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My neighbour got a Horizon Platinum stair lift in 10yrs ago for his
wife. Shortly afterwards she became totally bedridden so the lift hasn't been used. He had tried to get it removed, expecting some payment but he was told he would have to pay to have it taken away. I can't work out if this is fair or a means of extracting more from the elderly. In any event he now has need of the device himself. He can't find the instructions though it doesn't seem that hard to operate, but there is a low battery warning. I guess this is understandable anyway after 10yrs but I can't find any instructions as to how to replace them, or what regular maintenance is needed eg lubrication. If he decides he does not want to retain it and views as to fair and reasonable alternatives? It is a straight staircase - a dozen steps. -- AnthonyL Why ever wait to finish a job before starting the next? |
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On 07/06/2021 12:23, AnthonyL wrote:
My neighbour got a Horizon Platinum stair lift in 10yrs ago for his wife. Shortly afterwards she became totally bedridden so the lift hasn't been used. He had tried to get it removed, expecting some payment but he was told he would have to pay to have it taken away. I can't work out if this is fair or a means of extracting more from the elderly. In any event he now has need of the device himself. He can't find the instructions though it doesn't seem that hard to operate, but there is a low battery warning. I guess this is understandable anyway after 10yrs but I can't find any instructions as to how to replace them, or what regular maintenance is needed eg lubrication. If he decides he does not want to retain it and views as to fair and reasonable alternatives? It is a straight staircase - a dozen steps. Stannah make it difficult to change batteries too. Their best bet is probably to find a service guy that others recommend. There is a bit of a second-hand market but suppliers and dealers know that old and vulnerable people don't have many options. I had one put in when my mother in law lived with us, but took it out when she went into care and died. I've kept the bits because they are custom rails for a curved staircase. There's possibly more of a DIY market for second hand straight ones. If the old one worked OK, it's probably best to get it fixed rather than look at replacements. |
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newshound formulated the question :
Stannah make it difficult to change batteries too. Their best bet is probably to find a service guy that others recommend. There is a bit of a second-hand market but suppliers and dealers know that old and vulnerable people don't have many options. Not that difficult - just one panel to remove from the seat and the two batteries can be taken out. |
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On 07/06/2021 12:23, AnthonyL wrote:
My neighbour got a Horizon Platinum stair lift in 10yrs ago for his wife. Shortly afterwards she became totally bedridden so the lift hasn't been used. He had tried to get it removed, expecting some payment but he was told he would have to pay to have it taken away. I can't work out if this is fair or a means of extracting more from the elderly. In any event he now has need of the device himself. He can't find the instructions though it doesn't seem that hard to operate, but there is a low battery warning. I guess this is understandable anyway after 10yrs but I can't find any instructions as to how to replace them, or what regular maintenance is needed eg lubrication. If he decides he does not want to retain it and views as to fair and reasonable alternatives? It is a straight staircase - a dozen steps. I have much experience of this issue. The manufacturers generally make things as difficult as possible for customers to have their machines serviced by anyone except their agents, and the charges from them are exorbitant. It is absolutely impossible to obtain maintenance instructions, circuit diagrams, etc. There are a very few freelance maintenance guys but even they can't get any info. Most models make it very difficult to replace the batteries. (Incidentally most machines use two 12V lead acid batteries in series. The skirting board mounted chargers are 33V 1A or 2A, and there is charging regulation in the machine. I have been asked for £200 for one of these chargers by a manufacturer's agent. A far better quality one can be had from RS for about £40. Bill |
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williamwright wrote:
It is absolutely impossible to obtain maintenance instructions, circuit diagrams, etc. I found Acorn user/installer/schematic/training manuals, they seemed to also apply to a Brooks model. Batteries were not that difficult to replace, also managed to get a replacement PCB from eBay when it burned out There are a very few freelance maintenance guys but even they can't get any info. Most models make it very difficult to replace the batteries. (Incidentally most machines use two 12V lead acid batteries in series. The skirting board mounted chargers are 33V 1A or 2A, and there is charging regulation in the machine. I have been asked for £200 for one of these chargers by a manufacturer's agent. A far better quality one can be had from RS for about £40. |
