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Bare boards in bathroom
I'm thinking of just sanding and varnishing the existing floorboards
in the bathroom of my victorian house. Is this a good idea in a room which is going to have high levels of humidity? Could the boards warp or get spoilt by water? Anyone done this who can reassure me that I won't regret it? |
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"Martin Pentreath" wrote in message om... I'm thinking of just sanding and varnishing the existing floorboards in the bathroom of my victorian house. Is this a good idea in a room which is going to have high levels of humidity? Could the boards warp or get spoilt by water? Anyone done this who can reassure me that I won't regret it? I always wonder why people say that bathrooms have high humidity. In our experience (including thirty years when we had up to five children) our bathroom hasn't been especially humid - except during and for say half an hour after someone has a bath or shower. Certainly the floor has never shown any warping. The compost in the plantpots dry out as quickly as everywhere else in the house. The floorboards are there all the time even if covered. It could be argued that they have a more constant level of humidity if covered than if open. I know lots of people with old houses and bare, painted or varnished floors in their bathrooms. None of them are warped. Not even the people. Mary |
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"Mike" wrote in message ... "Martin Pentreath" wrote in message om... I'm thinking of just sanding and varnishing the existing floorboards in the bathroom of my victorian house. Is this a good idea in a room which is going to have high levels of humidity? Could the boards warp or get spoilt by water? Anyone done this who can reassure me that I won't regret it? You'll regret it. Oh come on! It's silly to make a bald statement like that without giving reasons. Why would he regret it? and how do you know? He might be made of sterner stuff than you ;-) I've never known anyone who's regretted it. Mary |
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"Martin Pentreath" wrote in message om... I'm thinking of just sanding and varnishing the existing floorboards in the bathroom of my victorian house. Is this a good idea in a room which is going to have high levels of humidity? Could the boards warp or get spoilt by water? Anyone done this who can reassure me that I won't regret it? You'll regret it. |
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Andy Dingley wrote:
No, because of the difficulty of sealing _between_ the boards, mainly because of spills. I think that would be my first concern, without adequate sealing between the baords any spilt water is in danger of finding its way to the lath and plaster ceiling below in very short order. -- Cheers, John. /================================================== ===============\ | Internode Ltd - http://www.internode.co.uk | |-----------------------------------------------------------------| | John Rumm - john(at)internode(dot)co(dot)uk | \================================================= ================/ |
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Andy Dingley wrote:
It was somewhere outside Barstow when (Martin Pentreath) wrote: snip actual answer Out of curiosity and not related to the op's question, *BUT* why did you precede the op's question with "It was somewhere outside..." blah blah bollox? You are the second person that i notice does this. |
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"Mary Fisher" wrote in message et... "Mike" wrote in message ... "Martin Pentreath" wrote in message om... I'm thinking of just sanding and varnishing the existing floorboards in the bathroom of my victorian house. Is this a good idea in a room which is going to have high levels of humidity? Could the boards warp or get spoilt by water? Anyone done this who can reassure me that I won't regret it? You'll regret it. Oh come on! It's silly to make a bald statement like that without giving reasons. Why would he regret it? and how do you know? He might be made of sterner stuff than you ;-) I've never known anyone who's regretted it. I regretted it (what are we talking about?) |
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Mary Fisher sent this:
I always wonder why people say that bathrooms have high humidity. In our experience (including thirty years when we had up to five children) our bathroom hasn't been especially humid - 30s house ? nice big airvent on barthroom wall ? -- Mark |
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"Ric" wrote in message ... "Mary Fisher" wrote in message et... "Mike" wrote in message ... "Martin Pentreath" wrote in message om... I'm thinking of just sanding and varnishing the existing floorboards in the bathroom of my victorian house. Is this a good idea in a room which is going to have high levels of humidity? Could the boards warp or get spoilt by water? Anyone done this who can reassure me that I won't regret it? You'll regret it. Oh come on! It's silly to make a bald statement like that without giving reasons. Why would he regret it? and how do you know? He might be made of sterner stuff than you ;-) I've never known anyone who's regretted it. I regretted it That doesn't mean that wossisname will. (what are we talking about?) Don't ask me. You'll only regret it. Mary |
