On Sun, 30 May 2021 18:26:25 +0100, "Commander Kinsey"
wrote:

snip

I take it you now have finally discovered that eating meat does not
cause antibiotic resistance in viruses. If so, at least you have made a
little progress. Not much, though, it has to be said.

So, does it cause antibiotic resistance in anything else? You'll get there eventually.

Sad isn't it. I don't think any of them have partners or close family
or they would have them sectioned. ;-(

You're expectation of precision in usenet posts is a clear sign of OCD.

It's the sign of something that's for sure! ;-)

There's no point in the humans in here arguing with OCD morons.

Quite. I wonder what must have happened in their life to make them
become like that? In Spukes case it was the trauma of seeing chickens
killed as a child. It obviously runs very deep in him and why he is so
jealous I can (easily) make lifestyle changes he can't.

Get help.

The biggest step is always realising that they need help.

Cheers, T i m

On Mon, 31 May 2021 18:41:51 +0100, D i m, the absolutely brain dead
notorious troll-feeding senile asshole, blathered, yet again:



Of course,

Of course he is a troll! And of course you keep sucking him off, D I M, you
absolutely brain dead senile cretin!

On Sun, 30 May 2021 19:04:49 +0100, T i m wrote:

On Sun, 30 May 2021 18:08:08 +0100, "Commander Kinsey"
wrote:

On Sat, 29 May 2021 23:20:24 +0100, T i m wrote:

On Sat, 29 May 2021 19:21:27 +0100, "Commander Kinsey"
wrote:

snip

You know, the mother deer 'looking after their young' ...

I should have checked for a tag to identify the owner of the deer that caused £60 of damage to my car!

So, a deer ran into your stationary car and did that sort of damage
did it? ;-)

No, I was going 90.

Kph I hope.

No, mph. It was a 60 limit, so 90 is a reasonable speed to be doing.

It didn't look before crossing,

Why would it, not many predators can do that sort of speed.

I'm sure they've seen cars before. Anyway, if a lion going at 20mph grabbed it it would still die.

it was preoccupied with the female deers which had run across beforehand.

You can't blame him for that then. ;-)

Sex kills, die happy.

Same sort of problem as people who decimate an area that has been
walked by the likes of elephants for thousands of years then they
wonder why the elephants are walking though their crops?

There's a ****ing sign there to tell the deers where to cross!

And it's written in it's language is it, in these days of inclusion?

There's a picture, like this: https://cdn.acidcow.com/pics/2010031...d_signs_17.jpg

On Mon, 31 May 2021 18:46:57 +0100, D i m, the absolutely brain dead
notorious troll-feeding senile asshole, blathered, yet again:



The biggest step is always realising that they need help.

Cheers, D i m

BOTH of you deranged nutters need help more than anyone else here! BG

In article , Spike
writes
On 30/05/2021 18:58, T i m wrote:

Please don't be drawn into the sickos mirroring. I have only ever
questioned the illogic of both teaching children to respect and care
for animals and then feeding them the dismembered remains of animals.
I offer links to documentary and educational videos on Youtube (of all
places) and the pathetic pussy trolls won't watch is and so have no
idea what it actually contains.

When you were earlier on urging people to watch your choice of videos of
animals being slaughtered in the name of 'education', I told you that
when I was very young I had seen our chickens killed, bled, plucked,
cleaned, dressed, cooked and served. Your response to that was to say
that I had been 'conditioned'. But here you are urging the same thing on
children. This is, if course, pure hypocrisy on your part as you seek to
'condition' them to accept your beliefs. Anything depths may be plumbed,
in fact, to further your anti-meat-eating crusade thinly disguised under
a cloak of the veganism you were brow-beaten in to.

It's a pity there' no one able to have a quiet wood with little Timmie
to persuade him to stop making such a prat of himself. I have some
sympathy for his plight as he is obviously autistic bordering on the
Aspergers range. This tends to make its victims pick on a campaign and
become obsessive about it just like the little Swedish prick. There's no
point trying to offer rational arguments, his obsession prevents him
from participating sensibly and so all you get is abusive rants. AS I
say I have a certain amount of sympathy and I normally just ignore the
crap he posts but unfortunately sometimes I cannot resist the temptation
to poke him and sit back and laugh at all the frothing at the mouth
which ensues. I know I shouldn't really, but then it is fun.
--
bert

On Tue, 1 Jun 2021 05:16:31 +1000, cantankerous trolling geezer Rodent
Speed, the auto-contradicting senile sociopath, blabbered, again:

FLUSH the two subnormal sociopathic cretins' endless absolutely idiotic
blather

--
Another typical retarded conversation between our two village idiots,
Birdbrain and Rodent Speed:

Birdbrain: "You beat me to it. Plain sex is boring."

Senile Rodent: "Then **** the cats. That wont be boring."

Birdbrain: "Sell me a de-clawing tool first."

Senile Rodent: "Wont help with the teeth."

Birdbrain: "They've never gone for me with their mouths."

Rodent Speed: "They will if you are stupid enough to try ****ing them."

