The element in our Russell Hobs kettle failed after the equivalent of
3-4 years use. The heating element is under the water container and
does not appear to be removable, unlike older kettles where the element
was in the water and could be replaced.

Many new kettles are of a similar design to the one that has failed, so
I thought I should buy a cheap one as it also probably can't be
repaired. I was able to get a cheap £12 one from Tesco. It has a
slightly lower power rating, 2.2Kw and a much higher minimum water
level. I wonder how well it will last

Have others had similar problems with this type of kettle?

On Thu, 6 May 2021 23:28:04 +0100, Michael Chare
wrote:

The element in our Russell Hobs kettle failed after the equivalent of
3-4 years use. The heating element is under the water container and
does not appear to be removable, unlike older kettles where the element
was in the water and could be replaced.

Many new kettles are of a similar design to the one that has failed, so
I thought I should buy a cheap one as it also probably can't be
repaired. I was able to get a cheap £12 one from Tesco. It has a
slightly lower power rating, 2.2Kw and a much higher minimum water
level. I wonder how well it will last

Have others had similar problems with this type of kettle?

Do you mean the cordless "kettle-shaped" model with a very heavy base
with the elements built in? I have one of those and the kettle itself
hasn't caused any problems but the plastic base with the mains
connector has gradually sunken under the weight and heat so that,
several years later the contacts no longer make -erme- contact. I like
the kettle - and it wasn't cheap! - so I have a little project on to
mould the base back into shape and reinforce it with more plastic
inside. A lot of fuss over an old kettle? That's what retirement is
for isn't it? Now.. ... where did I put my set of spool clamps?


Nick

On 07/05/2021 02:14, Nick Odell wrote:
On Thu, 6 May 2021 23:28:04 +0100, Michael Chare
wrote:

The element in our Russell Hobs kettle failed after the equivalent of
3-4 years use. The heating element is under the water container and
does not appear to be removable, unlike older kettles where the element
was in the water and could be replaced.

Many new kettles are of a similar design to the one that has failed, so
I thought I should buy a cheap one as it also probably can't be
repaired. I was able to get a cheap £12 one from Tesco. It has a
slightly lower power rating, 2.2Kw and a much higher minimum water
level. I wonder how well it will last

Have others had similar problems with this type of kettle?

Do you mean the cordless "kettle-shaped" model with a very heavy base
with the elements built in? I have one of those and the kettle itself
hasn't caused any problems but the plastic base with the mains
connector has gradually sunken under the weight and heat so that,
several years later the contacts no longer make -erme- contact. I like
the kettle - and it wasn't cheap! - so I have a little project on to
mould the base back into shape and reinforce it with more plastic
inside. A lot of fuss over an old kettle? That's what retirement is
for isn't it? Now.. ... where did I put my set of spool clamps?


Nick

Mine has not suffered that way, and I am pretty sure it was a relatively
cheap one.

That element design seems pretty robust to me. When I first saw them I
thought the contacts looked a little undersized, but they seem to last
very well indeed.

I have another one that I bought for a project I never completed, so I
have all the bits (somewhere).

On Fri, 7 May 2021 14:41:52 +0100, newshound
wrote:

On 07/05/2021 02:14, Nick Odell wrote:
On Thu, 6 May 2021 23:28:04 +0100, Michael Chare
wrote:

The element in our Russell Hobs kettle failed after the equivalent of
3-4 years use. The heating element is under the water container and
does not appear to be removable, unlike older kettles where the element
was in the water and could be replaced.

Many new kettles are of a similar design to the one that has failed, so
I thought I should buy a cheap one as it also probably can't be
repaired. I was able to get a cheap £12 one from Tesco. It has a
slightly lower power rating, 2.2Kw and a much higher minimum water
level. I wonder how well it will last

Have others had similar problems with this type of kettle?

Do you mean the cordless "kettle-shaped" model with a very heavy base
with the elements built in? I have one of those and the kettle itself
hasn't caused any problems but the plastic base with the mains
connector has gradually sunken under the weight and heat so that,
several years later the contacts no longer make -erme- contact. I like
the kettle - and it wasn't cheap! - so I have a little project on to
mould the base back into shape and reinforce it with more plastic
inside. A lot of fuss over an old kettle? That's what retirement is
for isn't it? Now.. ... where did I put my set of spool clamps?


