I just started turning and I am hooked now. I have an endless supply of
black walnut that was given to me and all I have to do is go out to the
woods and cut it to lengths and bring it home. I took a sample peice that
has been sitting for about 6 mos. and cut it upthis way..........I cut
through the length of the log dead center so I have two halves looking at it
from the end. Next I cut it the same way but to the thickness I wanted (
about 6 inches ). Then I cut out a round blank on a bandsaw. When I start
to turn the blank, I get spots where the wood is nice and smooth and I get
spots where it is fuzzy. Both of these spots oppose each other. Is this a
grain issue or am I doing something wrong?

TIA,
Scott

Yes, you're doing everything wrong. Send it to me and I'll save the day.

Sherfey's wrote:
I just started turning and I am hooked now. I have an endless supply of
black walnut that was given to me and all I have to do is go out to the
woods and cut it to lengths and bring it home. I took a sample peice that
has been sitting for about 6 mos. and cut it upthis way..........I cut
through the length of the log dead center so I have two halves looking at it
from the end. Next I cut it the same way but to the thickness I wanted (
about 6 inches ). Then I cut out a round blank on a bandsaw. When I start
to turn the blank, I get spots where the wood is nice and smooth and I get
spots where it is fuzzy. Both of these spots oppose each other. Is this a
grain issue or am I doing something wrong?

Nice drive-by, allow me to state: YOU SUCK!
You did the cutting just right, the "fuzzy" parts are where the
end grain shows up. Thinks of a board spinnig on your finger...
The ends would be the fuzzy parts. You may want to make sure that
you are sharpening your tools a bit better and bubbing your bevel,
walnut polishes up on the lathe to a gorgeous color. It's also
highly toxic, wear your mask/respirator. Bill Gumbine has a great
video that shows how to take a log and make abowl out of it. Well
worth the money.

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Sherfey,
Black walnut has a tencency to tear out more than most other woods, at
least the western black walnut that I am used to. The harder and more
dense (usually) the wood is the less tear out there is. When turning
flat grain, for part of the rotation you are cutting down hill, similar
to sharpening a pencil with a knife. For part of the rotation you are
cutting up hill, like sharpening a pencil from the point up towards the
main part of the pencil. The uphill part tends to tear more. Keep your
tools sharp! Roughing cuts can be more sloppy. Finish cuts, sharpen
first, then take much lighter cuts. Sometimes getting the wood damp
first before the finish cuts helps. Walnut seems to sell in spurts for
me, some times I can't give it away, and some times I can't keep it in
stock. Wear a dust mask!
Hope that helps some.
robo hippy



















Dave in Fairfax wrote:
Sherfey's wrote:
I just started turning and I am hooked now. I have an endless
supply of
black walnut that was given to me and all I have to do is go out to
the
woods and cut it to lengths and bring it home. I took a sample
peice that
has been sitting for about 6 mos. and cut it upthis way..........I
cut
through the length of the log dead center so I have two halves
looking at it
from the end. Next I cut it the same way but to the thickness I
wanted (
about 6 inches ). Then I cut out a round blank on a bandsaw. When
I start
to turn the blank, I get spots where the wood is nice and smooth
and I get
spots where it is fuzzy. Both of these spots oppose each other.
Is this a
grain issue or am I doing something wrong?

Nice drive-by, allow me to state: YOU SUCK!
You did the cutting just right, the "fuzzy" parts are where the
end grain shows up. Thinks of a board spinnig on your finger...
The ends would be the fuzzy parts. You may want to make sure that
you are sharpening your tools a bit better and bubbing your bevel,
walnut polishes up on the lathe to a gorgeous color. It's also
highly toxic, wear your mask/respirator. Bill Gumbine has a great
video that shows how to take a log and make abowl out of it. Well
worth the money.

Dave in Fairfax
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Dave

I do not think it is very becoming of this NG for people to scream "You
Suck" at newbie or to even scream such profane comments at anyone - newbie
or expert.

Just think if someone said that to you - how would you feel about posting a
future question - huh?

