Mary Fisher wrote:
"Harvey Van Sickle" wrote in message

You could fire an arrow into the monitor...that'd work..


Arrows aren't fired.

Are they turned or whittled?


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On 21 Feb 2005, Mary Fisher wrote


"Harvey Van Sickle" wrote in message
...
On 20 Feb 2005, Bob Eager wrote

On Sun, 20 Feb 2005 21:56:48 UTC, "Owain"
wrote:

"Mary Fisher" wrote
"Bill" wrote
Remind me to tell you about the time I shot my car with a
crossbow.
Tell us about the time you shot your car with a crossbow.
Please.
And why.
And if you killed it or just winged it.

If he killed it, does that mean he bumpered it off?

I expect we'll get tyred of this thread soon and give it the
boot.

I hope so. I'm exhausted already.

You're -- bored?

It's all in his head.

As long as you don't start going on about his big end, we'll be OK...


--
Cheers,
Harvey

Bill wrote:

Probably took less explaining than when I shot a central heating
radiator with a home made "cannon" that used steel ball bearings and 6mm
hilti cartridges. The things teenagers get up to Ehh? I'm now 40+
something and hopefully somewhat saner and safer. ????????????


Thats sad. That you are saner and safer.

Badger wrote:



Andy Dingley wrote:

Besides which, have you seen the price of 12 gauge shells? I wouldn't
even rabbit with a shotgun, let alone rat.


410, silenced pref, rather than 12, though rolling your own means you
can size the shot to suit and the charge for less velocity, cheaper too!

Niel.
I didn't know you could silence a shotgun...is that for real?

"Harvey Van Sickle" wrote in message
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On 21 Feb 2005, Mary Fisher wrote


"Harvey Van Sickle" wrote in message
...
On 20 Feb 2005, Bob Eager wrote

On Sun, 20 Feb 2005 21:56:48 UTC, "Owain"
wrote:

"Mary Fisher" wrote
"Bill" wrote
Remind me to tell you about the time I shot my car with a
crossbow.
Tell us about the time you shot your car with a crossbow.
Please.
And why.
And if you killed it or just winged it.

If he killed it, does that mean he bumpered it off?

I expect we'll get tyred of this thread soon and give it the
boot.

I hope so. I'm exhausted already.

You're -- bored?

It's all in his head.

As long as you don't start going on about his big end, we'll be OK...

Now you're just being cranky.

Mary


--
Cheers,
Harvey

On Mon, 21 Feb 2005 10:08:31 +0000, The Natural Philosopher
wrote:

I didn't know you could silence a shotgun...is that for real?

You can't "put a silencer onto one", but you can build one with a
silenced barrel. Doesn't work that well for 12s, but .410s have long
been done this way for either poaching or pest control.

On 21 Feb 2005, Mary Fisher wrote


"Harvey Van Sickle" wrote in message
...
On 21 Feb 2005, Mary Fisher wrote


"Harvey Van Sickle" wrote in message
...
On 20 Feb 2005, Bob Eager wrote

On Sun, 20 Feb 2005 21:56:48 UTC, "Owain"
wrote:

"Mary Fisher" wrote
"Bill" wrote
Remind me to tell you about the time I shot my car with a
crossbow.
Tell us about the time you shot your car with a crossbow.
Please.
And why.
And if you killed it or just winged it.

If he killed it, does that mean he bumpered it off?

I expect we'll get tyred of this thread soon and give it the
boot.

I hope so. I'm exhausted already.

You're -- bored?

It's all in his head.

As long as you don't start going on about his big end, we'll be
OK...

Now you're just being cranky.

And my timing is all off.

--
Cheers,
Harvey

"Harvey Van Sickle" wrote in message
...
On 21 Feb 2005, Mary Fisher wrote


"Harvey Van Sickle" wrote in message
...
On 21 Feb 2005, Mary Fisher wrote


"Harvey Van Sickle" wrote in message
...
On 20 Feb 2005, Bob Eager wrote

On Sun, 20 Feb 2005 21:56:48 UTC, "Owain"
wrote:

"Mary Fisher" wrote
"Bill" wrote
Remind me to tell you about the time I shot my car with a
crossbow.
Tell us about the time you shot your car with a crossbow.
Please.
And why.
And if you killed it or just winged it.

If he killed it, does that mean he bumpered it off?

I expect we'll get tyred of this thread soon and give it the
boot.

I hope so. I'm exhausted already.

You're -- bored?

It's all in his head.

As long as you don't start going on about his big end, we'll be
OK...

Now you're just being cranky.

And my timing is all off.

And your point is?

Mary

--
Cheers,
Harvey

On 21 Feb 2005, Mary Fisher wrote


"Harvey Van Sickle" wrote in message
...
On 21 Feb 2005, Mary Fisher wrote


"Harvey Van Sickle" wrote in message
...
On 21 Feb 2005, Mary Fisher wrote


"Harvey Van Sickle" wrote in message
...
On 20 Feb 2005, Bob Eager wrote

On Sun, 20 Feb 2005 21:56:48 UTC, "Owain"
wrote:

"Mary Fisher" wrote
"Bill" wrote
Remind me to tell you about the time I shot my car with a
crossbow.

