Folks -

Okay, a short one.... Got a gal in one of the Friday classes, has had WS
before and has the basics... Anyway, she is building a segmented round
mirror frame. I told her we would assemble it with hide glue.... She wanted
to know what THAT was, and I told her that it was the only glue available
for WW until modern adheisives came along.... She wanted to know why it was
called hide glue, and I told her... She wrinkled her nose and had a small
hissy about "those poor rabbits" and that it was WRONG to do that. I
countered, by asking her if she had ever eaten a burger.... she said that
"that didn't count" and that hide glue was "mean".... So, I back-tracked
and told her, half in jest, that we were actually using the "vegitarian"
formula, and that the original ingredients included lettuce and carrots.
She took it hook, line and sinker.... So now it's "carrot glue"

Sheesh....

John

In article ,
"John Moorhead" wrote:

She wanted to know why it was
called hide glue, and I told her... She wrinkled her nose and had a small
hissy about "those poor rabbits"

Is it rabbits? I've always thought it was of livestock origins - like
cows and in the past, horses - as in sending the old gray mare to the
glue factory...
--
Owen Lowe
The Fly-by-Night Copper Company
__________

"I pledge allegiance to the flag of the
Corporate States of America and to the
Republicans for which it stands, one nation,
under debt, easily divisible, with liberty
and justice for oil."
- Wiley Miller, Non Sequitur, 1/24/05

On Fri, 29 Apr 2005 22:41:59 -0700, Fly-by-Night CC
wrote:

Is it rabbits?

It may be, but not usually for woodworking.

Woodworking hide glue is hides from cows, maybe horses. Hooves and bone
take too much cooking, so they go for fertiliser instead.

Rabbit skin glue is more flexible than other hide glues. It's mainly
used for bookbinding, and similar trades.

--
Cats have nine lives, which is why they rarely post to Usenet.

"Fly-by-Night CC" wrote in message
news
In article ,
"John Moorhead" wrote:

She wanted to know why it was
called hide glue, and I told her... She wrinkled her nose and had a
small
hissy about "those poor rabbits"

Is it rabbits? I've always thought it was of livestock origins - like
cows and in the past, horses - as in sending the old gray mare to the
glue factory...

Collagen. Source variable. More cow parts available most places since the
advent of the horseless carriage.

On Sat, 30 Apr 2005 07:32:46 -0400, "George" george@least wrote:

"Fly-by-Night CC" wrote in message
news
In article ,
"John Moorhead" wrote:

She wanted to know why it was
called hide glue, and I told her... She wrinkled her nose and had a
small
hissy about "those poor rabbits"

Is it rabbits? I've always thought it was of livestock origins - like
cows and in the past, horses - as in sending the old gray mare to the
glue factory...

Collagen. Source variable. More cow parts available most places since the
advent of the horseless carriage.

Yeah, all the people that used to ride cows are driving cars now.

Lee

In article ,
Lee DeRaud wrote:
On Sat, 30 Apr 2005 07:32:46 -0400, "George" george@least wrote:

"Fly-by-Night CC" wrote in message
news
In article ,
"John Moorhead" wrote:

She wanted to know why it was
called hide glue, and I told her... She wrinkled her nose and had a
small
hissy about "those poor rabbits"

Is it rabbits? I've always thought it was of livestock origins - like
cows and in the past, horses - as in sending the old gray mare to the
glue factory...

Collagen. Source variable. More cow parts available most places since the
advent of the horseless carriage.

Yeah, all the people that used to ride cows are driving cars now.

And that's "no bull"!

Robert Bonomi wrote:
In article ,
Lee DeRaud wrote:

On Sat, 30 Apr 2005 07:32:46 -0400, "George" george@least wrote:


"Fly-by-Night CC" wrote in message
news
In article ,
"John Moorhead" wrote:


She wanted to know why it was
called hide glue, and I told her... She wrinkled her nose and had a

small

hissy about "those poor rabbits"

Is it rabbits? I've always thought it was of livestock origins - like
cows and in the past, horses - as in sending the old gray mare to the
glue factory...

