only one using
them.g


Never heard of "stucco chips". What they hell are they normally used for?
Here in CA we prefer our stucco on the walls.
--
********
Bill Pounds
http://www.billpounds.com

pe wrote:
...

So why after fifteen years of harping on this am I the only one using them.g

1) I never read what you wrote about them before.

2) I never heard of stucco chips before and have no idea where to
get them, or what sort of dip to serve with them.

3) I live in MD now, but when I lived in NE Ohio I just drove
through the snow and never worried about redistributing the
weight.

--

FF

Stucco chips are his name for decorative landscaping stones, about the
size of a nickel, usually in come in bags at DIY stores. In this case,
he prefers the white stones.

John

Never heard of "stucco chips". What they hell are they normally used
for?

In this context, they are for when your car gets stucco in the snow and ice.
You pour some in your tire tracks to get unstucco. g

Lee


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Last time I had a rear-wheel-drive car I kept 4 or 5 cinder blocks in the
trunk during the winter.

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wrote in message
And they REALLY provide traction, way better than the dirty frozen sand.

Best of all in spring you can use them for landscaping in your yard.

So why after fifteen years of harping on this am I the only one using
them.g

I use them and they work great. I stack maybe four over each of the drive
wheels. Only problem is, I can's see over the hood then. Maybe it is a
better idea for RWD vehicles.

"Edwin Pawlowski" wrote in message
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wrote in message
And they REALLY provide traction, way better than the dirty frozen sand.

Best of all in spring you can use them for landscaping in your yard.

So why after fifteen years of harping on this am I the only one using
them.g

I use them and they work great. I stack maybe four over each of the drive
wheels. Only problem is, I can's see over the hood then. Maybe it is a
better idea for RWD vehicles.

Harrumph! In my earlier days, carried two or three old tombstones in the
trunk of my '53 Chev.(grandad was sexton for our country cemetery and they
were old ones that had been replaced). Carried a toolbox or a couple
concrete blocks in the front end of my '62 Corvair just to help keep the
front end glued down so I could steer it in the winter. Only time I ever got
it stuck was showing off, tried driving over/through a ridge of plowed snow
in a parking lot, got high-centered and had to drag enough snow out from
under the car to get the wheels back on the ground! Later on had (4) 50lb.
Otis elevator test weights, about 8" x 8" x 6" steel with a built in handle,
in my '64 Falcon Sprint. More recently, (5) 70lb. tubes of "traction grit".
They fit nicely between wheelwells in my 2WD p/u, and if really necessary
open them and spread some very nice sharp cornered traction aid. Between
those and snow tires, if I can't get where I'm going, got no business going
there!

--
Nahmie
The greatest headaches are those we cause ourselves.

I made several sand bags from old cotton jeans legs. Placed on the
lower lathe shelf it provides added stability and excellent vibration
dampening. I have also used the sand bags to weigh down glued up
parts--it works well for unusual shapes as well as sandwiched ply
sheets.

pe wrote:

How many here use sand bags for weight in their car or truck in the winter?
For fifteen years I have been using bags of small stucco chips instead.
They are cheaper than the dirty sandbags sold around here.
50 pound bag of stucco chips is $3.50
They don't mess up your vehicle even if they spill. Nice clean white rocks easy
to clean up.
They don't freeze into a solid lump.
They don't get your hands all filthy if you need to throw some under the tires
for traction.
And they REALLY provide traction, way better than the dirty frozen sand.

Best of all in spring you can use them for landscaping in your yard.

So why after fifteen years of harping on this am I the only one using them.g

Cars? No. Front wheel drive with all season tires.

Truck? Not sand. Four wheel drive and a couple of elevator weights
bolted to the bed over the rear axle.

And yes, we've been know to get a little bit of snow in these parts (see
signature).

--
Jack Novak
Buffalo, NY - USA

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"Norman D. Crow" wrote in message

were old ones that had been replaced). Carried a toolbox or a couple
concrete blocks in the front end of my '62 Corvair just to help keep the
front end glued down so I could steer it in the winter. Only time I ever
got it stuck was showing off, tried driving over/through a ridge of plowed
snow in a parking lot, got high-centered and had to drag enough snow out
from under the car to get the wheels back on the ground!

I had one too, Monza with the 4 speed. Great car in snow. I had 7.00 x 13
tires and it just went anyplace. Yes, I had a toolbox in the trunk too.
--
Ed
http://pages.cthome.net/edhome/

"Australopithecus scobis" wrote in message
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On Wed, 21 Sep 2005 21:06:53 +0000, Phisherman wrote:

I made several sand bags from old cotton jeans legs.

Do you line the bags with plastic? I'm keen on making such sandbags, but
it seems the sand would leak through the denim. We're talking worn-out
jeans here; they get a little thin. And no, I wouldn't use the leg with
the hole in the knee!

Do you tie or stitch them closed?

Pick up a couple pair at Salvation Army - get exactly the size you need for
sandbags. Machine sew the legs closed with several rows of stitching.

Josie

On Wed, 21 Sep 2005 19:40:52 -0500, Australopithecus scobis
wrote:

On Wed, 21 Sep 2005 21:06:53 +0000, Phisherman wrote:

I made several sand bags from old cotton jeans legs.

