Any pros or cons guys?

I'm thinking of trying one since it is on sale for $90 and I would not
need one that often.

TIA

RonT

Which one? They sell more than one version.

"Ron Truitt" wrote in message
...
Any pros or cons guys?

I'm thinking of trying one since it is on sale for $90 and I would not
need one that often.

TIA

RonT

The one I ordered was 21 or 22 degree, I forget which. I'll check it
out and see if the local air nailer store has nails for it.

The air pressure sounds like an issue though. I've got a little Grizzly
that has trouble keeping up with a finish nailer due to the factory
lower limit being set to low before it comes on. I've spoken to Grizzly
but it does not adjust. Sounds like I may need to rent or buy a better
compressor.

I have rented before successfully but spent quite a bit on one nailgun,
compressor, and nails. I could have bought the gun with part of that
and maybe a basic compressor.

Sure makes the occasional framing job go much faster though.

RonT

I just bought the HF 34 degree framing nailer (ITEM 91054-3VGA) to frame
in three rooms in my basement. Because of the uneven floor, I'm having to
measure and cut each stud individually and toenail them in. With the air
pressure up at the listed maximum for the tool, I still have to go around
and finish driving the nails in. I'm using 16d 33 degree nails. Since
this is the only framing nailer I've ever owned, I'm afraid I can't say
whether this is a common issue.

Overall it was worth the money. I don't anticipate using it much after
this project, but it has saved a ton of time, and it helped me frame
these rooms relatively quickly, and with minimal assistance. I'd rather
not have to go back and bang the nails flush though. If I had it to do
over again, I would buy the same tool.

I also bought the $20 brad nailer, and am looking forward to trying it
out on a crown moulding project this weekend.

J Brown

(Ron Truitt) wrote in news:3357-428968DE-436@storefull-
3311.bay.webtv.net:

Any pros or cons guys?

I'm thinking of trying one since it is on sale for $90 and I would not
need one that often.

TIA

RonT

"J Brown" wrote in message
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pressure up at the listed maximum for the tool, I still have to go around
and finish driving the nails in. I'm using 16d 33 degree nails. Since
this is the only framing nailer I've ever owned, I'm afraid I can't say
whether this is a common issue.


Not with the Porter Cable FR350

J Brown wrote:

I just bought the HF 34 degree framing nailer (ITEM 91054-3VGA) ... With the air
pressure up at the listed maximum for the tool, I still have to go around
and finish driving the nails in. ...

Does this nailer come w/ a plate alignment nose piece, perchance? The
last Bostitch I bought came w/ it on instead of the flush nose piece.
Swapping them made the difference (hired hand opened it and used it
before I saw it and didn't recognize the problem--complained it was a
pos until I recognized the problem).

Duane Bozarth wrote in
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J Brown wrote:

I just bought the HF 34 degree framing nailer (ITEM 91054-3VGA) ...
With the air pressure up at the listed maximum for the tool, I still
have to go around and finish driving the nails in. ...

Does this nailer come w/ a plate alignment nose piece, perchance? The
last Bostitch I bought came w/ it on instead of the flush nose piece.
Swapping them made the difference (hired hand opened it and used it
before I saw it and didn't recognize the problem--complained it was a
pos until I recognized the problem).

Being a complete novice I may not understand your question, but the model I
have has no interchangeable parts.

J Brown wrote:

Duane Bozarth wrote in
:

J Brown wrote:

I just bought the HF 34 degree framing nailer (ITEM 91054-3VGA) ...
With the air pressure up at the listed maximum for the tool, I still
have to go around and finish driving the nails in. ...

Does this nailer come w/ a plate alignment nose piece, perchance? The
last Bostitch I bought came w/ it on instead of the flush nose piece.
Swapping them made the difference (hired hand opened it and used it
before I saw it and didn't recognize the problem--complained it was a
pos until I recognized the problem).

Being a complete novice I may not understand your question, but the model I
have has no interchangeable parts.

Some framing guns come w/ a nose piece w/ a barb to align the gun for
nailing framing support brackets. These then don't set the nail flush
to the surface of wood if not used w/ a bracket. I was a little
surprised to find the Bostitch shipped w/ that nosepiece rather than the
one for flat lumber out of the box.

