I have tried to use Rust-Oleum for smaller projects, instead of dragging out
the compressor, gun, mixing, etc. With the current project (metal) using
Rust-Oleum I think it might be the last.

I just cannot understand why it takes so long to dry. I am following all
the proper procedures, not too thick, proper cleaning, proper spray
application, under 40% humidity and over 70 degrees, etc...etc. In my
testing the 24 hours should be dry to touch and should only be handled 48
hours after application. I think it takes at least a week before it is
fully cured. Any wetsanding should be done after 48 hours.

PLUS the added time, greatly increases the finish, by allowing dust to
settle onto the finish. It also is just a waste of time.

With that said, what are the alternatives? Is longer dry time of Rust-Oleum
really a benefit? Can the spray paints that dry in a few minutes really
compare? I would think these days that to be true. Car paint is dry in
minutes so why am I waiting on Rust-Oleum to dry?

Comments appreciated.

"Chris" wrote in message
...
I have tried to use Rust-Oleum for smaller projects, instead of dragging
out the compressor, gun, mixing, etc. With the current project (metal)
using Rust-Oleum I think it might be the last.

I just cannot understand why it takes so long to dry. I am following all
the proper procedures, not too thick, proper cleaning, proper spray
application, under 40% humidity and over 70 degrees, etc...etc. In my
testing the 24 hours should be dry to touch and should only be handled 48
hours after application. I think it takes at least a week before it is
fully cured. Any wetsanding should be done after 48 hours.

PLUS the added time, greatly increases the finish, by allowing dust to
settle onto the finish. It also is just a waste of time.

Just in case, thin coats means not thick enough to cover the surface. You
want to build the finish in 4 or 5 coats minimum.
Otherwise, I have not had a problem with Rust-Oleum spray products. Are
you shaking the can up sufficiently?

Hi Chris,

A few weeks ago, we stripped some metal lawn chairs
that date back at least to the 60's - they sat on the
porch on the house were I grew up.

Anyway, they must have had 10 coats of glopped
on paint (some of which, I probably am responsible
for). Used that "peel-away" stripper - kind of messy
but did the job.

After sanding, pressure washing, drying and sanding,
we primed with Rust-Oleum primer and then within
about 20 minutes, sprayed several light coats of
Rust-Oleum finish about 30 min apart. These were pretty
much tack-free after the 30 minutes. After 48 hours, I
wiped them down with 0000 steel wool and sprayed a
few more light coats.

Most of this was done in our garage when the humidity
was very high and uncomfortable. After another 48
hours, they hardened up nicely and were sittable.

Just my experience.

Lou

In article , Chris
wrote:

I have tried to use Rust-Oleum for smaller projects, instead of dragging out
the compressor, gun, mixing, etc. With the current project (metal) using
Rust-Oleum I think it might be the last.

I just cannot understand why it takes so long to dry. I am following all
the proper procedures, not too thick, proper cleaning, proper spray
application, under 40% humidity and over 70 degrees, etc...etc. In my
testing the 24 hours should be dry to touch and should only be handled 48
hours after application. I think it takes at least a week before it is
fully cured. Any wetsanding should be done after 48 hours.

PLUS the added time, greatly increases the finish, by allowing dust to
settle onto the finish. It also is just a waste of time.

With that said, what are the alternatives? Is longer dry time of Rust-Oleum
really a benefit? Can the spray paints that dry in a few minutes really
compare? I would think these days that to be true. Car paint is dry in
minutes so why am I waiting on Rust-Oleum to dry?

Comments appreciated.

Chris wrote:
I have tried to use Rust-Oleum for smaller projects, instead of dragging out
the compressor, gun, mixing, etc. With the current project (metal) using
Rust-Oleum I think it might be the last.

I just cannot understand why it takes so long to dry. I am following all
the proper procedures, not too thick, proper cleaning, proper spray
application, under 40% humidity and over 70 degrees, etc...etc. In my
testing the 24 hours should be dry to touch and should only be handled 48
hours after application. I think it takes at least a week before it is
fully cured. Any wetsanding should be done after 48 hours.

PLUS the added time, greatly increases the finish, by allowing dust to
settle onto the finish. It also is just a waste of time.

