http://www.voidgamers.com/channel/Hi...320.r.288.html

You has to scroll down for the pictures.
Interesting, but too weird for me. On the other hand, I don't
think many people would think something like that would have a drawer.



JOAT
Blessed are the flexible; for they shall never be bent out of shape.
- Unknown

"J T" wrote in message
http://www.voidgamers.com/channel/Hi...320.r.288.html

You has to scroll down for the pictures.
Interesting, but too weird for me. On the other hand, I don't
think many people would think something like that would have a drawer.

Certainly makes good camouflage from a would be thief, but not something I'd
want to have in a home that has kids in it. First instinct for them would be
to start playing with it.

J T wrote:
http://www.voidgamers.com/channel/Hi...320.r.288.html

You has to scroll down for the pictures.
Interesting, but too weird for me. On the other hand, I don't
think many people would think something like that would have a drawer.



JOAT
Blessed are the flexible; for they shall never be bent out of shape.
- Unknown

Not to be pedantic but I'd have thought that the flexible would
actually be MORE likely to be bent out of shape.

FoggyTown

Sat, Jul 23, 2005, 3:45am (Upscale) spaketh out:
Certainly makes good camouflage from a would be thief, but not something
I'd want to have in a home that has kids in it. First instinct for them
would be to start playing with it.

Ah, but that's where the "inspiration" comes in. Put a gun in
something you wouldn't actually mind having in your home. LOL However,
something like this would probably go over big with kids, complete with
secret drawer.

Guns should, of course, be out of access for children, mentally
incompotent people (politicians, etc.). However, people tend to forget
that kids are small people - and very clever at times. Best way to keep
kids from misusing firearms is to teach them safe gunhandling, from an
early age - wish we had more politicians intelligent enough to realize
that. But still, don't forget to keep them out of easy access.



JOAT
Blessed are the flexible; for they shall never be bent out of shape.
- Unknown

Sun, Jul 24, 2005, 1:11am (EDT-3) (foggytown) did say:
Not to be pedantic but I'd have thought that the flexible would actually
be MORE likely to be bent out of shape.

Nah, we adapt. It's when you're inflexible, you stay bent - or
break.



JOAT
Blessed are the flexible; for they shall never be bent out of shape.
- Unknown

"J T" wrote in message
that kids are small people - and very clever at times. Best way to keep
kids from misusing firearms is to teach them safe gunhandling, from an
early age - wish we had more politicians intelligent enough to realize
that. But still, don't forget to keep them out of easy access.

Not completely sure I agree with the early teaching of safe gun handling. By
all means, if there's a gun on the premises, show it to them, explain why
you have it and it's dangers, but admonish them against ever picking up a
gun or showing it to their friends if they find one. Later in life maybe,
early teen years, start teaching them proper firearm use with a few trips to
a gun range or whatever.

I guess it's the environment we live in. Living in Canada, guns are more
strickly controlled and most kids don't get close to guns. Doesn't mean that
it's never happened or that accidents haven't happened, but they're not
commonplace at all. That is except for the various teenage gang thugs that
use guns to enhance their image. I'm always wonder how they're getting their
guns. Probably buying them from Hells Angels or something like that.

Upscale wrote:

"J T" wrote in message

that kids are small people - and very clever at times. Best way to keep
kids from misusing firearms is to teach them safe gunhandling, from an
early age - wish we had more politicians intelligent enough to realize
that. But still, don't forget to keep them out of easy access.

Not completely sure I agree with the early teaching of safe gun handling. By
all means, if there's a gun on the premises, show it to them, explain why
you have it and it's dangers, but admonish them against ever picking up a
gun or showing it to their friends if they find one. Later in life maybe,
early teen years, start teaching them proper firearm use with a few trips to
a gun range or whatever.

Eddie Eagle, it works, just telling them doesn't.

I guess it's the environment we live in. Living in Canada, guns are more
strickly controlled and most kids don't get close to guns. Doesn't mean that
it's never happened or that accidents haven't happened, but they're not
commonplace at all. That is except for the various teenage gang thugs that
use guns to enhance their image. I'm always wonder how they're getting their
guns.