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"Mark" wrote in message ... Mary Fisher sent this: I always wonder why people say that bathrooms have high humidity. In our experience (including thirty years when we had up to five children) our bathroom hasn't been especially humid - 30s house ? nice big airvent on barthroom wall ? Nothing special, just the usual - looks about 10"square. No fan. No opening window. Mary -- Mark |
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Mary Fisher sent this:
"Mark" wrote in message ... Mary Fisher sent this: I always wonder why people say that bathrooms have high humidity. In our experience (including thirty years when we had up to five children) our bathroom hasn't been especially humid - 30s house ? nice big airvent on barthroom wall ? Nothing special, just the usual - looks about 10"square. Which would be about 10" bigger then most houses have :-) -- Mark |
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"Mark" wrote in message ... Mary Fisher sent this: "Mark" wrote in message ... Mary Fisher sent this: I always wonder why people say that bathrooms have high humidity. In our experience (including thirty years when we had up to five children) our bathroom hasn't been especially humid - 30s house ? nice big airvent on barthroom wall ? Nothing special, just the usual - looks about 10"square. Which would be about 10" bigger then most houses have :-) I thought it was a legal requirement in rooms without a fireplace? Mary -- Mark |
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"Mary Fisher" wrote in message et... "Ric" wrote in message ... "Mary Fisher" wrote in message et... "Mike" wrote in message ... "Martin Pentreath" wrote in message om... I'm thinking of just sanding and varnishing the existing floorboards in the bathroom of my victorian house. Is this a good idea in a room which is going to have high levels of humidity? Could the boards warp or get spoilt by water? Anyone done this who can reassure me that I won't regret it? You'll regret it. Oh come on! It's silly to make a bald statement like that without giving reasons. Why would he regret it? and how do you know? He might be made of sterner stuff than you ;-) I've never known anyone who's regretted it. I regretted it That doesn't mean that wossisname will. (what are we talking about?) Don't ask me. You'll only regret it. Mary What was the question? Ah yes. I have just painted the boards in my bathroom (which is the world's smallest but has an extractor fan when the light's on but which faces north with a solid wall). I also have long-showering overspring (well one is). Why not paint or varnish the boards? - if it doesn't work or suit you just cover over them. It must be the cheapest and most non-invasive thing to do. (I think they look nice painted myself, but then, I would). I can't see on what grounds, therefore, anyone would regret it even if they did do something else later. -- Bob Mannix (anti-spam is as easy as 1-2-3 - not) |
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"Mary Fisher" wrote in message et... "Bob Mannix" wrote in message ... "Martin Pentreath" wrote in message om... I'm thinking of just sanding and varnishing the existing floorboards in the bathroom of my victorian house. Is this a good idea in a room which is going to have high levels of humidity? Could the boards warp or get spoilt by water? Anyone done this who can reassure me that I won't regret it? You'll regret it. Oh come on! It's silly to make a bald statement like that without giving reasons. Why would he regret it? and how do you know? He might be made of sterner stuff than you ;-) I've never known anyone who's regretted it. I regretted it That doesn't mean that wossisname will. (what are we talking about?) Don't ask me. You'll only regret it. Mary What was the question? Ah yes. I have just painted the boards in my bathroom (which is the world's smallest but has an extractor fan when the light's on but which faces north with a solid wall). I also have long-showering overspring (well one is). Why not paint or varnish the boards? - if it doesn't work or suit you just cover over them. It must be the cheapest and most non-invasive thing to do. (I think they look nice painted myself, but then, I would). I can't see on what grounds, therefore, anyone would regret it even if they did do something else later. I agree. With everything. Damn ;o) Make the most of it. Eee you're a hard woman -- Bob Mannix (anti-spam is as easy as 1-2-3 - not) |
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"Bob Mannix" wrote in message ... "Martin Pentreath" wrote in message om... I'm thinking of just sanding and varnishing the existing floorboards in the bathroom of my victorian house. Is this a good idea in a room which is going to have high levels of humidity? Could the boards warp or get spoilt by water? Anyone done this who can reassure me that I won't regret it? You'll regret it. Oh come on! It's silly to make a bald statement like that without giving reasons. Why would he regret it? and how do you know? He might be made of sterner stuff than you ;-) I've never known anyone who's regretted it. I regretted it That doesn't mean that wossisname will. (what are we talking about?) Don't ask me. You'll only regret it. Mary What was the question? Ah yes. I have just painted the boards in my bathroom (which is the world's smallest but has an extractor fan when the light's on but which faces north with a solid wall). I also have long-showering overspring (well one is). Why not paint or varnish the boards? - if it doesn't work or suit you just cover over them. It must be the cheapest and most non-invasive thing to do. (I think they look nice painted myself, but then, I would). I can't see on what grounds, therefore, anyone would regret it even if they did do something else later. I agree. With everything. Make the most of it. Mary |