Collagen. Source variable. More cow parts available most places since the
advent of the horseless carriage.

Yeah, all the people that used to ride cows are driving cars now.


And that's "no bull"!


I don't know, he may be giving us a bum steer.

Glen

In article ,
"John Moorhead" wrote:

She wrinkled her nose and had a small
hissy about "those poor rabbits

Sorry for the second reply but thought of something else...

In the last year or two my wife and I have been trying to gently ease
our now 6 year old into knowing the true origins of the animal products
we eat and wear. Her favorite stuffed animal is a cow. This cow has been
with us since the day she was born and to this day is much loved and
protected by all in the family - but especially our daughter. We love
animals and stop along the roadside to pet horses and talk to the cows,
we frequent petting zoos, have a couple dogs, read about animals, wake
her up to hear the owl in the summer and generally instill in her how
important it is to be respectful, kind and not harm animals, etc.

We thought it might be a problem explaining where hamburgers, roasts and
other beefy goodness comes from... nope - she doesn't seem to care one
bit as she pours more ketchup on her burger. She's even gotten to asking
us what part of the animal we're eating at any given meal - like what
animal gives us bacon and what part of the pig is it? She didn't seem
fazed at all that some people of the world eat dogs and rabbits or that
some won't even consider eating cows. On the flip side she still firmly
believes in Santa, the Easter Bunny and the Tooth Fairy...
--
Owen Lowe
The Fly-by-Night Copper Company
__________

"I pledge allegiance to the flag of the
Corporate States of America and to the
Republicans for which it stands, one nation,
under debt, easily divisible, with liberty
and justice for oil."
- Wiley Miller, Non Sequitur, 1/24/05

We thought it might be a problem explaining where hamburgers, roasts and
other beefy goodness comes from... nope - she doesn't seem to care one
bit as she pours more ketchup on her burger. She's even gotten to asking
us what part of the animal we're eating at any given meal - like what
animal gives us bacon and what part of the pig is it? She didn't seem
fazed at all that some people of the world eat dogs and rabbits or that
some won't even consider eating cows. On the flip side she still firmly
believes in Santa, the Easter Bunny and the Tooth Fairy...

Sounds like a well-adjusted young lady. My wife has become a
vegetarian over the past couple of years, and now she tries grossing
me out about eating meat. Doesn't work though- she tried telling me
that I should never eat McDonald's because the hamburger is allowed to
have a certain percentage of cow eyeballs in it. Well, that may or
may not be true- but just to show it doesn't work, I make a point of
always saying "Mmmmm... eyeballs" right before biting into any burger
these days.

Nothing wrong with being kind to animals, and using them when their
time is up. That's what we raise them for.
Aut inveniam viam aut faciam

In article ,
says...
Doesn't work though- she tried telling me
that I should never eat McDonald's because the hamburger is allowed to
have a certain percentage of cow eyeballs in it. Well, that may or
may not be true- but just to show it doesn't work, I make a point of
always saying "Mmmmm... eyeballs" right before biting into any burger
these days.

It always grosses out my wife when I fry trout with the head attached so
I can eat the eyeballs - I think they're good :-).

She's also not overly fond of my habit of eaing the marrow in those
little rings of bone :-).

--
Homo sapiens is a goal, not a description

lgb wrote:
In article ,
says...
Doesn't work though- she tried telling me
that I should never eat McDonald's because the hamburger is allowed
to
have a certain percentage of cow eyeballs in it. Well, that may or
may not be true- but just to show it doesn't work, I make a point
of
always saying "Mmmmm... eyeballs" right before biting into any
burger
these days.

It always grosses out my wife when I fry trout with the head attached
so
I can eat the eyeballs - I think they're good :-).

She's also not overly fond of my habit of eaing the marrow in those
little rings of bone :-).

