I live in a flat and have become close friends with the lady in the
adjoining flat. We share the freehold on the property. We'd like to
put a door in the studwork wall that separates our two flats. I
understand this needs to be up to building reg standards with regards
fireproofing. Where can I find the correct
specifications/materials/thicknesses so that I can construct the door
and frame in compliance with the building regs? A drawing with
thicknesses indicated would be most ideal.

Thank you.

Rich

Rich wrote:
I live in a flat and have become close friends with the lady in the
adjoining flat. We share the freehold on the property. We'd like to
put a door in the studwork wall that separates our two flats. I
understand this needs to be up to building reg standards with regards
fireproofing. Where can I find the correct
specifications/materials/thicknesses so that I can construct the door
and frame in compliance with the building regs? A drawing with
thicknesses indicated would be most ideal.

Thank you.

Rich


The relevant Building Regs document would be a good start:
http://tinyurl.com/63nks (or
http://www.odpm.gov.uk/stellent/grou...reg_027756.pdf)

David

On Sat, 22 Jan 2005 15:26:56 GMT, Lobster
wrote:

Rich wrote:
I live in a flat and have become close friends with the lady in the
adjoining flat. We share the freehold on the property. We'd like to
put a door in the studwork wall that separates our two flats. I
understand this needs to be up to building reg standards with regards
fireproofing. Where can I find the correct
specifications/materials/thicknesses so that I can construct the door
and frame in compliance with the building regs? A drawing with
thicknesses indicated would be most ideal.

Thank you.

Rich


The relevant Building Regs document would be a good start:
http://tinyurl.com/63nks (or
http://www.odpm.gov.uk/stellent/grou...reg_027756.pdf)

David

Thanks for that David. It refers me to BS8214 which I couldn't find
anywhere on the internet. Lots of mentions of it but not the actual
specs it contains. At least I couldn't find it. Where I can get this
document? Alternatively, where can I buy a ready-made fire door and
frame that conforms to BS8214? Can anyone recommend a low-cost
supplier?

Thanks again,

Rich

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On Sat, 22 Jan 2005 15:26:56 GMT, Lobster
wrote:

Rich wrote:
I live in a flat and have become close friends with the lady in the
adjoining flat. We share the freehold on the property. We'd like to
put a door in the studwork wall that separates our two flats. I
understand this needs to be up to building reg standards with regards
fireproofing. Where can I find the correct
specifications/materials/thicknesses so that I can construct the door
and frame in compliance with the building regs? A drawing with
thicknesses indicated would be most ideal.

Thank you.

Rich


The relevant Building Regs document would be a good start:
http://tinyurl.com/63nks (or

http://www.odpm.gov.uk/stellent/grou...ts/page/odpm_b
reg_027756.pdf)

David

Thanks for that David. It refers me to BS8214 which I couldn't find
anywhere on the internet. Lots of mentions of it but not the actual
specs it contains. At least I couldn't find it. Where I can get this
document? Alternatively, where can I buy a ready-made fire door and
frame that conforms to BS8214? Can anyone recommend a low-cost
supplier?

Wickes do one. Isn't that pretty but okay.

Rich wrote:

document? Alternatively, where can I buy a ready-made fire door and
frame that conforms to BS8214? Can anyone recommend a low-cost
supplier?

I would expect at the simplest way is to buy the door ready made. Then
make up your own frame using an off-the-shelf door lining, with custom
made door stops. this is what I did for my loft conversion which also
required a 30 minute fire doors on all habitable rooms.

Wickes have a choice of about three internal fire doors, ranging from a
plain flat faced one at about £30, and nicer looking Georgian ones (4
panel, and 6 panel) at about 55 quid.

The difference between a standard door frame, and a fire door one, is
the thickness of the doorstops. These need to be at least 25mm thick on
the fire door. It is also a good idea to use fire door rated hinges
(three of them - Toolstation are cheap for these). You will also
probably need to fit a self-closer.

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On Sun, 23 Jan 2005 03:05:30 +0000, John Rumm
wrote:

Rich wrote:

document? Alternatively, where can I buy a ready-made fire door and
frame that conforms to BS8214? Can anyone recommend a low-cost
supplier?

I would expect at the simplest way is to buy the door ready made. Then
make up your own frame using an off-the-shelf door lining, with custom
made door stops. this is what I did for my loft conversion which also
required a 30 minute fire doors on all habitable rooms.

