Hello again

I have now got the marine ply type stuff for the room, now where it joins
should I do something. Also it has been suggested after it is laid I varnish
it with something?? What type of barrier/varnish??. I will be placing lino
on it, maybe tiles?? What about that stuff that curls up the walls from the
floor, any good. It is not going to be a wet room, a shower cubicle is to be
installed but we have two kids!!.

The last shower leaked badly and the floor has been ripped out and joists
repaired. Leaked in the three corners where the tiles meet the base (to
answer a earlier question).

Now, the new shower base in a concrete one, I am supposed to bed this down
with sand and cement???

Also what is the best sealant to use, the last lot was a value jobbie that
moulded quite quickly.

Also guys and lasses, the new shower thingie??. It will go through a
plasterboard and tiles, but what supports it to the back of the plaster
board???. If it is just the pipes, it will just fall off me thinks??

Any help much appreciated.

Phil

"PhilÅ" wrote in message
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I have now got the marine ply type stuff for the room, now where it joins
should I do something. Also it has been suggested after it is laid I
varnish it with something?? What type of barrier/varnish??. I will be
placing lino on it, maybe tiles?? What about that stuff that curls up the
walls from the floor, any good. It is not going to be a wet room, a shower
cubicle is to be installed but we have two kids!!.

Don't think I'd bother treating the marine ply myself, but I guess first you
need to decide definitely what floor covering you'll be using.

Now, the new shower base in a concrete one, I am supposed to bed this down
with sand and cement???

Do you mean stone-resin? If so, 'yes' - you'll find several threads in the
archives on this (used them myself last week!). But the shower tray should
have come with instructions on what is required (needed to avoid
invalidating warranties, too)

Also what is the best sealant to use, the last lot was a value jobbie that
moulded quite quickly.

Silicone-rubber based... you can get sanitary grade stuff which incorporates
a fungicide; don't know how effective that is at inhibiting mould but
presumably can't be worse than non-fungicidal stuff

Also guys and lasses, the new shower thingie??. It will go through a
plasterboard and tiles, but what supports it to the back of the plaster
board???. If it is just the pipes, it will just fall off me thinks??

Shower thingie... that a technical term :-) Would help if you explained
what type you're using: eg an electric one in a plastic enclosure? one of
those steel 'bar' models? All have different solutions for fixing.


David

Silicone-rubber based... you can get sanitary grade stuff which
incorporates a fungicide; don't know how effective that is at inhibiting
mould but presumably can't be worse than non-fungicidal stuff

Also guys and lasses, the new shower thingie??. It will go through a
plasterboard and tiles, but what supports it to the back of the plaster
board???. If it is just the pipes, it will just fall off me thinks??

Shower thingie... that a technical term :-) Would help if you explained
what type you're using: eg an electric one in a plastic enclosure? one of
those steel 'bar' models? All have different solutions for fixing.

Thanks for the reply, it is a bar thingies mixer, will have two threaded
pipe ends sticking through the wall??

On Fri, 12 Nov 2004 23:40:53 -0000, "PhilÅ"
wrote:

Also what is the best sealant to use, the last lot was a value jobbie that
moulded quite quickly.

If you want _the best_ instead of very good:

http://groups.google.com/groups?q=sh....co.uk&rnum=82

Also guys and lasses, the new shower thingie??. It will go through a
plasterboard and tiles, but what supports it to the back of the plaster
board???. If it is just the pipes, it will just fall off me thinks??

Hmmm...

http://groups.google.com/groups?q=pl...tar t=10&sa=N

cheers,
Pete.

"PhilÅ" wrote in message
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Silicone-rubber based... you can get sanitary grade stuff which
incorporates a fungicide; don't know how effective that is at inhibiting
mould but presumably can't be worse than non-fungicidal stuff

Also guys and lasses, the new shower thingie??. It will go through a
plasterboard and tiles, but what supports it to the back of the plaster
board???. If it is just the pipes, it will just fall off me thinks??

Shower thingie... that a technical term :-) Would help if you explained
what type you're using: eg an electric one in a plastic enclosure? one
of those steel 'bar' models? All have different solutions for fixing.