--
Homo sapiens is a goal, not a description

You eat the eyballs out of trout?! Now, that's just disgusting. The
purpose of frying/grilling the trout with the head on is to eat the
tiny cheeks where there's a pocket of meat....not the eyes. Signed,
raised on a trout farm where supper was so fresh it jumped out of the
skillet.

wrote in message

You eat the eyballs out of trout?! Now, that's just disgusting.

S O P in some countries. We have some people at work from Pacific rim
countries. They tend to eat a lot of parts that we would dispose of. Some
of their food smells outstanding, others force me to fresh air.
--
Ed
http://pages.cthome.net/edhome/

wrote:
You eat the eyballs out of trout?! Now, that's just disgusting. The
purpose of frying/grilling the trout with the head on is to eat the
tiny cheeks where there's a pocket of meat....not the eyes. Signed,
raised on a trout farm where supper was so fresh it jumped out of the
skillet.

Finally! Someone else who realizes that the fish cheeks are the
sweetest part. Small, but worth the effort. Nothing wrong with
eyes, they're good on rice. As for the rest, it sounds like what
we used to call 4-H fever. The kids would raise the animal, show
it at the fair, and be scarred for years when it showed up on a
plate.

Dave in Fairfax
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On Sat, 30 Apr 2005 09:32:24 -0700, lgb wrote:

In article ,
says...
Doesn't work though- she tried telling me
that I should never eat McDonald's because the hamburger is allowed to
have a certain percentage of cow eyeballs in it. Well, that may or
may not be true- but just to show it doesn't work, I make a point of
always saying "Mmmmm... eyeballs" right before biting into any burger
these days.

It always grosses out my wife when I fry trout with the head attached so
I can eat the eyeballs - I think they're good :-).

She's also not overly fond of my habit of eaing the marrow in those
little rings of bone :-).

Good stuff, there. For my wife, the absolute horror when it comes to
things I'd *kill* to eat is sushi- especially the raw flying fish roe,
and spider rolls made with an entire crab. She just doesn't know good
food when it's looking right at her... The look on her face when I
take a bite of the end of a spider roll is just priceless (for those
of you who don't get into sushi, the ends of that particular roll have
the crab legs, complete with tiny pinchers, sticking out of them. Not
the most appealing thing to stare at, but ohhhhhh are they good.)


Aut inveniam viam aut faciam

In article , Prometheus wrote:

Good stuff, there. For my wife, the absolute horror when it comes to
things I'd *kill* to eat is sushi- especially the raw flying fish roe,
and spider rolls made with an entire crab. She just doesn't know good
food when it's looking right at her... The look on her face when I
take a bite of the end of a spider roll is just priceless (for those
of you who don't get into sushi, the ends of that particular roll have
the crab legs, complete with tiny pinchers, sticking out of them. Not
the most appealing thing to stare at, but ohhhhhh are they good.)

I used to work for a software company that had its main office here in
Indianapolis, and a couple other offices in other parts of the US. A couple of
us from the Indy office were at a computer conference in California with a guy
from our Los Angeles office. He was telling us all about different kinds of
sushi, how good they taste, and so on. Told him "back in Indiana, we call that
stuff by a different name.... BAIT!"

--
Regards,
Doug Miller (alphageek at milmac dot com)

Nobody ever left footprints in the sands of time by sitting on his butt.
And who wants to leave buttprints in the sands of time?

in 1202267 20050501 113405 Prometheus wrote:

Good stuff, there. For my wife, the absolute horror when it comes to
things I'd *kill* to eat is sushi- especially the raw flying fish roe,
and spider rolls made with an entire crab. She just doesn't know good
food when it's looking right at her... The look on her face when I
take a bite of the end of a spider roll is just priceless (for those
of you who don't get into sushi, the ends of that particular roll have
the crab legs, complete with tiny pinchers, sticking out of them. Not
the most appealing thing to stare at, but ohhhhhh are they good.)


Getting your own back for that eagle eating your liver every night ?

"Prometheus" wrote in message
...