If there are no interchangeable parts, then it doesn't have the
option...

Duane Bozarth wrote in
:


J Brown wrote:

Duane Bozarth wrote in
:

J Brown wrote:

I just bought the HF 34 degree framing nailer (ITEM 91054-3VGA)
... With the air pressure up at the listed maximum for the tool, I
still have to go around and finish driving the nails in. ...

Does this nailer come w/ a plate alignment nose piece, perchance?
The last Bostitch I bought came w/ it on instead of the flush nose
piece. Swapping them made the difference (hired hand opened it and
used it before I saw it and didn't recognize the
problem--complained it was a pos until I recognized the problem).

Being a complete novice I may not understand your question, but the
model I have has no interchangeable parts.

Some framing guns come w/ a nose piece w/ a barb to align the gun for
nailing framing support brackets. These then don't set the nail flush
to the surface of wood if not used w/ a bracket. I was a little
surprised to find the Bostitch shipped w/ that nosepiece rather than
the one for flat lumber out of the box.

If there are no interchangeable parts, then it doesn't have the
option...


Thanks for the information; I wish mine had something like that, but I
guess you get what you pay for ... and for the time it saved me, it was
certainly worth the price ... even if I do have to go back and drive some
nails home.

On Tue, 17 May 2005 06:28:43 -0500, J Brown
wrote:

Lack of penetration does happen occasionally, perhaps a knot or some
obstruction. I do not buy framing nails longer than 3" (10d) because a
pair of 2x lumber is only 3" thickness and I prefer not to have sharp
nail points protruding when nailing face-to-face. Even toenailing
works with 3" nails, since I'm going to put in more than one nail and
the joint is in compression.

I just bought the HF 34 degree framing nailer (ITEM 91054-3VGA) to frame
in three rooms in my basement. Because of the uneven floor, I'm having to
measure and cut each stud individually and toenail them in. With the air
pressure up at the listed maximum for the tool, I still have to go around
and finish driving the nails in. I'm using 16d 33 degree nails. Since
this is the only framing nailer I've ever owned, I'm afraid I can't say
whether this is a common issue.

Overall it was worth the money. I don't anticipate using it much after
this project, but it has saved a ton of time, and it helped me frame
these rooms relatively quickly, and with minimal assistance. I'd rather
not have to go back and bang the nails flush though. If I had it to do
over again, I would buy the same tool.

On Tue, 17 May 2005 06:28:43 -0500, the inscrutable J Brown
spake:

I just bought the HF 34 degree framing nailer (ITEM 91054-3VGA) to frame
in three rooms in my basement. Because of the uneven floor, I'm having to
measure and cut each stud individually and toenail them in. With the air
pressure up at the listed maximum for the tool, I still have to go around
and finish driving the nails in. I'm using 16d 33 degree nails. Since
this is the only framing nailer I've ever owned, I'm afraid I can't say
whether this is a common issue.

If it's a blue moon project, why not just rent a decent nailer for
$20 every ten years or so? Alternatively, I screwed together the
framing for my screened porch in the last house. It worked fine.


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Larry Jaques wrote in
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On Tue, 17 May 2005 06:28:43 -0500, the inscrutable J Brown
spake:


If it's a blue moon project, why not just rent a decent nailer for
$20 every ten years or so? Alternatively, I screwed together the
framing for my screened porch in the last house. It worked fine.

Got a buddy who's contemplating doing his basement tool. He looked into
renting and found it was going to get expensive quickly. No compressor,
would have to rent one too. Then this would be a "no rush, get around
tuit" project. What he'd pay in rental fees would outweigh a very nice
nailer/compressor combo.

On Tue, 17 May 2005 17:27:26 GMT, the inscrutable Patrick Conroy
spake:

Larry Jaques wrote in
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On Tue, 17 May 2005 06:28:43 -0500, the inscrutable J Brown
spake:

If it's a blue moon project, why not just rent a decent nailer for
$20 every ten years or so? Alternatively, I screwed together the
framing for my screened porch in the last house. It worked fine.