Nick

Mine has not suffered that way, and I am pretty sure it was a relatively
cheap one.

That element design seems pretty robust to me. When I first saw them I
thought the contacts looked a little undersized, but they seem to last
very well indeed.

I have another one that I bought for a project I never completed, so I
have all the bits (somewhere).

(Mode=teaching granny to suck eggs)
The best tip I know of to preserve long life in a cordless kettle is
always to make sure it is switched off before removing it from the
base. It's pretty common to find that the switch contacts are plated
to resist pitting from arcing but the base contacts are not - with the
inevitable consequences.
(Mode/)


Nick

Nick Odell wrote:
On Fri, 7 May 2021 14:41:52 +0100, newshound
wrote:

On 07/05/2021 02:14, Nick Odell wrote:
On Thu, 6 May 2021 23:28:04 +0100, Michael Chare
wrote:

The element in our Russell Hobs kettle failed after the equivalent of
3-4 years use. The heating element is under the water container and
does not appear to be removable, unlike older kettles where the element
was in the water and could be replaced.

Many new kettles are of a similar design to the one that has failed, so
I thought I should buy a cheap one as it also probably can't be
repaired. I was able to get a cheap £12 one from Tesco. It has a
slightly lower power rating, 2.2Kw and a much higher minimum water
level. I wonder how well it will last

Have others had similar problems with this type of kettle?

Do you mean the cordless "kettle-shaped" model with a very heavy base
with the elements built in? I have one of those and the kettle itself
hasn't caused any problems but the plastic base with the mains
connector has gradually sunken under the weight and heat so that,
several years later the contacts no longer make -erme- contact. I like
the kettle - and it wasn't cheap! - so I have a little project on to
mould the base back into shape and reinforce it with more plastic
inside. A lot of fuss over an old kettle? That's what retirement is
for isn't it? Now.. ... where did I put my set of spool clamps?


Nick

Mine has not suffered that way, and I am pretty sure it was a relatively
cheap one.

That element design seems pretty robust to me. When I first saw them I
thought the contacts looked a little undersized, but they seem to last
very well indeed.

I have another one that I bought for a project I never completed, so I
have all the bits (somewhere).

(Mode=teaching granny to suck eggs)
The best tip I know of to preserve long life in a cordless kettle is
always to make sure it is switched off before removing it from the
base. It's pretty common to find that the switch contacts are plated
to resist pitting from arcing but the base contacts are not - with the
inevitable consequences.
(Mode/)


Yeah but, Ive never had one fail due to arcing. Its always seems to be
the element that dies first these days.

Tim

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On 07/05/2021 18:43, Tim+ wrote:


(Mode=teaching granny to suck eggs)
The best tip I know of to preserve long life in a cordless kettle is
always to make sure it is switched off before removing it from the
base. It's pretty common to find that the switch contacts are plated
to resist pitting from arcing but the base contacts are not - with the
inevitable consequences.
(Mode/)


Yeah but, Ive never had one fail due to arcing. Its always seems to be
the element that dies first these days.

Tim

I've never had one fail, full stop. I think I had to fettle a switch
once to keep it latching.

"Tim+" wrote in message
...
Nick Odell wrote:
On Fri, 7 May 2021 14:41:52 +0100, newshound
wrote:

On 07/05/2021 02:14, Nick Odell wrote:
On Thu, 6 May 2021 23:28:04 +0100, Michael Chare
wrote:

The element in our Russell Hobs kettle failed after the equivalent of
3-4 years use. The heating element is under the water container and
does not appear to be removable, unlike older kettles where the
element
was in the water and could be replaced.

Many new kettles are of a similar design to the one that has failed,
so
I thought I should buy a cheap one as it also probably can't be
repaired. I was able to get a cheap £12 one from Tesco. It has a
slightly lower power rating, 2.2Kw and a much higher minimum water
level. I wonder how well it will last

Have others had similar problems with this type of kettle?

