Like the Frank Klausz video on making a handcut drawer, Richard Raffan's
vid on making a "turned box" covers a lot of ground and there are a lot
of subtle things which are easily overlooked. Do something out of order
and you may have to start all over again. Miss one of the less than
obvious things which must be done in the correct order and you can
split a part while chucking it up, blow through the wall of a part
you're
hollowing, blow the fit of the lid, etc., etc., etc. . Pitfalls are
present
throughout what seems to be a fairly simple process - and I'm prone
to falling into ALL the pitfalls I encounter.

SO - I'm working on a set of instructions for myself along the lines of
my
earlier instructions for making a hand cut dovetail drawer based mainly
on the Frank Klausz video. Since I'm a "visual learner" there's plenty
of
illustrations and "NOTE!" text cautions when something critical might
be overlooked in an illustrative diagram. That stuff's here if you're
interested.

http://home.comcast.net/~charliebcz/...ilDrawer0.html

ANYWAY - I'm posting five pages of my draft instructions for your
review and comment, page 5 being under construction. As always,
comments, suggestions and constructive criticism will be appreciated.
With a few more sets of eyes going over them, holes or flat out errors
are more likely to be spotted - and hopefully corrected.

Not knowing enough to know if I shouldn't, I'm hollowing with a curved
skew and it seems to be pretty quick and easy - and so far no nasty
catches or spiral cuts like I've gotten with an Ellsworth Grind bowl
gouge. I've included illustrations of what I'm doing that hopefully
convey the method adequately.

What I'm shooting for is some web pages that can be downloaded -
for FREE -
printed, taken to the shop, followed and have the first experience
for a newbie to be an enjoyable and successful one. First attempt
failures often become the last attempt at something new. But
a success on the first try usually is the beginning of many more
of whatever you want to do, with refinements and variations
leading to some really nice stuff as experience is gained.

"Instructions" posted in alt.binaries.pictures.woodworking.

charlie b

Charlie
The instructions look clear to me. Essentially, you are using the skew
inside the box as a scraper. I like to turn most of the inside with a gouge
or hook tool, but what you are doing works well. Do you have a site to post
it later?
______
God bless and safe turning
Darrell Feltmate
Truro, NS, Canada
www.aroundthewoods.com
"charlie b" wrote in message
...
Like the Frank Klausz video on making a handcut drawer, Richard Raffan's
vid on making a "turned box" covers a lot of ground and there are a lot
of subtle things which are easily overlooked. Do something out of order
and you may have to start all over again. Miss one of the less than
obvious things which must be done in the correct order and you can
split a part while chucking it up, blow through the wall of a part
you're
hollowing, blow the fit of the lid, etc., etc., etc. . Pitfalls are
present
throughout what seems to be a fairly simple process - and I'm prone
to falling into ALL the pitfalls I encounter.

SO - I'm working on a set of instructions for myself along the lines of
my
earlier instructions for making a hand cut dovetail drawer based mainly
on the Frank Klausz video. Since I'm a "visual learner" there's plenty
of
illustrations and "NOTE!" text cautions when something critical might
be overlooked in an illustrative diagram. That stuff's here if you're
interested.

http://home.comcast.net/~charliebcz/...ilDrawer0.html

ANYWAY - I'm posting five pages of my draft instructions for your
review and comment, page 5 being under construction. As always,
comments, suggestions and constructive criticism will be appreciated.
With a few more sets of eyes going over them, holes or flat out errors
are more likely to be spotted - and hopefully corrected.

Not knowing enough to know if I shouldn't, I'm hollowing with a curved
skew and it seems to be pretty quick and easy - and so far no nasty
catches or spiral cuts like I've gotten with an Ellsworth Grind bowl
gouge. I've included illustrations of what I'm doing that hopefully
convey the method adequately.

What I'm shooting for is some web pages that can be downloaded -
for FREE -
printed, taken to the shop, followed and have the first experience
for a newbie to be an enjoyable and successful one. First attempt
failures often become the last attempt at something new. But
a success on the first try usually is the beginning of many more
of whatever you want to do, with refinements and variations
leading to some really nice stuff as experience is gained.

"Instructions" posted in alt.binaries.pictures.woodworking.

charlie b

charlie b wrote:


"Instructions" posted in alt.binaries.pictures.woodworking.

charlie b
Charlie this is excellent. One small error on page 2 you have a
"pating" tool .
Can't wait to see the rest. Good job!
Peter

Darrell Feltmate wrote:

Charlie
The instructions look clear to me. Essentially, you are using the skew
inside the box as a scraper. I like to turn most of the inside with a gouge
or hook tool, but what you are doing works well. Do you have a site to post
it later?
______
God bless and safe turning
Darrell Feltmate
Truro, NS, Canada
www.aroundthewoods.com

Darrell:

Thanks for your response - and your site.

The devil's in the details and what an experienced turner takes for
granted and assumes "everyone knows and isn't worth noting"
is what often is critical to a newbie. If you don't sand and finish
the inside of a turned box BEFORE you finish it's bottom you're
probably in for a lot of hand work later. If you make the lip on the
bottom part too long you're apt the break it when you chuck it up
with the jaws spreading out from the inside.

using a skew to hollow rather than a bowl gouge or hook tool,
The long point of the skew lets you position the point of contact
with the wood very precisely at the start of the plung cut into
the end grain. That's harder to do with a bowl gouge or hook tool.

The skew also works nicely at the transition from cutting (actually
scraping - as you noted) side grain to end grain. It can be swung
to create a round "corner" which the other tools can do, but it
can also create a square "corner" - which the other tools can't.

The one shortcoming of the skew in this application is that it
has depth limits. Three inches overhanging the tool rest is
about the limits of my comfort level. With a hollowing bowl
gouge, the steel is longer and beefier - as is the handle.

Yes, I have a woodworking site - but I've run up against my
storage space limits and Comcast isn't a very flexible ISP.
So in order to add something I have to remove something.
I may put some of my woodworking stuff up on my other
non-woodworking site. But I do want to put this "turned box"
stuff up on the web where it might make life a little easier
for other newbies.

Canchippy wrote:

Charlie this is excellent. One small error on page 2 you have a
"pating" tool .

Can't wait to see the rest. Good job!

Peter

Peter:

Thanks for taking the time to go through the instructions as
closely as you obviously did. I've fixed the "pating" typo on
page 2 so it now is "parting".

Walking that line between K.I.S.S. (Keep It Simple Stupid),
providing just the necessary information in the clearest,
cleanest, shortest form and hand holding the user through
the entire process down to the most minute detail is tough.
I thought I could do a set of "turned box" instructions in
a page or two with just illustrations but realized that some
text notes were necessary.

I want to have maybe 5 or 6 pages I can stick in a binder,
read through everything then pull a page, do what it says
and shows then go on to the next page. If the instructions
are good enough, when I get to the last page I should have
a turned box that is acceptable - no explsions, no flying
parts and no blood.

ANYONE ELSE WANT TO BE A BETA TESTER?

charlie b