Tell us about the time you shot your car with a crossbow.
Please.
And why.

And if you killed it or just winged it.
If he killed it, does that mean he bumpered it off?
I expect we'll get tyred of this thread soon and give it the
boot.
I hope so. I'm exhausted already.
You're -- bored?
It's all in his head.
As long as you don't start going on about his big end, we'll be
OK...
Now you're just being cranky.
And my timing is all off.
And your point is?

I'm just distributing a few thoughts...


--
Cheers,
Harvey

"Harvey Van Sickle" wrote in message
...


Remind me to tell you about the time I shot my car with a
crossbow.

Tell us about the time you shot your car with a crossbow.
Please.
And why.

And if you killed it or just winged it.
If he killed it, does that mean he bumpered it off?
I expect we'll get tyred of this thread soon and give it the
boot.
I hope so. I'm exhausted already.
You're -- bored?
It's all in his head.
As long as you don't start going on about his big end, we'll be
OK...
Now you're just being cranky.
And my timing is all off.
And your point is?

I'm just distributing a few thoughts...

You're trying to cap me!

Mary


--
Cheers,
Harvey

On 21 Feb 2005, Mary Fisher wrote


"Harvey Van Sickle" wrote in message
...


Remind me to tell you about the time I shot my car with a
crossbow.

Tell us about the time you shot your car with a crossbow.
Please.
And why.

And if you killed it or just winged it.
If he killed it, does that mean he bumpered it off?
I expect we'll get tyred of this thread soon and give it the
boot.
I hope so. I'm exhausted already.
You're -- bored?
It's all in his head.
As long as you don't start going on about his big end, we'll be
OK...
Now you're just being cranky.
And my timing is all off.
And your point is?

I'm just distributing a few thoughts...

You're trying to cap me!

Nah, I'm just winging it, really....

--
Cheers, Harvey
....who really *must* get back to work.....

"Harvey Van Sickle" wrote in message
...
On 21 Feb 2005, Mary Fisher wrote


"Harvey Van Sickle" wrote in message
...


Remind me to tell you about the time I shot my car with a
crossbow.

Tell us about the time you shot your car with a crossbow.
Please.
And why.

And if you killed it or just winged it.
If he killed it, does that mean he bumpered it off?
I expect we'll get tyred of this thread soon and give it the
boot.
I hope so. I'm exhausted already.
You're -- bored?
It's all in his head.
As long as you don't start going on about his big end, we'll be
OK...
Now you're just being cranky.
And my timing is all off.
And your point is?

I'm just distributing a few thoughts...

You're trying to cap me!

Nah, I'm just winging it, really....

That was a multi point turn to get back to where we began!

Mary

--
Cheers, Harvey
...who really *must* get back to work.....

On 21 Feb 2005, Mary Fisher wrote


"Harvey Van Sickle" wrote in message
...
On 21 Feb 2005, Mary Fisher wrote


"Harvey Van Sickle" wrote in message
...


Remind me to tell you about the time I shot my car
with a crossbow.

Tell us about the time you shot your car with a
crossbow. Please.
And why.

And if you killed it or just winged it.
If he killed it, does that mean he bumpered it off?
I expect we'll get tyred of this thread soon and give
it the boot.
I hope so. I'm exhausted already.
You're -- bored?
It's all in his head.
As long as you don't start going on about his big end,
we'll be OK...
Now you're just being cranky.
And my timing is all off.
And your point is?

I'm just distributing a few thoughts...

You're trying to cap me!

Nah, I'm just winging it, really....

That was a multi point turn to get back to where we began!

I'll park it at that point, then.

--
Cheers,
Harvey

Andy Dingley wrote:

On Mon, 21 Feb 2005 10:08:31 +0000, The Natural Philosopher
wrote:


I didn't know you could silence a shotgun...is that for real?


You can't "put a silencer onto one", but you can build one with a
silenced barrel. Doesn't work that well for 12s, but .410s have long
been done this way for either poaching or pest control.

Really? I've been pndering on getting a licence for a 410 and getting one.

The Natural Philosopher wrote:


You can't "put a silencer onto one", but you can build one with a
silenced barrel. Doesn't work that well for 12s, but .410s have long
been done this way for either poaching or pest control.


Really? I've been pndering on getting a licence for a 410 and getting one.

Only a single barrel/single shot though, you can get an add-on for a
410, but I'm not sure how they licence those, for a firearm it has to be
a fixed integral part of the barrel, or listed as a detachable silencer
on the certificate. Hummm .22 dust shot carts, now theres a thought!

Niel.

On 21 Feb 2005 20:10:20 GMT, (Huge) wrote:

"Owain" writes:
"Huge" wrote
| Probably took less explaining than when I shot a central
| heating radiator with a home made "cannon" that used
| steel ball bearings and 6mm hilti cartridges. The
| things teenagers get up to Ehh?




| Except I was in my thirties when I did that ...