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On 07/06/2021 12:23, AnthonyL wrote:
My neighbour got a Horizon Platinum stair lift in 10yrs ago for his wife. Shortly afterwards she became totally bedridden so the lift hasn't been used. He had tried to get it removed, expecting some payment but he was told he would have to pay to have it taken away. I can't work out if this is fair or a means of extracting more from the elderly. In any event he now has need of the device himself. He can't find the instructions though it doesn't seem that hard to operate, but there is a low battery warning. I guess this is understandable anyway after 10yrs but I can't find any instructions as to how to replace them, or what regular maintenance is needed eg lubrication. If he decides he does not want to retain it and views as to fair and reasonable alternatives? It is a straight staircase - a dozen steps. Unless money is no object, fix it. There should be lots of information available in the form of installation guides like this: https://www.ameriglide.com/cache/145...cument/621.pdf which may be similar (note: "Ameriglide Horizon (platinum)). You have to be a bit inventive with searches, and realise that while the sale, service and parts market is jealously guarded, there are holes. These things normally have yearly maintenance, which seems to be somewhat limited, unless they develop a fault. If he wants to get shot of it, there is a market (e.g. eBay) but prices are low. I bought an Acorn straight stairlift for someone, and installed it myself, it was not difficult. I find the rip-off tactics in much or the disability market to be extremely distasteful. |
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After serious thinking Chris Bacon wrote :
I find the rip-off tactics in much or the disability market to be extremely distasteful. Me too! |
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writes After serious thinking Chris Bacon wrote : I find the rip-off tactics in much or the disability market to be extremely distasteful. Me too! +1 -- bert |
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On 07/06/2021 13:32, Chris Bacon wrote:
On 07/06/2021 12:23, AnthonyL wrote: My neighbour got a Horizon Platinum stair lift in 10yrs ago for his wife.Â* Shortly afterwards she became totally bedridden so the lift hasn't been used. He had tried to get it removed, expecting some payment but he was told he would have to pay to have it taken away.Â* I can't work out if this is fair or a means of extracting more from the elderly. In any event he now has need of the device himself. He can't find the instructions though it doesn't seem that hard to operate, but there is a low battery warning.Â* I guess this is understandable anyway after 10yrs but I can't find any instructions as to how to replace them, or what regular maintenance is needed eg lubrication. If he decides he does not want to retain it and views as to fair and reasonable alternatives?Â* It is a straight staircase - a dozen steps. Unless money is no object, fix it. There should be lots of information available in the form of installation guides like this: https://www.ameriglide.com/cache/145...cument/621.pdf which may be similar (note: "Ameriglide Horizon (platinum)). You have to be a bit inventive with searches, and realise that while the sale, service and parts market is jealously guarded, there are holes. These things normally have yearly maintenance, which seems to be somewhat limited, unless they develop a fault. If he wants to get shot of it, there is a market (e.g. eBay) but prices are low. I bought an Acorn straight stairlift for someone, and installed it myself, it was not difficult. I find the rip-off tactics in much or the disability market to be extremely distasteful. +1 Encounters with disabled products vendors representatives are very much a count your fingers before and after every encounter affair. Creative Googling will find some useful info for most of them sometimes even the odd "how to" videos on Youtube. https://www.manualslib.com/manual/16...izon-Plus.html Looks a likely candidate to me. Good luck. You might need to buy the odd specialist allen key to get inside but that is about it. Good luck -- Regards, Martin Brown |
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On Tue, 8 Jun 2021 20:22:19 +0100, Martin Brown
wrote: On 07/06/2021 13:32, Chris Bacon wrote: On 07/06/2021 12:23, AnthonyL wrote: My neighbour got a Horizon Platinum stair lift in 10yrs ago for his wife.Â* Shortly afterwards she became totally bedridden so the lift hasn't been used. He had tried to get it removed, expecting some payment but he was told he would have to pay to have it taken away.Â* I can't work out if this is fair or a means of extracting more from the elderly. In any event he now has need of the device himself. He can't find the instructions though it doesn't seem that hard to operate, but there is a low battery warning.Â* I guess this is understandable anyway after 10yrs but I can't find any instructions as to how to replace them, or what regular maintenance is needed eg lubrication. If he decides he does not want to retain it and views as to fair and reasonable alternatives?