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"Bob Mannix" wrote in message ... .... I agree. With everything. Damn ;o) Make the most of it. Eee you're a hard woman I know. Chortle - it always works! MAry -- Bob Mannix (anti-spam is as easy as 1-2-3 - not) |
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It was somewhere outside Barstow when Cuprager
wrote: Out of curiosity and not related to the op's question, *BUT* why did you precede the op's question with "It was somewhere outside..." Hunter S Thomson. Read "Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas" and you'll understand. He won't, because as of last week, he's dead. |
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On Tue, 1 Mar 2005 19:23:02 -0700, "Mike" wrote:
"Mary Fisher" wrote in message . net... I'm thinking of just sanding and varnishing the existing floorboards in the bathroom of my victorian house. Is this a good idea in a room which is going to have high levels of humidity? Could the boards warp or get spoilt by water? Anyone done this who can reassure me that I won't regret it? You'll regret it. Oh come on! It's silly to make a bald statement like that without giving reasons. Why would he regret it? and how do you know? He might be made of sterner stuff than you ;-) I've never known anyone who's regretted it. Then you're obviously not heavily involved in the preservation and renovation of old houses. This fashion fad of sanding floors is doing massive damage to our housing infrastructure and is exactly what the government should be concentrating on banning rather than making upgrading the electrics difficult. As a carpenter of 30 years standingf I'd say ********. Sanding and stripping(caustic) are certainly damaging, but modern materials can overcome the perceived problems. Sand your bathroom floor by all means - then finish it with Danish oil. Read the instructionsd, do it properly, and you'll never regret it. |
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"Mike" wrote in message ... "Mary Fisher" wrote in message et... I'm thinking of just sanding and varnishing the existing floorboards in the bathroom of my victorian house. Is this a good idea in a room which is going to have high levels of humidity? Could the boards warp or get spoilt by water? Anyone done this who can reassure me that I won't regret it? You'll regret it. Oh come on! It's silly to make a bald statement like that without giving reasons. Why would he regret it? and how do you know? He might be made of sterner stuff than you ;-) I've never known anyone who's regretted it. Then you're obviously not heavily involved in the preservation and renovation of old houses. That's true. But even if I were it wouldn't follow that the OP would regret sanding and varnishing his bathroom floor. This fashion fad of sanding floors is doing massive damage to our housing infrastructure and is exactly what the government should be concentrating on banning rather than making upgrading the electrics difficult. Sanding doesn't take much off the infrastructure of a house! I agree that Our Glorious Leader might just possibly have overstepped his nannyism with Parts A - Z but please don't give him the idea of banning sanding. He's banned enough, we're not going to have any pleasures left :-( Mary |
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"Pete" wrote in message news On Tue, 1 Mar 2005 19:23:02 -0700, "Mike" wrote: "Mary Fisher" wrote in message .net... I'm thinking of just sanding and varnishing the existing floorboards in the bathroom of my victorian house. Is this a good idea in a room which is going to have high levels of humidity? Could the boards warp or get spoilt by water? Anyone done this who can reassure me that I won't regret it? You'll regret it. As a carpenter of 30 years standingf I'd say ********. Sanding and stripping(caustic) are certainly damaging, but modern materials can overcome the perceived problems. Sand your bathroom floor by all means - then finish it with Danish oil. Read the instructionsd, do it properly, and you'll never regret it. Hurrah! Mary |