Young at heart or late developer?

Like the ad says; "Grow up? Why?"

"Growing old is compulsory ,growing up is optional" is a quote I
gathered from somewhere , and have been known to use when faced with
raised eyebrows occasionally.

Back to the Rat guns
.. When I still lived in an environment where shotguns were as much an
everyday tool as a hammer someone had a small shotgun that was smaller
than a 410. He specifically called it a rat gun. Cartridges were from
a 30 year memory metal cased. 9 or 10mm?
Neat little thing it was.
Can you still get those on a shotgun licence?

G.harman

On Tue, 22 Feb 2005 23:30:23 GMT, (g.harman)
wrote:

. When I still lived in an environment where shotguns were as much an
everyday tool as a hammer someone had a small shotgun that was smaller
than a 410.

..410 is the smallest "shot gun" (it's a 67 gauge, BTW)

There are shot shells loaded for larger pistol calibres, particularly
for the more rustic bits of the USA, against snakes. It may have been
one of them.

It's quite possibly an illegal (i.e. cat 5) weapon these days, unless
it can qualify as an antique in an obsolete calibre. Many such devices
are too short to be legally shotguns, even if they're smoothbores.

"g.harman" wrote in message
...
On 21 Feb 2005 20:10:20 GMT, (Huge) wrote:

"Owain" writes:
"Huge" wrote
| Probably took less explaining than when I shot a central
| heating radiator with a home made "cannon" that used
| steel ball bearings and 6mm hilti cartridges. The
| things teenagers get up to Ehh?




| Except I was in my thirties when I did that ...

Young at heart or late developer?

Like the ad says; "Grow up? Why?"

"Growing old is compulsory ,growing up is optional" is a quote I
gathered from somewhere , and have been known to use when faced with
raised eyebrows occasionally.

Back to the Rat guns
. When I still lived in an environment where shotguns were as much an
everyday tool as a hammer someone had a small shotgun that was smaller
than a 410. He specifically called it a rat gun. Cartridges were from
a 30 year memory metal cased. 9 or 10mm?
Neat little thing it was.
Can you still get those on a shotgun licence?


IIRC it would be a three-bore. I don't know if they are still around.

wrote:
I thought a punt gun was the biggest you could use on a shotgun
licence, about 4 bore IIRC.
Upto 2" on shotgun, over 2" FAC.

30bore would be something like a .22 rimfire loaded with shot,
probably quite cost effective compared with a shotgun cartridge.

AJH
I think he was remembering the old 9mm garden guns though, I've seen one
or two, but ammo would be difficult, though one Italian company does
still make it IIRC.

Niel.

It was somewhere outside Barstow when wrote:

I thought a punt gun was the biggest you could use on a shotgun
licence, about 4 bore IIRC.

Yes - unrifled punt guns and wall guns are still licensable (sic) as
shotguns. Sadly Chieftain tanks no longer are, after a rule change a
few years ago.

30bore would be something like a .22 rimfire loaded with shot,

28 bore is .550 (coincidentally the same calibre as a Boyes
anti-tank rifle, which is why I remember it). The "bore" number goes
with the _cube_ of the diameter, so they soon become enormous.
About "400 bore" for a .22 ?

Gerra dog!

wrote:


I'm sure you could buy .22 rimfire ammo with just a few small shot in
them, maybe 9 No.8, for ratting.

AJH

Yes, dust shot for small birds/rats, not seen any recently (not been
looking mind), probably out there, but whose got a smooth bore .22? A
rare beast, and with .22 rimfire solids being quite common even the 100
year antique doesn't apply so I suspect any .22 would have to be on FAC
with the apropriate condition for use for "vermin"?

Niel.

On Tue, 22 Feb 2005 23:30:23 GMT, (g.harman)
wrote:



Back to the Rat guns
. When I still lived in an environment where shotguns were as much an
everyday tool as a hammer someone had a small shotgun that was smaller
than a 410. He specifically called it a rat gun. Cartridges were from
a 30 year memory metal cased. 9 or 10mm?
Neat little thing it was.
Can you still get those on a shotgun licence?

G.harman

This was the No.3 bore or 9mm Garden Gun. The 3 bore here is not from
the same series as the '12 bore', '16 bore' etc (number of lead
spheres to the pound), but some other separate, archaic nomenclature.

The ones I've seen (and used to own) were single shot, bolt action,
Belgian, I think.

They are rimfire. The (shot) cartridges used to be made of thin
card/thick paper with just a one-piece metal end where the brass would
be on a 12 bore cartridge. The difference was that the paper burnt up
when the round was fired, leaving just the metal to be extracted. At
least, that was the theory. The paper remnants in practice often ended
up in the barrel to be cleared by the next shot,

I have heard that there is one foreign manufacturer still making the
cartridges, but in an all-metal version.

In principle, the calibre would be easily allowable on a shotgun
licence in UK, but in practice I think all examples have relatively
short barrels which are less than the permissable shotgun length. So
they would need to be on an FAC.

Don.