Birdbrain: "No, they always use claws."

Rodent Speed: "They wont if you try ****ing them. Try it and see."

Message-ID:

On Mon, 31 May 2021 18:38:10 +0100, "Commander Kinsey"
wrote:

snip

So why call him out on something irrelevant?

Because you are right, he's not 'right' and so can't help himself. ;-(

Most studies say the claim is fallacious,

It's obvious it's true.

Of course it is ... and why all his bitching and crying is completely
pointless.

We all know things build up a resistance. Why do you think doctors don't hand out antibiotics as much as they used to? They're running out of ones that are still effective.

Bingo ... except because he is indoctrinated to eat meat and doesn't
have the willpower to stop or actually care enough about the animals
to help him decide, he will deny *everything* that he thinks
challenges his right (as he see it and has actually stated on several
occasions, superior species etc) if he wants.

We always knew (me, the Mrs, our daughter) that caring for animals and
killing them for their flesh caused us a moral conflict but our
indoctrination (being given 'meat' as a child), all the Meat industry
normalising our exploitation of animals and 'routine' meant we carried
on (all be it across a very basic rage of species, mainly chicken, pig
and cow (+sheep for the Mrs).

It daughter realising that going vegetarian wasn't really enough so
was going to try going vegan in veganuary and we thought we would
support her by doing the same (much to her surprise). Even more to her
surprise we carried on after veganuaray as did she, then her finding a
vegan boyfriend and her step niece happily going along with it as
well (she did a lot of cooking of healthy high energy vegetable based
foods for her Mum when she was dying of bowel cancer), all made it
very easy / normal.

Like any changes to something you have been doing most of your life,
there were some things that took longer than others but we only have
to think of the animal suffering and any questions go straight out of
the window!

We walked 5 miles with the dog today (dropping off some 3D printing
I'd done for a mate and watering some freshly planted memorial trees
for another), even though it was a bit warm ... and popped into the
kebab shop on the way home for a big box of their mixed salad and put
that in a wrap with some vegan chicken and sauces when we got home.
;-)

Just had a cup of tea with oat milk and some vegan chocolate and then
we will play with the dog and his puzzle game (all part of his
enrichment) before taking him out for another walk (well, it's more a
sniffari). ;-)

Cheers, T i m

On Mon, 31 May 2021 18:38:54 +0100, "Commander Kinsey"
wrote:

snip

Responding with an insult doesn't negate the fact I stated about you.

The most common signs the trolls present are that of a bully, happy to
hand it out but can't take it at all (bleating a crying as soon as
someone stands up to them).

The problem with these two (Spuke and DickHeadxx) is they also have
the issue of being LBD so they *actually* don't realise what they are
doing and why it's hypocritical.

It's obvious they have no pride or respect or they wouldn't constantly
try to state that black is white (and blatantly lying in the process)
in a public forum.

Cheers, T i m

On Mon, 31 May 2021 18:39:41 +0100, "Commander Kinsey"
wrote:

snip

What do you think happens when a dairy cow stops producing?

It's eaten by a meat eater. I'm not a meat eater.

No, but you were saying that an unnecessary death is what is paramount
and that's exactly what happens in both dairy and egg production, if
not directly to the animals themselves (well, it happens much quicker
than it might in real life but only after some period of exploitation
etc).

Cheers, T i m

On Mon, 31 May 2021 21:50:17 +0100, D i m, the absolutely brain dead
notorious troll-feeding senile asshole, blathered, yet again:


Because you are right, he's not 'right' and so can't help himself. ;-(

That's applies EXACTLY to you two deranged sickos! It's a HOOT! LOL

On Mon, 31 May 2021 22:01:37 +0100, D i m, the absolutely brain dead
notorious troll-feeding senile asshole, blathered, yet again:


The most common signs the trolls present

is the endless idiotic bull**** they keep spouting, just like the two of
you!

"bert" wrote in message
...
In article , Spike
writes
On 30/05/2021 18:58, T i m wrote:

Please don't be drawn into the sickos mirroring. I have only ever
questioned the illogic of both teaching children to respect and care
for animals and then feeding them the dismembered remains of animals.
I offer links to documentary and educational videos on Youtube (of all
places) and the pathetic pussy trolls won't watch is and so have no
idea what it actually contains.

When you were earlier on urging people to watch your choice of videos of
animals being slaughtered in the name of 'education', I told you that
when I was very young I had seen our chickens killed, bled, plucked,
cleaned, dressed, cooked and served. Your response to that was to say
that I had been 'conditioned'. But here you are urging the same thing on
children. This is, if course, pure hypocrisy on your part as you seek to
'condition' them to accept your beliefs. Anything depths may be plumbed,
in fact, to further your anti-meat-eating crusade thinly disguised under
a cloak of the veganism you were brow-beaten in to.

