This W10 new desktop facility is really getting on my tits,
almost more so than the Amazon fiasco (qv).

I almost don't dare to touch the mouse pad lest the display
all disappears up into the top left corner with icons for
each open program.

This is * B L O O D Y * annoying.

Surely there must be some way of disabling this unwanted
and unnecessary facility??????????????????????

gareth evans wrote:

Surely there must be some way of disabling this unwanted
and unnecessary facility?

I've never experienced any such "facility".

No but I've apparently turned the screen upside down or sideways before, but
as I cannot see it its only seen by an unblind person. grin.

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gareth evans wrote:

Surely there must be some way of disabling this unwanted
and unnecessary facility?

I've never experienced any such "facility".

On Wed, 28 Apr 2021 22:32:04 +0100, "Brian Gaff \(Sofa\)"
wrote:

No but I've apparently turned the screen upside down or sideways before, but
as I cannot see it its only seen by an unblind person. grin.

Hehe.

Cheers, T i m

On 28/04/2021 12:45, gareth evans wrote:
This W10 new desktop facility is really getting on my tits,
almost more so than the Amazon fiasco (qv).

I almost don't dare to touch the mouse pad lest the display
all disappears up into the top left corner with icons for
each open program.

This is * B L O O D Y *Â* annoying.

Surely there must be some way of disabling this unwanted
and unnecessary facility??????????????????????


How do you get the the open programs disappearing into icons in the top
left corner?

I normally use Alt-Tab to cycle through the open applications.

On 28/04/2021 13:18, SH wrote:
On 28/04/2021 12:45, gareth evans wrote:
This W10 new desktop facility is really getting on my tits,
almost more so than the Amazon fiasco (qv).

I almost don't dare to touch the mouse pad lest the display
all disappears up into the top left corner with icons for
each open program.

This is * B L O O D Y * annoying.

Surely there must be some way of disabling this unwanted
and unnecessary facility??????????????????????


How do you get the the open programs disappearing into icons in the top
left corner?

Windows Key + Tab is the official way, but there's also some
mouse stroking that does it, and I don't know what because whenever
I try to do it deliberately to try to work out what I'm doing and
so to stop doing it, I can never get it to happen!!!!!!!!

gareth evans wrote:

Windows Key + Tab is the official way, but there's also some
mouse stroking that does it

A 3hree or four finger upward swipe, you can turn them off in
settings/touchpad

On 28/04/2021 14:59, Andy Burns wrote:
gareth evans wrote:

Windows Key + Tab is the official way, but there's also some
mouse stroking that does it

A 3hree or four finger upward swipe, you can turn them off in
settings/touchpad

I'd been referred to that before, but no such selections in
my settings / touchpad.

.... and I never do a 3 or 4 fingered swipe so it's not that!

On 28/04/2021 14:25, gareth evans wrote:
On 28/04/2021 13:18, SH wrote:
On 28/04/2021 12:45, gareth evans wrote:
This W10 new desktop facility is really getting on my tits,
almost more so than the Amazon fiasco (qv).

I almost don't dare to touch the mouse pad lest the display
all disappears up into the top left corner with icons for
each open program.

This is * B L O O D Y *Â* annoying.

Surely there must be some way of disabling this unwanted
and unnecessary facility??????????????????????


How do you get the the open programs disappearing into icons in the top
left corner?

Windows Key + Tab is the official way, but there's also some
mouse stroking that does it, and I don't know what because whenever
I try to do it deliberately to try to work out what I'm doing and
so to stop doing it, I can never get it to happen!!!!!!!!



that sounds like you need to take a look at your mouse settings & hot
mouse strokes?

On Wed, 28 Apr 2021 12:45:57 +0100, gareth evans wrote:

This W10 new desktop facility is really getting on my tits,
almost more so than the Amazon fiasco (qv).

I almost don't dare to touch the mouse pad lest the display all
disappears up into the top left corner with icons for each open program.

This is * B L O O D Y * annoying.

Surely there must be some way of disabling this unwanted and unnecessary
facility??????????????????????

What version of win10 are you using..