Do you mean the cordless "kettle-shaped" model with a very heavy base
with the elements built in? I have one of those and the kettle itself
hasn't caused any problems but the plastic base with the mains
connector has gradually sunken under the weight and heat so that,
several years later the contacts no longer make -erme- contact. I like
the kettle - and it wasn't cheap! - so I have a little project on to
mould the base back into shape and reinforce it with more plastic
inside. A lot of fuss over an old kettle? That's what retirement is
for isn't it? Now.. ... where did I put my set of spool clamps?


Nick

Mine has not suffered that way, and I am pretty sure it was a relatively
cheap one.

That element design seems pretty robust to me. When I first saw them I
thought the contacts looked a little undersized, but they seem to last
very well indeed.

I have another one that I bought for a project I never completed, so I
have all the bits (somewhere).

(Mode=teaching granny to suck eggs)
The best tip I know of to preserve long life in a cordless kettle is
always to make sure it is switched off before removing it from the
base. It's pretty common to find that the switch contacts are plated
to resist pitting from arcing but the base contacts are not - with the
inevitable consequences.
(Mode/)


Yeah but, Ive never had one fail due to arcing.

I never have any arcing. The on off button on
the base of the kettle eliminates any arcing.

I have to say, I've not seen that effect at all, At least the base
connectors seem to be standard as I just swapped my spare Morphy Richards
with my main one of Tefal Design and they fit, albeit the smooth lines do
not match up from one to the other!

Brian

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"Nick Odell" wrote in message
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On Thu, 6 May 2021 23:28:04 +0100, Michael Chare
wrote:

The element in our Russell Hobs kettle failed after the equivalent of
3-4 years use. The heating element is under the water container and
does not appear to be removable, unlike older kettles where the element
was in the water and could be replaced.

Many new kettles are of a similar design to the one that has failed, so
I thought I should buy a cheap one as it also probably can't be
repaired. I was able to get a cheap £12 one from Tesco. It has a
slightly lower power rating, 2.2Kw and a much higher minimum water
level. I wonder how well it will last

Have others had similar problems with this type of kettle?

Do you mean the cordless "kettle-shaped" model with a very heavy base
with the elements built in? I have one of those and the kettle itself
hasn't caused any problems but the plastic base with the mains
connector has gradually sunken under the weight and heat so that,
several years later the contacts no longer make -erme- contact. I like
the kettle - and it wasn't cheap! - so I have a little project on to
mould the base back into shape and reinforce it with more plastic
inside. A lot of fuss over an old kettle? That's what retirement is
for isn't it? Now.. ... where did I put my set of spool clamps?


Nick

Michael Chare pretended :

Have others had similar problems with this type of kettle?

I bought a cheapy entire glass one, with a flat internal base on ebay,
it lasted a week before element packed in and replaced it with a
similar styled glass one from Lidl - one of the well known names
(Swan/MR ?). Likely a three year guarantee. That has been absolutely
fine so far.

Modern kettles are so cheap these days, they are just not worth
repairing, so why make the elements replaceable? If it breaks in
guarantee, get them to replace it, if outside just buy new. Getting the
replacement part would cost almost as much then there is the fitting
cost of your time.

"Michael Chare" wrote in message
...
The element in our Russell Hobs kettle failed after the equivalent of 3-4
years use. The heating element is under the water container and does not
appear to be removable, unlike older kettles where the element was in the
water and could be replaced.

Many new kettles are of a similar design to the one that has failed, so I
thought I should buy a cheap one as it also probably can't be repaired. I
was able to get a cheap £12 one from Tesco. It has a slightly lower power
rating, 2.2Kw and a much higher minimum water level. I wonder how well it
will last

12 pounds!

you woz done

https://www.tesco.com/groceries/en-G...ucts/305877709


Have others had similar problems with this type of kettle?


does it really matter when replacements are so cheap?