Â* It is a straight staircase - a dozen steps. Unless money is no object, fix it. There should be lots of information available in the form of installation guides like this: https://www.ameriglide.com/cache/145...cument/621.pdf which may be similar (note: "Ameriglide Horizon (platinum)). You have to be a bit inventive with searches, and realise that while the sale, service and parts market is jealously guarded, there are holes. These things normally have yearly maintenance, which seems to be somewhat limited, unless they develop a fault. If he wants to get shot of it, there is a market (e.g. eBay) but prices are low. I bought an Acorn straight stairlift for someone, and installed it myself, it was not difficult. I find the rip-off tactics in much or the disability market to be extremely distasteful. +1 Encounters with disabled products vendors representatives are very much a count your fingers before and after every encounter affair. Creative Googling will find some useful info for most of them sometimes even the odd "how to" videos on Youtube. https://www.manualslib.com/manual/16...izon-Plus.html Looks a likely candidate to me. Good luck. You might need to buy the odd specialist allen key to get inside but that is about it. Good luck Maybe I'm paranoid but as a matter of routine I avoid all those sites offering manuals as I have no real idea of what I'll actually be downloading. Is manualslib.com a reputable source? -- AnthonyL Why ever wait to finish a job before starting the next? |
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On 08/06/2021 20:35, AnthonyL wrote:
On Tue, 8 Jun 2021 20:22:19 +0100, Martin Brown wrote: https://www.manualslib.com/manual/16...izon-Plus.html Maybe I'm paranoid but as a matter of routine I avoid all those sites offering manuals as I have no real idea of what I'll actually be downloading. Is manualslib.com a reputable source? Looks good to me. I've used various manuals from there before. There's alo the youtube installation video I psoted earlier. Go for it! I'd like to DIY a "porter chair", a pushable rerclining chair with wheels for disabled/immobile people. They're expensive, AND the sales push is horrendous. It would be good to be able to avoid the rip-off merchantd. Was thinking of modifying me ol' mum's rise recliner to recline only, and weld on braked wheels and a push handle. But the arms would be better if "removable". Hm, tricky. |
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Maybe I'm paranoid but as a matter of routine I avoid all those sites offering manuals as I have no real idea of what I'll actually be downloading. Is manualslib.com a reputable source? +1 was very suspicious of manualslib, but have now used them a few times for "work" with no problems. From what I remember the download link button is reasonably obvious unlike some free sites. |
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![]() "AnthonyL" wrote in message ... On Tue, 8 Jun 2021 20:22:19 +0100, Martin Brown wrote: On 07/06/2021 13:32, Chris Bacon wrote: On 07/06/2021 12:23, AnthonyL wrote: My neighbour got a Horizon Platinum stair lift in 10yrs ago for his wife. Shortly afterwards she became totally bedridden so the lift hasn't been used. He had tried to get it removed, expecting some payment but he was told he would have to pay to have it taken away. I can't work out if this is fair or a means of extracting more from the elderly. In any event he now has need of the device himself. He can't find the instructions though it doesn't seem that hard to operate, but there is a low battery warning. I guess this is understandable anyway after 10yrs but I can't find any instructions as to how to replace them, or what regular maintenance is needed eg lubrication. If he decides he does not want to retain it and views as to fair and reasonable alternatives? It is a straight staircase - a dozen steps. Unless money is no object, fix it. There should be lots of information available in the form of installation guides like this: https://www.ameriglide.com/cache/145...cument/621.pdf which may be similar (note: "Ameriglide Horizon (platinum)). You have to be a bit inventive with searches, and realise that while the sale, service and parts market is jealously guarded, there are holes. These things normally have yearly maintenance, which seems to be somewhat limited, unless they develop a fault. If he wants to get shot of it, there is a market (e.g. eBay) but prices are low. I bought an Acorn straight stairlift for someone, and installed it myself, it was not difficult. I find the rip-off tactics in much or the disability market to be extremely distasteful. +1 Encounters with disabled products vendors representatives are very much a count your fingers before and after every encounter affair. Creative Googling will find some useful info for most of them sometimes even the odd "how to" videos on Youtube. https://www.manualslib.com/manual/16...izon-Plus.html Looks a likely candidate to me. Good luck. You might need to buy the odd specialist allen key to get inside but that is about it. Good luck Maybe I'm paranoid but as a matter of routine I avoid all those sites offering manuals as I have no real idea of what I'll actually be downloading. Is manualslib.com a reputable source? Yep, never ended up with an infected file from them. |
