On 25/05/2021 12:50, GB wrote:
On 25/05/2021 12:37, Andy Burns wrote:
fred wrote:

Serious explosion bellied caused by cut gas pipe. How ? Presumably it
was in error but what would you be doing for that to happen?

"criminal investigation"

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2021/may/24/lancashire-gas-explosion-that-killed-two-year-old-caused-by-cut-gas-pipe



Criminal investigation - the police might have in mind Gross Negligence
Manslaughter, for example.

Seeing as how the people who lived in the house are still in a critical
condition, there may never be any prosecution. And, what would it
achieve anyway?

Bearing in mind that the explosion was at 2AM, the most likely scenario
is a very small nick in the pipe that let gas accumulate once everyone
had gone to bed. I take my hat off to anyone able to work out the cause
of the explosion in that wreckage.

Copper melts at a very high temperature, I'm sure a nick in a pipe would
remain visible.

Perhaps gas bubble testers should be mandatory?

I disturbed a lead pipe carrying gas some years ago which created a leak.

Thankfully the floorboards were up and I could smell the gas a few hours
later, to discover the sweated T-joint was poor quality and could see a
small gap between the pipes.

On 25/05/2021 13:58, Fredxx wrote:
On 25/05/2021 12:50, GB wrote:
On 25/05/2021 12:37, Andy Burns wrote:
fred wrote:

Serious explosion bellied caused by cut gas pipe. How ? Presumably it
was in error but what would you be doing for that to happen?

"criminal investigation"

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2021/may/24/lancashire-gas-explosion-that-killed-two-year-old-caused-by-cut-gas-pipe



Criminal investigation - the police might have in mind Gross
Negligence Manslaughter, for example.

Seeing as how the people who lived in the house are still in a
critical condition, there may never be any prosecution. And, what
would it achieve anyway?

Bearing in mind that the explosion was at 2AM, the most likely
scenario is a very small nick in the pipe that let gas accumulate once
everyone had gone to bed. I take my hat off to anyone able to work out
the cause of the explosion in that wreckage.

Copper melts at a very high temperature, I'm sure a nick in a pipe would
remain visible.

Perhaps gas bubble testers should be mandatory?

I disturbed a lead pipe carrying gas some years ago which created a leak.

I did that by hammering a floor board nail in one side of a pipe and out
of the other :-)

(Mother had just had all the gas pipes replaced, and I was going round
re-fixing the floor boards. One board was a bit mangled in the corner,
so I nailed nearer the middle of the board. That went in rather too
easily. Only then did it occur to me why - the new pipes were not
beneath the suspended floor, but sat in notches in the top of the
joists, and in this case parallel to the floor board)

Thankfully the floorboards were up and I could smell the gas a few hours
later, to discover the sweated T-joint was poor quality and could see a
small gap between the pipes.

Listening carefully for the faint hiss, followed by a small of gas was
enough evidence in this case.

--
Cheers,

John.

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On 25/05/2021 14:58, John Rumm wrote:
On 25/05/2021 13:58, Fredxx wrote:
On 25/05/2021 12:50, GB wrote:
On 25/05/2021 12:37, Andy Burns wrote:
fred wrote:

Serious explosion bellied caused by cut gas pipe. How ? Presumably it
was in error but what would you be doing for that to happen?

"criminal investigation"

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2021/may/24/lancashire-gas-explosion-that-killed-two-year-old-caused-by-cut-gas-pipe



Criminal investigation - the police might have in mind Gross
Negligence Manslaughter, for example.

Seeing as how the people who lived in the house are still in a
critical condition, there may never be any prosecution. And, what
would it achieve anyway?

Bearing in mind that the explosion was at 2AM, the most likely
scenario is a very small nick in the pipe that let gas accumulate
once everyone had gone to bed. I take my hat off to anyone able to
work out the cause of the explosion in that wreckage.

Copper melts at a very high temperature, I'm sure a nick in a pipe
would remain visible.

Perhaps gas bubble testers should be mandatory?

I disturbed a lead pipe carrying gas some years ago which created a leak.

I did that by hammering a floor board nail in one side of a pipe and out
of the other :-)

and you looked sooo innocent in your recent pic.



(Mother had just had all the gas pipes replaced, and I was going round
re-fixing the floor boards. One board was a bit mangled in the corner,
so I nailed nearer the middle of the board. That went in rather too
easily. Only then did it occur to me why - the new pipes were not
beneath the suspended floor, but sat in notches in the top of the
joists, and in this case parallel to the floor board)

Thankfully the floorboards were up and I could smell the gas a few
hours later, to discover the sweated T-joint was poor quality and
could see a small gap between the pipes.

Listening carefully for the faint hiss, followed by a small of gas was
enough evidence in this case.

On 25/05/2021 15:04, Richard wrote:
On 25/05/2021 14:58, John Rumm wrote:
On 25/05/2021 13:58, Fredxx wrote:
On 25/05/2021 12:50, GB wrote:
On 25/05/2021 12:37, Andy Burns wrote:
fred wrote:

Serious explosion bellied caused by cut gas pipe. How ? Presumably it
was in error but what would you be doing for that to happen?

"criminal investigation"

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2021/may/24/lancashire-gas-explosion-that-killed-two-year-old-caused-by-cut-gas-pipe



Criminal investigation - the police might have in mind Gross
Negligence Manslaughter, for example.