With that said, what are the alternatives? Is longer dry time of Rust-Oleum
really a benefit? Can the spray paints that dry in a few minutes really
compare? I would think these days that to be true. Car paint is dry in
minutes so why am I waiting on Rust-Oleum to dry?

Comments appreciated.



Don't know why you have to wait so long. I just
checked 3 cans of Rustoleum oil enamel (white,
aluminum, and rust red primer) and they said dry
to touch in 2-4 hours handle in 5-9 hours and
completely dry to recoat in 24 hours. In my
experience the white actually was dry to the touch
in less than 2 hours, the primer dried to the
touch in 1/2 hour.

What the hell, hasn't anyone heard of dryers? If
you are having trouble drying an oil product, put
some dryer in it. Gees, go out right now and buy
some dryer. DO IT. Lowes has it the last time I
checked, but any paint store should have it.

"George E. Cawthon" wrote in message
...
Chris wrote:
I have tried to use Rust-Oleum for smaller projects, instead of dragging
out
the compressor, gun, mixing, etc. With the current project (metal)
using
Rust-Oleum I think it might be the last.

I just cannot understand why it takes so long to dry. I am following
all
the proper procedures, not too thick, proper cleaning, proper spray
application, under 40% humidity and over 70 degrees, etc...etc. In my
testing the 24 hours should be dry to touch and should only be handled
48
hours after application. I think it takes at least a week before it is
fully cured. Any wetsanding should be done after 48 hours.

PLUS the added time, greatly increases the finish, by allowing dust to
settle onto the finish. It also is just a waste of time.

With that said, what are the alternatives? Is longer dry time of
Rust-Oleum
really a benefit? Can the spray paints that dry in a few minutes really
compare? I would think these days that to be true. Car paint is dry in
minutes so why am I waiting on Rust-Oleum to dry?

Comments appreciated.



Don't know why you have to wait so long. I just
checked 3 cans of Rustoleum oil enamel (white,
aluminum, and rust red primer) and they said dry
to touch in 2-4 hours handle in 5-9 hours and
completely dry to recoat in 24 hours. In my
experience the white actually was dry to the touch
in less than 2 hours, the primer dried to the
touch in 1/2 hour.

What the hell, hasn't anyone heard of dryers? If
you are having trouble drying an oil product, put
some dryer in it. Gees, go out right now and buy
some dryer. DO IT. Lowes has it the last time I
checked, but any paint store should have it.

Kinda of hard to add a dryer to spray paint.

I should mention that I am using the Appliance Epoxy line of paint. When I
get it to work, it does have a real nice finish to it. After about 4 days
it is real hard.

Just looked at the drying time on the label, same as the normal paints that
was listed above. I just noticed that the new cans (different batch), that
I used today are yielding better results.

Yep shaking the can. I normally count to 60 seconds. Thanks to me
forgetting my place or getting distracted that normally turns into a real
120 seconds.

Even with the better results that I am getting now, is the extra drying time
really an advantage? What about the 12 to 15 minute dry time paints.
Anyone have anything to compare to Rust-Oleum?

Chris

Chris wrote:

"George E. Cawthon" wrote in message
...
Chris wrote:
I have tried to use Rust-Oleum for smaller projects, instead of dragging
out
the compressor, gun, mixing, etc. With the current project (metal)
using
Rust-Oleum I think it might be the last.

I just cannot understand why it takes so long to dry. I am following
all
the proper procedures, not too thick, proper cleaning, proper spray
application, under 40% humidity and over 70 degrees, etc...etc. In my
testing the 24 hours should be dry to touch and should only be handled
48
hours after application. I think it takes at least a week before it is
fully cured. Any wetsanding should be done after 48 hours.

PLUS the added time, greatly increases the finish, by allowing dust to
settle onto the finish. It also is just a waste of time.

With that said, what are the alternatives? Is longer dry time of
Rust-Oleum
really a benefit? Can the spray paints that dry in a few minutes really
compare? I would think these days that to be true. Car paint is dry in
minutes so why am I waiting on Rust-Oleum to dry?

Comments appreciated.