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On Wed, 9 Jun 2021 06:14:13 +1000, Joey, better known as cantankerous
trolling senile geezer Rodent Speed, wrote: Yep, never ended up with an infected file from them. Oh, ****! And this thread was Rodent-free, so far! tsk -- Kerr-Mudd,John addressing the auto-contradicting senile cretin: "Auto-contradictor Rod is back! (in the KF)" MID: |
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In article , Chris Bacon
writes On 07/06/2021 12:23, AnthonyL wrote: My neighbour got a Horizon Platinum stair lift in 10yrs ago for his wife. Shortly afterwards she became totally bedridden so the lift hasn't been used. He had tried to get it removed, expecting some payment but he was told he would have to pay to have it taken away. I can't work out if this is fair or a means of extracting more from the elderly. In any event he now has need of the device himself. He can't find the instructions though it doesn't seem that hard to operate, but there is a low battery warning. I guess this is understandable anyway after 10yrs but I can't find any instructions as to how to replace them, or what regular maintenance is needed eg lubrication. If he decides he does not want to retain it and views as to fair and reasonable alternatives? It is a straight staircase - a dozen steps. Unless money is no object, fix it. There should be lots of information available in the form of installation guides like this: https://www.ameriglide.com/cache/145...roduct/1116/pr oductDocument/621.pdf which may be similar (note: "Ameriglide Horizon (platinum)). You have to be a bit inventive with searches, and realise that while the sale, service and parts market is jealously guarded, there are holes. These things normally have yearly maintenance, which seems to be somewhat limited, unless they develop a fault. If he wants to get shot of it, there is a market (e.g. eBay) but prices are low. I bought an Acorn straight stairlift for someone, and installed it myself, it was not difficult. I find the rip-off tactics in much or the disability market to be extremely distasteful. Ably supported by the likes of Age(UK) -- bert |
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AnthonyL wrote:
He can't find the instructions though it doesn't seem that hard to operate, but there is a low battery warning. I guess this is understandable anyway after 10yrs but I can't find any instructions as to how to replace them, or what regular maintenance is needed eg lubrication. Not sure if this is the right manufacturer, but it looks like a standard 'UPS' style lead acid battery: https://www.amazon.com/AmeriGlide-Pl.../dp/B087D6P58C which are available in the UK for roughly the same price. This supplier has been recommended on another newsgroup for UPS and their batteries: https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/184853002168 Theo |
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On 07/06/2021 13:46, Theo wrote:
Not sure if this is the right manufacturer, but it looks like a standard 'UPS' style lead acid battery: https://www.amazon.com/AmeriGlide-Pl.../dp/B087D6P58C which are available in the UK for roughly the same price. This supplier has been recommended on another newsgroup for UPS and their batteries: https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/184853002168 I buy batteries from Tayna. They have these: https://www.tayna.co.uk/mobility-bat...-pair-stannah/ (1 pair of batteries, ~£26 delivered). Tayna seem to be good, and I have bought mobility svcooter/car/stairlift/motorbike batteries there. |
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On Mon, 7 Jun 2021 13:56:05 +0100, Chris Bacon
wrote: On 07/06/2021 13:46, Theo wrote: Not sure if this is the right manufacturer, but it looks like a standard 'UPS' style lead acid battery: https://www.amazon.com/AmeriGlide-Pl.../dp/B087D6P58C which are available in the UK for roughly the same price. This supplier has been recommended on another newsgroup for UPS and their batteries: https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/184853002168 I buy batteries from Tayna. They have these: https://www.tayna.co.uk/mobility-bat...-pair-stannah/ (1 pair of batteries, ~£26 delivered). Tayna seem to be good, and I have bought mobility svcooter/car/stairlift/motorbike batteries there. Good stuff if they've got what my neighbour needs. -- AnthonyL Why ever wait to finish a job before starting the next? |
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On 07/06/2021 18:17, AnthonyL wrote:
On Mon, 7 Jun 2021 13:56:05 +0100, Chris Bacon https://www.tayna.co.uk/mobility-bat...-pair-stannah/ (1 pair of batteries, ~£26 delivered). Tayna seem to be good, and I have bought mobility svcooter/car/stairlift/motorbike batteries there. Good stuff if they've got what my neighbour needs. They do look the same size, with the same terminal connecters and +/- positions. Get the side cover off his stairlift, and have a look. If you help him he should be grateful and buy you beers and beers. |
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On 07 Jun 2021 13:46:28 +0100 (BST), Theo