On 07/05/2021 08:13, tim... wrote:


"Michael Chare" wrote in message
...
The element in our Russell Hobs kettle failed after the equivalent of 3-4
years use. The heating element is under the water container and does not
appear to be removable, unlike older kettles where the element was in the
water and could be replaced.

Many new kettles are of a similar design to the one that has failed, so I
thought I should buy a cheap one as it also probably can't be repaired. I
was able to get a cheap £12 one from Tesco. It has a slightly lower power
rating, 2.2Kw and a much higher minimum water level. I wonder how well it
will last

12 pounds!

you woz done

https://www.tesco.com/groceries/en-G...ucts/305877709

Looks like it's got one of those hinged lids - the type which break off
366 days after purchase. I've given up buying kettles with hinged lids,
especially those which are spring-operated by a button on the handle. I
prefer those with "old-fashioned" completely removable lids. No hinge,
no button, no spring - mechanically robust, in other words.

--

Jeff

"Jeff Layman" wrote in message
...
On 07/05/2021 08:13, tim... wrote:


"Michael Chare" wrote in message
...
The element in our Russell Hobs kettle failed after the equivalent of
3-4
years use. The heating element is under the water container and does
not
appear to be removable, unlike older kettles where the element was in
the
water and could be replaced.

Many new kettles are of a similar design to the one that has failed, so
I
thought I should buy a cheap one as it also probably can't be repaired.
I
was able to get a cheap £12 one from Tesco. It has a slightly lower
power
rating, 2.2Kw and a much higher minimum water level. I wonder how well
it
will last

12 pounds!

you woz done

https://www.tesco.com/groceries/en-G...ucts/305877709

Looks like it's got one of those hinged lids - the type which break off
366 days after purchase. I've given up buying kettles with hinged lids,
especially those which are spring-operated by a button on the handle. I
prefer those with "old-fashioned" completely removable lids. No hinge, no
button, no spring - mechanically robust, in other words.

wouldn't know

I fill it up through the pouring hole

empty it through the pouring hole

simples





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On 07/05/2021 13:26, tim... wrote:


"Jeff Layman" wrote in message
...
On 07/05/2021 08:13, tim... wrote:


"Michael Chare" wrote in message
...
The element in our Russell Hobs kettle failed after the equivalent of
3-4
years use. The heating element is under the water container and does
not
appear to be removable, unlike older kettles where the element was in
the
water and could be replaced.

Many new kettles are of a similar design to the one that has failed, so
I
thought I should buy a cheap one as it also probably can't be repaired.
I
was able to get a cheap £12 one from Tesco. It has a slightly lower
power
rating, 2.2Kw and a much higher minimum water level. I wonder how well
it
will last

12 pounds!

you woz done

https://www.tesco.com/groceries/en-G...ucts/305877709

Looks like it's got one of those hinged lids - the type which break off
366 days after purchase. I've given up buying kettles with hinged lids,
especially those which are spring-operated by a button on the handle. I
prefer those with "old-fashioned" completely removable lids. No hinge, no
button, no spring - mechanically robust, in other words.

wouldn't know

I fill it up through the pouring hole

empty it through the pouring hole

simples

Sure, if you've got all day because the filter slows things down. But
then again, maybe it would push all the fur off the filter with the
reverse flow.

Or maybe I should just clean the filter now and again. ;-)


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Jeff Layman laid this down on his screen :
Sure, if you've got all day because the filter slows things down. But then
again, maybe it would push all the fur off the filter with the reverse flow.

Our latest has its filter hinged to the lid, so it would hinge out of
the way when filled via the spout - unfortunately the outlet on our tap
is too big to properly fit the spout.

Lid is hinged, with a latch - you have slide the latch, to release the
lid to open.

On Fri, 07 May 2021 13:26:31 +0100, tim... wrote:

"Jeff Layman" wrote in message
...
On 07/05/2021 08:13, tim... wrote:


"Michael Chare" wrote in message
...
The element in our Russell Hobs kettle failed after the equivalent of
3-4 years use. The heating element is under the water container and
does not appear to be removable, unlike older kettles where the
element was in the water and could be replaced.

