Can people please adjust to the correct times as when you are trying to read
a thread they become all jumbled up and are difficult to follow.
Therefore I propose a punishment......the next person to post with an
incorrect time should thrash themselves 10 times with a 1m length of 2,5mm
twin & earth.....severity according to how far out the clock is out.
Photos required for evidence please

On Tue, 14 Dec 2004 23:21:05 -0800, "mark bay"
strung together this:

Can people please adjust to the correct times as when you are trying to read
a thread they become all jumbled up and are difficult to follow.

Try using a decent newsreader, mine doesn't jumble them up if the time
is wrong.
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On Wed, 15 Dec 2004 07:21:05 UTC, "mark bay"
wrote:

Can people please adjust to the correct times as when you are trying to read
a thread they become all jumbled up and are difficult to follow.

1) Do why are you posting with a Californian time zone (and thus at
07:21 tomorrow, GMT)?

2) Good newsreaders don't *get* confused.


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"mark bay" wrote in message
...
Can people please adjust to the correct times as when you are trying to
read
a thread they become all jumbled up and are difficult to follow.
Therefore I propose a punishment......the next person to post with an
incorrect time should thrash themselves 10 times with a 1m length of 2,5mm
twin & earth.....severity according to how far out the clock is out.
Photos required for evidence please

Ooh - how can I change my clock to BST?

Mary

On Tue, 14 Dec 2004 23:39:54 -0000, "Mary Fisher"
strung together this:

Ooh - how can I change my clock to BST?

Wait till summertime.
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Can people please adjust to the correct times as when you are trying to
read
a thread they become all jumbled up and are difficult to follow.
Therefore I propose a punishment......the next person to post with an
incorrect time should thrash themselves 10 times with a 1m length of 2,5mm
twin & earth.....severity according to how far out the clock is out.
Photos required for evidence please

....so when will you be sending the photos of your thrashing!
(you are 480 minutes out, so is that 480 thrashes I guess)

Sparks...

In message , mark bay
wrote
Can people please adjust to the correct times as when you are trying to read
a thread they become all jumbled up and are difficult to follow.
Therefore I propose a punishment......the next person to post with an
incorrect time should thrash themselves 10 times with a 1m length of 2,5mm
twin & earth.....severity according to how far out the clock is out.
Photos required for evidence please



Where can we see photos of your punishment?

You posting 8 hours different to the rest of us in the UK?

From your headers
Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 23:21:05 -0800

I suspect that if you are having problems that you haven't bothered to
configure your Microsoft software to be somewhere else than the default
place in the world - which is somewhere in the USA.

Hint: It's not only the clock that needs to be correct but also the
timezone settings.
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In message , Alan
writes
In message , mark bay
wrote
Can people please adjust to the correct times as when you are trying to read
a thread they become all jumbled up and are difficult to follow.
Therefore I propose a punishment......the next person to post with an
incorrect time should thrash themselves 10 times with a 1m length of 2,5mm
twin & earth.....severity according to how far out the clock is out.
Photos required for evidence please



Where can we see photos of your punishment?

You posting 8 hours different to the rest of us in the UK?

From your headers
Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 23:21:05 -0800

I suspect that if you are having problems that you haven't bothered to
configure your Microsoft software to be somewhere else than the default
place in the world - which is somewhere in the USA.

Hint: It's not only the clock that needs to be correct but also the
timezone settings.
Being a septic is prolly punishment enough,

although, I for one would like to see some pix involving a sharp stick
and some KY jelly

coz I'm a *******

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"raden" wrote in message
...

snip slippery stuff

I'm a *******

Geoff, we all know that, you don't need to tell us :-)

Mary

In article , "Alan"
says...
In message , mark bay
wrote
Can people please adjust to the correct times as when you are trying to read
a thread they become all jumbled up and are difficult to follow.
Therefore I propose a punishment......the next person to post with an
incorrect time should thrash themselves 10 times with a 1m length of 2,5mm
twin & earth.....severity according to how far out the clock is out.
Photos required for evidence please



Where can we see photos of your punishment?

You posting 8 hours different to the rest of us in the UK?

From your headers
Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 23:21:05 -0800

I suspect that if you are having problems that you haven't bothered to
configure your Microsoft software to be somewhere else than the default
place in the world - which is somewhere in the USA.