Same as here, from those who consider laws nothing more than a slight
inconvience to be ignored when profit comes first. Here, in England,
we're totally banned from owning any "small firearm", thats barrel
length 300mm minimun, overall length 600mm minimum, that covers all
"easily concealable" firearms i.e. handguns. Doesn't stop the criminals
one bit with regular shootings with handguns and (long banned) SMGs in
major cities....
One effect of such bans is to raise the status of such guns to very
highly desireable, rare, item with bad juju that makes bad things (for
others) happen, indeed our leader one Phony BLiar has turned this in to
a real ban'd-it ****ry, not just firearms, now having banned one type of
air-gun they're trying to ban some other air-guns, non-firing replicas
and cap-guns (toys), making guns even more desireable for all the wrong
reasons.
Both my sons know what a gun looks like and not to touch them, but other
kids without a former target shooter in the family have no-one to teach
them the dangers, and criminals discard loaded weapons all too often
(our police also loose them, even though only specialist officers
{called kevlar cowboys by some other officers} may have access and use
of them).

"Upscale" wrote in message
...
Not completely sure I agree with the early teaching of safe gun handling.

Well. I got my first gun at the age of 6 years. It was a 410 shot gun and I
oiled it almost every day. It was always in my room and I had the shells.

However, there were some rules.
Assume it is always loaded and the job it would do on a watermelon was
the same job it would do on a human.
Never point it at anyone (reference first rule).
Never display it to anyone (having one didn't make you better and didn't
entitle you to any points).
If you ever violate any of the rules, the gun will be confiscated and
your ass will be kicked unmercifully (you can bet your ass I believed that
if you knew my old man).

I have owned multiple guns for 50 years and have never brandished one in
anger (don't claim that I haven't been tempted, but have not had to as a
matter of self preservation). The point is that I was taught that I was
responsible for my actions. Not you, not the government and not anyone
else. Just me.

Of course, YMMV.

BTW, I'm from middle Georgia originally, so the usual Texas assumptions do
not apply.

--
Regards,
Mike

Flower Mound, Texas

Sun, Jul 24, 2005, 2:32pm (Upscale)
Not completely sure I agree with the early teaching of safe gun
handling. By all means, if there's a gun on the premises, show it to
them snip

I go along with the other guys. Never too early to start. Teach
them to never point a gun at anyone, or anywhere it could be dangerous
for a bullet to traven in, if it were to go off by accident. Of course,
teach them not to pick up and handle a gun they find. But, also teach
them how to poperly handle, and clear, a weapon, and to treat any, and
all, weapons as if they are loaded, whether they know they are or not.
AND, possibly most important, if they are at a friend's house, and the
friend brings out a gun, or starts to handle one they found, to leave,
immediately; because chances are their friend has never been told how to
properly treat a gun. I've read too many cases of a kid accesing a gun
in the home (and I'm not neccesarily talking about one in easy acces, or
even loaded), and killing a friend, because they "didn't know it was
loaded". If they'd been taught from an early age to treat guns with
respect, they'd have never touched the weapon in the first place, and
second, would have at least kown to treat it as if it was loaded.

Around here, some years back, a couple of 18 year olds were going
fishing. One had his father's .38 revolver. He was at his friend's
house, before they went. The friend wanted to see it. So, the one
unloaded the revolver and handed it over. He looked it over, and handed
it back. The revolver was then reloaded, and reholstered. The second
friend's girlfriend came in, and to "impress her", or for some other
stupid reason, he grabbed the revolver out of the holster, put it to his
head, and pulled the trigger. Died from stupidity. He hadn't seen the
revolver being reloaded, and didn't realize it had been. If he'd been
taught from an early age, he should have treated it as if it was loaded,
regardless if he'd seen it unloaded, or not. I even recheck weapons I
have personally just unloaded, and certainly recheck any weapon someone
else unloaded and hands to me.

Many years back I handed a new revolver, unloaded of course, to a
neighbor to look at. The revolver was immediately pointed at the
ceiling, with a loud "yahoo", and the trigger pulled several times.
Needless to say, I snatched the revolver back, and fairly politely asked
what they thought they were doing.



JOAT
Blessed are the flexible; for they shall never be bent out of shape.
- Unknown