Got a buddy who's contemplating doing his basement tool. He looked into
renting and found it was going to get expensive quickly. No compressor,
would have to rent one too. Then this would be a "no rush, get around
tuit" project. What he'd pay in rental fees would outweigh a very nice
nailer/compressor combo.

Yeah, the "No rush." thing gets expensive in a hurry. When I do things
like that, I set up every possible item and get it done in a hurry.
But I rent things once in a blue moon: large trailers, airless
sprayers for the house, etc. Everything else is in my tool quite vast
collection. (You half-vasts out there PIPE DOWN!


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I squeeze in a couple of hours here, a couple of hours there, in between
work and the daughter's softball games ... renting was not an option
(though I guess hammering was).

Larry Jaques wrote in
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On Tue, 17 May 2005 17:27:26 GMT, the inscrutable Patrick Conroy
spake:

Larry Jaques wrote in
m:

On Tue, 17 May 2005 06:28:43 -0500, the inscrutable J Brown
spake:

If it's a blue moon project, why not just rent a decent nailer for
$20 every ten years or so? Alternatively, I screwed together the
framing for my screened porch in the last house. It worked fine.

Got a buddy who's contemplating doing his basement tool. He looked into
renting and found it was going to get expensive quickly. No compressor,
would have to rent one too. Then this would be a "no rush, get around
tuit" project. What he'd pay in rental fees would outweigh a very nice
nailer/compressor combo.

Yeah, the "No rush." thing gets expensive in a hurry. When I do things
like that, I set up every possible item and get it done in a hurry.
But I rent things once in a blue moon: large trailers, airless
sprayers for the house, etc. Everything else is in my tool quite vast
collection. (You half-vasts out there PIPE DOWN!


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"Patrick Conroy" wrote in message
Got a buddy who's contemplating doing his basement tool. He looked into
renting and found it was going to get expensive quickly. No compressor,
would have to rent one too. Then this would be a "no rush, get around
tuit" project. What he'd pay in rental fees would outweigh a very nice
nailer/compressor combo.

Buy it and if you have no more use, sell it on ebay for half price and you
are still ahead.

and with Ebay, he may just get double what he paid!

"Edwin Pawlowski" wrote in message
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"Patrick Conroy" wrote in message
Got a buddy who's contemplating doing his basement tool. He looked into
renting and found it was going to get expensive quickly. No compressor,
would have to rent one too. Then this would be a "no rush, get around
tuit" project. What he'd pay in rental fees would outweigh a very nice
nailer/compressor combo.

Buy it and if you have no more use, sell it on ebay for half price and you
are still ahead.

Larry Jaques wrote:
On Tue, 17 May 2005 06:28:43 -0500, the inscrutable J Brown
spake:


I just bought the HF 34 degree framing nailer (ITEM 91054-3VGA) to frame
in three rooms in my basement. Because of the uneven floor, I'm having to
measure and cut each stud individually and toenail them in. With the air
pressure up at the listed maximum for the tool, I still have to go around
and finish driving the nails in. I'm using 16d 33 degree nails. Since
this is the only framing nailer I've ever owned, I'm afraid I can't say
whether this is a common issue.


If it's a blue moon project, why not just rent a decent nailer for
$20 every ten years or so? Alternatively, I screwed together the
framing for my screened porch in the last house. It worked fine.


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Renting seems like a good idea until you get to
the real mechanics. If you have everything laid
out and can do everything in a few hours, it is a
good idea. For most of us that can only do 1-2
hours at a time, or run into complications that
take hours to fix, renting is a lousy way to go.
Rent around here for 1 day is often 1/4 the cost
of the tool, and 1/2 day rent is about 3/4 of a 1
day rent. So, if you have to rent the tool on 4-5
days, you could have just bought it.

One alternative is to check what brands of the
tool contractors use, buy the tool and sell it for
1/2 price when finished.

"George E. Cawthon" wrote in
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Renting seems like a good idea until you get to
the real mechanics. If you have everything laid
out and can do everything in a few hours, it is a
good idea. For most of us that can only do 1-2
hours at a time, or run into complications that
take hours to fix, renting is a lousy way to go.
Rent around here for 1 day is often 1/4 the cost
of the tool, and 1/2 day rent is about 3/4 of a 1
day rent. So, if you have to rent the tool on 4-5
days, you could have just bought it.