Many new kettles are of a similar design to the one that has failed,
so I
thought I should buy a cheap one as it also probably can't be
repaired.
I
was able to get a cheap £12 one from Tesco. It has a slightly lower
power rating, 2.2Kw and a much higher minimum water level. I wonder
how well it will last

12 pounds!

you woz done

https://www.tesco.com/groceries/en-G...ucts/305877709

Looks like it's got one of those hinged lids - the type which break off
366 days after purchase. I've given up buying kettles with hinged lids,
especially those which are spring-operated by a button on the handle. I
prefer those with "old-fashioned" completely removable lids. No hinge,
no button, no spring - mechanically robust, in other words.

wouldn't know

I fill it up through the pouring hole

empty it through the pouring hole

simples


Spot on!

Whilst the lid mechanism on these Cookware 1.7l 3KW jug kettles seem to
be engineered well enough and have never been a point of failure
(probably because we rarely pop the lids open on these models for
filling), this last variant we purchased yesterday doesn't sport quite as
wide a spout as its predecessors making it slightly more inclined to wet
the outside when filling it through the spout.

Thankfully, a few extra drips don't represent an electrical safety issue
with their docking stations, just a few extra drips on the kitchen
worktop is all. The slightly smaller spout is more a minor irritation
than any real nuisance.

Incidentally, like its predecessor, the lid on the new kettle only pops
open by 45 degrees on the button release press, requiring the lid to be
manually pushed into the full 85 degree up position which still leaves it
a little awkward to fill. The swing up lid only comes into its own for
replacing the seemingly unobtainable replacement filter, otherwise it's
essentially just an ornamental feature in practice.


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On 08/05/2021 19:22, Johnny B Good wrote:
On Fri, 07 May 2021 13:26:31 +0100, tim... wrote:

"Jeff Layman" wrote in message
...
On 07/05/2021 08:13, tim... wrote:


"Michael Chare" wrote in message
...
The element in our Russell Hobs kettle failed after the equivalent of
3-4 years use. The heating element is under the water container and
does not appear to be removable, unlike older kettles where the
element was in the water and could be replaced.

Many new kettles are of a similar design to the one that has failed,
so I
thought I should buy a cheap one as it also probably can't be
repaired.
I
was able to get a cheap £12 one from Tesco. It has a slightly lower
power rating, 2.2Kw and a much higher minimum water level. I wonder
how well it will last

12 pounds!

you woz done

https://www.tesco.com/groceries/en-G...ucts/305877709

Looks like it's got one of those hinged lids - the type which break off
366 days after purchase. I've given up buying kettles with hinged lids,
especially those which are spring-operated by a button on the handle. I
prefer those with "old-fashioned" completely removable lids. No hinge,
no button, no spring - mechanically robust, in other words.

wouldn't know

I fill it up through the pouring hole

empty it through the pouring hole

simples


Spot on!

Whilst the lid mechanism on these Cookware 1.7l 3KW jug kettles seem to
be engineered well enough and have never been a point of failure
(probably because we rarely pop the lids open on these models for
filling), this last variant we purchased yesterday doesn't sport quite as
wide a spout as its predecessors making it slightly more inclined to wet
the outside when filling it through the spout.

Thankfully, a few extra drips don't represent an electrical safety issue
with their docking stations, just a few extra drips on the kitchen
worktop is all. The slightly smaller spout is more a minor irritation
than any real nuisance.

Incidentally, like its predecessor, the lid on the new kettle only pops
open by 45 degrees on the button release press, requiring the lid to be
manually pushed into the full 85 degree up position which still leaves it
a little awkward to fill. The swing up lid only comes into its own for
replacing the seemingly unobtainable replacement filter, otherwise it's
essentially just an ornamental feature in practice.


My lid doesn't pop up. I just lift it up. Really, why make an expensive
fragile mechanism just to lift a lid you can lift with your other hand?
Marketing and 'creeping featurism'.



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On 07/05/2021 08:13, tim... wrote:
"Michael Chare" wrote in message
...

The element in our Russell Hobs kettle failed after the equivalent of
3-4 years use.Â* The heating element is under the water container and
does not appear to be removable, unlike older kettles where the
element was in the water and could be replaced.