On 28/04/2021 13:52, jon wrote:
On Wed, 28 Apr 2021 12:45:57 +0100, gareth evans wrote:

This W10 new desktop facility is really getting on my tits,
almost more so than the Amazon fiasco (qv).

I almost don't dare to touch the mouse pad lest the display all
disappears up into the top left corner with icons for each open program.

This is * B L O O D Y * annoying.

Surely there must be some way of disabling this unwanted and unnecessary
facility??????????????????????

What version of win10 are you using..


Whatever is foisted onto me by the unstoppable Windows updates.

On 28/04/2021 14:25, gareth evans wrote:
On 28/04/2021 13:52, jon wrote:
On Wed, 28 Apr 2021 12:45:57 +0100, gareth evans wrote:

This W10 new desktop facility is really getting on my tits,
almost more so than the Amazon fiasco (qv).

I almost don't dare to touch the mouse pad lest the display all
disappears up into the top left corner with icons for each open program.

This is * B L O O D Y *Â* annoying.

Surely there must be some way of disabling this unwanted and unnecessary
facility??????????????????????

What version of win10 are you using..


Whatever is foisted onto me by the unstoppable Windows updates.


Hold the windows key, hit R, type winver in the edit box, then click ok


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On 28/04/2021 15:08, John Rumm wrote:
On 28/04/2021 14:25, gareth evans wrote:
On 28/04/2021 13:52, jon wrote:
On Wed, 28 Apr 2021 12:45:57 +0100, gareth evans wrote:

This W10 new desktop facility is really getting on my tits,
almost more so than the Amazon fiasco (qv).

I almost don't dare to touch the mouse pad lest the display all
disappears up into the top left corner with icons for each open
program.

This is * B L O O D Y * annoying.

Surely there must be some way of disabling this unwanted and
unnecessary
facility??????????????????????

What version of win10 are you using..


Whatever is foisted onto me by the unstoppable Windows updates.


Hold the windows key, hit R, type winver in the edit box, then click ok



Version 2004 Build 19041.928

gareth evans wrote:
On 28/04/2021 15:08, John Rumm wrote:
On 28/04/2021 14:25, gareth evans wrote:
On 28/04/2021 13:52, jon wrote:
On Wed, 28 Apr 2021 12:45:57 +0100, gareth evans wrote:

This W10 new desktop facility is really getting on my tits,
almost more so than the Amazon fiasco (qv).

I almost don't dare to touch the mouse pad lest the display all
disappears up into the top left corner with icons for each open
program.

This is * B L O O D Y * annoying.

Surely there must be some way of disabling this unwanted and
unnecessary
facility??????????????????????

What version of win10 are you using..


Whatever is foisted onto me by the unstoppable Windows updates.


Hold the windows key, hit R, type winver in the edit box, then click ok



Version 2004 Build 19041.928


Some of the visual settings can be seen here.

https://www.tenforums.com/tutorials/...dows-10-a.html

And here is a picture of some of the panels.

https://i.postimg.cc/fyvQR2q7/win10-sticky-stuff.gif

Paul

On 28/04/2021 12:45, gareth evans wrote:
This W10 new desktop facility is really getting on my tits,
almost more so than the Amazon fiasco (qv).

I almost don't dare to touch the mouse pad lest the display
all disappears up into the top left corner with icons for
each open program.

This is * B L O O D Y *Â* annoying.

Surely there must be some way of disabling this unwanted
and unnecessary facility??????????????????????

If you mean Task View, might you have the Task View button on the
taskbar and be clicking that accidentally? If so you can get rid of it
by right clicking the icon and unticking Task View in the menu.

https://appuals.com/how-to-disable-t...on-windows-10/





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On 28/04/2021 16:18, Robin wrote:
On 28/04/2021 12:45, gareth evans wrote:
This W10 new desktop facility is really getting on my tits,
almost more so than the Amazon fiasco (qv).

I almost don't dare to touch the mouse pad lest the display
all disappears up into the top left corner with icons for
each open program.

This is * B L O O D Y * annoying.

Surely there must be some way of disabling this unwanted
and unnecessary facility??????????????????????