Redmond WA - which is where Microsoft is based.

mark bay wrote:

Can people please adjust to the correct times as when you are trying to read
a thread they become all jumbled up and are difficult to follow.
Therefore I propose a punishment......the next person to post with an
incorrect time should thrash themselves 10 times with a 1m length of 2,5mm
twin & earth.....severity according to how far out the clock is out.
Photos required for evidence please

Sort your time zone out and it might make more sense! ;-)

(Loosing OE would help as well)

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"John Rumm" wrote in message
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(Loosing OE would help as well)

Don't be so boring.

And learn to spell.

On Wed, 15 Dec 2004 00:01:22 -0000, "Mary Fisher"
strung together this:

(Loosing OE would help as well)

Don't be so boring.

Eh? What you twittering on about now?
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Mary Fisher wrote:

"John Rumm" wrote in message
...


(Loosing OE would help as well)


Don't be so boring.

Just because you decided to chop a lump off yourself, you don't have
take it out on me... stroppy little mare!

Advising someone to ditch OE would seems like good advice for any number
of reasons. It is the number one vector for email mailware on the
planet, and as a newsgroup reader it has a number of limitations -
loosing message threading due to (apparently) differing posting times
being just one of them.

And learn to spell.

Learn to spell? I would love to. Not sure what prompted that comment
since I can't actually see anything wrong with the original post.



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In article , "John
Rumm" says...
Mary Fisher wrote:

"John Rumm" wrote in message
...


(Loosing OE would help as well)


Don't be so boring.

Just because you decided to chop a lump off yourself, you don't have
take it out on me... stroppy little mare!

Advising someone to ditch OE would seems like good advice for any number
of reasons. It is the number one vector for email mailware on the
planet, and as a newsgroup reader it has a number of limitations -
loosing message threading due to (apparently) differing posting times
being just one of them.

And learn to spell.

Learn to spell? I would love to. Not sure what prompted that comment
since I can't actually see anything wrong with the original post.

loosing should be losing

"John Rumm" wrote in message
...


(Loosing OE would help as well)


Don't be so boring.

Advising someone to ditch OE would seems like good advice for any number
of reasons. It is the number one vector for email mailware on the planet,
and as a newsgroup reader it has a number of limitations - loosing message
threading due to (apparently) differing posting times being just one of
them.

I - and, I suggest - MOST people who use the internet use MS. That means
it's successful. Why is it successful? Because it works. It does what I want
and I don't have a problem with what you say.

And learn to spell.

Learn to spell? I would love to. Not sure what prompted that comment since
I can't actually see anything wrong with the original post.

There's a difference between 'lose' and 'loose'.

You used the wrong version in your previous as well as the above post.

I rarely criticise posters' spelling, although, I reckon, most people don't
give the care to spelling, grammar and punctuation as they give to, say,
their personal appearance. In this case I consider that I was justified. If
you can criticise others' choice of utility you're leaving the field open to
criticism of the way you post.

The damning of OE by posters IS boring in that it's a constant moan. We know
how the moaners feel about OE, we choose to continue using it. Your
criticism isn't going to change that, in the same way that my criticism of
your spelling isn't going to change your use of it, so you might as well
stop being boring and go back to being your usual witty, scintillating and
exciting self :-)

The same applies to me of course.

Mary



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On Wed, 15 Dec 2004 09:49:52 -0000, "Mary Fisher"
strung together this:

The damning of OE by posters IS boring in that it's a constant moan. We know
how the moaners feel about OE, we choose to continue using it. Your
criticism isn't going to change that,

That's why no-one said anything to you, some people are quite happy to
change, I've converted quite a few people recently to using Firefox
instead of IE and Thunderbird instead of OE.

If we're going to be picky and stroppy can you snip posts properly
rather than leaving all the irrelevant bits in, or don't post.
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Mary Fisher wrote:

I - and, I suggest - MOST people who use the internet use MS. That means
it's successful. Why is it successful? Because it works.

coughs

Hate to wade into the middle of an OE argument, but I really don't
believe that the reason you give is accurate. People use IE/OE because
that's what's on their machine when they first get it.

The products (IE & OE) do 'work', in that they largely allow users to do
most of what they want to do most of the time, but that doesn't mean
they are particularly good tools.

The free blade that you get when you buy a circular saw 'works', but in
most cases it's a very poor blade. Unless you spend some time learning
about blades, and the differences between them, and experimenting with
other blades, you'll never know how poor that first blade is. Cuts wood,
doesn't it?

My biggest objection to OE is on security - I really don't care if users
want to live with a limited set of functionality - that's their choice -
but the inherent poor security of the application has very widespread
consequences.