Don't know why you have to wait so long. I just
checked 3 cans of Rustoleum oil enamel (white,
aluminum, and rust red primer) and they said dry
to touch in 2-4 hours handle in 5-9 hours and
completely dry to recoat in 24 hours. In my
experience the white actually was dry to the touch
in less than 2 hours, the primer dried to the
touch in 1/2 hour.

What the hell, hasn't anyone heard of dryers? If
you are having trouble drying an oil product, put
some dryer in it. Gees, go out right now and buy
some dryer. DO IT. Lowes has it the last time I
checked, but any paint store should have it.

Kinda of hard to add a dryer to spray paint.

I should mention that I am using the Appliance Epoxy line of paint. When I
get it to work, it does have a real nice finish to it. After about 4 days
it is real hard.

Just looked at the drying time on the label, same as the normal paints that
was listed above. I just noticed that the new cans (different batch), that
I used today are yielding better results.

Yep shaking the can. I normally count to 60 seconds. Thanks to me
forgetting my place or getting distracted that normally turns into a real
120 seconds.

Even with the better results that I am getting now, is the extra drying time
really an advantage? What about the 12 to 15 minute dry time paints.
Anyone have anything to compare to Rust-Oleum?

Can't compare w/ that specific line but never had any problem w/ the
standard RustOleum products. I can only think you're spraying much too
thick an individual coat.

Chris wrote:
"George E. Cawthon" wrote in message
...

Chris wrote:

I have tried to use Rust-Oleum for smaller projects, instead of dragging

out

the compressor, gun, mixing, etc. With the current project (metal)

using

Rust-Oleum I think it might be the last.

I just cannot understand why it takes so long to dry. I am following

all

the proper procedures, not too thick, proper cleaning, proper spray
application, under 40% humidity and over 70 degrees, etc...etc. In my
testing the 24 hours should be dry to touch and should only be handled

48

hours after application. I think it takes at least a week before it is
fully cured. Any wetsanding should be done after 48 hours.

PLUS the added time, greatly increases the finish, by allowing dust to
settle onto the finish. It also is just a waste of time.

With that said, what are the alternatives? Is longer dry time of

Rust-Oleum

really a benefit? Can the spray paints that dry in a few minutes really
compare? I would think these days that to be true. Car paint is dry in
minutes so why am I waiting on Rust-Oleum to dry?

Comments appreciated.




Don't know why you have to wait so long. I just
checked 3 cans of Rustoleum oil enamel (white,
aluminum, and rust red primer) and they said dry
to touch in 2-4 hours handle in 5-9 hours and
completely dry to recoat in 24 hours. In my
experience the white actually was dry to the touch
in less than 2 hours, the primer dried to the
touch in 1/2 hour.

What the hell, hasn't anyone heard of dryers? If
you are having trouble drying an oil product, put
some dryer in it. Gees, go out right now and buy
some dryer. DO IT. Lowes has it the last time I
checked, but any paint store should have it.


Kinda of hard to add a dryer to spray paint.

I should mention that I am using the Appliance Epoxy line of paint. When I
get it to work, it does have a real nice finish to it. After about 4 days
it is real hard.

Just looked at the drying time on the label, same as the normal paints that
was listed above. I just noticed that the new cans (different batch), that
I used today are yielding better results.

Yep shaking the can. I normally count to 60 seconds. Thanks to me
forgetting my place or getting distracted that normally turns into a real
120 seconds.

Even with the better results that I am getting now, is the extra drying time
really an advantage? What about the 12 to 15 minute dry time paints.
Anyone have anything to compare to Rust-Oleum?

Chris



Sorry, just had my head elsewhere. Some how I
didn't see that you were using spray cans.

As for fast dry, Krylon has always produced a good
job for me. But good hiding usually takes several
thin coats. Something else that you may want to
try is a paint store that mixes and matches car
paints and puts them into aerosol cans. They can
make enamel which dries slower or lacquer (fast
dry). Lacquer is also harder (think two tone cars
with hard tops in the 60's) but it also chips
easier than enamel.

"George E. Cawthon" wrote in message

Sorry, just had my head elsewhere. Some how I didn't see that you were
using spray cans.