It's a pity there' no one able to have a quiet wood with little Timmie

Is that one of those golf clubs ? Bit cruel.

to persuade him to stop making such a prat of himself. I have some
sympathy for his plight as he is obviously autistic bordering on the
Aspergers range. This tends to make its victims pick on a campaign and
become obsessive about it just like the little Swedish prick. There's no
point trying to offer rational arguments, his obsession prevents him from
participating sensibly and so all you get is abusive rants. AS I say I
have a certain amount of sympathy and I normally just ignore the crap he
posts but unfortunately sometimes I cannot resist the temptation to poke
him and sit back and laugh at all the frothing at the mouth which ensues.
I know I shouldn't really, but then it is fun.
--
bert

On Mon, 31 May 2021 18:48:00 +0100, "Commander Kinsey"
wrote:

snip

No, I was going 90.

Kph I hope.

No, mph. It was a 60 limit, so 90 is a reasonable speed to be doing.

Hmm, and through an area likely to contain wildlife with no road
sense?

It didn't look before crossing,

Why would it, not many predators can do that sort of speed.

I'm sure they've seen cars before.

Yes, but not for the thousands of years they might need to evolve the
right response.

Anyway, if a lion going at 20mph grabbed it it would still die.

It wouldn't if it could run faster than the lion (and they often can)
and they often get away, even if felled.

it was preoccupied with the female deers which had run across beforehand.

You can't blame him for that then. ;-)

Sex kills, die happy.

It's how I hope to go. ;-)

Same sort of problem as people who decimate an area that has been
walked by the likes of elephants for thousands of years then they
wonder why the elephants are walking though their crops?

There's a ****ing sign there to tell the deers where to cross!

And it's written in it's language is it, in these days of inclusion?

There's a picture, like this: https://cdn.acidcow.com/pics/2010031...d_signs_17.jpg

Ah, is that in Wales?

Cheers, T i m

On Mon, 31 May 2021 20:51:19 +0100, bert wrote:

snip

It's a pity there' no one able to have a quiet wood with little Timmie
to persuade him to stop making such a prat of himself.

Aww Spuke / Burk, I didn't think you cared. ;-)

I have some
sympathy for his plight as he is obviously autistic bordering on the
Aspergers range.

Sympathy because you know what it's like?

This tends to make its victims pick on a campaign and
become obsessive about it just like the little Swedish prick.

Except I'm not on any 'campaign', 99.9% of my day is spent doing loads
of other things.

There's no
point trying to offer rational arguments,

Bwhahahaha !!!! Yeah, fat chance. How about trying to find one
yourself, when it's justifying the position of someone who kills
animals to use / eat versus someone who doesn't.

his obsession prevents him
from participating sensibly and so all you get is abusive rants.

You have no idea princess.

AS I
say I have a certain amount of sympathy

BULL****.

and I normally just ignore the
crap he posts

That's not a lot of work then eh?

but unfortunately sometimes I cannot resist the temptation
to poke him and sit back and laugh at all the frothing at the mouth
which ensues.

Aww bless, you think that's what I'm doing whist watching you dig
yourself ever deeper in your hole of lies and denial?

I know I shouldn't really, but then it is fun.

That's good then, I'm glad you are also enjoying it.

Cheers, T i m

"T i m" wrote in message
...
On Mon, 31 May 2021 18:48:00 +0100, "Commander Kinsey"
wrote:

snip

No, I was going 90.

Kph I hope.

No, mph. It was a 60 limit, so 90 is a reasonable speed to be doing.

Hmm, and through an area likely to contain wildlife with no road
sense?

It didn't look before crossing,

Why would it, not many predators can do that sort of speed.

I'm sure they've seen cars before.

Yes, but not for the thousands of years they might need to evolve the
right response.

Anyway, if a lion going at 20mph grabbed it it would still die.

It wouldn't if it could run faster than the lion (and they often can)
and they often get away, even if felled.

it was preoccupied with the female deers which had run across
beforehand.

You can't blame him for that then. ;-)

Sex kills, die happy.

It's how I hope to go. ;-)

It did happen to one of our ex prime ministers with a prostitute.

She claimed that she didn't realise he had died.

Same sort of problem as people who decimate an area that has been
walked by the likes of elephants for thousands of years then they
wonder why the elephants are walking though their crops?

There's a ****ing sign there to tell the deers where to cross!

And it's written in it's language is it, in these days of inclusion?

There's a picture, like this:
https://cdn.acidcow.com/pics/2010031...d_signs_17.jpg

Ah, is that in Wales?

Cheers, T i m

On Tue, 1 Jun 2021 07:13:16 +1000, cantankerous trolling geezer Rodent
Speed, the auto-contradicting senile sociopath, blabbered, again:

FLUSH the trolling senile pest's latest troll**** unread

--
Norman Wells addressing trolling senile Rodent:
"Ah, the voice of scum speaks."
MID:

On Mon, 31 May 2021 22:05:49 +0100, D i m, the absolutely brain dead
notorious troll-feeding senile asshole, blathered, yet again:


It's eaten by a meat eater. I'm not a meat eater.

No, but you

It's actually YOU who keeps eating his "meat", every day, D I M, you
disgusting senile cretin!