Ray Sandusky
Brentwood, TN

Ray Sandusky wrote:
Dave
I do not think it is very becoming of this NG for people to scream "You
Suck" at newbie or to even scream such profane comments at anyone - newbie
or expert.
Just think if someone said that to you - how would you feel about posting a
future question - huh?

I think you misunderstood horribly. Alloww me to requote the OP
and myself.

Sherfey's wrote:
I just started turning and I am hooked now. I have an endless supply of
black walnut that was given to me and all I have to do is go out to the
woods and cut it to lengths and bring it home.

Me: Nice drive-by, allow me to state: YOU SUCK!

Now if that doesn't constitute a major GLOAT, I don't know what
does. That is why I started it out with Nice drive-by. Because
his was a concealed gloat rather than an out-and-out gloat. I'm
sorry if you aren't used to seeing gloats, neeners and drive-bys
posted on the Usenet, or weren't aware that the appropriate
response to a gloat like that is: You Suck. Frequently much more
descriptively, but that is the way it was meant.
The remainder of the message was my guess on what he meant by
"fuzz" and how to deal with it.
If I posted that I had an endless supply of Black Walnut and that
all I had to do was go and pick it up, I would expect to have
people inform me of my suckage; tell me that I was in grave danger
and that they would help save me by removing the dangerous wood;
and any of a number of other things.

If Sherfey misundertood my message, then I certainly apologise.
It was meant as a major compliment. I see that he's already been
informed of how badly he's treating the wood, and had an offer to
save it from him. Somehow I suspect that offer was given in the
same light as my response.

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Dave

Obviously you live in an area where walnut is scarce - I guess I also have
more than my fair share - so my take on your comment was that this person
sucked at turning.

Ray

"Dave in Fairfax" wrote in message
...
Ray Sandusky wrote:
Dave
I do not think it is very becoming of this NG for people to scream "You
Suck" at newbie or to even scream such profane comments at anyone -
newbie
or expert.
Just think if someone said that to you - how would you feel about posting
a
future question - huh?

I think you misunderstood horribly. Alloww me to requote the OP
and myself.

Sherfey's wrote:
I just started turning and I am hooked now. I have an endless supply of
black walnut that was given to me and all I have to do is go out to the
woods and cut it to lengths and bring it home.

Me: Nice drive-by, allow me to state: YOU SUCK!

Now if that doesn't constitute a major GLOAT, I don't know what
does. That is why I started it out with Nice drive-by. Because
his was a concealed gloat rather than an out-and-out gloat. I'm
sorry if you aren't used to seeing gloats, neeners and drive-bys
posted on the Usenet, or weren't aware that the appropriate
response to a gloat like that is: You Suck. Frequently much more
descriptively, but that is the way it was meant.
The remainder of the message was my guess on what he meant by
"fuzz" and how to deal with it.
If I posted that I had an endless supply of Black Walnut and that
all I had to do was go and pick it up, I would expect to have
people inform me of my suckage; tell me that I was in grave danger
and that they would help save me by removing the dangerous wood;
and any of a number of other things.

If Sherfey misundertood my message, then I certainly apologise.
It was meant as a major compliment. I see that he's already been
informed of how badly he's treating the wood, and had an offer to
save it from him. Somehow I suspect that offer was given in the
same light as my response.

Dave in Fairfax
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Ray Sandusky wrote:
Dave
Obviously you live in an area where walnut is scarce - I guess I also have
more than my fair share - so my take on your comment was that this person
sucked at turning.

We've got a fair amount of it here in VA, it just makes me cry
when I see people pile it up and burn it. It's probably my
favorite wood for turning. Please take a look at the link I sent
Scottin the next message down. I thinkk that you'll see that it's
said in anything but an unfriendly manner. I might think nasty
things about someone, but unless they attack me, or someone I
like, first, I almost never get nasty with them.