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"Pete" wrote in message news I'm thinking of just sanding and varnishing the existing floorboards in the bathroom of my victorian house. Is this a good idea in a room which is going to have high levels of humidity? Could the boards warp or get spoilt by water? Anyone done this who can reassure me that I won't regret it? You'll regret it. I've never known anyone who's regretted it. Then you're obviously not heavily involved in the preservation and renovation of old houses. This fashion fad of sanding floors is doing massive damage to our housing infrastructure and is exactly what the government should be concentrating on banning rather than making upgrading the electrics difficult. As a carpenter of 30 years standingf I'd say ********. Sanding and stripping(caustic) are certainly damaging, but modern materials can overcome the perceived problems. What "modern material" can put back the often several millimeters of wood that some amateurs remove ? And what do you do next time ? Eventually there is no wood left. Fortunately such work IS prohibited in listed buildings and IMO should be in all properties older than say 1900. |
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"Mike" wrote in message ... "Pete" wrote in message news I'm thinking of just sanding and varnishing the existing floorboards in the bathroom of my victorian house. Is this a good idea in a room which is going to have high levels of humidity? Could the boards warp or get spoilt by water? Anyone done this who can reassure me that I won't regret it? You'll regret it. I've never known anyone who's regretted it. Then you're obviously not heavily involved in the preservation and renovation of old houses. This fashion fad of sanding floors is doing massive damage to our housing infrastructure and is exactly what the government should be concentrating on banning rather than making upgrading the electrics difficult. As a carpenter of 30 years standingf I'd say ********. Sanding and stripping(caustic) are certainly damaging, but modern materials can overcome the perceived problems. What "modern material" can put back the often several millimeters of wood that some amateurs remove ? And what do you do next time ? Eventually there is no wood left. How often are they going to remove several millimetres? I think you're OTT. Fortunately such work IS prohibited in listed buildings and IMO should be in all properties older than say 1900. Will you be saying the same in 2105 about all properties older than say 2000? Assuming you or your ilk are still around. Mary |
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"Mary Fisher" wrote in message news:4224ecff$0$2653 I'm thinking of just sanding and varnishing the existing floorboards in the bathroom of my victorian house. Is this a good idea in a room which is going to have high levels of humidity? Could the boards warp or get spoilt by water? Anyone done this who can reassure me that I won't regret it? You'll regret it. I've never known anyone who's regretted it. Then you're obviously not heavily involved in the preservation and renovation of old houses. This fashion fad of sanding floors is doing massive damage to our housing infrastructure and is exactly what the government should be concentrating on banning rather than making upgrading the electrics difficult. As a carpenter of 30 years standingf I'd say ********. Sanding and stripping(caustic) are certainly damaging, but modern materials can overcome the perceived problems. What "modern material" can put back the often several millimeters of wood that some amateurs remove ? And what do you do next time ? Eventually there is no wood left. How often are they going to remove several millimetres? Once is one too many I think you're OTT. Nonsense. Failing to preserve our buildings is a national disgrace. Fortunately such work IS prohibited in listed buildings and IMO should be in all properties older than say 1900. Will you be saying the same in 2105 about all properties older than say 2000? Doubt if any from now will be worth saving but if they are then yes. |
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On Tue, 1 Mar 2005 22:45:05 -0000, "Mike" wrote:
"Mary Fisher" wrote in message news:4224ecff$0$2653 I'm thinking of just sanding and varnishing the existing floorboards in the bathroom of my victorian house. Is this a good idea in a room which is going to have high levels of humidity? Could the boards warp or get spoilt by water? Anyone done this who can reassure me that I won't regret it? You'll regret it. I've never known anyone who's regretted it. Then you're obviously not heavily involved in the preservation and renovation of old houses. This fashion fad of sanding floors is doing massive damage to our housing infrastructure and is exactly what the government should be concentrating on banning rather than making upgrading the electrics difficult. As a carpenter of 30 years standingf I'd say ********. Sanding and stripping(caustic) are certainly damaging, but modern materials can overcome the perceived problems. What "modern material" can put back the often several millimeters of wood that some amateurs remove ? And what do you do next time ? Eventually there is no wood left. How often are they going to remove several millimetres? Once is one too many I think you're OTT. Nonsense. Failing to preserve our buildings is a national disgrace. Fortunately such work IS prohibited in listed buildings and IMO should be in all properties older than say 1900. Will you be saying the same in 2105 about all properties older than say 2000? Doubt if any from now will be worth saving but if they are then yes. Oh dear. I despair/. The point about any good building aterial is that it is renewable. A carpenter inj the 1890s would have done the best he could; he wouldn't have expected his job to last forever. And our job now is not to slavishly preserve the past but to invooke its spirit.; 2 mm and danish oil will do that. The next generation and the one after that - who knows? But for the next 20 years - sand the crap off, get back to lovely wood, and defend it as best we can. |