--
Grunff

Mary Fisher wrote:

I - and, I suggest - MOST people who use the internet use MS. That means
it's successful. Why is it successful? Because it works. It does what I want
and I don't have a problem with what you say.

I would agree, I am sure most people do use OE (although a quick review
of the headers of the posts in this group would suggest there is a
sizeable proportion who do not use it for usenet access). It works well
enough, and comes free with the PC, hence people use it.

There's a difference between 'lose' and 'loose'.

Fair cop, missed that.

(although I suppose you could argue that "loose" as in "set free" would
still work in the sentence)

their personal appearance. In this case I consider that I was justified. If
you can criticise others' choice of utility you're leaving the field open to
criticism of the way you post.

It was not a criticism of their choice, just a recommendation they try
something different because it may solve the problem they are having.
Perhaps my wording was too brief / flippant.

When someone posts to say they are having difficulty drilling holes into
hard masonry, and I and others recommend switching to a SDS drill. It is
not intended as a criticism of their current tool, just telling them
there are ones better for the job.

The damning of OE by posters IS boring in that it's a constant moan. We know
how the moaners feel about OE, we choose to continue using it. Your

I am sure you are diligent enough (and sufficiently aware of the issues)
to keep your computer patched up to date, run current anti virus and
firewall software/hardware, keep your preview pane turned off, and most
importantly be selective as to what emails you open rather than delete.

My experience would suggest however that a good many users are not.
Unless someone tells them, how will they know?

(Sadly the answer is usualy once their computer is spending 90% of its
CPU time as a part of a script kiddies botnet, slugging internet
performance carrying out DDoS attacks, sending spam, and hosting dodgy porn)

On a more general point, I will often make a recommendation to people to
use an alternative tool, because of the damage that OE can do to
everyone else, even people who do not use it. Pretty much all the email
worms and viruses that I receive have at some time been propagated as a
result of a someone using IE/OE. Every customer I go to see, who is
complaining that their computer is running slowly or misbehaving in some
other way, has a machine loaded with spyware and trojans that have
arrived as a result of a lack of attention to detail on their part,
coupled with use of IE/OE. It is sometimes difficult to get their
attention, but you can change their software!


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"John Rumm" wrote in message
...

Advising someone to ditch OE would seems like good advice for any number
of reasons. It is the number one vector for email mailware on the planet,
and as a newsgroup reader it has a number of limitations - loosing message
threading due to (apparently) differing posting times being just one of
them.


Isn't Outlook (as in, the paid-for Office component) susceptible to the same
MS-targeted problems as OE, as regards email?

I use OE as a newsreader myself (with Outlook for email), admittedly for no
better reason than the fact that OE was 'there' when I wanted a newsreader,
and I keep meaning to get round to using something better. Would be
interested to know what others here prefer and why!

David

On Wed, 15 Dec 2004 16:08:24 +0000, Lobster wrote:

"John Rumm" wrote in message
...

Advising someone to ditch OE would seems like good advice for any number
of reasons. It is the number one vector for email mailware on the
planet, and as a newsgroup reader it has a number of limitations -
loosing message threading due to (apparently) differing posting times
being just one of them.


Isn't Outlook (as in, the paid-for Office component) susceptible to the
same MS-targeted problems as OE, as regards email?

I use OE as a newsreader myself (with Outlook for email), admittedly for
no better reason than the fact that OE was 'there' when I wanted a
newsreader, and I keep meaning to get round to using something better.
Would be interested to know what others here prefer and why!

David

Knode or Pan on Linux for the simple reason that it is not a walking
security exploit!

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Tony Hogarty
(Take out the garbage to reply)

Lobster wrote:

Isn't Outlook (as in, the paid-for Office component) susceptible to the same
MS-targeted problems as OE, as regards email?

It sure is. Using either Outlook or OE is inherently unsafe, and can
only be made safe through a lot of additional work.


I use OE as a newsreader myself (with Outlook for email), admittedly for no
better reason than the fact that OE was 'there' when I wanted a newsreader,
and I keep meaning to get round to using something better. Would be
interested to know what others here prefer and why!

This is really a personal preference thing - a lot of it depends on how
you like your intreface to look/work. Having said that, if you don't
have server-side spam filtering, give Thunderbird a go. Activate the
spam filtering, and you will be amazed at how good it is.

http://www.mozilla.org/products/thunderbird/

--
Grunff

On 15 Dec 2004, Lobster wrote

-snip-

I use OE as a newsreader myself (with Outlook for email),
admittedly for no better reason than the fact that OE was 'there'
when I wanted a newsreader, and I keep meaning to get round to
using something better. Would be interested to know what others
here prefer and why!