Do you line the bags with plastic? I'm keen on making such sandbags, but
it seems the sand would leak through the denim. We're talking worn-out
jeans here; they get a little thin. And no, I wouldn't use the leg with
the hole in the knee!

Do you tie or stitch them closed?

I did not line the bags, but I did make sure there were no holes. I
stitched the legs closed using heavy-duty thread, a large needle, and
thimble. I used play sand. Easy to do.

"Edwin Pawlowski" wrote in message
. ..

"Norman D. Crow" wrote in message

were old ones that had been replaced). Carried a toolbox or a couple
concrete blocks in the front end of my '62 Corvair just to help keep the
front end glued down so I could steer it in the winter. Only time I ever
got it stuck was showing off, tried driving over/through a ridge of
plowed snow in a parking lot, got high-centered and had to drag enough
snow out from under the car to get the wheels back on the ground!

I had one too, Monza with the 4 speed. Great car in snow. I had 7.00 x
13 tires and it just went anyplace. Yes, I had a toolbox in the trunk
too.
--

YEP! Loved that little car. Loved it even more after I put hotter plugs in
it so they didn't foul so much in city/winter driving. Threw the belt a time
or three, just put it back on & go. It would, however, religiously burn up a
set of points every 9K miles. Intended to go with a CD ignition , but traded
it first.

--
Nahmie
The greatest headaches are those we cause ourselves.

"no(SPAM)vasys" wrote in message
...
Truck? Not sand. Four wheel drive and a couple of elevator weights
bolted to the bed over the rear axle.

And yes, we've been know to get a little bit of snow in these parts (see
signature).

You know what the motto of the Otis Elevator Company is, don't you?

Good - to the last drop.

Still driving a 2WD Ranger where there's better'n twice your average
snowfall.

"Australopithecus scobis" wrote in message
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On Wed, 21 Sep 2005 20:47:03 -0400, Jois wrote:

Pick up a couple pair at Salvation Army

SA? I just look in my closet!

Thanks for the info on construction.

I tried this one year instead of water bags on the rim (18") of an above
ground pool. Worked great, sand stayed in bags, not too heavy for me to
lift, but turned out to be great pain in the neck for me to store. (To make
them I moved the portable sewing machine to a table out by the pool and
filled the leg bags so enough room to spare to sew the top on the machine.
Seemed about right, bags not overstuffed so they still were a bit bendable
or conformable.) Ended up (year or two years later) switching over to these
inexpensive plastic clamps from hardware store, been using them several
years and squirt them with WD40, store in plastic woven bag, and they are
ready to go in the fall. Much lighter than sandbags.

Josie

B a r r y wrote in
:



pe wrote:
How many here use sand bags for weight in their car or truck in the
winter?

No, I have limited slip rear axle.

If that's not enough, I can activate 4WD and my electrically locking
rear differential. G


Sweeeeeeeeeeeeeeet... Rubicon?

I've got a 2000 Cherokee w/ limited slip Chrysler 8.25. Took a chance on
some ProComp All Terrains. So far, nothing Colorado has thrown my way
has slowed me down.

I'm now lobbying the Guv'nur for the HOV lanes to become "Jeep Only"
during blizzards...

pe wrote:

How many here use sand bags for weight in their car or truck in the winter?
....

I just add more fuel to the transport tanks if they're not already
full...

"Jennifer Juniper" said:
There are a few of us who live in sunny California where the weather in
most
places consists of two seasons. Warmer sunny weather and Cooler sunny
weather. Occasionally we do have that strange liquid stuff falling from
the
skies which so confuses some people that they forget how to drive all
together.

~Jen

Sorry Jen we have four seasons in SoCal. Spring Summer Fire Flood

Dave



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Patrick Conroy wrote:


If that's not enough, I can activate 4WD and my electrically locking
rear differential. G



Sweeeeeeeeeeeeeeet... Rubicon?

2005 Toyota Tacoma - TRD Off-road. G

My Wrangler has LS, but no locker.

Barry

pe wrote:


I has a 2WD Mazda 2200.
My neighbors all have big $by$s.
I'm the only one not whining about the price of gas.g

Good for you! Please allow me to pat you on the back for owning the
vehicle that's right for you.

In 8 months I have 2800 miles on this truck. Do I care if gas hits $5 a
gallon? G

FWIW, My "big" Taco gets about ~20 MPG, which is not bad considering
it'll tow _TWO_ 2WD Mazda 2200's (6500 pounds). My old 22R powered 2wd
Toyota pickup only got about 25, with no Access Cab, no 4WD, and 30% of
the towing capacity.

I prefer my bicycle for errands whenever I can.

pe wrote:

On Thu, 22 Sep 2005 11:50:34 -0500, Duane Bozarth
wrote:

wrote:

How many here use sand bags for weight in their car or truck in the winter?
...