If you mean Task View, might you have the Task View button on the
taskbar and be clicking that accidentally? If so you can get rid of it
by right clicking the icon and unticking Task View in the menu.

https://appuals.com/how-to-disable-t...on-windows-10/

No. I know all about that and the Windows+tab to get it.

I've tried 3 and 4 finger swiping, left, right, up, down and
diagonally and can't trigger it, so what triggers it leaves me
mystified.

Perhaps it's something to do with a 7, nearly 8, year old laptop?

On 28/04/2021 17:54, gareth evans wrote:
On 28/04/2021 16:18, Robin wrote:
On 28/04/2021 12:45, gareth evans wrote:
This W10 new desktop facility is really getting on my tits,
almost more so than the Amazon fiasco (qv).

I almost don't dare to touch the mouse pad lest the display
all disappears up into the top left corner with icons for
each open program.

This is * B L O O D Y *Â* annoying.

Surely there must be some way of disabling this unwanted
and unnecessary facility??????????????????????

If you mean Task View, might you have the Task View button on the
taskbar and be clicking that accidentally? If so you can get rid of it
by right clicking the icon and unticking Task View in the menu.

https://appuals.com/how-to-disable-t...on-windows-10/

No. I know all about that and the Windows+tab to get it.

I've tried 3 and 4 finger swiping, left, right, up, down and
diagonally and can't trigger it, so what triggers it leaves me
mystified.

Perhaps it's something to do with a 7, nearly 8, year old laptop?



Sorry, I can't help further. But - with apologies if I'm the only one
who is unclear - is it Task View you are triggering or is it something else?

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On 28/04/2021 18:30, Robin wrote:
Sorry, I can't help further. But - with apologies if I'm the only one
who is unclear - is it Task View you are triggering or is it something
else?


I didn't know that it was called Task View, but yes, that is what comes up.

I've been a Wondows user since 3.11 (and was then a programmer in VB6)
and I do not appreciate new unwanted and unexplained facilities being
foisted on me.

"gareth evans" wrote in message
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On 28/04/2021 16:18, Robin wrote:
On 28/04/2021 12:45, gareth evans wrote:
This W10 new desktop facility is really getting on my tits,
almost more so than the Amazon fiasco (qv).

I almost don't dare to touch the mouse pad lest the display
all disappears up into the top left corner with icons for
each open program.

This is * B L O O D Y * annoying.

Surely there must be some way of disabling this unwanted
and unnecessary facility??????????????????????

If you mean Task View, might you have the Task View button on the
taskbar and be clicking that accidentally? If so you can get rid of it
by right clicking the icon and unticking Task View in the menu.

https://appuals.com/how-to-disable-t...on-windows-10/

No. I know all about that and the Windows+tab to get it.

I've tried 3 and 4 finger swiping, left, right, up, down and
diagonally and can't trigger it, so what triggers it leaves me
mystified.

Perhaps it's something to do with a 7, nearly 8, year old laptop?

Quite likely. Most likely the touchpad cant do fancy stuff like 3/4 finger
swipes.

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On 28/04/2021 12:45, gareth evans wrote:
This W10 new desktop facility is really getting on my tits,
almost more so than the Amazon fiasco (qv).

I almost don't dare to touch the mouse pad lest the display
all disappears up into the top left corner with icons for
each open program.

This is * B L O O D Y *Â* annoying.

Surely there must be some way of disabling this unwanted
and unnecessary facility??????????????????????

ok, reading between the lines a bit here, I would guess you are ending
up in "task view". (it shows a map of smaller versions of every window
on a particular screen, plus a timeline of documents opened recently -
also serves as a place to create extra virtual desktops to allow groups
of windows to be swapped in and out quickly - quite handy on small
laptop screens).

You can get to it on recent versions of Win 10 by clicking the "stacked
boxes" icon close to the search gadget on the task bar.

Now, there are a couple of different systems for doing stuff with a
trackpad. The "modern" one is with "gestures" - however these are
generally only suited to multi-touch trackpads, and not all laptops have
these. If yours is supported, then Settings-Devices-Mouse & Touchpad,
will let you configure these.