Sorry you took it wrong,
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If that is the worst thing said to me on any given day I would consider that
church language. I am very blue collar and not so politically correct. I
thought it was kind of cool that I got a YOU SUCK from somebody of your
stature on the wreck. Also thanks for your advise. Where can I get that
video? I tried looking for it but came up empty.

Scott
"Dave in Fairfax" wrote in message
...
Ray Sandusky wrote:
Dave
I do not think it is very becoming of this NG for people to scream "You
Suck" at newbie or to even scream such profane comments at anyone -
newbie
or expert.
Just think if someone said that to you - how would you feel about
posting a
future question - huh?

I think you misunderstood horribly. Alloww me to requote the OP
and myself.

Sherfey's wrote:
I just started turning and I am hooked now. I have an endless supply of
black walnut that was given to me and all I have to do is go out to the
woods and cut it to lengths and bring it home.

Me: Nice drive-by, allow me to state: YOU SUCK!

Now if that doesn't constitute a major GLOAT, I don't know what
does. That is why I started it out with Nice drive-by. Because
his was a concealed gloat rather than an out-and-out gloat. I'm
sorry if you aren't used to seeing gloats, neeners and drive-bys
posted on the Usenet, or weren't aware that the appropriate
response to a gloat like that is: You Suck. Frequently much more
descriptively, but that is the way it was meant.
The remainder of the message was my guess on what he meant by
"fuzz" and how to deal with it.
If I posted that I had an endless supply of Black Walnut and that
all I had to do was go and pick it up, I would expect to have
people inform me of my suckage; tell me that I was in grave danger
and that they would help save me by removing the dangerous wood;
and any of a number of other things.

If Sherfey misundertood my message, then I certainly apologise.
It was meant as a major compliment. I see that he's already been
informed of how badly he's treating the wood, and had an offer to
save it from him. Somehow I suspect that offer was given in the
same light as my response.

Dave in Fairfax
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Sherfey's wrote:
If that is the worst thing said to me on any given day I would consider that
church language. I am very blue collar and not so politically correct. I
thought it was kind of cool that I got a YOU SUCK from somebody of your
stature on the wreck. Also thanks for your advise. Where can I get that
video? I tried looking for it but came up empty.

Bill Gumbine shows up here as ultra-dad, he has a couple of
websites. The one you're looking for is
http://www.wonderfulwood.com/ then click on the VIDEO link on the
left side. This is one of the best how-to videos I've seen. He
shows how to do it not brag on how good he is at doing it. Good
music too.

For more on the use of "you suck, take a look at his Google
search, look out for the word wrap, you may have to do some cut
and paste.
http://groups.google.co.uk/groups?hl...ts.woodturning
I thinkk that you'll see that it wasn't quite what Ray thought I
meant. As for stature, I think you've missed you medication, I'm
a nobody. Black walnut, however is a true joy to turn, serious
about the mask though. Stuff'll kill you.

Dave in Fairfax
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"Sherfey's" wrote in message
news:mPeJd.27532$EG1.26690@attbi_s53...
I just started turning and I am hooked now. I have an endless supply of
black walnut that was given to me and all I have to do is go out to the
woods and cut it to lengths and bring it home. I took a sample peice that
has been sitting for about 6 mos. and cut it upthis way..........I cut
through the length of the log dead center so I have two halves looking at
it
from the end. Next I cut it the same way but to the thickness I wanted (
about 6 inches ). Then I cut out a round blank on a bandsaw. When I
start
to turn the blank, I get spots where the wood is nice and smooth and I get
spots where it is fuzzy. Both of these spots oppose each other. Is this
a
grain issue or am I doing something wrong?


You're picking up the ends of the grain in those opposing spots. Take a
peek at
http://www.woodturningplus.com/Five%...id_a_catch.htm
but don't hack the inside as he's doing, and you can get good surface all
the way to the button on the bottom.

