My 4 year-old NuTool SDS+ unit has come to the end of it's useful life -
cracked nose section and failed rotate + hammer/hammer only selection
mechanism (it is locked in 'rotate + hammer' mode). The failed action
selection is not a terrible loss as you'll see below but the cracked
nose (or rather in bits nose cone now I have taken it apart!) is a show
stopper. As it cost all of £40 and was a 'not sure if I'll ever use
this but . . . ' purchase I can't complain.

It was a 650W model, so not hugely powerful, but adequate for everything
I did with it. It was annoying that the chuck rotated freely when in
hammer-mode only, i.e. chisel bits were able to follow the terrain - so
I rarely used it in hammer-only mode. The absence of a clutch
surprised me twice with severe wrist-frightening when the drill snagged
while drilling holes.

So, having found that I do use it I'd appreciate suggestions for a
replacement (bearing the two comments above in mind if possible).

Ideally the magic £100 is an upper limit but . . . .


TIA


Richard






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Richard wrote:
My 4 year-old NuTool SDS+ unit has come to the end of it's useful life -
cracked nose section and failed rotate + hammer/hammer only selection
mechanism (it is locked in 'rotate + hammer' mode). The failed action
selection is not a terrible loss as you'll see below but the cracked
nose (or rather in bits nose cone now I have taken it apart!) is a show
stopper. As it cost all of £40 and was a 'not sure if I'll ever use
this but . . . ' purchase I can't complain.

It was a 650W model, so not hugely powerful, but adequate for everything
I did with it. It was annoying that the chuck rotated freely when in
hammer-mode only, i.e. chisel bits were able to follow the terrain - so
I rarely used it in hammer-only mode. The absence of a clutch
surprised me twice with severe wrist-frightening when the drill snagged
while drilling holes.

So, having found that I do use it I'd appreciate suggestions for a
replacement (bearing the two comments above in mind if possible).

Ideally the magic £100 is an upper limit but . . . .

For a cheap but heavy machine the £45 Fraud from Screwfix is very meaty
(1100W - and a very necessary safety clutch) but particularly heavy (you
deffo wouldn't want it for chiselling tiles off a wall for example,
unless you were built like the governor of California :-). For a lighter
weight machine I'd consider the green Bosch (under £100 from Agros etc
last time I looked). I wasn't impressed with Sfx's Erbauer (and broke it
within less than a year).

John Stumbles wrote:


For a cheap but heavy machine the £45 Fraud from Screwfix is very meaty
(1100W - and a very necessary safety clutch) but particularly heavy (you
deffo wouldn't want it for chiselling tiles off a wall for example,
unless you were built like the governor of California :-). For a lighter
weight machine I'd consider the green Bosch (under £100 from Agros etc
last time I looked). I wasn't impressed with Sfx's Erbauer (and broke it
within less than a year).

Sounds good - I didn't do any tile stripping (wandering chisel bits) but
used a wondrous tool from Tiles R Us (or some such) which is a steel
plate a bit over tile sized with a sharp edge and chunk of steel on the
opposite edge attached to a handle. Basically a heavy scraper which
takes the tiles off as if they weren't attached.

Back to the drill - I'll take a peek at SFX. Aren't NGs brilliant!

Ta

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For a cheap but heavy machine the £45 Fraud from Screwfix is very meaty
(1100W - and a very necessary safety clutch) but particularly heavy (you
deffo wouldn't want it for chiselling tiles off a wall for example,
unless you were built like the governor of California :-). For a lighter
weight machine I'd consider the green Bosch (under £100 from Agros etc
last time I looked). I wasn't impressed with Sfx's Erbauer (and broke it
within less than a year).

Hi John

Just looked at SFX without success. I can only find super expensive
machines (apart from the Erbauer) and a Ferm version of mine at £29.99)

Has it been discontinued?

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Richard wrote:
John Stumbles wrote:



For a cheap but heavy machine the £45 Fraud from Screwfix is very
meaty (1100W - and a very necessary safety clutch) but particularly
heavy (you deffo wouldn't want it for chiselling tiles off a wall for
example, unless you were built like the governor of California :-).
For a lighter weight machine I'd consider the green Bosch (under £100
from Agros etc last time I looked). I wasn't impressed with Sfx's
Erbauer (and broke it within less than a year).