For systems that lack muti-touch capability there are also "edge swipes"
or "edge gestures". A swipe on the left edge of the pad will go into
task view on a recentish version of Win 10

Edge swipes can be enabled and disabled, but windows leaves this to the
vendor of the trackpad if they have supplied their own version. Some
vendor's drivers allow these to be disabled, however some don't. For
those that don't, you can just opt to uninstall the vendors driver and
windows will revert to its default Human Interface Device driver for
most touch pads. That will normally disable them, or at least provide a
configuration option.

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gareth evans wrote:
This W10 new desktop facility is really getting on my tits,
[...]
Surely there must be some way of disabling this unwanted
and unnecessary facility??????????????????????

Install linux? :-)

.... well, somebody had to suggest it...


#Paul

On 28/04/2021 16:02, #Paul wrote:
gareth evans wrote:
This W10 new desktop facility is really getting on my tits,
[...]
Surely there must be some way of disabling this unwanted
and unnecessary facility??????????????????????

Install linux? :-)

... well, somebody had to suggest it...

I'd already said in another life that I'm getting more and
more ****ed-off with Microsoft that the next PC I go for will
be Linuxy

On Wed, 28 Apr 2021 21:00:44 +0100, gareth evans
wrote:

On 28/04/2021 16:02, #Paul wrote:
gareth evans wrote:
This W10 new desktop facility is really getting on my tits,
[...]
Surely there must be some way of disabling this unwanted
and unnecessary facility??????????????????????

Install linux? :-)

... well, somebody had to suggest it...

I'd already said in another life that I'm getting more and
more ****ed-off with Microsoft that the next PC I go for will
be Linuxy

Before you commit in any way you can run Linux on your existing PC
from a DVD or USB drive and start to get a feel for it?

Whilst I have a few Linux only machines, I also have it dual boot
(with Windows) on some and on a couple on external / USB drive. If you
stick it on a 64G SSD in a USB3 external enclosure and in a USB3 port
on a PC / laptop it runs pretty quickly. Once finished you unplug it,
reboot and your PC is back as it was. ;-)

It is a good idea to have such a solution handy in any case, Linux
Mint is pretty good and user friendly.

https://linuxmint.com/

Cheers, T i m

On 28/04/2021 21:25, T i m wrote:
On Wed, 28 Apr 2021 21:00:44 +0100, gareth evans
wrote:

On 28/04/2021 16:02, #Paul wrote:
gareth evans wrote:
This W10 new desktop facility is really getting on my tits,
[...]
Surely there must be some way of disabling this unwanted
and unnecessary facility??????????????????????

Install linux? :-)

... well, somebody had to suggest it...

I'd already said in another life that I'm getting more and
more ****ed-off with Microsoft that the next PC I go for will
be Linuxy

Before you commit in any way you can run Linux on your existing PC
from a DVD or USB drive and start to get a feel for it?

Whilst I have a few Linux only machines, I also have it dual boot
(with Windows) on some and on a couple on external / USB drive. If you
stick it on a 64G SSD in a USB3 external enclosure and in a USB3 port
on a PC / laptop it runs pretty quickly. Once finished you unplug it,
reboot and your PC is back as it was. ;-)

It is a good idea to have such a solution handy in any case, Linux
Mint is pretty good and user friendly.

https://linuxmint.com/

Cheers, T i m


Or you could download the linux ISOs and load them into Hyper V (as
local installation source) which is part of Windows so you can try Linux
from within the Windows 10 desktop?

You do have to turn off Secure Boot setting or Linux won't load within
Hyper-V

You can then delete the VM if you don't like that flavour of Linux or if
you do, ytou can thengo the whole hog and install linux on your disk of
choice and boot off that.

Another way is to download & create a LiveDVD/CD and boot off that but
it then is in Read only mode and does not write anything to your
physical disks

On Wed, 28 Apr 2021 21:34:22 +0100, SH wrote:

On 28/04/2021 21:25, T i m wrote:
On Wed, 28 Apr 2021 21:00:44 +0100, gareth evans
wrote:

On 28/04/2021 16:02, #Paul wrote:
gareth evans wrote:
This W10 new desktop facility is really getting on my tits,
[...]
Surely there must be some way of disabling this unwanted
and unnecessary facility??????????????????????

Install linux? :-)

... well, somebody had to suggest it...