We thought it might be a problem explaining where hamburgers, roasts and
other beefy goodness comes from... nope - she doesn't seem to care one
bit as she pours more ketchup on her burger. She's even gotten to asking
us what part of the animal we're eating at any given meal - like what
animal gives us bacon and what part of the pig is it? She didn't seem
fazed at all that some people of the world eat dogs and rabbits or that
some won't even consider eating cows. On the flip side she still firmly
believes in Santa, the Easter Bunny and the Tooth Fairy...

Sounds like a well-adjusted young lady. My wife has become a
vegetarian over the past couple of years, and now she tries grossing
me out about eating meat. Doesn't work though- she tried telling me
that I should never eat McDonald's because the hamburger is allowed to
have a certain percentage of cow eyeballs in it. Well, that may or
may not be true- but just to show it doesn't work, I make a point of
always saying "Mmmmm... eyeballs" right before biting into any burger
these days.


Who was the comedian who said, "If God did not want us to eat animals, he
wouldn't have made them out of meat".

On Sat, 30 Apr 2005 12:31:07 -0400, the inscrutable "Lee Michaels"
spake:

"Prometheus" wrote in message
.. .

Sounds like a well-adjusted young lady. My wife has become a
vegetarian over the past couple of years, and now she tries grossing
me out about eating meat. Doesn't work though- she tried telling me
that I should never eat McDonald's because the hamburger is allowed to
have a certain percentage of cow eyeballs in it. Well, that may or
may not be true- but just to show it doesn't work, I make a point of
always saying "Mmmmm... eyeballs" right before biting into any burger
these days.


Who was the comedian who said, "If God did not want us to eat animals, he
wouldn't have made them out of meat".

One of the funniest skits I've seen and heard was George Wallace
(Yeah, the black comedian, not the Georgia racict.) on feeding the
homeless. He wanted to give out loaves of bread to the homeless in
the parks and have them catch pigeons and make sandwiches, killing
two birds (so to speak) with one stone. I couldn't Google a link for
it or I would have posted it. His version was a LOT funnier.


--== May The Angst Be With You! ==--
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On 2005-04-30, Prometheus wrote:

Sounds like a well-adjusted young lady. My wife has become a
vegetarian over the past couple of years, and now she tries grossing
me out about eating meat. Doesn't work though- she tried telling me
that I should never eat McDonald's because the hamburger is allowed to
have a certain percentage of cow eyeballs in it. Well, that may or
may not be true- but just to show it doesn't work, I make a point of
always saying "Mmmmm... eyeballs" right before biting into any burger
these days.

Nothing wrong with being kind to animals, and using them when their
time is up. That's what we raise them for.
Aut inveniam viam aut faciam

Seen on bash.org...

green We vegetarians love the environment. carnivores are sick freaks.
Frank How can vegetarians possibly love the environment.. you keep
eating all the f*cking plants

:-)

Fly-by-Night CC wrote in newsnlnlowe-
:


On the flip side she still firmly
believes in Santa, the Easter Bunny and the Tooth Fairy...

Um, what about Santa Claus? Are you trying to imply something here?

On Sat, 30 Apr 2005 07:55:40 -0500, Doc wrote:

Fly-by-Night CC wrote in newsnlnlowe-
:


On the flip side she still firmly
believes in Santa, the Easter Bunny and the Tooth Fairy...

Um, what about Santa Claus? Are you trying to imply something here?

Isn't Santa Claus the guy who delivers my power tools? Isn't the Easter Bunny
the guy who delivers my hand tools? And, I do have to speak to that Tooth Fairy
fella about some saw blades that need to be sharpened.

____________________
Bill Waller
New Eagle, PA

"Doc" wrote in message
...
Fly-by-Night CC wrote in newsnlnlowe-
:


On the flip side she still firmly
believes in Santa, the Easter Bunny and the Tooth Fairy...

Um, what about Santa Claus? Are you trying to imply something here?