Hi John

Just looked at SFX without success. I can only find super expensive
machines (apart from the Erbauer) and a Ferm version of mine at £29.99)

Has it been discontinued?



http://www.screwfix.com/app/sfd/cat/pro.jsp?id=83854

It's on the back of the current (? spring 2005 - Vol 77) treeware
catalogue so I'd guess it's just out of stock

Richard wrote:
My 4 year-old NuTool SDS+ unit has come to the end of it's useful life -
cracked nose section and failed rotate + hammer/hammer only selection
mechanism (it is locked in 'rotate + hammer' mode). The failed action
selection is not a terrible loss as you'll see below but the cracked
nose (or rather in bits nose cone now I have taken it apart!) is a show
stopper. As it cost all of £40 and was a 'not sure if I'll ever use
this but . . . ' purchase I can't complain.

It was a 650W model, so not hugely powerful, but adequate for everything
I did with it. It was annoying that the chuck rotated freely when in
hammer-mode only, i.e. chisel bits were able to follow the terrain - so
I rarely used it in hammer-only mode. The absence of a clutch
surprised me twice with severe wrist-frightening when the drill snagged
while drilling holes.

So, having found that I do use it I'd appreciate suggestions for a
replacement (bearing the two comments above in mind if possible).

Ideally the magic £100 is an upper limit but . . . .


TIA


Richard

I've a similar Argos cheapo which is still going strong.... Although
I've been tempted by this
http://www.axminster.co.uk/product.a...sfile=1&jump=0

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Richard wrote:
My 4 year-old NuTool SDS+ unit has come to the end of it's useful life -
cracked nose section and failed rotate + hammer/hammer only selection
mechanism (it is locked in 'rotate + hammer' mode). The failed action
selection is not a terrible loss as you'll see below but the cracked
nose (or rather in bits nose cone now I have taken it apart!) is a show
stopper. As it cost all of £40 and was a 'not sure if I'll ever use
this but . . . ' purchase I can't complain.

It was a 650W model, so not hugely powerful, but adequate for everything
I did with it. It was annoying that the chuck rotated freely when in
hammer-mode only, i.e. chisel bits were able to follow the terrain - so
I rarely used it in hammer-only mode. The absence of a clutch
surprised me twice with severe wrist-frightening when the drill snagged
while drilling holes.

So, having found that I do use it I'd appreciate suggestions for a
replacement (bearing the two comments above in mind if possible).

Ideally the magic £100 is an upper limit but . . . .


TIA


Richard

I've a similar Argos cheapo which is still going strong.... Although
I've been tempted by this
http://www.axminster.co.uk/product.a...sfile=1&jump=0

Bosch? Give em a miss.


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Richard wrote:
My 4 year-old NuTool SDS+ unit has come to the end of it's useful
life -
cracked nose section and failed rotate + hammer/hammer only selection
mechanism (it is locked in 'rotate + hammer' mode). The failed action
selection is not a terrible loss as you'll see below but the cracked
nose (or rather in bits nose cone now I have taken it apart!) is a show
stopper. As it cost all of £40 and was a 'not sure if I'll ever use
this but . . . ' purchase I can't complain.

It was a 650W model, so not hugely powerful, but adequate for
everything
I did with it. It was annoying that the chuck rotated freely when in
hammer-mode only, i.e. chisel bits were able to follow the terrain - so
I rarely used it in hammer-only mode. The absence of a clutch
surprised me twice with severe wrist-frightening when the drill snagged
while drilling holes.

So, having found that I do use it I'd appreciate suggestions for a
replacement (bearing the two comments above in mind if possible).

Ideally the magic £100 is an upper limit but . . . .


TIA


Richard

I've a similar Argos cheapo which is still going strong.... Although
I've been tempted by this
http://www.axminster.co.uk/product.a...sfile=1&jump=0

Bosch? Give em a miss.

Don't take any notice, I use Bosch & Dewalt SDS drills nearly every day at
work, and out of the 2 the Bosch is much more durable. In fact I have had
one 110v Bosch SDS since 1993 thats 12 years and it still works fine. The
Dewalt is 18v SDS and had a new motor, new switch and is 2 years old. My
colleage has a 110v Makita that is around 8 years old and still working
fine. I am so happy with Bosch that I have just bought a new Swss made Bosch
GSB 18VE-2 this week.

So don't listen to Doctor Evil he has never used a decent power tool in his
life.