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"Pete" wrote in message ... Oh dear. I despair/. The point about any good building aterial is that it is renewable. A carpenter inj the 1890s would have done the best he could; he wouldn't have expected his job to last forever. And our job now is not to slavishly preserve the past but to invooke its spirit.; 2 mm and danish oil will do that. The next generation and the one after that - who knows? But for the next 20 years - sand the crap off, get back to lovely wood, and defend it as best we can. I think any conservation officers reading this are despairing of your comments right now. Do what you propose on any listed building or one in certain conservation areas and you'll be quite rightly prosecuted. If you want a shiny wood finish lay new boards over the old ones to preserve the original as is. |
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It was somewhere outside Barstow when "Mike" wrote:
This fashion fad of sanding floors is doing massive damage to our housing infrastructure There's a little tear in your hat and the bogon flux is leaking in again. I've sanded loads of floors. I've removed more timber from them by pulling out rotted boards entire than I've ever taken off the top by sanding. Why don't you ban dry rot first ? |
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It was somewhere outside Barstow when "Mary Fisher"
wrote: I thought it was a legal requirement in rooms without a fireplace? Doesn't mean they've got them... |
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"Mary Fisher" wrote in message et... I'm thinking of just sanding and varnishing the existing floorboards in the bathroom of my victorian house. Is this a good idea in a room which is going to have high levels of humidity? Could the boards warp or get spoilt by water? Anyone done this who can reassure me that I won't regret it? You'll regret it. Oh come on! It's silly to make a bald statement like that without giving reasons. Why would he regret it? and how do you know? He might be made of sterner stuff than you ;-) I've never known anyone who's regretted it. Then you're obviously not heavily involved in the preservation and renovation of old houses. This fashion fad of sanding floors is doing massive damage to our housing infrastructure and is exactly what the government should be concentrating on banning rather than making upgrading the electrics difficult. |
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"Andy Dingley" wrote in message ... It was somewhere outside Barstow when "Mary Fisher" wrote: I thought it was a legal requirement in rooms without a fireplace? Doesn't mean they've got them... They're supposed to be for a good reason - ventilation. If people don't have them they shouldn't complain about steamy bathrooms :-) Mary |
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"Mike" wrote in message ... As a carpenter of 30 years standingf I'd say ********. Sanding and stripping(caustic) are certainly damaging, but modern materials can overcome the perceived problems. What "modern material" can put back the often several millimeters of wood that some amateurs remove ? And what do you do next time ? Eventually there is no wood left. How often are they going to remove several millimetres? Once is one too many I think you're OTT. Nonsense. Failing to preserve our buildings is a national disgrace. As an archaeologist and life member of several preservations societies I agree to a large extent. But not when it comes to sanding floors. Fortunately such work IS prohibited in listed buildings and IMO should be in all properties older than say 1900. Will you be saying the same in 2105 about all properties older than say 2000? Doubt if any from now will be worth saving but if they are then yes. I rest my case. How many 1900 buildings are 'worth saving' and who decides (you?). Mary |
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"Pete" wrote in message ... On Tue, 1 Mar 2005 22:45:05 -0000, "Mike" wrote: "Mary Fisher" wrote in message news:4224ecff$0$2653 I'm thinking of just sanding and varnishing the existing floorboards in the bathroom of my victorian house. Is this a good idea in a room which is going to have high levels of humidity? Could the boards warp or get spoilt by water? Anyone done this who can reassure me that I won't regret it? You'll regret it. I've never known anyone who's regretted it. Then you're obviously not heavily involved in the preservation and renovation of old houses. This fashion fad of sanding floors is doing massive damage to our housing infrastructure and is exactly what the government should be concentrating on banning rather than making upgrading the electrics difficult. As a carpenter of 30 years standingf I'd say ********. Sanding and stripping(caustic) are certainly damaging, but modern materials can overcome the perceived problems. What "modern material" can put back the often several millimeters of wood that some amateurs remove ? And what do you do next time ? Eventually