On Mon, 31 May 2021 22:14:55 +0100, D i m, the absolutely brain dead
notorious troll-feeding senile asshole, blathered, yet again:


Hmm

You like what you got in your senile mouth, senile sucker of troll cock?
BG

On Tue, 1 Jun 2021 07:36:36 +1000, cantankerous trolling geezer Rodent
Speed, the auto-contradicting senile sociopath, blabbered, again:


It did happen to one of our ex prime ministers with a prostitute.

Compare that to the way YOU will croak: all alone, forsaken, with nobody
missing you and your rotting corpse stinking up your environment!

--
Norman Wells addressing trolling senile Rodent:
"Ah, the voice of scum speaks."
MID:

On Tue, 1 Jun 2021 07:36:36 +1000, "Rod Speed"
wrote:

snip

Sex kills, die happy.

It's how I hope to go. ;-)

It did happen to one of our ex prime ministers with a prostitute.

Oooerr.

She claimed that she didn't realise he had died.

Not sure just how much of an active part he was playing then. ;-(

Cheers, T i m

On 31/05/2021 18:38, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Sat, 29 May 2021 20:47:11 +0100, Fredxx wrote:

On 29/05/2021 19:22, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Sat, 29 May 2021 08:58:41 +0100, Spike
wrote:

On 28/05/2021 20:33, Fredxx wrote:
On 28/05/2021 20:07, T i m wrote:
*"Commander Kinsey" wrote:

No, the main point is injecting animals which we eat with
antibiotics makes *something* antibiotic resistant.

Quite.

That you jumped on him saying virus instead of bacteria is childish.

And not only the once and not only that particular troll.

So anyone corrects your lies is now a troll.

Assuming T i m can count, perhaps he should revisit his posts on the
subject, and see how many times he repeated "eating meat causes
antibiotic resistance n viruses" *after* having his 'mistake'
corrected.

But he won't of course, he'll continue to cover his error by hurling
abuse.

Are you really so thick you can't see the point he was making?* Hint,
the word virus was nothing to do with it.

Are you so myopic and thick you don't recognise a fanatic peddling lies?

Of course I know the point he was attempting to make.

So why call him out on something irrelevant?

Quite, because I saw through his fanaticism and lies to see the point he
was trying to get over, namely, "eating meat makes viruses antibiotic
resistant".

Most studies say the claim is fallacious,

It's obvious it's true.* We all know things build up a resistance.* Why
do you think doctors don't hand out antibiotics as much as they used
to?* They're running out of ones that are still effective.

That's the point, to a myopic simple mind it will be obvious. Studies
suggest otherwise. However, I would be more than happy to see
antibiotics banned for animals as a precaution. T i m wouldn't agree.
Maybe you would?

On 31/05/2021 21:50, T i m wrote:
On Mon, 31 May 2021 18:38:10 +0100, "Commander Kinsey"
wrote:

snip

So why call him out on something irrelevant?

Because you are right, he's not 'right' and so can't help himself. ;-(

Most studies say the claim is fallacious,

It's obvious it's true.

Of course it is ... and why all his bitching and crying is completely
pointless.

That's the point, to a myopic simple mind it will be obvious. Studies
suggest otherwise. However, I would be more than happy to see
antibiotics banned for animals as a precaution. We know you wouldn't agree.

We all know things build up a resistance. Why do you think doctors don't hand out antibiotics as much as they used to? They're running out of ones that are still effective.

Bingo ... except because he is indoctrinated to eat meat and doesn't
have the willpower to stop or actually care enough about the animals
to help him decide, he will deny *everything* that he thinks
challenges his right (as he see it and has actually stated on several
occasions, superior species etc) if he wants.

That's the difference between you and me. I do care and have said a
number of time in this group I have no issue withy the banning of
antibiotics for non-humans.

My right is to feed people with a healthy balanced diet, rather than one
that damages brain development. Thank god your daughter doesn't want
children,

We always knew (me, the Mrs, our daughter) that caring for animals and
killing them for their flesh caused us a moral conflict but our
indoctrination (being given 'meat' as a child), all the Meat industry
normalising our exploitation of animals and 'routine' meant we carried
on (all be it across a very basic rage of species, mainly chicken, pig
and cow (+sheep for the Mrs).

That is your moral conflict. I accept that meat forms part of a natural
healthy diet and have minimal moral conflict.

There is more conflict keeping pets, and feeding them meat products, or
being cruel and against veterinary advice providing your dog a plant
based diet.

On 31/05/2021 18:41, T i m wrote:
On Sun, 30 May 2021 18:25:07 +0100, "Commander Kinsey"
wrote:

snip
Not because he is actually thick as such, just not bright enough to
realise how much he is showing everyone (well, those who don't have
him killfiled etc) just how much of a troll so left brainer he is (Not
all left brainers are trolls of course, just the lack of empathy and
no understanding of 'self' (self respect) mean they typically are).

Abuse, the final response of a lost argument.

Abuse is what you lot did when picking up on him using the wrong word.

Of course, except they will never admit to that therefore see, let
alone accept it. And why would they, how would them admitting they are
LBD and unable to deal with such thing like others / reasonable people
going to help their stance.