No Joke and I am not kidding about this, I have made and shipped toys to
"Santa's Workshop, at Northpole, AK, I even receive checks and cashed them
for the toys.

Fly-by-Night CC wrote in newsnlnlowe-
:

In article ,
"John Moorhead" wrote:

She wrinkled her nose and had a small
hissy about "those poor rabbits

Sorry for the second reply but thought of something else...

In the last year or two my wife and I have been trying to gently
ease
our now 6 year old into knowing the true origins of the animal
products
we eat and wear.

We're in a similar position with our 4 yr old, but since we eat a lot
of wild game/fish the connections are even more fun. In recent weeks
we've had salmon, deer, elk, bison, duck, walleye, caribou and
probably a few others on the table, along with a bit of pork and
chicken. She knows where eat one comes from, and desite the zoo full
of stuffed animals upstairs she seems OK about eating meat. She's
also pretty interested in knowing which animals eat one another, i.e.
who are the carnivores in her menagarie.

Must be a common thing in some families, but I do know others who've
had kids freak out about meat around age 7-10 when they first make
the connections between chickens and McNuggets.

-Kiwanda

Kiwanda wrote in news:Xns9648618DDB20kiwandanospamne@
64.85.239.19:

Must be a common thing in some families, but I do know others who've
had kids freak out about meat around age 7-10 when they first make
the connections between chickens and McNuggets.


Uhh, I'm not all that certain there IS a connection between chickens and
McNuggets... ;-)

Patriarch

On Sat, 30 Apr 2005 19:32:38 -0500, the inscrutable Patriarch
spake:

Kiwanda wrote in news:Xns9648618DDB20kiwandanospamne@
64.85.239.19:

Must be a common thing in some families, but I do know others who've
had kids freak out about meat around age 7-10 when they first make
the connections between chickens and McNuggets.

Uhh, I'm not all that certain there IS a connection between chickens and
McNuggets... ;-)

I've always referred to them as Chicken McDogNuts.
YMMV


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On Sat, 30 Apr 2005 19:32:38 -0500, Patriarch
wrote:

Kiwanda wrote in news:Xns9648618DDB20kiwandanospamne@
64.85.239.19:

Must be a common thing in some families, but I do know others who've
had kids freak out about meat around age 7-10 when they first make
the connections between chickens and McNuggets.


Uhh, I'm not all that certain there IS a connection between chickens and
McNuggets... ;-)

"Can you think of any part of a chicken that you could possibly call a
'nugget' that you would want to put in your mouth?" - Guy Kolling -
1979

--
"We need to make a sacrifice to the gods, find me a young virgin... oh, and bring something to kill"

Tim Douglass

http://www.DouglassClan.com

"Tim Douglass" wrote in message
"Can you think of any part of a chicken that you could possibly call a
'nugget' that you would want to put in your mouth?" - Guy Kolling -
1979


Guess you've never had turkey fries then.

In article 36,
Patriarch wrote:

Kiwanda wrote in news:Xns9648618DDB20kiwandanospamne@
64.85.239.19:

Must be a common thing in some families, but I do know others who've
had kids freak out about meat around age 7-10 when they first make
the connections between chickens and McNuggets.


Uhh, I'm not all that certain there IS a connection between chickens and
McNuggets... ;-)

Patriarch

I just posted that as well...next time I will read all the replies
first..LOL

Kiwanda wrote in news:Xns9648618DDB20kiwandanospamne@
64.85.239.19:

We're in a similar position with our 4 yr old, but since we eat a lot
of wild game/fish the connections are even more fun. In recent weeks
we've had salmon, deer, elk, bison, duck, walleye, caribou and
probably a few others on the table, along with a bit of pork and
chicken. She knows where eat one comes from, and desite the zoo full
of stuffed animals upstairs she seems OK about eating meat. She's
also pretty interested in knowing which animals eat one another, i.e.
who are the carnivores in her menagarie.