there is no wood left. How often are they going to remove several millimetres? Once is one too many I think you're OTT. Nonsense. Failing to preserve our buildings is a national disgrace. Fortunately such work IS prohibited in listed buildings and IMO should be in all properties older than say 1900. Will you be saying the same in 2105 about all properties older than say 2000? Doubt if any from now will be worth saving but if they are then yes. Oh dear. I despair/. The point about any good building aterial is that it is renewable. A carpenter inj the 1890s would have done the best he could; Or the worst he could get away with ... he wouldn't have expected his job to last forever. And our job now is not to slavishly preserve the past but to invooke its spirit.; 2 mm and danish oil will do that. The next generation and the one after that - who knows? But for the next 20 years - sand the crap off, get back to lovely wood, and defend it as best we can. I agree. Mary |
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"Mike" wrote in message ... "Pete" wrote in message ... Oh dear. I despair/. The point about any good building aterial is that it is renewable. A carpenter inj the 1890s would have done the best he could; he wouldn't have expected his job to last forever. And our job now is not to slavishly preserve the past but to invooke its spirit.; 2 mm and danish oil will do that. The next generation and the one after that - who knows? But for the next 20 years - sand the crap off, get back to lovely wood, and defend it as best we can. I think any conservation officers reading this are despairing of your comments right now. Do what you propose on any listed building or one in certain conservation areas and you'll be quite rightly prosecuted. If you want a shiny wood finish lay new boards over the old ones to preserve the original as is. No-one's talking about a shiny wood finish, you're making assumptions. What's more, even if they were, what's wrong with a shiny new finish? Your personal prejudices are showing. And what's the point in hiding original features? I don't know any historical buildings where that's done. That, before you jump in to prove me wrong, doesn't mean that there aren't any. Mary |
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"Andy Dingley" wrote in message ... It was somewhere outside Barstow when "Mike" wrote: This fashion fad of sanding floors is doing massive damage to our housing infrastructure There's a little tear in your hat and the bogon flux is leaking in again. I've sanded loads of floors. I've removed more timber from them by pulling out rotted boards entire than I've ever taken off the top by sanding. Why don't you ban dry rot first ? Nice one :-) Mary |
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On Tue, 01 Mar 2005 08:40:08 +0000, John Rumm
wrote: Andy Dingley wrote: No, because of the difficulty of sealing _between_ the boards, mainly because of spills. I think that would be my first concern, without adequate sealing between the baords any spilt water is in danger of finding its way to the lath and plaster ceiling below in very short order. Definitely! Especially if you have children..... Mark |
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Martin Pentreath wrote in message ... I'm thinking of just sanding and varnishing the existing floorboards in the bathroom of my victorian house. Is this a good idea in a room which is going to have high levels of humidity? Could the boards warp or get spoilt by water? Anyone done this who can reassure me that I won't regret it? We have had a couple of bathrooms like this in the past and two out of three are like that here, haven't regretted it so far. You do have to be careful with spills though. Then again, the main bathroom here has hardboard and lino on top (previous owner) and a shower screen which is easy to leave ajar. The water just goes to the edge of the room and then comes down through the gaps! We don't have downstairs ceilings, just the undersides of the floorboards, which have years of water stains on them already, so it's just a case of getting a towel upstairs and a bucket downstairs. YMMV :-) -- Holly, in France. Holiday home in the Dordogne, website: http://la-plaine.chez.tiscali.fr |
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"Rob Morley" wrote in message ... In article , "Mary Fisher" says... "Mike" wrote in message ... snip If you want a shiny wood finish lay new boards over the old ones to preserve the original as is. But that would necessitate removing wood from the bottom of the original door. sucks air through teeth, loudly No-one's talking about a shiny wood finish, you're making assumptions. What's more, even if they were, what's wrong with a shiny new finish? Your personal prejudices are showing. And what's the point in hiding original features? Perhaps we should all strip the plaster from our chimney breasts so we can admire the original bricks ;^ No need - you can buy wall coverings with convincing printed bricks, stone, wood finishes or whatever which save the mess. I've seen it done. I've also seen deliberately stripped original brickwork as a feature, with all its faults - faults because it was intended to be concealed with plaster. Human beings, eh? ! Mary |
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