Further, it's like wrestling a pig, you both get covered in **** but
they enjoy it. For the same reason (LBD)

Lewy Body Dementia? Best keep to a recommended natural balanced diet.

, they have no understanding
of 'self' and so no 'self respect', something that would stop normal
people making stuff up and repeating it as fact. But it's not
surprising these particular trolls do it, they have *nothing* else.
;-(

You don't have a clue. The only person with a lack of self respect is
the troll who repeated posts issues of his own fanaticism, abusing those
who choose a balanced diet for themselves and their family. I promote
normal brain development in our younger generation. You don't.

You couldn't be bothered discussing the actual argument, instead you chose to analyse tiny irrelevant mistakes.

Not irrelevant to *them* because they think they can score points from
it. ITRW it just confirms how pathetic and childish they really are.

You find it difficult to discuss your lies dressed up as facts.

Hint, the word virus was nothing to do with it.

Quite, just that *FACT* isn't of interest to the Trolls, too busy
making up all sorts of BS and FUD as they dig their holes ever deeper

When you stop spouting nonsense like, "eating meat makes viruses
antibiotic resistant" we will have come a long way.

When you learn to substitute a word to find the real meaning, and manage to continue the discussion about antibiotics, we'll have come a long way.

Won't happen. One of the issues with being *that* LeftBrainDominant is

The issue is you resort to abuse when your lies are shown for what they are.
a complete inability to *unlock* some information when you believe it
to be true / relevant / correct. 'Normal people'

We are normal people with a normal, natural balanced diet. The only
abnormal one here is a fanatical troll, showing his envy to others that
we're allowed to eat meat and he isn't.

are just talking
heads to them, a noise to be ignored and the only people they listen
to are those who happen to share the same POV as them. Anyone holding
a contradictory POV to them is the enemy.

That doesn't make sense. My posts here are to correct your lamentable
lies, and put forward the fallacy that a vegan diet is healthy.

There is no discussion
because discussion requires skills they simply don't have, like
empathy.

There is no real discussion because your facts are shown for what they
are, simply lies. When found out you resort to abuse.

That's why they are petrified of me, them having the self
appointed 'duty' to 'correct' everything *they think* isn't true (even
when in most cases it is true) when I am happy to let them spout their
lies and BS knowing only they believe it.

By all means think I am petrified of you. I actually find you quite sad,
showing great envy we're allowed to eat me, whereas your not; where I
can stop at a kebab shop and get the real deal, rather than some
synthetic alternative.

So they are insignificant to me and (of course) knowing what I think
of them makes them even worse, 'how dare I have to audacity to ignore
them' etc. ;-)

Of course, anyone who disagrees with you is insignificant. You are truly
narcissistic.

If they had anything like a valid case, they would use it and wouldn't
need to resort to lies and bull**** (like suggesting I 'want' to eat
meat when the thought of it makes me feel sick. However, *IF* I wanted
to eat meat there is no one that would try or be able to stop me
(especially given I do all the shopping [1] and cooking)).

I do provide valid arguments, ones that are backed up by independent
articles.

Bottom line, no matter how they try to deny it and lie otherwise,
every vegan is causing less harm to the animals (live stock and
wildlife) and the environment than any meat eater and most sensible
meat eaters accept that and either don't care, or don't care enough to
do anything about it.

That depends on the definition of harm. I am in favour of improvements
in animal welfare, whereas you are on record as DGAF.

Cheers, T i m

[1] I picked up something in Iceland the other day that I thought was
vegan but was vegetarian (it contained milk) so gave it to the guy
next door.

That was careless.

On 30/05/2021 18:25, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Sat, 29 May 2021 23:49:52 +0100, Fredxx wrote:

On 29/05/2021 22:31, T i m wrote:
On Sat, 29 May 2021 19:22:44 +0100, "Commander Kinsey"
wrote:

On Sat, 29 May 2021 08:58:41 +0100, Spike
wrote:

On 28/05/2021 20:33, Fredxx wrote:
On 28/05/2021 20:07, T i m wrote:
* "Commander Kinsey" wrote:

No, the main point is injecting animals which we eat with
antibiotics makes *something* antibiotic resistant.

Quite.

That you jumped on him saying virus instead of bacteria is
childish.

And not only the once and not only that particular troll.

So anyone corrects your lies is now a troll.

Assuming T i m can count, perhaps he should revisit his posts on the
subject, and see how many times he repeated "eating meat causes
antibiotic resistance n viruses" *after* having his 'mistake'
corrected.

But he won't of course, he'll continue to cover his error by
hurling abuse.

Are you really so thick you can't see the point he was making?

Ooooh, oooooh, I can answer that with an emphatic and unequivocal
*YES!!*

Not because he is actually thick as such, just not bright enough to
realise how much he is showing everyone (well, those who don't have
him killfiled etc) just how much of a troll so left brainer he is (Not
all left brainers are trolls of course, just the lack of empathy and
no understanding of 'self' (self respect) mean they typically are).

Abuse, the final response of a lost argument.