I just add more fuel to the transport tanks if they're not already
full...

sometimes weight is not enough.
Our problem is ice, because of our high number of sunny days in the winter once
snow is driven on once it becomes a sheet of ice that does not go away.
Even footprints in snow become instant ice here. You can't step in the same spot
twice unless you want to end up on your ass.
You can pull into a parking lot here on warm tires and find all four spinning in
holes when you are done shopping.
One giant ice rink here for 4-5 months.

Few cowpies takes care of that...

On Thu, 22 Sep 2005 12:09:15 -0700, pe wrote:

On Wed, 21 Sep 2005 10:03:24 -0700, "Pounds on Wood"
wrote:


wrote in message
. ..

How many here use sand bags for weight in their car or truck in the
winter?
For fifteen years I have been using bags of small stucco chips instead.
They are cheaper than the dirty sandbags sold around here.
50 pound bag of stucco chips is $3.50
They don't mess up your vehicle even if they spill. Nice clean white rocks
easy
to clean up.
They don't freeze into a solid lump.
They don't get your hands all filthy if you need to throw some under the
tires
for traction.
And they REALLY provide traction, way better than the dirty frozen sand.

Best of all in spring you can use them for landscaping in your yard.

So why after fifteen years of harping on this am I the only one using
them.g


Never heard of "stucco chips". What they hell are they normally used for?
Here in CA we prefer our stucco on the walls.

They are used in stucco as a finish. Between 1/8" and 1/4" sized white silica
rock.

Ya gotta understand that those californicators think that stucco is
that plastic Dryvit crap not a cement based product with white stones
in it ;-)

How many here use sand bags for weight in their car or truck in the
winter?

CLIP

When you're Sicilian like me and live near NYC you don't think about putting
extra weight in the trunk... If ya know what I mean... grin
--


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Ya gotta understand that those californicators think that stucco is
that plastic Dryvit crap not a cement based product with white stones
in it ;-)

Dryvit! Nonsense, builders in California only use it when forced by the
architect to achive some specific design requirement. Remember, we don't
have to grind rock to get sand. We prefer real stucco out West. (And we
like our Mag 77's al well!)

Dave






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"Joe AutoDrill" wrote in message
news:8YEYe.11917$e_4.3318@trndny08...
How many here use sand bags for weight in their car or truck in the
winter?

CLIP

When you're Sicilian like me and live near NYC you don't think about
putting extra weight in the trunk... If ya know what I mean... grin
--


Regards,
Joe Agro, Jr.

You mean like the NJ troopers I used to see darn near dismantling a
suspected drug running car on I80?

--
Nahmie
The greatest headaches are those we cause ourselves.

On Wed, 21 Sep 2005 23:52:57 GMT, "Edwin Pawlowski" wrote:


"Norman D. Crow" wrote in message

were old ones that had been replaced). Carried a toolbox or a couple
concrete blocks in the front end of my '62 Corvair just to help keep the
front end glued down so I could steer it in the winter. Only time I ever
got it stuck was showing off, tried driving over/through a ridge of plowed
snow in a parking lot, got high-centered and had to drag enough snow out
from under the car to get the wheels back on the ground!

I had one too, Monza with the 4 speed. Great car in snow. I had 7.00 x 13
tires and it just went anyplace. Yes, I had a toolbox in the trunk too.

Drove a Pontiac LeMans during college. It was absolutely the worst car
on snow or ice you could find. I was one of those people that other cars
had to drive around because anything over 35 on any amount of snow caused
fishtailing. OTOH, when the roads were dry, that 350 V8 was awesome!




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"Mark & Juanita" wrote in message
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On Wed, 21 Sep 2005 23:52:57 GMT, "Edwin Pawlowski" wrote:


"Norman D. Crow" wrote in message

were old ones that had been replaced). Carried a toolbox or a couple
concrete blocks in the front end of my '62 Corvair just to help keep the
front end glued down so I could steer it in the winter. Only time I ever
got it stuck was showing off, tried driving over/through a ridge of
plowed
snow in a parking lot, got high-centered and had to drag enough snow out
from under the car to get the wheels back on the ground!

I had one too, Monza with the 4 speed. Great car in snow. I had 7.00 x
13
tires and it just went anyplace. Yes, I had a toolbox in the trunk too.

Drove a Pontiac LeMans during college. It was absolutely the worst car
on snow or ice you could find. I was one of those people that other cars
had to drive around because anything over 35 on any amount of snow caused
fishtailing. OTOH, when the roads were dry, that 350 V8 was awesome!


Up until the Corvair, I think the best snow car I ever drove was my Mother's
'53 Chev 6 w/Powerslide tranny. Only 2 gears, but if it was really slick,
step on it enough to pick wheel speed up so it would shift into high, then
it would walk right along. Just enough torque to keep going, not enough to
break the wheels loose. We won't talk about it's wimpy dry road performance.

--
Nahmie
The greatest headaches are those we cause ourselves.

You mean like the NJ troopers I used to see darn near dismantling a
suspected drug running car on I80?

I was thinking more along the lines of organic material... Living or not.
....A joke of course.
--


Regards,
Joe Agro, Jr.
(800) 871-5022
(908) 542-0244
Automatic / Pneumatic Drills: http://www.AutoDrill.com
Multiple Spindle Drills: http://www.Multi-Drill.com

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