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"Doctor Evil" wrote in message
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"Old Bill" wrote in message
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Richard wrote:
My 4 year-old NuTool SDS+ unit has come to the end of it's useful
life -
cracked nose section and failed rotate + hammer/hammer only selection
mechanism (it is locked in 'rotate + hammer' mode). The failed action
selection is not a terrible loss as you'll see below but the cracked
nose (or rather in bits nose cone now I have taken it apart!) is a
show
stopper. As it cost all of £40 and was a 'not sure if I'll ever use
this but . . . ' purchase I can't complain.

It was a 650W model, so not hugely powerful, but adequate for
everything
I did with it. It was annoying that the chuck rotated freely when
in
hammer-mode only, i.e. chisel bits were able to follow the terrain -
so
I rarely used it in hammer-only mode. The absence of a clutch
surprised me twice with severe wrist-frightening when the drill
snagged
while drilling holes.

So, having found that I do use it I'd appreciate suggestions for a
replacement (bearing the two comments above in mind if possible).

Ideally the magic £100 is an upper limit but . . . .


TIA


Richard

I've a similar Argos cheapo which is still going strong.... Although
I've been tempted by this
http://www.axminster.co.uk/product.a...sfile=1&jump=0

Bosch? Give em a miss.

Don't take any notice, I use Bosch & Dewalt SDS drills nearly every day at
work, and out of the 2 the Bosch is much more durable. In fact I have had
one 110v Bosch SDS since 1993 thats 12 years and it still works fine. The
Dewalt is 18v SDS and had a new motor, new switch and is 2 years old. My
colleage has a 110v Makita that is around 8 years old and still working
fine. I am so happy with Bosch that I have just bought a new Swss made
Bosch
GSB 18VE-2 this week.

So don't listen to Doctor Evil he has never used a decent power tool in
his
life.

I have Bosch tools, Swiss made. They are overpriced crap, my experiences of
them in the past is the same. Give em a miss.


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Richard wrote:
My 4 year-old NuTool SDS+ unit has come to the end of it's useful
life -
cracked nose section and failed rotate + hammer/hammer only
selection
mechanism (it is locked in 'rotate + hammer' mode). The failed
action
selection is not a terrible loss as you'll see below but the cracked
nose (or rather in bits nose cone now I have taken it apart!) is a
show
stopper. As it cost all of £40 and was a 'not sure if I'll ever use
this but . . . ' purchase I can't complain.

It was a 650W model, so not hugely powerful, but adequate for
everything
I did with it. It was annoying that the chuck rotated freely when
in
hammer-mode only, i.e. chisel bits were able to follow the terrain -
so
I rarely used it in hammer-only mode. The absence of a clutch
surprised me twice with severe wrist-frightening when the drill
snagged
while drilling holes.

So, having found that I do use it I'd appreciate suggestions for a
replacement (bearing the two comments above in mind if possible).

Ideally the magic £100 is an upper limit but . . . .


TIA


Richard

I've a similar Argos cheapo which is still going strong.... Although
I've been tempted by this
http://www.axminster.co.uk/product.a...sfile=1&jump=0

Bosch? Give em a miss.

Don't take any notice, I use Bosch & Dewalt SDS drills nearly every day
at
work, and out of the 2 the Bosch is much more durable. In fact I have had
one 110v Bosch SDS since 1993 thats 12 years and it still works fine. The
Dewalt is 18v SDS and had a new motor, new switch and is 2 years old. My
colleage has a 110v Makita that is around 8 years old and still working
fine. I am so happy with Bosch that I have just bought a new Swss made
Bosch
GSB 18VE-2 this week.

So don't listen to Doctor Evil he has never used a decent power tool in
his
life.

I have Bosch tools, Swiss made. They are overpriced crap, my experiences
of
them in the past is the same. Give em a miss.


If you go in to any factory maintenance department you will find they use
Bosch or Metabo drills, very rarely anything else, so it speaks for its
self.

Doctor Evil wrote:

Bosch? Give em a miss.

Coming from him I'll take that as a first class recommednation.

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Bosch? Give em a miss.

Coming from him I'll take that as a first class recommednation.

For you. Buy one, no buy two. You need to buy two.


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Richard wrote:
My 4 year-old NuTool SDS+ unit has come to the end of it's useful life -
cracked nose section and failed rotate + hammer/hammer only selection
mechanism (it is locked in 'rotate + hammer' mode). The failed action
selection is not a terrible loss as you'll see below but the cracked
nose (or rather in bits nose cone now I have taken it apart!) is a show
stopper. As it cost all of £40 and was a 'not sure if I'll ever use
this but . . . ' purchase I can't complain.