Oooooh, yeah!

Four or five years ago, I had some concrete to take out - an old patio
addition put in by a previous owner of this house. Based on other work I
had attributed to him, I figured it would not be too difficult. And after
all, it had heaved, so that it was a hazard.

Several rental days, and three jackhammers later, we folded. Seems the
fellow poured the piece with leftover high strength concrete. The easiest
part of that job was paying the landscape contractor to come in with his
crew and finish the job, when he could 'squeeze it into the schedule'. The
landscaper had a crew he was already paying for a full day, and got to
cover that cost with a partial days' job.

And he'd already done a number of large projects for us in the previous 6
months...

On Tue, 17 May 2005 23:36:10 GMT, the inscrutable "George E. Cawthon"
spake:

Larry Jaques wrote:
If it's a blue moon project, why not just rent a decent nailer for
$20 every ten years or so? Alternatively, I screwed together the
framing for my screened porch in the last house. It worked fine.

One alternative is to check what brands of the
tool contractors use, buy the tool and sell it for
1/2 price when finished.

Good, but I'd sell it for 80% of retail if I could, even if I paid
60% of retail in the first place.


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"Larry Jaques" wrote in message

Good, but I'd sell it for 80% of retail if I could, even if I paid
60% of retail in the first place.


You wouldn't sell it to me. For 20% or 30%, I'd buy new. I have to laugh
at some yard or estate sales where people have some mediocre tools, cameras,
etc and try to get more than new for it. I laugh even more when I see people
pay it!

"Larry Jaques" wrote in message
If it's a blue moon project, why not just rent a decent nailer for
$20 every ten years or so? Alternatively, I screwed together the
framing for my screened porch in the last house. It worked fine.

I just called out local hardware store to see what the rental cost is. $30
a day. Weekend is 2x that, no break on a Sunday.

I'm sure they are renting a better quality tool (Bostitch) than a Harbor
Freight, but if you need it for three or four days, the HF is starting to
look pretty good.

J,
I bought their Full Head nailer a while back. Haven't used it much but
while
I was at the store contemplating whether I should plonk down $90 for it,
another
customer noticed me and said he had built his whole house with his. He did
mention
that he had problems initially with penetration as well but using coated
nails solved the
problem. He insisted that using the coated ones would not cause the same
problem.
I haven't had to buy nails just yet but the coated ones I've used so far
seem to penetrate
just fine. YMMV of course.
Cheers,
cc


"J Brown" wrote in message
.105...
I just bought the HF 34 degree framing nailer (ITEM 91054-3VGA) to frame
in three rooms in my basement. Because of the uneven floor, I'm having to
measure and cut each stud individually and toenail them in. With the air
pressure up at the listed maximum for the tool, I still have to go around
and finish driving the nails in. I'm using 16d 33 degree nails. Since
this is the only framing nailer I've ever owned, I'm afraid I can't say
whether this is a common issue.

Overall it was worth the money. I don't anticipate using it much after
this project, but it has saved a ton of time, and it helped me frame
these rooms relatively quickly, and with minimal assistance. I'd rather
not have to go back and bang the nails flush though. If I had it to do
over again, I would buy the same tool.

I also bought the $20 brad nailer, and am looking forward to trying it
out on a crown moulding project this weekend.

J Brown

(Ron Truitt) wrote in news:3357-428968DE-436@storefull-
3311.bay.webtv.net:

Any pros or cons guys?

I'm thinking of trying one since it is on sale for $90 and I would not
need one that often.

TIA

RonT

I bought the $99 46240-7VGA last year and it has worked great. I only
use it occasionally, but it will drive 3" ring shank glue covered nails
and 3.25" framing nails. Hasn't jamed on me yet.

Wish i could say the same about the HF brad nailer I bought.

You may want more than a simple pancake compressor, too. I bought a
cheap $89 one from HF and it can't keep the pressure up high enough for
the gun (it needs 90psi at a minimum). The problem with this
compressor is you can't change the pressure at which it kicks on. So I
end up disconnection the hose at the gun to bleed some pressure to get
the compressor to kick on. Otherwise the nails won't go all the way
in.

rob