Abuse is what you lot did when picking up on him using the wrong word.
You couldn't be bothered discussing the actual argument, instead you
chose to analyse tiny irrelevant mistakes.

T i m repeated the claim a number of times. It was no an unintentional
slip.

He is sufficiently fanatical in his outlook, and desperate, the truth no
longer matters. He spouts lies so often he cannot recognise the truth.

Hint, the word virus was nothing to do with it.

Quite, just that *FACT* isn't of interest to the Trolls, too busy
making up all sorts of BS and FUD as they dig their holes ever deeper

When you stop spouting nonsense like, "eating meat makes viruses
antibiotic resistant" we will have come a long way.

When you learn to substitute a word to find the real meaning, and manage
to continue the discussion about antibiotics, we'll have come a long way.

I have said a number of times that I would be happy or a ban on
antibiotics for non-humans. I therefore am wondering if you're missing
some point. Perhaps it is you who would have come a long way if you
could accept that is my position, rather than seemingly wishing it wasn't.

On 31/05/2021 22:01, T i m wrote:
On Mon, 31 May 2021 18:38:54 +0100, "Commander Kinsey"
wrote:

snip

Responding with an insult doesn't negate the fact I stated about you.

The most common signs the trolls present are that of a bully, happy to
hand it out but can't take it at all (bleating a crying as soon as
someone stands up to them).

The problem with these two (Spuke and DickHeadxx) is they also have
the issue of being LBD so they *actually* don't realise what they are
doing and why it's hypocritical.

It's obvious they have no pride or respect or they wouldn't constantly
try to state that black is white (and blatantly lying in the process)
in a public forum.


You and P Hucker conform to the very definition of a Usenet troll.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_troll
A "troll is a person who starts flame wars or intentionally upsets
people on the Internet. This is typically done by posting inflammatory
and digressive,[1] extraneous, or *off-topic* *messages* in an online
community (such as a newsgroup, forum, chat room, or blog), with the
intent of provoking readers into displaying emotional responses".

I have never started a thread in this newsgroup regarding my, or
anyone's diet. My only posts have been to correct lies by fanatical trolls.

On 31/05/2021 18:46, T i m wrote:
On Sun, 30 May 2021 18:26:25 +0100, "Commander Kinsey"
wrote:

snip

I take it you now have finally discovered that eating meat does not
cause antibiotic resistance in viruses. If so, at least you have made a
little progress. Not much, though, it has to be said.

So, does it cause antibiotic resistance in anything else? You'll get there eventually.

Sad isn't it. I don't think any of them have partners or close family
or they would have them sectioned. ;-(

I'm not fanatic, starting discussions on food in a DIY newsgroup. Nor do
I show signs of B12 deficiency. Nor do I suffer cognitive dissonance
from keeping pets.

You're expectation of precision in usenet posts is a clear sign of OCD.

It's the sign of something that's for sure! ;-)

There's no point in the humans in here arguing with OCD morons.

Quite. I wonder what must have happened in their life to make them
become like that? In Spukes case it was the trauma of seeing chickens
killed as a child. It obviously runs very deep in him and why he is so
jealous I can (easily) make lifestyle changes he can't.

The only OCD I show here is to correct lies propagated by the likes of T
i m / Trump. The issue is more about believing their own lies.

Get help.

The biggest step is always realising that they need help.

I'm not the fanatic starting threads on dietary beliefs.

On 31/05/2021 22:24, T i m wrote:
On Mon, 31 May 2021 20:51:19 +0100, bert wrote:

snip

It's a pity there' no one able to have a quiet wood with little Timmie
to persuade him to stop making such a prat of himself.

Aww Spuke / Burk, I didn't think you cared. ;-)

You're not coming across as a balanced person. Yes you need help.

I have some
sympathy for his plight as he is obviously autistic bordering on the
Aspergers range.

Sympathy because you know what it's like?

Sounds like denial. Typical of aspergers, unable to see their own OCD
fanaticism.

This tends to make its victims pick on a campaign and
become obsessive about it just like the little Swedish prick.

Except I'm not on any 'campaign', 99.9% of my day is spent doing loads
of other things.

That would be 86 seconds per day. Given the sheer number of fanatical
posts that is another lie that Trump would be proud of.

There's no
point trying to offer rational arguments,

Bwhahahaha !!!! Yeah, fat chance. How about trying to find one
yourself, when it's justifying the position of someone who kills
animals to use / eat versus someone who doesn't.

The justification is simple, eating meat is a natural element of a
balanced diet.

his obsession prevents him
from participating sensibly and so all you get is abusive rants.

You have no idea princess.

It's a certainty you're a fanatical troll.

AS I
say I have a certain amount of sympathy

BULL****.

I do too, you need help and yes I feel sorry for the envy you feel.

and I normally just ignore the
crap he posts

That's not a lot of work then eh?

but unfortunately sometimes I cannot resist the temptation
to poke him and sit back and laugh at all the frothing at the mouth
which ensues.

Aww bless, you think that's what I'm doing whist watching you dig
yourself ever deeper in your hole of lies and denial?