I'd already said in another life that I'm getting more and
more ****ed-off with Microsoft that the next PC I go for will
be Linuxy

Before you commit in any way you can run Linux on your existing PC
from a DVD or USB drive and start to get a feel for it?

Whilst I have a few Linux only machines, I also have it dual boot
(with Windows) on some and on a couple on external / USB drive. If you
stick it on a 64G SSD in a USB3 external enclosure and in a USB3 port
on a PC / laptop it runs pretty quickly. Once finished you unplug it,
reboot and your PC is back as it was. ;-)

It is a good idea to have such a solution handy in any case, Linux
Mint is pretty good and user friendly.

https://linuxmint.com/

Or you could download the linux ISOs and load them into Hyper V (as
local installation source) which is part of Windows so you can try Linux
from within the Windows 10 desktop?

Whilst I've run Linux in a VB VM and container, it all adds to the
complexity and more of a risk of trashing the host OS by mistake than
running say a live DVD/USB or even running it on a USB attached drive
(once installed etc).

You do have to turn off Secure Boot setting or Linux won't load within
Hyper-V

And that can then cause an issue for Windows. ;-(

You can then delete the VM if you don't like that flavour of Linux or if
you do,

Yes, it is easier running it on a VM for that.

ytou can thengo the whole hog and install linux on your disk of
choice and boot off that.

That's what I do here on a couple of PC's. I have removable SATA
drives and can mix n match easily with no risk to the 'other' OS's.

Another way is to download & create a LiveDVD/CD and boot off that but
it then is in Read only mode and does not write anything to your
physical disks

Yeah, I suggested that above and is something I have often left with
others (LiveDVD) both for them and me either to play with on their
machines or to use as an emergency repair tool.

I can generally get people to boot a LiveDVD (remotely, by phone etc),
get online (if Wireless), download, 'install' and run Teamviewer (that
is actually the Windows version running in WINE) and then get access
to their machine, in one instance, actually installing Linux for them
remotely. ;-)

Cheers, T i m

On 28/04/2021 21:34, SH wrote:
On 28/04/2021 21:25, T i m wrote:
On Wed, 28 Apr 2021 21:00:44 +0100, gareth evans
wrote:

On 28/04/2021 16:02, #Paul wrote:
gareth evans wrote:
This W10 new desktop facility is really getting on my tits,
[...]
Surely there must be some way of disabling this unwanted
and unnecessary facility??????????????????????

Install linux? :-)

... well, somebody had to suggest it...

I'd already said in another life that I'm getting more and
more ****ed-off with Microsoft that the next PC I go for will
be Linuxy

Before you commit in any way you can run Linux on your existing PC
from a DVD or USB drive and start to get a feel for it?

Whilst I have a few Linux only machines, I also have it dual boot
(with Windows) on some and on a couple on external / USB drive. If you
stick it on a 64G SSD in a USB3 external enclosure and in a USB3 port
on a PC / laptop it runs pretty quickly. Once finished you unplug it,
reboot and your PC is back as it was. ;-)

It is a good idea to have such a solution handy in any case, Linux
Mint is pretty good and user friendly.

https://linuxmint.com/

Cheers, T i m


Or you could download the linux ISOs and load them into Hyper V (as
local installation source) which is part of Windows so you can try Linux
from within the Windows 10 desktop?

You do have to turn off Secure Boot setting or Linux won't load within
Hyper-V

You can then delete the VM if you don't like that flavour of Linux or if
you do, ytou can thengo the whole hog and install linux on your disk of
choice and boot off that.

Another way is to download & create a LiveDVD/CD and boot off that but
it then is in Read only mode and does not write anything to your
physical disks

I've historically used VirtualBox. the Windows Sandbox doesn't provide
access to USB devices so that's a no-no for me.

Is Hyper V a good alternative to VirtualBox?

For Tim, VirtualBox does have some 'pre-installed' OSes.

On 28/04/2021 21:25, T i m wrote:
On Wed, 28 Apr 2021 21:00:44 +0100, gareth evans
wrote:

On 28/04/2021 16:02, #Paul wrote:
gareth evans wrote:
This W10 new desktop facility is really getting on my tits,
[...]
Surely there must be some way of disabling this unwanted
and unnecessary facility??????????????????????