XNews; not for any wildly dogmatic reason, but just that I'd never
used OE when it was recommended to me.

I particularly like the way it lets me have a vertical screen division
(tree on the left; message text on the right), and it automatically
assigns the majority of the screen to whichever side you're dealing
with.

I've heard good things about XanaNews; I tried it and it seemed quite
good, but as there was no screaming advantage to cause me to switch,
I've stayed with XNews.

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Cheers,
Harvey

On Wed, 15 Dec 2004 16:08:24 GMT, "Lobster"
strung together this:

Isn't Outlook (as in, the paid-for Office component) susceptible to the same
MS-targeted problems as OE, as regards email?

Yes. I use Mozilla Thunderbird for emails as a direct replacement for
OE, it does come across as being very OE based so you won't really
notice much of a difference during general use.
If you do try Thunderbird the try using Firefox too as a IE
replacement. I have found it to be the only true popup blocker and I
feel happier using it as opposed to IE.

I use OE as a newsreader myself (with Outlook for email), admittedly for no
better reason than the fact that OE was 'there' when I wanted a newsreader,
and I keep meaning to get round to using something better. Would be
interested to know what others here prefer and why!

I use Forte Agent 2, mainly because I've always used Free Agent and
got used to the look and feel. It's not too bad but I got the paid for
copy for free, I wouldn't pay for it as there are plenty of decent
free newsreaders out.
I did trial a few a while back and found Gravity to be pretty good.
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"Lobster" wrote in message
...
"John Rumm" wrote in message
...

Advising someone to ditch OE would seems like good advice for any number
of reasons. It is the number one vector for email mailware on the planet,
and as a newsgroup reader it has a number of limitations - loosing
message threading due to (apparently) differing posting times being just
one of them.


Isn't Outlook (as in, the paid-for Office component) susceptible to the
same MS-targeted problems as OE, as regards email?

I use OE as a newsreader myself (with Outlook for email), admittedly for
no better reason than the fact that OE was 'there' when I wanted a
newsreader, and I keep meaning to get round to using something better.
Would be interested to know what others here prefer and why!

As my computers generally arrive as a box of bits, nothing comes installed
on the machine. I use OE for the same reason that I use any other MS
product - it is the best for my purposes. One of the main considerations
being that a number of users, with a variety of computing skill levels,
should be able to use the products they are most likely to be familiar with.
Yes, it is the most popular target for attacks, but that does not mean that
other programmes or operating systems are immune from attacks and they
usually do not come with automatic installation of security updates when
vulnerabilities are found.

Colin Bignell

"John Rumm" wrote
| (Loosing OE would help as well)

What, setting it free to run around the world unhindered by fetters?

Owain

"mark bay" wrote in message
...
Can people please adjust to the correct times as when you are trying to
read
a thread they become all jumbled up and are difficult to follow.
Therefore I propose a punishment......the next person to post with an
incorrect time should thrash themselves 10 times with a 1m length of 2,5mm
twin & earth.....severity according to how far out the clock is out.
Photos required for evidence please


From *your* headers;
From: "mark bay"
Newsgroups: uk.d-i-y
Subject: computer clocks
Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 23:21:05 -0800

**** !... :~(

"mark bay" wrote in message
...
Can people please adjust to the correct times as when you are trying to
read
a thread they become all jumbled up and are difficult to follow.
Therefore I propose a punishment......the next person to post with an
incorrect time should thrash themselves 10 times with a 1m length of
2,5mm
twin & earth.....severity according to how far out the clock is out.
Photos required for evidence please

What colour T&E do you have to use?

Adam

"ARWadsworth" wrote in message
.uk...
"mark bay" wrote in message
...
Can people please adjust to the correct times as when you are trying to
read
a thread they become all jumbled up and are difficult to follow.
Therefore I propose a punishment......the next person to post with an
incorrect time should thrash themselves 10 times with a 1m length of
2,5mm
twin & earth.....severity according to how far out the clock is out.
Photos required for evidence please

What colour T&E do you have to use?

And will it change with the new regs?

Mary

Adam

In article ,
"mark bay" writes:
Can people please adjust to the correct times as when you are trying to read
a thread they become all jumbled up and are difficult to follow.

I suggest you use a threaded newsreader. Following thread
branches is much more meaningful than following posting times.

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Andrew Gabriel
Consultant Software Engineer