It was a 650W model, so not hugely powerful, but adequate for everything
I did with it. It was annoying that the chuck rotated freely when in
hammer-mode only, i.e. chisel bits were able to follow the terrain - so
I rarely used it in hammer-only mode. The absence of a clutch
surprised me twice with severe wrist-frightening when the drill snagged
while drilling holes.

So, having found that I do use it I'd appreciate suggestions for a
replacement (bearing the two comments above in mind if possible).

Ideally the magic £100 is an upper limit but . . . .


TIA


Richard

I've a similar Argos cheapo which is still going strong.... Although
I've been tempted by this
http://www.axminster.co.uk/product.a...sfile=1&jump=0

Good choice, I've got a similar bosch, interchangable chucks seem a novelty
at first but are really useful. Probably the most complete drill to buy,
cant recomend it enough ( there's a 24 & a 26 , not sure on differance )

Regards Jeff

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wrote:

Good choice, I've got a similar bosch, interchangable chucks seem a novelty
at first

They have a big spring under them. So when you get your new toy, and
you pop the chuck off for the first time, don't have it pointing at
the tiled fireplace hearth...

Old Bill wrote:



I've a similar Argos cheapo which is still going strong.... Although
I've been tempted by this
http://www.axminster.co.uk/product.a...sfile=1&jump=0


This is ever so tempting.

http://www.axminster.co.uk/product.asp?pf_id=222942

Views please.

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Old Bill wrote:



I've a similar Argos cheapo which is still going strong.... Although
I've been tempted by this
http://www.axminster.co.uk/product.a...sfile=1&jump=0


This is ever so tempting.

http://www.axminster.co.uk/product.asp?pf_id=222942

Views please.

looks like a good deal to me, I have the one with swappable chucks and am
very happy with it (not sure about your clutch criteria ) go to your local
tool shop to get a feel of it ask him to price match or buy off net

Regards Jeff

Jeff wrote:




looks like a good deal to me, I have the one with swappable chucks and am
very happy with it (not sure about your clutch criteria ) go to your local
tool shop to get a feel of it ask him to price match or buy off net

Regards Jeff



Hi Jeff,

Do you find the varilock system useful? It's interesting that the 24DFR
has this whereas the 26DRE does not. I found the wandering chisel in
my (dead) machine sufficiently irritating that I tried only once to use
it for channel chasing and gave up and used a bolster! But then how
often do I do wiring chases (not ever post-Part P, officer!!). Joking
apart; I have a TCT bit for my angle grinder that makes near perfect
chases far easier than a whacking great SDS+ drill about ever managed.

In what way are you not sure about clutches?

Regards

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Richard wrote :-

Do you find the varilock system useful? It's interesting that the 24DFR
has this whereas the 26DRE does not.

scroll down my friend ;-)

quote (off your link) - When chiseling, the vario-lock position on the
function selector allows a choice of the most effective chisel angle, before
locking the tool in hammer-only mode.


In what way are you not sure about clutches?

wether it has one or not

Regards Jeff

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So, having found that I do use it I'd appreciate suggestions for a
replacement (bearing the two comments above in mind if possible).

Ideally the magic £100 is an upper limit but . . . .

Still reckon the daddy of the medium price ones is the DeWalt 566. It's
about the perfect weight/size/power compromise for general DIY use. Not
too heavy for chasing walls, etc, and it has a variable position rotation
stop. Mine is an early one and had a deal of use, but given no trouble.
There are some suggestions that quality control may not be so good these
days, though. 135 squids from Screwfix.

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In article ,
Richard wrote:
So, having found that I do use it I'd appreciate suggestions for a
replacement (bearing the two comments above in mind if possible).

Ideally the magic £100 is an upper limit but . . . .

Still reckon the daddy of the medium price ones is the DeWalt 566.

It's garbage, when for about the same, and less, price a Makita from
Screwfix and Hitachi from BES are available.



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Still reckon the daddy of the medium price ones is the DeWalt 566.

It's garbage, when for about the same, and less, price a Makita from
Screwfix and Hitachi from BES are available.

Which one of these do you own?

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Still reckon the daddy of the medium price ones is the DeWalt 566.

It's garbage, when for about the same, and less, price a Makita from
Screwfix and Hitachi from BES are available.

Which one of these do you own?

He don't own any of them. The only tools he owns is what he finds out the
back of Wickes in the skip.

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Doctor Evil wrote:
Still reckon the daddy of the medium price ones is the DeWalt 566.