Me too. That first paragraph did not register very well in the brain.

"Edwin Pawlowski" wrote in message
. ..

"George E. Cawthon" wrote in message

Sorry, just had my head elsewhere. Some how I didn't see that you were
using spray cans.


Me too. That first paragraph did not register very well in the brain.
Sorry folks if I caused any confusion. No harm intended.

--
Chris

If you can read this, thank a teacher. If it is in English, thank a
soldier. If it is in ebonics, thank your Congressman.

In article , Chris wrote:

"George E. Cawthon" wrote in message
...
Chris wrote:
I have tried to use Rust-Oleum for smaller projects, instead of dragging
out
the compressor, gun, mixing, etc. With the current project (metal)
using
Rust-Oleum I think it might be the last.

I just cannot understand why it takes so long to dry. I am following
all
the proper procedures, not too thick, proper cleaning, proper spray
application, under 40% humidity and over 70 degrees, etc...etc. In my
testing the 24 hours should be dry to touch and should only be handled
48
hours after application. I think it takes at least a week before it is
fully cured. Any wetsanding should be done after 48 hours.

PLUS the added time, greatly increases the finish, by allowing dust to
settle onto the finish. It also is just a waste of time.

With that said, what are the alternatives? Is longer dry time of
Rust-Oleum
really a benefit? Can the spray paints that dry in a few minutes really
compare? I would think these days that to be true. Car paint is dry in
minutes so why am I waiting on Rust-Oleum to dry?

Comments appreciated.



Don't know why you have to wait so long. I just
checked 3 cans of Rustoleum oil enamel (white,
aluminum, and rust red primer) and they said dry
to touch in 2-4 hours handle in 5-9 hours and
completely dry to recoat in 24 hours. In my
experience the white actually was dry to the touch
in less than 2 hours, the primer dried to the
touch in 1/2 hour.

What the hell, hasn't anyone heard of dryers? If
you are having trouble drying an oil product, put
some dryer in it. Gees, go out right now and buy
some dryer. DO IT. Lowes has it the last time I
checked, but any paint store should have it.

Kinda of hard to add a dryer to spray paint.

I should mention that I am using the Appliance Epoxy line of paint.

That makes a *big* difference.

When I
get it to work, it does have a real nice finish to it. After about 4 days
it is real hard.


Just looked at the drying time on the label, same as the normal paints that
was listed above. I just noticed that the new cans (different batch), that
I used today are yielding better results.

Yep shaking the can. I normally count to 60 seconds. Thanks to me
forgetting my place or getting distracted that normally turns into a real
120 seconds.

"more is better" as far as shaking time goes. start timing _after_ the
ball is moving _freely_.

Even with the better results that I am getting now, is the extra drying time
really an advantage? What about the 12 to 15 minute dry time paints.

There _is_ a fairly direct correlation between longer drying times and the
hardness/ durability of the finished surface. Within the same type of
paint/finish, that is.

"Appliance Epoxy" does tend to "feel" tacky for a while -after- it is
dry to the point of being safely handled.

Close reading of the spray can indicates it takes a _week_ for the finish
to fully cure. See the notes about re-coating.

George E. Cawthon wrote:

Chris wrote:

I have tried to use Rust-Oleum for smaller projects, instead of
dragging out the compressor, gun, mixing, etc. With the current
project (metal) using Rust-Oleum I think it might be the last.

I just cannot understand why it takes so long to dry. I am following
all the proper procedures, not too thick, proper cleaning, proper
spray application, under 40% humidity and over 70 degrees, etc...etc.
In my testing the 24 hours should be dry to touch and should only be
handled 48 hours after application. I think it takes at least a week
before it is fully cured. Any wetsanding should be done after 48 hours.

PLUS the added time, greatly increases the finish, by allowing dust to
settle onto the finish. It also is just a waste of time.

With that said, what are the alternatives? Is longer dry time of
Rust-Oleum really a benefit? Can the spray paints that dry in a few
minutes really compare? I would think these days that to be true.
Car paint is dry in minutes so why am I waiting on Rust-Oleum to dry?

Comments appreciated.