Wickes have a choice of about three internal fire doors, ranging from a
plain flat faced one at about £30, and nicer looking Georgian ones (4
panel, and 6 panel) at about 55 quid.

Cool! There's a Wickes near me so that looks like the answer.

The difference between a standard door frame, and a fire door one, is
the thickness of the doorstops. These need to be at least 25mm thick on
the fire door. It is also a good idea to use fire door rated hinges
(three of them - Toolstation are cheap for these). You will also
probably need to fit a self-closer.

Does anyone know if ordinary softwood is OK for the the door frame and
door stop? IIRC, I think any common softwood is OK for a 30min FD but
not all woods are ok for a 60 min FD. Which fireproofing do I need for
a door opening from a flat into a shared hallway? 30 min or 60?

Thanks...

Rich

"Rich" wrote in message
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On Sun, 23 Jan 2005 03:05:30 +0000, John Rumm
wrote:

Rich wrote:

document? Alternatively, where can I buy a ready-made fire door and
frame that conforms to BS8214? Can anyone recommend a low-cost
supplier?

I would expect at the simplest way is to buy the door ready made. Then
make up your own frame using an off-the-shelf door lining, with custom
made door stops. this is what I did for my loft conversion which also
required a 30 minute fire doors on all habitable rooms.

Wickes have a choice of about three internal fire doors, ranging from a
plain flat faced one at about £30, and nicer looking Georgian ones (4
panel, and 6 panel) at about 55 quid.

Cool! There's a Wickes near me so that looks like the answer.

The difference between a standard door frame, and a fire door one, is
the thickness of the doorstops. These need to be at least 25mm thick on
the fire door. It is also a good idea to use fire door rated hinges
(three of them - Toolstation are cheap for these). You will also
probably need to fit a self-closer.

Does anyone know if ordinary softwood is OK for the the door frame and
door stop? IIRC, I think any common softwood is OK for a 30min FD but
not all woods are ok for a 60 min FD. Which fireproofing do I need for
a door opening from a flat into a shared hallway? 30 min or 60?


You could paint the frame with fireproof paint.

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John Rumm wrote:
The difference between a standard door frame, and a fire door
one, is the thickness of the doorstops. These need to be at
least 25mm thick on the fire door.

The OP should check with his BCO but IIRC you don't need 25mm
stops if the door has an intumescent strip - which you can get
from Wickes or Screwfix.

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Rich wrote:

Does anyone know if ordinary softwood is OK for the the door frame and
door stop? IIRC, I think any common softwood is OK for a 30min FD but

It is certainly ok for 30 min. Not had to do a 60 min, and hence have
not looked into it myself.

not all woods are ok for a 60 min FD. Which fireproofing do I need for
a door opening from a flat into a shared hallway? 30 min or 60?

Again don't know, why not phone em and ask?

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John Rumm wrote:

Again don't know, why not phone em and ask?

The above advice is really crucial: assuming you're doing this job
properly and legally (which you should do, and it sounds like you are!)
you'll need to have the BCO out to inspect it. He will know exactly
how he wants the job doing, and it's all very well to do the necessary
work according to your interpretation of the Building Regs documents or
what other folk have advised here, but at the End of the Day it has to
satisfy the BCO or he'll have you ripping it all out and starting again.
There might even be other aspects of the project which will attract
their attention other than fire regs which you haven't considered.

So contact the Building Regs dept first and ask them exactly what they
want you to do in order to comply; they're usually very happy to help
IME. Your best bet is probably to wander into the council offices with
a sketched plan of the flat layouts etc and have a chat with the duty
BCO. If you're lucky they might even come round for a looksee before you
even start work.

David

[quote=Lobster]John Rumm wrote:

Again don't know, why not phone em and ask?

The above advice is really crucial: assuming you're doing this job
properly and legally (which you should do, and it sounds like you are!)
you'll need to have the BCO out to inspect it. He will know exactly
how he wants the job doing, and it's all very well to do the necessary
work according to your interpretation of the Building Regs documents or
what other folk have advised here, but at the End of the Day it has to
satisfy the BCO or he'll have you ripping it all out and starting again.
There might even be other aspects of the pro
you will have to put intermicent strips on both edges and the top of the door you can use a router to make the grooves