Look at Fig 3 and 4, and notice that there is a cutting option which will
sever the fibers across their direction, regardless of their orientation,
except for the two pieces of face grain. Lay your toolrest at a point below
center, roll your gouge onto its edge, taking care not to bury the nose -
easily done on narrow-flute bowl gouges - by rotating it slightly upward,
leaning part of the bevel on the wood for support. Broader gouges are more
easily handled for this cut, but they're not called "bowl gouges," so a lot
of people won't use 'em.

http://personalpages.tds.net/~upgeor...dle-Hollow.jpg Shows a
1/2 spindle gouge hogging,
http://personalpages.tds.net/~upgeor...orged-Trim.jpg shows a
3/4 forged or Continental pattern gouge finishing. Same cut works to a "T"
outside. http://personalpages.tds.net/~upgeor...rged-Gouge.jpg

Best evidence that you're cutting the wood is that the chips don't fly
reactively, but drop as they are cut, running down the gouge or falling
directly. Your optimum shaving is smooth on the side cut by the edge, and
twisted to show you've got a good skewed bevel support.

Look at Fig 3 and 4, and notice that there is a cutting option which will
sever the fibers across their direction, regardless of their orientation,
except for the two pieces of face grain. Lay your toolrest at a point
below
center, roll your gouge onto its edge, taking care not to bury the nose -
easily done on narrow-flute bowl gouges - by rotating it slightly upward,
leaning part of the bevel on the wood for support. Broader gouges are
more
easily handled for this cut, but they're not called "bowl gouges," so a
lot
of people won't use 'em.

http://personalpages.tds.net/~upgeor...dle-Hollow.jpg Shows
a
1/2 spindle gouge hogging,
http://personalpages.tds.net/~upgeor...orged-Trim.jpg shows a
3/4 forged or Continental pattern gouge finishing. Same cut works to a
"T"
outside.
http://personalpages.tds.net/~upgeor...rged-Gouge.jpg

Best evidence that you're cutting the wood is that the chips don't fly
reactively, but drop as they are cut, running down the gouge or falling
directly. Your optimum shaving is smooth on the side cut by the edge, and
twisted to show you've got a good skewed bevel support.

the pictures would show technique better if the wood wasn't actually
being turned...and
we could see the tool position on the wood without the wood chips in the
way.
rich

I got a nice rash from turning some walnut.
Cost a pretty penny for the salve I had to put on it.

I have to wear a long sleeve shirt and hat when turing walnut.
Ricky

Ricky Dietsch wrote:
I got a nice rash from turning some walnut.
Cost a pretty penny for the salve I had to put on it.
I have to wear a long sleeve shirt and hat when turing walnut.

That can happen with any wood, but it seems to happen more with
the tropicals and the pretty locals. Somebody's got a sick sense
of humor.

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"Dave in Fairfax" wrote in message
...
SNIP........
That can happen with any wood, but it seems to happen more with
the tropicals and the pretty locals. SNIP.......
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Dave,
I think the main culprits are the darker hardwoods like walnut, mesquite,
rosewoods, ebony, etc.. You seldom hear much about allergic reactions from
maple, birch, pine, fir, etc. Like you say, if it's pretty, you'd better
take precautions.

Ken Moon
Webberville, TX

Ken Moon wrote:
I think the main culprits are the darker hardwoods like walnut, mesquite,
rosewoods, ebony, etc.. You seldom hear much about allergic reactions from
maple, birch, pine, fir, etc. Like you say, if it's pretty, you'd better
take precautions.

I agree entirely. I personally enjoy turning maples and conifers,
as well as sycamore, holly and walnut, and others of course. Many
peoplle seem to find the softwoods and many maples to be boring,
which is why I didn't lump themn in with the pretty ones. When I
first started turning, I hooked up with some people who have
immense amounts of curly maple and walnut. I "grew up" turning
flamed walnut, and curly maple without realizing that they were
anything special. Certainy made me enjoy turning. %-) When you
turn gorgeous wood, it makes it much easier to make pretty things,
even with lousey technique. They gave me great prices since a lot
of what I got was the pieces they couldn't use for their
projects. The best part was that they'd explain the woods to me
and didn't get annoyed with my idiot questions.

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