Seeing as how the people who lived in the house are still in a
critical condition, there may never be any prosecution. And, what
would it achieve anyway?

Bearing in mind that the explosion was at 2AM, the most likely
scenario is a very small nick in the pipe that let gas accumulate
once everyone had gone to bed. I take my hat off to anyone able to
work out the cause of the explosion in that wreckage.

Copper melts at a very high temperature, I'm sure a nick in a pipe
would remain visible.

Perhaps gas bubble testers should be mandatory?

I disturbed a lead pipe carrying gas some years ago which created a
leak.

I did that by hammering a floor board nail in one side of a pipe and
out of the other :-)

and you looked sooo innocent in your recent pic.


I probably was then :-)


--
Cheers,

John.

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Fredxx wrote in :

On 25/05/2021 12:50, GB wrote:
On 25/05/2021 12:37, Andy Burns wrote:
fred wrote:

Serious explosion bellied caused by cut gas pipe. How ? Presumably
it was in error but what would you be doing for that to happen?

"criminal investigation"

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...hire-gas-explo
sion-that-killed-two-year-old-caused-by-cut-gas-pipe


Many householder know how to turn off the water and electric - but what
about the gas?

On 25/05/2021 18:30, JohnP wrote:
Fredxx wrote in :

On 25/05/2021 12:50, GB wrote:
On 25/05/2021 12:37, Andy Burns wrote:
fred wrote:

Serious explosion bellied caused by cut gas pipe. How ? Presumably
it was in error but what would you be doing for that to happen?

"criminal investigation"

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...hire-gas-explo
sion-that-killed-two-year-old-caused-by-cut-gas-pipe


Many householder know how to turn off the water and electric - but what
about the gas?

Generally easier than the water.

The valve is usually with the meter and that is accessible for reading.

The internal stopcock for the water could be anywhere, often ending up
behind a cupboard or a fridge. The external one may be impossible to
find (ours was never found, but a new one was installed when United
Utilities had to sort a leak under the pavement).

Even if you can find either one, it can be stuck tight or fail to fully
close off. Our internal one would not shut off fully and without a
findable outside one, we had to close it off as much as possible and
then leave a running washing machine hose dangling through the back door
to deal with the remaining flow.

Once the outside one was put in, I replaced the inside one with a
plastic one that is easy to open and close, should not corrode stuck and
is placed in the gas meter cupboard, under the stairs, so is not hidden
behind anything.

Many householder know how to turn off the water and electric - but what
about the gas?

Generally easier than the water.



I agree - but not necessarily appreceated by all housholders.

JohnP wrote:

Many householder know how to turn off the water and electric - but what
about the gas?

Generally easier than the water.

I agree - but not necessarily appreceated by all housholders.

Thinking about all the bits of knowledge that I have about the
house and its basic operation, it struck me that my partner, who
is significantly younger, and therefore more likely to have to
cope with it all sometime, would know little about it.

I have begun a "Home Manual" in which I give details, some with
photos, showing stop taps and isolators, fused spurs (a
surprising number, and not all in obvious positions), heating
system, changing downlights, computer setups and backup
processes, and so forth.

I have also gathered together in a binder as many relevant
instruction manuals as I can find about the house.

Chris
--
Chris J Dixon Nottingham UK
@ChrisJDixon1

Plant amazing Acers.

I have also gathered together in a binder as many relevant
instruction manuals as I can find about the house.

Chris

Good idea - but was it met with dis-interest?

JohnP wrote:

I have also gathered together in a binder as many relevant
instruction manuals as I can find about the house.

Good idea - but was it met with dis-interest?

Far from it. Disinterest is logically impossible. Uninterest was
not noticed, in fact the whole exercise was prompted by a
request.

Chris
--
Chris J Dixon Nottingham UK
@ChrisJDixon1

Plant amazing Acers.

Steve Walker wrote:

The internal stopcock for the water could be anywhere, often ending up
behind a cupboard or a fridge. The external one may be impossible to
find (ours was never found, but a new one was installed when United
Utilities had to sort a leak under the pavement).

Indeed! When I moved into this house ISTR being told that the
stop tap was at the back of a kitchen cupboard.

This cupboard housed a waste bin hung from the opening door. The
stop tap was beneath the bottom panel of the cupboard, which
could only be lifted once the bin had been removed from the door.

I got out a hole saw and cut an access hole, then had to use
pliers to get enough leverage to turn the tap.

Chris
--
Chris J Dixon Nottingham UK
@ChrisJDixon1

Plant amazing Acers.

Chris J Dixon wrote in
:

Steve Walker wrote:

The internal stopcock for the water could be anywhere, often ending up
behind a cupboard or a fridge. The external one may be impossible to
find (ours was never found, but a new one was installed when United
Utilities had to sort a leak under the pavement).

Indeed! When I moved into this house ISTR being told that the
stop tap was at the back of a kitchen cupboard.

This cupboard housed a waste bin hung from the opening door. The
stop tap was beneath the bottom panel of the cupboard, which
could only be lifted once the bin had been removed from the door.

I got out a hole saw and cut an access hole, then had to use
pliers to get enough leverage to turn the tap.

Chris

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