It's garbage, when for about the same, and less, price a Makita from
Screwfix and Hitachi from BES are available.

Which one of these do you own?

He don't own any of them. The only tools he owns is what he finds out the
back of Wickes in the skip.

I wish I could.


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Still reckon the daddy of the medium price ones is the DeWalt 566.

It's garbage, when for about the same, and less, price a Makita from
Screwfix and Hitachi from BES are available.

Which one of these do you own?

A Kress, which are also available quite reasonably from Wickes at around
£105-110 and approx 600W and a 3 year guarantee too. A class act. Kress are
repairable if that appeals, not throw away like in the DIY sheds. DeWalt?
You are having a laugh.




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Still reckon the daddy of the medium price ones is the DeWalt 566.

It's garbage, when for about the same, and less, price a Makita from
Screwfix and Hitachi from BES are available.

Which one of these do you own?

A Kress, which are also available quite reasonably from Wickes at around
£105-110 and approx 600W and a 3 year guarantee too. A class act. Kress
are repairable if that appeals, not throw away like in the DIY sheds.

So you don't own a DeWalt, Makita, or Hitachi, but pronounce on them?

More quoting adverts, fool?

DeWalt? You are having a laugh.

I'm certainly not. If I recommend anything in this group it's because I've
owned it and used it, but will try and qualify that recommendation with
the use I give it. I take adverts for what they are - mostly lies. You
really should try and do the same. Fat chance.

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"Richard" wrote in message
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My 4 year-old NuTool SDS+ unit has come to the end of it's useful life -
cracked nose section and failed rotate + hammer/hammer only selection
mechanism (it is locked in 'rotate + hammer' mode). The failed action
selection is not a terrible loss as you'll see below but the cracked
nose (or rather in bits nose cone now I have taken it apart!) is a show
stopper. As it cost all of £40 and was a 'not sure if I'll ever use
this but . . . ' purchase I can't complain.

It was a 650W model, so not hugely powerful, but adequate for everything
I did with it. It was annoying that the chuck rotated freely when in
hammer-mode only, i.e. chisel bits were able to follow the terrain - so
I rarely used it in hammer-only mode. The absence of a clutch
surprised me twice with severe wrist-frightening when the drill snagged
while drilling holes.

So, having found that I do use it I'd appreciate suggestions for a
replacement (bearing the two comments above in mind if possible).

Ideally the magic £100 is an upper limit but . . . .

The choice is huge now. At the lower end Argos Extreme for £40. Makita for
£120, similar with Hitachi. Ryobi make a good one for £80 in SFX. Wickes
have two re-badged Kress machine from £110 - £150, with 3 year guarantees;
good deals. The £110 one is now over 600w and has an excellent pedigree,
being made for 10 years plus now.




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The choice is huge now. At the lower end Argos Extreme for £40. Makita for
£120, similar with Hitachi. Ryobi make a good one for £80 in SFX. Wickes
have two re-badged Kress machine from £110 - £150, with 3 year guarantees;
good deals. The £110 one is now over 600w and has an excellent pedigree,
being made for 10 years plus now.


Thanks for all contributions

In the end I ordered on of these (the Makita HR2450X)

http://www.lawson-his.co.uk/scripts/...hisel%20Drills

It should arrive Monday or Tuesday. I'll post some feedback to a new
thread if anyone is interested.

Regards

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Doctor Evil wrote:


The choice is huge now. At the lower end Argos Extreme for £40. Makita
for
£120, similar with Hitachi. Ryobi make a good one for £80 in SFX.
Wickes
have two re-badged Kress machine from £110 - £150, with 3 year
guarantees;
good deals. The £110 one is now over 600w and has an excellent
pedigree,
being made for 10 years plus now.


Thanks for all contributions

In the end I ordered on of these (the Makita HR2450X)


http://www.lawson-his.co.uk/scripts/...hisel%20Drills

It should arrive Monday or Tuesday. I'll post some feedback to a new
thread if anyone is interested.

Good deal when you consider the extras they throw in. The chuck is not
removable I assume. Just clip-in the keyless into the SDS chuck.

I would have gone for the Kress simply because of the 3 yr guarantee. Anyone
who rates their products for 3 years must make a decent product.




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I would have gone for the Kress simply because of the 3 yr guarantee.
Anyone who rates their products for 3 years must make a decent product.

Or expect the majority of buyers not to use it very much.

Is it an unconditional warranty?

It could also just be a clever marketing move. Those Kress tools aren't at
bargain basement prices, so that price might include the cost of the
warranty.

