talking to my MP, who is a keen DIYer and I moaned about these
regulations. He had not heard about them and wants to look them up
with a view to commenting on them in an appropriate place.

Can someone kindly supply me with the official references for both, so
that I can refer him to them?

Cheers

"EricP" wrote in message
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talking to my MP, who is a keen DIYer and I moaned about these
regulations. He had not heard about them and wants to look them up
with a view to commenting on them in an appropriate place.

Can someone kindly supply me with the official references for both, so
that I can refer him to them?

Cheers

Not being funny, but he isn't a good MP if he doesn't know what legislation
is coming in!!

S

On Thu, 09 Dec 2004 17:20:27 GMT, EricP wrote:

talking to my MP, who is a keen DIYer and I moaned about these
regulations. He had not heard about them and wants to look them up
with a view to commenting on them in an appropriate place.

Can someone kindly supply me with the official references for both, so
that I can refer him to them?

Cheers

ROTFLMAO.

FFS!

How typical is that? Will he have voted on it at some point?


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In article , EricP wrote:
talking to my MP, who is a keen DIYer and I moaned about these
regulations. He had not heard about them and wants to look them up
with a view to commenting on them in an appropriate place.

Can someone kindly supply me with the official references for both, so
that I can refer him to them?

For the unofficial Boris Johnson view in today's DT:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/opinion/m...ixopinion.html

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On Thu, 09 Dec 2004 17:29:10 GMT, Tony Bryer
wrote:

In article , EricP wrote:
talking to my MP, who is a keen DIYer and I moaned about these
regulations. He had not heard about them and wants to look them up
with a view to commenting on them in an appropriate place.

Can someone kindly supply me with the official references for both, so
that I can refer him to them?

For the unofficial Boris Johnson view in today's DT:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/opinion/m...ixopinion.html

I will put that in my reply to him. ))

In article , Kalico wrote:
How typical is that? Will he have voted on it at some point?

Most of these things are 'laid' before Parliament and if no one raises
an objection within x days they are approved by default. I haven't got
time to turn it up now but the parent act - The Building Act -
probably says something like "The Minister may make regulations
concerning ..... "

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On Thu, 09 Dec 2004 17:35:19 GMT, EricP wrote:

On Thu, 09 Dec 2004 17:29:10 GMT, Tony Bryer
wrote:

In article , EricP wrote:
talking to my MP, who is a keen DIYer and I moaned about these
regulations. He had not heard about them and wants to look them up
with a view to commenting on them in an appropriate place.

Can someone kindly supply me with the official references for both, so
that I can refer him to them?

For the unofficial Boris Johnson view in today's DT:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/opinion/m...ixopinion.html


...pity about the mistake on the windows stuff - doesn't apply to like-for-like replacement of broken
windows ISTR.

On Thu, 09 Dec 2004 19:27:27 GMT, Mike Harrison wrote:

On Thu, 09 Dec 2004 17:29:10 GMT, Tony Bryer
wrote:

For the unofficial Boris Johnson view in today's DT:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/opinion/m...ixopinion.html

..pity about the mistake on the windows stuff - doesn't apply to like-for-like replacement of broken
windows ISTR.

Perhaps when he breaks his windows "in the course of a loving affray" it
involves him being thrown bodily through the window, damaging the frame as
well as the gless, requiring a complete replacement....

"Tony Bryer" wrote in message
...
In article , Kalico wrote:
How typical is that? Will he have voted on it at some point?

Most of these things are 'laid' before Parliament and if no one raises
an objection within x days they are approved by default. I haven't got
time to turn it up now but the parent act - The Building Act -
probably says something like "The Minister may make regulations
concerning ..... "


I fear Tony is correct. Most of these new rules come under the heading of
secondary legislation. To be fair, primary legislation (a new act) is
incredibly expensive so, leaving aside any assessment of the sense of what
is being proposed, it is sensible to allow for "minor" changes (we can argue
about the word "minor") to be done as secondary legislation under the
umbrella of the original act (which will have been voted on years ago).
Nonetheless, it is the duty of MP's to represent their constituents in all
paliamentary legislative matters. It is perhaps unreasonable to expect all
MP's to know about all forthcoming legislation (especially as new
legislation seems to be very popular in certain quarters). Some know nothing
of course, and this should be deplored. Others make it their business to
take an interest in certain areas.


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Bob Mannix wrote:

I fear Tony is correct. Most of these new rules come under the heading of
secondary legislation. To be fair, primary legislation (a new act) is
incredibly expensive so, leaving aside any assessment of the sense of what
is being proposed, it is sensible to allow for "minor" changes (we can argue


This government is very fond of the "statutory instrument". This is
"enabling legislation" that allows for just this type of behaviour, once
it is in place, you can then sweep through additional annual changes
with far less scrutiny than is required for primary legislation.

IIRC it was usualy used to allow things like budgets to be automatically
enacted each year, but seems to be getting far more use as a way of
"burying" unpopular legislation out of conspicuous public view.



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John.

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In article ,
John Rumm wrote:
This government is very fond of the "statutory instrument". This
is "enabling legislation" that allows for just this type of
behaviour, once it is in place, you can then sweep through
additional annual changes with far less scrutiny than is required
for primary legislation.

But, I suspect, business is also much more in favour of this way of
doing things. The general pattern seems to be that it is decided
that some regulations need to be amended. A draft is put together
and sent to hundreds of interested parties and published for public
comment generally, and then, hopefully taking account of the
responses, the final regulations get published.

The upside of this is that the key input into the process comes from
the relevant industry groups who should really know what they are
talking about, also those affected have a good idea of what is
coming long before it happens. The downside of course is that these
groups may well have vested interests to further - the ECA have made
no secret of the fact that they think Part P is a wonderful
innovation and if ant future government sought to revoke it, the ECA
would have letters etc on every MP's desk within a week.

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