Many new kettles are of a similar design to the one that has failed,
so I thought I should buy a cheap one as it also probably can't be
repaired. I was able to get a cheap £12 one from Tesco. It has a
slightly lower power rating, 2.2KwÂ* and a much higher minimum water
level. I wonder how well it will last

12 pounds!

you woz done

https://www.tesco.com/groceries/en-G...ucts/305877709

It's worth paying twice the price for one with a circular base so you
can put the kettle down any way round.

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On Fri, 07 May 2021 13:06:17 +0100, Max Demian wrote:

On 07/05/2021 08:13, tim... wrote:
"Michael Chare" wrote in message
...

The element in our Russell Hobs kettle failed after the equivalent of
3-4 years use.Â* The heating element is under the water container and
does not appear to be removable, unlike older kettles where the
element was in the water and could be replaced.

Many new kettles are of a similar design to the one that has failed,
so I thought I should buy a cheap one as it also probably can't be
repaired. I was able to get a cheap £12 one from Tesco. It has a
slightly lower power rating, 2.2KwÂ* and a much higher minimum water
level. I wonder how well it will last

12 pounds!

you woz done

https://www.tesco.com/groceries/en-G...ucts/305877709

It's worth paying twice the price for one with a circular base so you
can put the kettle down any way round.

The trouble is that SWMBO and I put it down opposite ways!



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On 08:13 7 May 2021, tim... said:



"Michael Chare" wrote in message
...
The element in our Russell Hobs kettle failed after the equivalent
of 3-4 years use. The heating element is under the water container
and does not appear to be removable, unlike older kettles where the
element was in the water and could be replaced.

Many new kettles are of a similar design to the one that has
failed, so I thought I should buy a cheap one as it also probably
can't be repaired. I was able to get a cheap £12 one from Tesco.
It has a slightly lower power rating, 2.2Kw and a much higher
minimum water level. I wonder how well it will last

12 pounds!

you woz done

https://www.tesco.com/groceries/en-G...ucts/305877709

Once upon a time an electric kettle was quite an expensive purchase for a
student. I think my kettle at university cost something like £35, back in
the 70s.

I bought my current kettle for the price of a few Starbucks and it does
all I could ask for and even has some fancy features.

tim... wrote:

https://www.tesco.com/groceries/en-G...ucts/305877709

Why name it "immersed kettle" if that means they then have to put a
warning label on it saying "do not immerse in water"?

On 06/05/2021 23:28, Michael Chare wrote:
The element in our Russell Hobs kettle failed after the equivalent of
3-4 years use.Â* The heating element is under the water container and
does not appear to be removable, unlike older kettles where the element
was in the water and could be replaced.

Many new kettles are of a similar design to the one that has failed, so
I thought I should buy a cheap one as it also probably can't be
repaired. I was able to get a cheap £12 one from Tesco. It has a
slightly lower power rating, 2.2KwÂ* and a much higher minimum water
level. I wonder how well it will last

Have others had similar problems with this type of kettle?


Not specifically related, but the main problem we have with electric
kettles is the push down switch at the bottom, under the handle.
They break off after a while, usually between 3 and 18 month.

I doesn't matter how much we paid for them as they all suffered the same
breakage.
Last year I bought one of those Hadeeon kettles which had the switch at
the top, which was just a push in type, but the failed after a short
while dues to some other problem.

On Fri, 07 May 2021 08:56:10 +0100, RobH wrote:

Not specifically related, but the main problem we have with electric
kettles is the push down switch at the bottom, under the handle.
They break off after a while, usually between 3 and 18 month.

I doesn't matter how much we paid for them as they all suffered the same
breakage.
Last year I bought one of those Hadeeon kettles which had the switch at
the top, which was just a push in type, but the failed after a short
while dues to some other problem.

We have a Bosch kettle. Push buttons are in the separate base.

Occasionally the contacts give trouble.

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Probably all made in the same factory in China. Have you noticed how all
toasters seem to share the same, not quite big enough, elements?