Install linux? :-)

... well, somebody had to suggest it...

I'd already said in another life that I'm getting more and
more ****ed-off with Microsoft that the next PC I go for will
be Linuxy

Before you commit in any way you can run Linux on your existing PC
from a DVD or USB drive and start to get a feel for it?

Whilst I have a few Linux only machines, I also have it dual boot
(with Windows) on some and on a couple on external / USB drive. If you
stick it on a 64G SSD in a USB3 external enclosure and in a USB3 port
on a PC / laptop it runs pretty quickly. Once finished you unplug it,
reboot and your PC is back as it was. ;-)

It is a good idea to have such a solution handy in any case, Linux
Mint is pretty good and user friendly.

https://linuxmint.com/

I already have dual-boot with linux on a windows xp machine, but it's
only a single processor so slow by modern comparison so don't really use
it at all except for powering up once a week to keep the battery charged.

Have used linux in a number of contracts.

On Wed, 28 Apr 2021 21:51:43 +0100, gareth evans
wrote:

On 28/04/2021 21:25, T i m wrote:
On Wed, 28 Apr 2021 21:00:44 +0100, gareth evans
wrote:

On 28/04/2021 16:02, #Paul wrote:
gareth evans wrote:
This W10 new desktop facility is really getting on my tits,
[...]
Surely there must be some way of disabling this unwanted
and unnecessary facility??????????????????????

Install linux? :-)

... well, somebody had to suggest it...

I'd already said in another life that I'm getting more and
more ****ed-off with Microsoft that the next PC I go for will
be Linuxy

Before you commit in any way you can run Linux on your existing PC
from a DVD or USB drive and start to get a feel for it?

Whilst I have a few Linux only machines, I also have it dual boot
(with Windows) on some and on a couple on external / USB drive. If you
stick it on a 64G SSD in a USB3 external enclosure and in a USB3 port
on a PC / laptop it runs pretty quickly. Once finished you unplug it,
reboot and your PC is back as it was. ;-)

It is a good idea to have such a solution handy in any case, Linux
Mint is pretty good and user friendly.

https://linuxmint.com/

I already have dual-boot with linux on a windows xp machine, but it's
only a single processor so slow by modern comparison so don't really use
it at all except for powering up once a week to keep the battery charged.

So you mean 'powering it up' rather than 'booting it up' as isn't MoBo
partially powered (and so the BIOS / CMOS battery), assuming it's an
ATX machine?

Have used linux in a number of contracts.

Ah, cool, but nothing like actually trying to use it as your own daily
desktop to see if it will work for you or not. ;-)

Cheers, T i m

On 28 Apr 2021 20:37:25 GMT, Tim Streater
wrote:

On 28 Apr 2021 at 16:02:43 BST, #Paul #Paul wrote:

gareth evans wrote:
This W10 new desktop facility is really getting on my tits,
[...]
Surely there must be some way of disabling this unwanted
and unnecessary facility??????????????????????

Install linux? :-)

... well, somebody had to suggest it...

So how, in Linux (specifically Mint 20.1 Cinnamon) do I pin an app to the
taskbar or whatever it's called?

Don't you right click on the app in the menu and do it from there
(from memory)? I thought you got the choice of taskbar (or whatever
it's called) or desktop?

a) MacOS - simple, just drop it on the Dock where you want it. Use drag/drop
to reorganise your Dock icons

It's funny, one of the things that ****ed me off about MacOS (at the
time possibly) was the inability to create a simple text file on the
desktop. It was also as easy as it always has been on Windows on Mint
until I think recently, where they seem to have dropping such things
off. You can generally add them back on again with come CLI CopyPaste
wizardry. (Like being able to open a folder as Admin from the GUI /
File Manager (Nemo?), you have to add that back manually).

b) Win7 - Simple, just drop it on the taskbar where you want it. Harder to
reorganise.

c) Win10 - Similar to Win7

d) Mint 20.1 - blowed if I could find a way to do it.

e) RPi - even worse.

That's hardware though, all the rest were OS's?

Cheers, T i m