Thanks for the reply, it is a bar thingies mixer, will have two threaded
pipe ends sticking through the wall??

Thought that might be it - they're b*****s to fit solidly, especially with
cavity walls of some sort. Screwfix do now provide an accessory fitting
pack which is well worth looking at - item ref 56419 if you can get on their
site! Also do a google of "56419" on uk.d-i-y archives; you'll find
discussion of this pack previously.

BTW you mention plasterboard in the shower: you'd be much better off using
aquapanel board instead (search the archives for that too!) as it is much
stiffer than plasterboard (so takes tiles better) and if it does get wet,
won't disintegrate like pb does. Lot more expensive (comes in 900x1200 mm
sheets for about a tenner IIRC?)

David

"Lobster" wrote in message
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"PhilÅ" wrote in message
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Silicone-rubber based... you can get sanitary grade stuff which
incorporates a fungicide; don't know how effective that is at inhibiting
mould but presumably can't be worse than non-fungicidal stuff

Also guys and lasses, the new shower thingie??. It will go through a
plasterboard and tiles, but what supports it to the back of the plaster
board???. If it is just the pipes, it will just fall off me thinks??

Shower thingie... that a technical term :-) Would help if you
explained what type you're using: eg an electric one in a plastic
enclosure? one of those steel 'bar' models? All have different
solutions for fixing.

Thanks for the reply, it is a bar thingies mixer, will have two threaded
pipe ends sticking through the wall??

Thought that might be it - they're b*****s to fit solidly, especially with
cavity walls of some sort. Screwfix do now provide an accessory fitting
pack which is well worth looking at - item ref 56419 if you can get on
their site! Also do a google of "56419" on uk.d-i-y archives; you'll
find discussion of this pack previously.


I have bits like that with the kit, it is the bits that connect on the
otherside of the plasterboard, the side that does not get seen??. Any
ideas??

"PhilÅ" wrote in message
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"Lobster" wrote in message
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"PhilÅ" wrote in message
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Thought that might be it - they're b*****s to fit solidly, especially
with cavity walls of some sort. Screwfix do now provide an accessory
fitting pack which is well worth looking at - item ref 56419 if you can
get on their site! Also do a google of "56419" on uk.d-i-y archives;
you'll find discussion of this pack previously.

I have bits like that with the kit, it is the bits that connect on the
otherside of the plasterboard, the side that does not get seen??. Any
ideas??

OK, so I take it you have something like Screwfix ref 21764, right? If so
do you have something like the conical threaded covers displayed which screw
down the threaded portion of the connector to bear against the wall? If so,
that's a very differerent kettle of fish to what the accessory pack (56419)
contains.... Screwfix don't explain it at all well, but in 56419, under the
chrome cover are large metal plates with holes, which can be mounted rigidly
on the wall using cavity fixing screws etc. Works quite well. I could send
you a scan of the instructions if you want which is probably easiest to
explain as it has pictures - email me.

I've never yet come across or heard about anything intended to fit on the
hidden side of the plasterboard; which is bizarre IMHO. If you have good
access to the back (eg if the other side of the cavity wall has yet to be
fitted) then a large-ish (to spread the load) plate of timber wedged between
the copper pipework and the plasterboard is probably your easiest and best
bet.

David

I have bits like that with the kit, it is the bits that connect on the
otherside of the plasterboard, the side that does not get seen??. Any
ideas??

OK, so I take it you have something like Screwfix ref 21764, right? If so
do you have something like the conical threaded covers displayed which
screw down the threaded portion of the connector to bear against the wall?
If so, that's a very differerent kettle of fish to what the accessory pack
(56419) contains.... Screwfix don't explain it at all well, but in 56419,
under the chrome cover are large metal plates with holes, which can be
mounted rigidly on the wall using cavity fixing screws etc. Works quite
well. I could send you a scan of the instructions if you want which is
probably easiest to explain as it has pictures - email me.

I've never yet come across or heard about anything intended to fit on the
hidden side of the plasterboard; which is bizarre IMHO. If you have good
access to the back (eg if the other side of the cavity wall has yet to be
fitted) then a large-ish (to spread the load) plate of timber wedged
between the copper pipework and the plasterboard is probably your easiest
and best bet.