Others like John Lewis do simlar - a five year warranty on all the TVs
they sell.

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Doctor Evil wrote:

I sensibly said.....

I would have gone for the Kress
simply because of the 3 yr guarantee.
Anyone who rates their products for 3
years must make a decent product.

.....................then our resident DIY caber person said.....

Or expect the majority of buyers not to use it very much.

......yes he did actually say that.......a pro toll that tradesmen keep at
home and don't use...yes he believes this.. ..

Is it an unconditional warranty?

.....shock, horror!!!!!!! A sensible question.....yes I know you don't
believe this...it is actually sensible...

....then, well I had to snip it so you would not have to read such
drivel.......... he spoils it all. Well a false start no doubt...and after
all the expectations. Obviously just a blip.




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"Richard" wrote in message
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Doctor Evil wrote:


The choice is huge now. At the lower end Argos Extreme for £40. Makita
for
£120, similar with Hitachi. Ryobi make a good one for £80 in SFX.
Wickes
have two re-badged Kress machine from £110 - £150, with 3 year
guarantees;
good deals. The £110 one is now over 600w and has an excellent
pedigree,
being made for 10 years plus now.


Thanks for all contributions

In the end I ordered on of these (the Makita HR2450X)


http://www.lawson-his.co.uk/scripts/...hisel%20Drills

It should arrive Monday or Tuesday. I'll post some feedback to a new
thread if anyone is interested.

Good deal when you consider the extras they throw in. The chuck is not
removable I assume. Just clip-in the keyless into the SDS chuck.

I would have gone for the Kress simply because of the 3 yr guarantee.
Anyone
who rates their products for 3 years must make a decent product.

"3 year guarantee" You mean like the PPPro suff from B&Q?

In article ,
Kaiser wrote:
I would have gone for the Kress simply because of the 3 yr guarantee.
Anyone
who rates their products for 3 years must make a decent product.


"3 year guarantee" You mean like the PPPro suff from B&Q?

Isn't the PPPro one conditional? Ie, if you do actually use it as a 'pro'
tool, it's only one year?

Of course, anything with 'pro' in its name means it's anything but...

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Dave Plowman London SW
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In article , Doctor Evil
writes

"Richard" wrote in message
...
Doctor Evil wrote:


The choice is huge now. At the lower end Argos Extreme for £40. Makita
for
£120, similar with Hitachi. Ryobi make a good one for £80 in SFX.
Wickes
have two re-badged Kress machine from £110 - £150, with 3 year
guarantees;
good deals. The £110 one is now over 600w and has an excellent
pedigree,
being made for 10 years plus now.


Thanks for all contributions

In the end I ordered on of these (the Makita HR2450X)


http://www.lawson-his.co.uk/scripts/...hisel%20Drills

It should arrive Monday or Tuesday. I'll post some feedback to a new
thread if anyone is interested.

Good deal when you consider the extras they throw in. The chuck is not
removable I assume. Just clip-in the keyless into the SDS chuck.

I would have gone for the Kress simply because of the 3 yr guarantee. Anyone
who rates their products for 3 years must make a decent product.

Not necessarily John, it can be a marketing decision based on how many
you think are going to fail and out of them how many people will be
bothered to bring them back in that 3 year period
--
David

wrote in message
...
In article , Doctor Evil
writes

"Richard" wrote in message
...
Doctor Evil wrote:


The choice is huge now. At the lower end Argos Extreme for £40.
Makita
for
£120, similar with Hitachi. Ryobi make a good one for £80 in SFX.
Wickes
have two re-badged Kress machine from £110 - £150, with 3 year
guarantees;
good deals. The £110 one is now over 600w and has an excellent
pedigree,
being made for 10 years plus now.


Thanks for all contributions

In the end I ordered on of these (the Makita HR2450X)



http://www.lawson-his.co.uk/scripts/...hisel%20Drills

It should arrive Monday or Tuesday. I'll post some feedback to a new
thread if anyone is interested.

Good deal when you consider the extras they throw in. The chuck is not
removable I assume. Just clip-in the keyless into the SDS chuck.

I would have gone for the Kress simply because of the 3 yr guarantee.
Anyone
who rates their products for 3 years must make a decent product.

Not necessarily John, it can be a marketing decision based on how many
you think are going to fail and out of them how many people will be
bothered to bring them back in that 3 year period

Bertie, it's a pro drill. It does not cost £20. If it fails they "will"
take it back. And they pay to fix it.


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