Don't know why you have to wait so long. I just checked 3 cans of
Rustoleum oil enamel (white, aluminum, and rust red primer) and they
said dry to touch in 2-4 hours handle in 5-9 hours and completely dry to
recoat in 24 hours. In my experience the white actually was dry to the
touch in less than 2 hours, the primer dried to the touch in 1/2 hour.

What the hell, hasn't anyone heard of dryers? If you are having trouble
drying an oil product, put some dryer in it. Gees, go out right now and
buy some dryer. DO IT. Lowes has it the last time I checked, but any
paint store should have it.
George, is there a hidden port on a spray can for adding driers?

dave

"David" wrote in message
George, is there a hidden port on a spray can for adding driers?

dave

The OP was unclear (to me anyway) as to whether he was using a spay can or
mixing the paint in his own sprayer. In that case, additives are easily
added. Rustoleum can be bought in gallons and quarts also.

Edwin Pawlowski wrote:

"David" wrote in message

George, is there a hidden port on a spray can for adding driers?

dave


The OP was unclear (to me anyway) as to whether he was using a spay can or
mixing the paint in his own sprayer. In that case, additives are easily
added. Rustoleum can be bought in gallons and quarts also.


It's very clear that that OP was discussing spray cans. Re-read his
post and you'll see.

dave

Chris (in ) said:

| I have tried to use Rust-Oleum for smaller projects, instead of
| dragging out the compressor, gun, mixing, etc. With the current
| project (metal) using Rust-Oleum I think it might be the last.
|
| I just cannot understand why it takes so long to dry. I am
| following all the proper procedures, not too thick, proper
| cleaning, proper spray application, under 40% humidity and over 70
| degrees, etc...etc. In my testing the 24 hours should be dry to
| touch and should only be handled 48 hours after application. I
| think it takes at least a week before it is fully cured. Any
| wetsanding should be done after 48 hours.
|
| PLUS the added time, greatly increases the finish, by allowing dust
| to settle onto the finish. It also is just a waste of time.
|
| With that said, what are the alternatives? Is longer dry time of
| Rust-Oleum really a benefit? Can the spray paints that dry in a
| few minutes really compare? I would think these days that to be
| true. Car paint is dry in minutes so why am I waiting on
| Rust-Oleum to dry?
|
| Comments appreciated.

I've done a bit of experimenting with Rust-Oleum and discovered that
there is considerable variation from product to product (by which I
mean the numeric product code on the can) and even between aerosol and
non-aerosol varieties of the same product.

I've used one of their aerosol flat black products in solar panel
production with good success - and have had terrible results with all
of the non-aerosol version and all of their other flat black products
used. It looks a lot like the company hasn't managed to set up any
internal product standards. The stuff I've been using is generally dry
to the touch in ten minutes or so.

The guys in the aircraft shop next door (who use primarily high-gloss
paints) seem to stick with the Krylon product line and say that it
produces more consistant results - although they sometimes experience
problems with the current coat disolving pinholes in an underlying
coat.

I suppose you just need to do a little testing on scrap or hidden area
to determine suitability of each paint you try.

--
Morris Dovey
DeSoto Solar
DeSoto, Iowa USA
http://www.iedu.com/DeSoto/solar.html

Update.

Well it seems that the new batch of two spray cans seems to be acting as
normal. Might of been a bad batch??? Not sure, but it seems to be
behaving.

With this bad batch in mind. What is the advantage of the slow dry time as
compared to the competions 12 minute dry time?

Thanks,
Chris

Chris (in ) said:

| Well it seems that the new batch of two spray cans seems to be
| acting as normal. Might of been a bad batch??? Not sure, but it
| seems to be behaving.
|
| With this bad batch in mind. What is the advantage of the slow dry
| time as compared to the competions 12 minute dry time?

I dunno. My wild guess is that the longer-drying paint may provide
more leveling of the painted surface (smoother finish).

--
Morris Dovey
DeSoto Solar
DeSoto, Iowa USA
http://www.iedu.com/DeSoto/solar.html

On Mon, 05 Sep 2005 00:12:28 -0400, Chris wrote:

Update.

Well it seems that the new batch of two spray cans seems to be acting as
normal. Might of been a bad batch??? Not sure, but it seems to be
behaving.