What lies, the lies predominately come from you.

I know I shouldn't really, but then it is fun.

That's good then, I'm glad you are also enjoying it.

On 31/05/2021 18:26, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Sat, 29 May 2021 21:02:58 +0100, Fredxx wrote:

On 29/05/2021 19:12, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Thu, 27 May 2021 09:51:01 +0100, Spike
wrote:

On 26/05/2021 20:25, T i m wrote:
*"Rod Speed" wrote:

Whereas you claim, "eating meat makes viruses antibiotic
resistant",
which is just as valid as your other claims.

It's common knowledge.* Here, will you believe the World Health
Organisation?

https://www.who.int/news/item/07-11-...tic-resistance



That says nothing about VIRUSES.

Rod, all this is simply the trolls trying to make something out of
nothing because *nothing* is all they have.

I 'happened' to use the word viruses (because the word was in my mind
with the pandemic) incorrectly, but the likes of ****Headxx has then
latched onto that *mistake* and tried to turn it into an arguing
point.

That's total claptrap.

You came out with your 'eating meat causes antibiotic resistance in
virus' claims, and carried on repeating them in the teeth of the facts
that you were repeatedly told.

You then back-pedalled as fast as you could, and are now shifting your
grounds by claiming it was a 'mistake', which of course is yet another
back-pedal.

None of that has any credibility, and is laughable, so you then resort
to....

The spirit of my point.

Which is your third back-pedal on the subject.

Have you ever thought of researching your topic-de-jour, or do you
blindly believe the vegan **** that you lap up so carelessly?

If you go back and change virus to bacteria in his post, you can read
what he meant.* Do you have an answer to that fact?

Yes, he's ignorant of the facts.

The point he was making was whether something becomes immune to overuse
of antibiotics.* What that something is that becomes immune is
irrelevant.* Your OCD is preventing you from focusing on the topic in hand.

The point T i m was making was, "eating meat makes viruses antibiotic
resistant" and he repeated the claim a number of times. It was no an
unintentional slip.

He is sufficiently fanatical in his outlook, and desperate, the truth no
longer matters. He spouts lies so often he cannot recognise the truth.

I admit to being OCD in correcting the fanatic's lies.

Heavens above, you probably still believe that covid sprang from a
wet-market.

Well that is daft, we all know it came from a lab.

Again, that may be so, but the jury's out on that one. I would have
thought you would be open minded to the possibility it did indeed come
from a wet market rather than being of a closed mind and myopic in
nature.

I've seen the articles, I know they were studying it.

Good, then you will understand the effect is not clear-cut. However, I
would be more than happy to see antibiotics banned for animals as a
precaution. T i m wouldn't agree. Maybe you would?

On Tue, 1 Jun 2021 03:10:27 +0100, Fredxx, the notorious, troll-feeding,
senile smartass, blathered again:


Quite, because I saw through his fanaticism and lies

You senile sicko can't even see that you are feeding the dumbest troll
around. You are simply too full of yourself to see it, you notorious
smartass. BG

On Tue, 1 Jun 2021 03:50:24 +0100, Fredxx, the notorious, troll-feeding,
senile smartass, blathered again:


I have said a number of times that I would be happy or a ban on
antibiotics for non-humans.

I've said it a number of times and will say it again, I'd be happy if you
finally shut your troll-feeding senile gob, you curious smartass! G

On Tue, 1 Jun 2021 04:13:57 +0100, Fredxx, the notorious, troll-feeding,
senile smartass, blathered again:



Good, then you will understand the effect is not clear-cut.

The point is that you are so full of yourself and addicted to your
smartassing that you REFUSE to see that you are feeding a retarded, proven
clinically insane troll. Otherwise you'd have no opportunity to display what
a smartass you are, senile twit! LOL

On Tue, 1 Jun 2021 03:55:54 +0100, Fredxx, the notorious, troll-feeding,
senile smartass, blathered again:


You and P Hucker conform to the very definition of a Usenet troll.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_troll
A "troll is a person who starts flame wars or intentionally upsets
people on the Internet. This is typically done by posting inflammatory
and digressive,[1] extraneous, or *off-topic* *messages* in an online
community (such as a newsgroup, forum, chat room, or blog), with the
intent of provoking readers into displaying emotional responses".

I have never started a thread in this newsgroup regarding my, or
anyone's diet. My only posts have been to correct lies by fanatical trolls.

And the notorious smartass reveals again what a smartass he really is!
Absolutely hilarious! LOL

On Tue, 1 Jun 2021 04:01:06 +0100, Fredxx, the notorious, troll-feeding,
senile smartass, blathered again:



I'm not the fanatic starting threads on dietary beliefs.

But you are retarded enough to feed the troll that started it and keep the
thread alive! ****ing stupid senile idiots permanently ****ing up Usenet!
tsk

On Tue, 1 Jun 2021 04:09:13 +0100, Fredxx, the notorious, troll-feeding,
senile smartass, blathered again:


You're not coming across as a balanced person. Yes you need help.

