I want to apply a finish to some wood to protect it from water and at
the same time be safe for animals. Any ideas?????????
Thank You
Ron

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I want to apply a finish to some wood to protect it from water and at
the same time be safe for animals. Any ideas?????????
Thank You
Ron

According to Finishing Guru Bob Flexner, "All finishes are safe for contact
with food or children's mouths once the finish has fully cured (after about
a month".)

Max D.

General Finishes Salad Bowl finish.
http://www.woodcraft.com/family.aspx?familyid=752

Do you have a reference to that statement. I'd love to confirm that.
Really.

"SonomaProducts.com" wrote in message
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Do you have a reference to that statement. I'd love to confirm that.
Really.


From past experience, you'll not believe it, but check 21CFR175.300 at the
FDA.

What kind of water contact & what kind of animals? If it's a livestock
water trough, you can use a wider range than if it is the canary's
water dish. Inside or outside?

Jim

From past experience, you'll not believe it, but check 21CFR175.300
at the
FDA.



The FDA is right up there with the EPA in terms of looking out for
citizens.

SonomaProducts.com says...

Do you have a reference to that statement. I'd love to confirm that.
Really.

Flexner lists them as 'probably' safe. Naturally, he doesn't want to be
sued if somebody decides they got sick off some or other finish. But I
think there is way too much worry about this. All the major wood
finishes have been around for a long time and I've never heard of anyone
getting sick from a cured finish, nor even a frivolous lawsuit claiming
somebody did. If any of them were the least bit dangerous, we would
know all about it by now. Anyone ever heard of lead or asbestos? The
polymerizing finishes would be impossible to get into the bloodstream,
because they are nearly impervious to anything but the strongest
chemical finish strippers. At the top of that heap would be
polyurethane--the most chemical and chip resistant of the common
finishes. I don't believe shellac is toxic at all. The only thing
toxic about it is the methanol used to poison the ethanol solvent, which
quickly evaporates. I can only assume our government believes that a
few deaths are preferable to somebody using pure ethanol to get drunk
(yuk).

says...

I want to apply a finish to some wood to protect it from water and at
the same time be safe for animals. Any ideas?????????
Thank You
Ron

Choose whichever one you like. If any of them were toxic after curing,
they would be banned. Polyurethane is very water resistant and
chemically resistant, meaning that it can't be digested, even if large
chips of it were eaten. Actually, the same is true for all of the film
finishes, but polyurethane is the most inert of them all. Polyurethane
isn't a good outdoor finish because it is broken down by UV light.

"Buck Turgidson" wrote in message
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From past experience, you'll not believe it, but check 21CFR175.300
at the
FDA.



The FDA is right up there with the EPA in terms of looking out for
citizens.



Snicker.

Ignorance must surely be bliss.

You have a Q-Ray "Ionized" Bracelet?

"SonomaProducts.com" wrote in message
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Do you have a reference to that statement. I'd love to confirm that.
Really.


To whom is that directed?

"Hax Planx" wrote in message
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I want to apply a finish to some wood to protect it from water and at
the same time be safe for animals. Any ideas?????????
Thank You
Ron

Choose whichever one you like. If any of them were toxic after curing,
they would be banned. Polyurethane is very water resistant and
chemically resistant, meaning that it can't be digested, even if large
chips of it were eaten. Actually, the same is true for all of the film
finishes, but polyurethane is the most inert of them all. Polyurethane
isn't a good outdoor finish because it is broken down by UV light.

Unless it contains UV blockers.

"Hax Planx" wrote in message
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Polyurethane
isn't a good outdoor finish because it is broken down by UV light.

Unless you get the poly made for outdoors. Mine has held up for years with
no problems.

"SonomaProducts.com" wrote in message
oups.com...
Do you have a reference to that statement. I'd love to confirm that.
Really.


If you don't believe the statement, why would you believe the references?
It would be better for you to do the research on your own so you can be sure
it is truthful and correct.

On Fri, 22 Apr 2005 21:12:23 GMT, the inscrutable "Max"
spake:

"SonomaProducts.com" wrote in message
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Do you have a reference to that statement. I'd love to confirm that.
Really.

To whom is that directed?

Probably you, Max.

(Don't you just love people who reply without any quoted reference,
those who quote entire long posts then give a one-line reply, and
those who top-post?) sigh


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Most finishes are safe after they have fully cured. Some animals
(birds, fish) are much more sensitive than others and in that case I
would not use a finish. Select the finish you may want to use and
contact the manufacturer and state the specific animal in question.

On Fri, 22 Apr 2005 14:39:18 -0400, wrote:

I want to apply a finish to some wood to protect it from water and at
the same time be safe for animals. Any ideas?????????
Thank You
Ron

On 22 Apr 2005 12:33:05 -0700, "SonomaProducts.com"
wrote:

Do you have a reference to that statement. I'd love to confirm that.

Well it's obviously incorrect, when framed in such a broad manner.

"All finishes are safe for contact with food or children's mouths
once the finish has fully cured (after about a month)."

The obvious counter examples are lead paint, marine anti-fouling paint,
and lead-dried oil finishes. If we rephrase it as "All current finishes
permitted for general use in Ruritania, according to the current rules
of the RDA" then we might be better off - for your own local values of
Ruritanian rulings.

And that's a month in a reasonably warm time of year.

On 22 Apr 2005 13:02:27 -0700, "Jim" wrote:

If it's a livestock
water trough, you can use a wider range than if it is the canary's
water dish.

Unless it's a dairy herd. There are problems for several fairly common
and not particularly hazardous materials if they're likely to turn up in
the milk.