wrote: AnthonyL wrote: He can't find the instructions though it doesn't seem that hard to operate, but there is a low battery warning. I guess this is understandable anyway after 10yrs but I can't find any instructions as to how to replace them, or what regular maintenance is needed eg lubrication. Not sure if this is the right manufacturer, but it looks like a standard 'UPS' style lead acid battery: https://www.amazon.com/AmeriGlide-Pl.../dp/B087D6P58C Interesting: https://www.amazon.co.uk/s?k=B087D6P58C&ref=nb_sb_noss £29.99 which are available in the UK for roughly the same price. This supplier has been recommended on another newsgroup for UPS and their batteries: https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/184853002168 I'll have a closer look, thanks. -- AnthonyL Why ever wait to finish a job before starting the next? |
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He can't find the instructions though it doesn't seem that hard to operate, but there is a low battery warning. I guess this is understandable anyway after 10yrs but I can't find any instructions as to how to replace them, or what regular maintenance is needed eg lubrication. Look online for instructions. They are worthless second hand, though resellers will happily take them away and resell them. Maintenance is minimum, just a wipe down with an oily rag. Fit some new batteries, it will be fine. The batteries last for decades, if looked after and not discharged - basically left diconnected, but given an occaisional charge. Whilst connected, there is always some discharge, unless mains power is left on. |
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On Mon, 07 Jun 2021 15:57:39 +0100, Harry Bloomfield, Esq.
wrote: AnthonyL brought next idea : He can't find the instructions though it doesn't seem that hard to operate, but there is a low battery warning. I guess this is understandable anyway after 10yrs but I can't find any instructions as to how to replace them, or what regular maintenance is needed eg lubrication. Look online for instructions. Never thought of that!!!! -- AnthonyL Why ever wait to finish a job before starting the next? |
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On 07/06/2021 12:23, AnthonyL wrote:
My neighbour got a Horizon Platinum stair lift in 10yrs ago for his wife. Shortly afterwards she became totally bedridden so the lift hasn't been used. He had tried to get it removed, expecting some payment but he was told he would have to pay to have it taken away. I can't work out if this is fair or a means of extracting more from the elderly. In any event he now has need of the device himself. He can't find the instructions though it doesn't seem that hard to operate, but there is a low battery warning. I guess this is understandable anyway after 10yrs but I can't find any instructions as to how to replace them, or what regular maintenance is needed eg lubrication. If he decides he does not want to retain it and views as to fair and reasonable alternatives? It is a straight staircase - a dozen steps. If your neighbour does need a stairlift it will be far cheaper to sort the batteries on the existing one rather than replace it with a different one. If it works the same way as a Stannah which I removed for a friend of mine a year or so ago, the batteries will be attached to the chair. The chair will be battery driven and the batteries will be trickle charged from a mains charger when the chair is parked. The batteries may actually be ok, and just suffering from dis-use. It may be worth motoring the chair up and down and few time, leaving the batteries to re-charge, and then repeating a couple of time. If it still reports battery low, then replace them. You should find generic replacements online if you remove them to find the spec. If it runs out of battery away from a parking/charging location, there should be a cranking handle you can fit to wind it to the end, after removing a small cover. But that takes for ever - so find a socket which fits the spindle and power it with an electric drill instead. -- Cheers, Roger |
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On Tue, 8 Jun 2021 17:22:16 +0100, Roger Mills
wrote: On 07/06/2021 12:23, AnthonyL wrote: My neighbour got a Horizon Platinum stair lift in 10yrs ago for his wife. Shortly afterwards she became totally bedridden so the lift hasn't been used. He had tried to get it removed, expecting some payment but he was told he would have to pay to have it taken away. I can't work out if this is fair or a means of extracting more from the elderly. In any event he now has need of the device himself. He can't find the instructions though it doesn't seem that hard to operate, but there is a low battery warning. I guess this is understandable anyway after 10yrs but I can't find any instructions as to how to replace them, or what regular maintenance is needed eg lubrication. If he decides he does not want to retain it and views as to fair and reasonable alternatives? It is a straight staircase - a dozen steps. If your neighbour does need a stairlift it will be far cheaper to sort the batteries on the existing one rather than replace it with a different one. If it works the same way as a Stannah which I removed for a friend of mine a