JohnP wrote

Probably all made in the same factory in China.

China doesn’t work like that.

Have you noticed how all toasters seem to share
the same, not quite big enough, elements?

None of mine do.

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JohnP wrote

Probably all made in the same factory in China.

China doesn’t work like that.

China doesn't work like what? (please don't snip too much!)

That everything from China isn't made in the same factory? Clearly,
obviously not

That a factory in China that makes quality branded goods, doesn't also make
knock-offs of the same item?

Nope, I assure that this is exactly what does happen

tim

On 09/05/2021 11:24, tim... wrote:


"Rod Speed" wrote in message
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JohnP wrote

Probably all made in the same factory in China.

China doesn’t work like that.

China doesn't work like what?* (please don't snip too much!)

That everything from China isn't made in the same factory?* Clearly,
obviously not

That a factory in China that makes quality branded goods, doesn't also
make knock-offs of the same item?

Nope, I assure that this is exactly what does happen

It is still often the same stuff produced on the same production line
though. It might be ripping off the branded item, but it is likely to be
exactly the same - just not counted in the total.

For rip-offs produced on the legitimate production line, it would not be
worth changing the components of a device, when they've got the design,
set-up, supply sourcing and advertising for free!

For other items it is different. Here in the UK, I have been in a number
of industrial bakeries and for example, some production lines produce
Warburton's Crumpets, Sainsbury's own label and Basics ranges on the
same production line, simply changing the ingredients placed in the
mixer, possibly temperatures/times and packaging.

tim... wrote
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JohnP wrote

Probably all made in the same factory in China.

China doesn’t work like that.

China doesn't work like what?

Just one factory producing all electric kettles.

(please don't snip too much!)

I didn’t snip anything, just cleaned up the longer attribution lines.

That everything from China isn't made in the same factory?

Every electric kettle either.

Clearly, obviously not

That a factory in China that makes quality branded goods, doesn't also
make knock-offs of the same item?

I didn’t comment on that.

Nope, I assure that this is exactly what does happen

Bull**** with plenty of the factorys.

On 07/05/2021 08:56, RobH wrote:
On 06/05/2021 23:28, Michael Chare wrote:

The element in our Russell Hobs kettle failed after the equivalent of
3-4 years use.Â* The heating element is under the water container and
does not appear to be removable, unlike older kettles where the
element was in the water and could be replaced.

Many new kettles are of a similar design to the one that has failed,
so I thought I should buy a cheap one as it also probably can't be
repaired. I was able to get a cheap £12 one from Tesco. It has a
slightly lower power rating, 2.2KwÂ* and a much higher minimum water
level. I wonder how well it will last

Have others had similar problems with this type of kettle?

Not specifically related, but the main problem we have with electric
kettles is the push down switch at the bottom, under the handle.
They break off after a while, usually between 3 and 18 month.

Mine - £12 from Wilko - broke after seven years so I fixed it with
Araldite. It mostly works as it should, but you can't reset the switch
until it is completely cold.

I doesn't matter how much we paid for them as they all suffered the same
breakage.

I see that the new ones from Wilko mostly appear to have metal switch
levers - unless they are metallised plastic.

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On 06/05/2021 23:28, Michael Chare wrote:

Have others had similar problems with this type of kettle?

Yes, I have a collection of kettles at work that we've mothballed for
one reason or another.
Keep meaning to chuck em but you know how it is....

R D S expressed precisely :
Yes, I have a collection of kettles at work that we've mothballed for one
reason or another.
Keep meaning to chuck em but you know how it is....

When we replace such small items, we keep the old version as a spare,
unless it is completely dead. We have spare iron, toaster, kettle,
coffee maker etc.. When a present item is due replacement, it will go
in the spares cupboard, and the older version will be disposed of.

"Harry Bloomfield"; "Esq." wrote in message
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R D S expressed precisely :
Yes, I have a collection of kettles at work that we've mothballed for one
reason or another.
Keep meaning to chuck em but you know how it is....