With this bad batch in mind. What is the advantage of the slow dry time as
compared to the competions 12 minute dry time?

Thanks,
Chris

My information, from generally unreliable sources, is that Rustoleum uses
fish oil which intentionally dries very slowly. Once the oils in a paint
dry up, the rust protection barrier is gone.

That said, what sort of wood are you concerend about protecting from rust?

If you're not concerned about rust, RUSToleum might be the wrong
product Specifically, metal does not move as much as wood (in response
to moisture ... heat moves them both somewhat) and does not need as
flexible of a coating as wood.

See Bob Flexners book about finishing. I just got it last week and found
LOTS of new (to me) information about finishes.

Bill

"W Canaday" wrote in message
news
On Mon, 05 Sep 2005 00:12:28 -0400, Chris wrote:

Update.

Well it seems that the new batch of two spray cans seems to be acting as
normal. Might of been a bad batch??? Not sure, but it seems to be
behaving.

With this bad batch in mind. What is the advantage of the slow dry time
as
compared to the competions 12 minute dry time?

Thanks,
Chris

My information, from generally unreliable sources, is that Rustoleum uses
fish oil which intentionally dries very slowly. Once the oils in a paint
dry up, the rust protection barrier is gone.

That said, what sort of wood are you concerend about protecting from rust?

If you're not concerned about rust, RUSToleum might be the wrong
product Specifically, metal does not move as much as wood (in response
to moisture ... heat moves them both somewhat) and does not need as
flexible of a coating as wood.

See Bob Flexners book about finishing. I just got it last week and found
LOTS of new (to me) information about finishes.



Bill,
Actually it is a big huge Bridgeport mill that I am restoring. Even then
rust is not really a concern, nor was my reasoning for the selection of
Rust-Oleum. I picked it because of the finish and performance.

I am thinking about switching to the Krylon next time around. I did grab
some and used it on a test piece. Primer than the finish coat. Very hard,
very fast. Gets my vote next time around. I am stuck using the Rust-Oleum
on the mill, as I am "piece painting" it and cannot change mid stream.

The drying time, for me at least, is allowing dust and containments to
settle onto the finish while it is drying. Currently I am wet sanding than
applying what I hope to be the final coat before I leave the shop, in an
attempt to keep the dust down.

I have been using a very lite coat as possible, and have feel victim a coupe
of times of trying to spray on thicker coats in an attempt to overcome the
drying time.

Either way, when I do get a dust free coat on, it is a real nice finish.
Just wish the process would go quicker.

Plus I think the Rust-Oluem comes out a little too fast or thick. Works
fine on larger areas, but getting into tight spots, it does cause a problem.
The Krylon, does seem to come out at a more reasonable rate, at least IMHO.

--
Chris

If you can read this, thank a teacher. If it is in English, thank a
soldier. If it is in ebonics, thank your Congressman.

On Mon, 5 Sep 2005 11:15:58 -0400, "Chris" wrote:

Plus I think the Rust-Oluem comes out a little too fast or thick. Works
fine on larger areas, but getting into tight spots, it does cause a problem.
The Krylon, does seem to come out at a more reasonable rate

A totally different tangent here, Rust-Oleum plant in Evanston (which
now houses a Home Depot) site has had a few problems. HD built there
and had to then shut a part of the store to drill and drive pilings to
keep it from sinking. Recently in the parking lot area a Steak and
Shake was being built a friend drove by on a way to see a client. She
had grown up out west and has fond memories the restaurant. On here
way home from the meeting she saw the place which had been very near
completion fallen over like a house of cards.

The moral of this little story......
there really is not one.

Mark

On Mon, 05 Sep 2005 11:15:58 -0400, Chris wrote:


Bill,
Actually it is a big huge Bridgeport mill that I am restoring. Even then
rust is not really a concern, nor was my reasoning for the selection of
Rust-Oleum. I picked it because of the finish and performance.


In a previous life I worked for a machine shop that filled in the slack
time between orders by fixing up derelict equipment.

IIRC, we used a two-part epoxy paint.

You're right ... rust protection isn't part of the equation.

Bill