Well, YOU certainly keep coming across as a notorious smartass! LOL Seems I
saw through you from day one, Freddie! BG

On 31/05/2021 17:41, T i m wrote:
"Commander Kinsey" wrote:

snip

Not because he is actually thick as such, just not bright enough to
realise how much he is showing everyone (well, those who don't have
him killfiled etc) just how much of a troll so left brainer he is (Not
all left brainers are trolls of course, just the lack of empathy and
no understanding of 'self' (self respect) mean they typically are).

Abuse, the final response of a lost argument.

Abuse is what you lot did when picking up on him using the wrong word.
No-one 'picked' on T i m for using the wrong word.

What T i m did was to refuse to admit he was wrong, instead using his
hackneyed tactics of deflection, goal-post shifting, and abuse, and it
was those tactics that were responded to. I'm sure that he still thinks
that 'eating meat causes antibiotic resistance in viruses' because it
suits his anti-meat-eating agenda thinly cloaked by evangelical
veganism. Heavens, I suspect he still believes that coronavirus sprang
from a wet market in China, for that very reason.

--
Spike

On 01/06/2021 11:44, Spike wrote:
I suspect he still believes that coronavirus sprang
from a wet market in China, for that very reason.

As a dedicated carnivore., I have not discounted that possibility either.

Pandemics happen because they can. Its the way of the world.
I saw English elms of 200 years destroyed in decades. They are now
slowly returning.


--
When plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men in a society, over
the course of time they create for themselves a legal system that
authorizes it and a moral code that glorifies it.

Frédéric Bastiat

On Tue, 1 Jun 2021 05:16:31 +1000, "Rod Speed"
wrote:

snip

Then the law is ****ed up. If 1 person dies, that's the main thing that's
happened. How he died is irrelevant.

Nope, its obviously desirable to minimise the use of
torture and the more obscene ways of killing people
by harsher sentences for those that kill that way.

Q: What do they use as the *ultimate* level of *punishment* to humans?

A: Death.

We aren't talking of what might inflict the ultimate level of pain or
suffering but be the ultimate deterrent / punishment within most
civilised legal systems (even if it isn't).

So we first deny a sentient being it's freedom, then we deny it it's
life. In the case of humans that's only when they have done something
very wrong / bad.

In the case of animals it's mostly because we want to, the only thing
they have done wrong is been born (often because they have been
artificially inseminated / bred).

https://ibb.co/D1Z4qBD

Cheers, T i m

On 31/05/2021 19:51, bert wrote:

It's a pity there' no one able to have a quiet wood with little Timmie
to persuade him to stop making such a prat of himself. I have some
sympathy for his plight as he is obviously autistic bordering on the
Aspergers range. This tends to make its victims pick on a campaign and
become obsessive about it just like the little Swedish prick. There's no
point trying to offer rational arguments, his obsession prevents him
from participating sensibly and so all you get is abusive rants.

It's up to T i m to decide whether he recognises the traits of
Asperger's, and to find ways of coping. I suspect his current obsession
with home automation is an indicator of this condition.

As I say I have a certain amount of sympathy and I normally just ignore the
crap he posts but unfortunately sometimes I cannot resist the temptation
to poke him and sit back and laugh at all the frothing at the mouth
which ensues. I know I shouldn't really, but then it is fun.

I don't find it fun at all, but T i m ' s disruptions and exaggerations
and downright lies need to be countered. I'm sorry that a really good
group has to suffer this. We can but hope for an early end to T i m ' s
form of anti-meat-eating evangelism.

--
Spike

On 01/06/2021 11:07, T i m wrote:

In the case of animals it's mostly because we want to, the only thing
they have done wrong is been born (often because they have been
artificially inseminated / bred).

What's the problem? Most people are caused by accident.

--
Spike

On Tue, 1 Jun 2021 11:57:04 +0100, The Natural Philosopher
wrote:

On 01/06/2021 11:44, Spike wrote:
I suspect he still believes that coronavirus sprang
from a wet market in China, for that very reason.

As a dedicated carnivore.,

You aren't a 'carnivore', dedicated or otherwise, you are an omnivore
who has learned how to make meat digestible even though you don't have
the inherent means of killing most of what you choose to eat without
resorting to tools (unlike most *real* carnivores of course).

You may well be a carnist and it could end up being the cause of your
demise.

https://carnism.org/carnism/

"What Is Carnism?

Carnism is the invisible belief system, or ideology, that conditions
people to eat certain animals."

'Conditions people' to do what is unnatural for them to do and they
are illeqwuipped to do in most cases.

"Carnism is, essentially, an oppressive system. It shares the same
basic structure and relies on the same mentality as other oppressive
systems, such as patriarchy and racism."

I have not discounted that possibility either.

And you are sensible to do so because even if it wasn't the source of
the pandemic in this case, zoonotic diseases have been the source in
many others and are likely to be the cause of many more in the future.

Pandemics happen because they can. Its the way of the world.

It's the 'way of the world' *now* because of how we have mutated the
natural world into an unnatural one (especially re our treatment of
animals / live stock).

Cheers, T i m