David


Hi David

Thanks for your help, the shower mixer I have brought can be found at
http://www.taskersdiy.com/index.cfm?...&n=Bathroo ms
2nd item down. It is similar to the one you have put in your last post. The
main bar has two nuts on that firstly the cone shaped chrome disks screw on
(trim), then a connector (dog leg I think they are called??) fits and
apparently goes through the wall?? It would only just reach the other side
of the plaster board. There is no way of securing, the manual says ridged
pipework will hold in place??. I was going to use flexible pipe as it is
hard to reach..
What you suggest sounds reasonable, so if I get the kit you recommend, I
would use this instead of the trim code shaped thingy and the dog leg
connector??

"PhilÅ" wrote in message
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I have bits like that with the kit, it is the bits that connect on the
otherside of the plasterboard, the side that does not get seen??. Any
ideas??

OK, so I take it you have something like Screwfix ref 21764, right? If
so do you have something like the conical threaded covers displayed which
screw down the threaded portion of the connector to bear against the
wall? If so, that's a very differerent kettle of fish to what the
accessory pack (56419) contains.... Screwfix don't explain it at all
well, but in 56419, under the chrome cover are large metal plates with
holes, which can be mounted rigidly on the wall using cavity fixing
screws etc. Works quite well. I could send you a scan of the
instructions if you want which is probably easiest to explain as it has
pictures - email me.

I've never yet come across or heard about anything intended to fit on the
hidden side of the plasterboard; which is bizarre IMHO. If you have good
access to the back (eg if the other side of the cavity wall has yet to be
fitted) then a large-ish (to spread the load) plate of timber wedged
between the copper pipework and the plasterboard is probably your easiest
and best bet.


Thanks for your help, the shower mixer I have brought can be found at
http://www.taskersdiy.com/index.cfm?...&n=Bathroo ms
2nd item down. It is similar to the one you have put in your last post.
The main bar has two nuts on that firstly the cone shaped chrome disks
screw on (trim), then a connector (dog leg I think they are called??) fits
and apparently goes through the wall?? It would only just reach the other
side of the plaster board. There is no way of securing, the manual says
ridged pipework will hold in place??. I was going to use flexible pipe as
it is hard to reach..

If you *don't* use the Screwfix add-on kit, I'd recommend you use fixed
copper pipework to give the whole assembly some rigidity. I originally
fitted mine using plastic piping (no add-on kit) it was a nightmare!

What you suggest sounds reasonable, so if I get the kit you recommend, I
would use this instead of the trim code shaped thingy and the dog leg
connector??

It replaces the conical trim, yes; I think also the dog-leg bit too but
memory fails me. If you order the bits from Screwfix to have a look at them
you can always return them for refund without problem though, if they aren't
appropriate.

David

"PhilÅ" wrote
Hello again

The last shower leaked badly and the floor has been ripped out and joists
repaired. Leaked in the three corners where the tiles meet the base (to
answer a earlier question).

Err, did you install this one ??!!

Paul.

"Zymurgy" wrote in message
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"PhilÅ" wrote
Hello again

The last shower leaked badly and the floor has been ripped out and joists
repaired. Leaked in the three corners where the tiles meet the base (to
answer a earlier question).

Err, did you install this one ??!!

Paul.

hehe, yep I did, although I think the damage was done by the previous one...
Thanks why I want to get it right this time...

On Wed, 17 Nov 2004 15:15:43 -0000, "PhilÅ"
wrote:


"Zymurgy" wrote in message
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"PhilÅ" wrote
Hello again

The last shower leaked badly and the floor has been ripped out and joists
repaired. Leaked in the three corners where the tiles meet the base (to
answer a earlier question).

Err, did you install this one ??!!

Paul.

hehe, yep I did, although I think the damage was done by the previous one...
Thanks why I want to get it right this time...

Hi,

For the best seal between tiles and shower tray, use a 'bond breaker'
at the bottom of the seam:

http://www.google.com/search?q=seam+bond+breaker

Also an extra seam between the shower tray and wall would give more
protection, and bedding the bottom of the lowest row of tiles in
sealant is a very good idea.

cheers,
Pete.