When we replace such small items, we keep the old version as a spare,
unless it is completely dead. We have spare iron, toaster, kettle, coffee
maker etc.. When a present item is due replacement, it will go in the
spares cupboard, and the older version will be disposed of.

I basically have new spares for what I use much so its effortless
when anything dies. And I generally don't dispose of anything,
the one that has died can be a source of parts when another dies.

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On 6 May 2021 at 23:28:04 BST, "Michael Chare"
wrote:

The element in our Russell Hobs kettle failed after the equivalent of
3-4 years use. The heating element is under the water container and
does not appear to be removable, unlike older kettles where the element
was in the water and could be replaced.

Many new kettles are of a similar design to the one that has failed, so
I thought I should buy a cheap one as it also probably can't be
repaired. I was able to get a cheap £12 one from Tesco. It has a
slightly lower power rating, 2.2Kw and a much higher minimum water
level. I wonder how well it will last

Have others had similar problems with this type of kettle?

Yes, whether cheap or expensive models the elements tend to fail after one to
three years. I suspect people boiling less than the minimum quantity of water
is the main cause, but I am generally too circumspect to say so too often! A
useful side effect is that the RCD gets tested at least that often.


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I was quite concerned about this move toward legislation to make things
repairable. Higher costs and bulkier items will be to result - as well as
incompetent people causing accidents. A spot weld is probably better than a
screw and is more compact.

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JohnP wrote:



I was quite concerned about this move toward legislation to make things
repairable. Higher costs and bulkier items will be to result - as well as
incompetent people causing accidents. A spot weld is probably better than a
screw and is more compact.

Quite. No one in the meja seems to realise that making a device which can
be dismantled for repair easily is going to make it more expensive to
make. Perhaps not a problem with a washing machine, but would be for low
cost items like kettles and toasters.

And reading that meja, you'd think early TVs rarely broke down - and if
they did were cheap and simple to fix.

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In article ,
JohnP wrote:



I was quite concerned about this move toward legislation to make
things repairable. Higher costs and bulkier items will be to result -
as well as incompetent people causing accidents. A spot weld is
probably better than a screw and is more compact.

Quite. No one in the meja seems to realise that making a device which
can be dismantled for repair easily is going to make it more expensive
to make. Perhaps not a problem with a washing machine, but would be
for low cost items like kettles and toasters.

And reading that meja, you'd think early TVs rarely broke down - and
if they did were cheap and simple to fix.


And often the fault was a poor connection - which could have been avoided
by minimising them.
..

Dave Plowman (News) wrote on 07/05/2021 :
And reading that meja, you'd think early TVs rarely broke down - and if
they did were cheap and simple to fix.

They were often rented, because they were so expensive and because
there would then be a cost free ready repair option, when as they often
did, they broke down or needed adjustment.

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Harry Bloomfield wrote:
Dave Plowman (News) wrote on 07/05/2021 :
And reading that meja, you'd think early TVs rarely broke down - and if
they did were cheap and simple to fix.

They were often rented, because they were so expensive and because
there would then be a cost free ready repair option, when as they often
did, they broke down or needed adjustment.

At one time. my job provided me with a rented set. It started giving noisy
pictures, so I complained. Someone came while I was at work, fiddled with
tuning know sand said "nothing wrong with it". I was debating what to do
next when I happened to deal with a call from the company's head office. At
the end of his call I ssked how I could make a complaint - to which he said
"tell me". Within an hour, I had the branch manager on the phone "You
should have said you were a BBC customer. I've got a new tuner soak
testing on the bench." and it was fited the next day. Every subsequent call
out had the branch senior technician. I suspect they thought that if I
complained seriously, they might loose the BBC Contract.

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In article ,
Harry Bloomfield wrote:
Dave Plowman (News) wrote on 07/05/2021 :
And reading that meja, you'd think early TVs rarely broke down - and if
they did were cheap and simple to fix.

They were often rented, because they were so expensive and because
there would then be a cost free ready repair option, when as they often
did, they broke down or needed adjustment.

And the rental company supplying a social service, then? ;-)

No different from having a service contract on your heating system. Long
term, the supplier always wins. And by a large margin.

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