year or so ago, the batteries will be attached to the chair. The chair will be battery driven and the batteries will be trickle charged from a mains charger when the chair is parked. The batteries may actually be ok, and just suffering from dis-use. It may be worth motoring the chair up and down and few time, leaving the batteries to re-charge, and then repeating a couple of time. If it still reports battery low, then replace them. You should find generic replacements online if you remove them to find the spec. I'll give that a go but I was of the opinion that they are lead acid and I thought once they went flat they never got up to full charge again. At least that's what happens with my car. Still, it'll cost nothing (ok, very little but he's on a solar panel feed in) to find out. If it runs out of battery away from a parking/charging location, there should be a cranking handle you can fit to wind it to the end, after removing a small cover. But that takes for ever - so find a socket which fits the spindle and power it with an electric drill instead. Good tip - thanks. Not sure if the neighbour knows where any bits are. -- AnthonyL Why ever wait to finish a job before starting the next? |
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On 08/06/2021 20:39, AnthonyL wrote:
On Tue, 8 Jun 2021 17:22:16 +0100, Roger Mills wrote: If it runs out of battery away from a parking/charging location, there should be a cranking handle you can fit to wind it to the end, after removing a small cover. But that takes for ever - so find a socket which fits the spindle and power it with an electric drill instead. Good tip - thanks. Not sure if the neighbour knows where any bits are. If he needs a stairlift, a cranking handle will probably not help him. IIW a concerned Y I would fit new batteries, the expense is insignificant compared to the cost of renewing the whole shebang, and maybe contact a third-ish party maintainer to give it the once over, unless the original vendor is prepared to look at after this extended hiatus. These things tend to either work or not work. The most common "intermediate" thing will be battery renewal, or possibly "the end of track "sensor" has slipped", or physical damage to the "stop bumpers". As before, the market for this sort of thing is horrendously pushy, feeding on people's fears, and if I had power, I would open up maintenance a good deal, no sdoubt accompanied by delightful wails and gnashing of teeth from the rip-off mob. |
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Chris Bacon wrote:
If he needs a stairlift, a cranking handle will probably not help him. IIW a concerned Y I would fit new batteries, the expense is insignificant compared to the cost of renewing the whole shebang, and maybe contact a third-ish party maintainer to give it the once over, unless the original vendor is prepared to look at after this extended hiatus. +1 I'd put batteries down as an 'oil and filter' kind of service item, that you replace every few years whether you need to or not. The cost of doing so is small compared to the risk of the user getting stuck / falling / etc. Perhaps a professional repairer might recondition batteries and sell them on to another customer, but I doubt it's going to be worth their while. These things tend to either work or not work. The most common "intermediate" thing will be battery renewal, or possibly "the end of track "sensor" has slipped", or physical damage to the "stop bumpers". They seem pretty simple. If they're mechanically good then a battery change and a bit of lubrication seems like all that's needed to service them. Theo |
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On 08 Jun 2021 23:35:59 +0100 (BST), Theo
wrote: They seem pretty simple. If they're mechanically good then a battery change and a bit of lubrication seems like all that's needed to service them. Just an oily rag, or graphite, silicone, grease? Presumably just needs to be very very light. -- AnthonyL Why ever wait to finish a job before starting the next? |
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In article , AnthonyL
writes My neighbour got a Horizon Platinum stair lift in 10yrs ago for his wife. Shortly afterwards she became totally bedridden so the lift hasn't been used. He had tried to get it removed, expecting some payment but he was told he would have to pay to have it taken away. I can't work out if this is fair or a means of extracting more from the elderly. In any event he now has need of the device himself. He can't find the instructions though it doesn't seem that hard to operate, but there is a low battery warning. I guess this is understandable anyway after 10yrs but I can't find any instructions as to how to replace them, or what regular maintenance is needed eg lubrication. If he decides he does not want to retain it and views as to fair and reasonable alternatives? It is a straight staircase - a dozen steps. The motor battery is normally permanently on charge from a mains charger. Some charge continuously whilst on the move others recharge at either end. Maintenance is kept as a dark art. is this of any use? https://manualzz.com/doc/7925799/pla...--installation -manual -- bert |
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