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Andy Hall wrote:
On Mon, 07 Mar 2005 23:05:03 +0000 (GMT), "Dave Plowman (News)"
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In article ,
Rod Hewitt wrote:
Recently 'acquired' a grey Wickes jigsaw. Draper. Not, in my opinion,
either a pro maker or re-labeller. (Actually, better than I expected.)

I'd always thought Draper made nothing, but simply re-labelled other's
stuff?


They do.

If you thought that switching credit cards made one a rate tart, this
is definitely a case of tool pie.....

as it were...

I'm *totally* lost. :-)

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On Mon, 7 Mar 2005 10:20:50 -0000, in uk.d-i-y "Doctor Evil"
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On Sun, 06 Mar 2005 09:33:35 +0000 (GMT), in uk.d-i-y "Dave Plowman
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In article ,
Doctor Evil wrote:
The average DIYer is better off with mains drill with torque control
for
driving. In most cases a socket is handy. Then no problem of
batteries
going kaput and change the whole tool. Unfortunately these tools are
not
cheap, but something you may have for 20 plus years, so not that bad.

Now that *is* sense. Cordless drills seem very attractive at first
thought, but in practice for intermittent DIY use are likely to be a
pain.
And at about the same money, a mains drill will out perform a cordless
one
every time.

.... for drilling. But a cordless is invaluable for screw driving.

!invaluable", a bit more convenient you mean.

Coo, English lessons from dimm. That's me told then. Hahahahah.

A mains driver will
outperform a battery driver. I was screwing in about 200 6" screws. The 12v
would not look at them. What I did it was use the SDS with a driver bit in.
The very slow speed and high torque meant the srews went in no problem.

Watch you don't snap them off.

Also, when screwing down floorboards with 2.5" screws, the 12v Bosch could
only just manage. Some screws needed a mains drill on them to get them home.

If you pilot drilled first you would not have that problem. A cheap
cordless will then wizz them in on high speed, and of course slowed down
for the last couple of turns. As already said, with two cordless drills,
you can drill the pilots with one and drive with t'other.

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On Mon, 7 Mar 2005 09:58:17 -0000, in uk.d-i-y "Jeff"
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Phil Addison wrote :-

Don't know if its just my cheapie, but once you swap the sds chuck for a
keyless, you loose the hammer. This means there is not much point if you
have a normal electric drill as well.

I don't have another mains drill, but why on earth would you want normal
hammer when you have sds ?

It's historical. Folk buy mains hammer drills first. They later get an
sds, and hey presto, they then have both.

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In article ,
Phil Addison wrote:
I don't have another mains drill, but why on earth would you want
normal hammer when you have sds ?

It's historical. Folk buy mains hammer drills first. They later get an
sds, and hey presto, they then have both.

Hammer wasn't around when I got my first drill - a blue B&D. Oh - it still
works fine. Although I did have it reconditioned about 30 years ago. :-)

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Rod Hewitt wrote:
Recently 'acquired' a grey Wickes jigsaw. Draper. Not, in my opinion,
either a pro maker or re-labeller. (Actually, better than I expected.)

I'd always thought Draper made nothing, but simply re-labelled other's
stuff?

They brand a very expensive SDS.



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On Mon, 7 Mar 2005 10:20:50 -0000, in uk.d-i-y "Doctor Evil"
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"Phil Addison" wrote in message
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On Sun, 06 Mar 2005 09:33:35 +0000 (GMT), in uk.d-i-y "Dave Plowman
(News)" wrote:

In article ,
Doctor Evil wrote:
The average DIYer is better off with mains drill with torque
control
for
driving. In most cases a socket is handy. Then no problem of
batteries
going kaput and change the whole tool. Unfortunately these tools
are
not
cheap, but something you may have for 20 plus years, so not that
bad.

Now that *is* sense. Cordless drills seem very attractive at first
thought, but in practice for intermittent DIY use are likely to be a
pain.
And at about the same money, a mains drill will out perform a
cordless
one
every time.

.... for drilling. But a cordless is invaluable for screw driving.

!invaluable", a bit more convenient you mean.

Coo, English lessons from dimm. That's me told then. Hahahahah.

Dim Lin, the Oriental enchantress, is an expert on the fine art of Oriental
languages. The cheek of it!



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In article ,
Doctor Evil wrote:
I'd always thought Draper made nothing, but simply re-labelled other's
stuff?

They brand a very expensive SDS.

That's one of their main problems. Because they make nothing, their
quality is very variable, even on hand tools.

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Andy Hall wrote in
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No. It means that Isaac Lord recently went to the Woodworking Show
at Alexandra Palace and had a selection of promotional products from
Bosch.

You need to look at models and prices.

Truth to tell, I didn't even notice what sort of device it was! Just went
ding-ding in my head afterwards that it was green but said Pro. In the
trade dept. they don't have many tools on display - mostly hinges, handles,
kitchen fittings, etc.

I had to look at the tearful experience of negotiating the north
London traffic on a Friday. It was challenging, even without a blue
light extravaganza on the A1/A406 confluence.....

I do my best to avoid. Luckily, I would virtually always be going
towards London at busy times. Seems easier than getting out.

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