Our 9 year-old granddaughter jokes with all of us, and the 5 year-old
doesn't blink an eye, whentalk about the yummy Bambi she just had, and the
great Wilbur last night, and the Thumper with lunch. Of course, the food
at Mohonk (www.mohonk.com) *is* great, especially when eaten in that great
diningroom (sorry no picture of the wood, but pictures of the outside are
about to be posted in abpw under Mohonk.)

--
Best regards
Han
email address is invalid

In article ,
Kiwanda wrote:

when they first make
the connections between chickens and McNuggets.

There IS a connection?

the connections between chickens and McNuggets.

There IS a connection?

Sure. Why do you think they call it "connective tissue?"

Lee

--
To e-mail, replace "bucketofspam" with "dleegordon"

So...Does Crazy Glue come from Mad Cows :O)

Keith P

In article ,
"John Moorhead" wrote:

Folks -

Okay, a short one.... Got a gal in one of the Friday classes, has had WS
before and has the basics... Anyway, she is building a segmented round
mirror frame. I told her we would assemble it with hide glue.... She wanted
to know what THAT was, and I told her that it was the only glue available
for WW until modern adheisives came along.... She wanted to know why it was
called hide glue, and I told her... She wrinkled her nose and had a small
hissy about "those poor rabbits" and that it was WRONG to do that. I
countered, by asking her if she had ever eaten a burger.... she said that
"that didn't count" and that hide glue was "mean".... So, I back-tracked
and told her, half in jest, that we were actually using the "vegitarian"
formula, and that the original ingredients included lettuce and carrots.
She took it hook, line and sinker.... So now it's "carrot glue"

Sheesh....

John

I realize this thread was about glue initially, but I just love the way
this newsgroup runs with any thread. Truly priceless.
Got to love this place.

Robatoy wrote in
:

In article ,
"John Moorhead" wrote:

Folks -

Okay, a short one.... Got a gal in one of the Friday classes, has
had WS before and has the basics... Anyway, she is building a
segmented round mirror frame. I told her we would assemble it with
hide glue.... She wanted to know what THAT was, and I told her that
it was the only glue available for WW until modern adheisives came
along.... She wanted to know why it was called hide glue, and I told
her... She wrinkled her nose and had a small hissy about "those poor
rabbits" and that it was WRONG to do that. I countered, by asking
her if she had ever eaten a burger.... she said that "that didn't
count" and that hide glue was "mean".... So, I back-tracked and told
her, half in jest, that we were actually using the "vegitarian"
formula, and that the original ingredients included lettuce and
carrots. She took it hook, line and sinker.... So now it's "carrot
glue"

Sheesh....

John

I realize this thread was about glue initially, but I just love the
way this newsgroup runs with any thread. Truly priceless.
Got to love this place.


Nobody brought up pvc dust collection piping explosions or wiring for
240v, until now. Or politics.

The thread obviously has a way to run yet.

Patriarch

In article 36,
Patriarch wrote:

Nobody brought up pvc dust collection piping explosions or wiring for
240v, until now. Or politics.

The thread obviously has a way to run yet.

I overlooked that..I wash my hands off it...in acetone.

A bumper sticker from a local archery store "Vegetarian is an old
Indian word for lousy hunter"
robo hippy

On 1 May 2005 23:22:30 -0700, wrote:

A bumper sticker from a local archery store "Vegetarian is an old
Indian word for lousy hunter"

"I'm not a vegetarian because I love animals,
I'm a vegetarian because I really really really hate plants."

Lee

I realize this thread was about glue initially, but I just love the
way this newsgroup runs with any thread. Truly priceless.
Got to love this place.


Nobody brought up pvc dust collection piping explosions or wiring for
240v, until now. Or politics.

The thread obviously has a way to run yet.

Patriarch


Don't forget the Saw Stop - we haven't covered that yet either!

Vic

"Vic Baron" wrote in message

Don't forget the Saw Stop - we haven't covered that yet either!

Probably because you couldn't use it to skin a squirrel ...

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