Seems unlikely - but I have a good fence to the end and left that I own and
maintain. The property to most of the right is also well maintained by the
neighbour.
But the far end 6- 8 feet is another property and today that part was
bending in sympathy with the child bouncing on the trampoline. I politely
pointed out that it would soon break if something wasn't changed.

I got a bit of abuse - and was told it was not my fence!

Agreed - but if it falls then do I have any reasonable entitment to require
it to be replaced for my privacy and security?

On 30/03/2021 17:01, JohnP wrote:
Seems unlikely - but I have a good fence to the end and left that I own and
maintain. The property to most of the right is also well maintained by the
neighbour.
But the far end 6- 8 feet is another property and today that part was
bending in sympathy with the child bouncing on the trampoline. I politely
pointed out that it would soon break if something wasn't changed.

I got a bit of abuse - and was told it was not my fence!

Agreed - but if it falls then do I have any reasonable entitment to require
it to be replaced for my privacy and security?


Many people might say you have a reasonable entitlement. But say you
don't have a /legal/ right to require your neighbour to do anything.
(Well, leaving aside exceptions such as your neighbour keeping livestock
that might wander without the fence.)

You don't even have right to repair the fence yourself. But if it's
dangerous you can report it to the council.

Sorry.

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On Tue, 30 Mar 2021 16:01:47 +0000, JohnP wrote:
Seems unlikely - but I have a good fence to the end and left that I own
and maintain. The property to most of the right is also well maintained
by the neighbour.
But the far end 6- 8 feet is another property and today that part was
bending in sympathy with the child bouncing on the trampoline. I
politely pointed out that it would soon break if something wasn't
changed.

I got a bit of abuse - and was told it was not my fence!

Agreed - but if it falls then do I have any reasonable entitment to
require it to be replaced for my privacy and security?

Almost certainly not - there may be a covenant (which could be
challenging to enforce) but in most cases you can't require someone to
maintain their fence. But you are quite entitled to build your own fence,
on your own land, even if it's right next to theirs.

Mike

On 30/03/2021 17:22, Mike Humphrey wrote:
On Tue, 30 Mar 2021 16:01:47 +0000, JohnP wrote:
Seems unlikely - but I have a good fence to the end and left that I own
and maintain. The property to most of the right is also well maintained
by the neighbour.
But the far end 6- 8 feet is another property and today that part was
bending in sympathy with the child bouncing on the trampoline. I
politely pointed out that it would soon break if something wasn't
changed.

I got a bit of abuse - and was told it was not my fence!

Agreed - but if it falls then do I have any reasonable entitment to
require it to be replaced for my privacy and security?

Almost certainly not - there may be a covenant (which could be
challenging to enforce) but in most cases you can't require someone to
maintain their fence. But you are quite entitled to build your own fence,
on your own land, even if it's right next to theirs.


Thanks. (I was halfway up the loft ladder when I thought "you forgot
covenants you 'effin idiot".)


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Depends on your deeds and local conventions. Lawyers love these things, in
the end its often cheaper to take six inches off your land and build your
own fence then if they damage that its criminal damage.
Brian

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"JohnP" wrote in message
. ..
Seems unlikely - but I have a good fence to the end and left that I own
and
maintain. The property to most of the right is also well maintained by the
neighbour.
But the far end 6- 8 feet is another property and today that part was
bending in sympathy with the child bouncing on the trampoline. I politely
pointed out that it would soon break if something wasn't changed.

I got a bit of abuse - and was told it was not my fence!

Agreed - but if it falls then do I have any reasonable entitment to
require
it to be replaced for my privacy and security?

On 30/03/2021 17:31, Robin wrote:
On 30/03/2021 17:22, Mike Humphrey wrote:
On Tue, 30 Mar 2021 16:01:47 +0000, JohnP wrote:
Seems unlikely - but I have a good fence to the end and left that I own
and maintain. The property to most of the right is also well maintained
by the neighbour.
But the far end 6- 8 feet is another property and today that part was
bending in sympathy with the child bouncing on the trampoline. I
politely pointed out that it would soon break if something wasn't
changed.

I got a bit of abuse - and was told it was not my fence!

Agreed - but if it falls then do I have any reasonable entitment to
require it to be replaced for my privacy and security?

Almost certainly not - there may be a covenant (which could be
challenging to enforce) but in most cases you can't require someone to
maintain their fence. But you are quite entitled to build your own fence,
on your own land, even if it's right next to theirs.


Thanks.Â* (I was halfway up the loft ladder when I thought "you forgot
covenants you 'effin idiot".)

Not necessarily unenforceable either.

My house has a requirement in the deeds to maintain a fence, hedge or
wall on the boundaries - and as it is leasehold (only £6 every six
months and no other conditions other than maintaining a property of a
rental value of a few tens of pounds per year on the land), not even a
requirement to ask when making changes, it does mean that the leasing
company might well be interested, to stop their land being taken by
someone else.

Brian Gaff (Sofa) wrote

Depends on your deeds and local conventions. Lawyers love these things, in
the end its often cheaper to take six inches off your land and build your
own fence then if they damage that its criminal damage.

Not if its accidental.

"JohnP" wrote in message
. ..
Seems unlikely - but I have a good fence to the end and left that I own
and
maintain. The property to most of the right is also well maintained by
the
neighbour.
But the far end 6- 8 feet is another property and today that part was
bending in sympathy with the child bouncing on the trampoline. I politely
pointed out that it would soon break if something wasn't changed.

I got a bit of abuse - and was told it was not my fence!

Agreed - but if it falls then do I have any reasonable entitment to
require
it to be replaced for my privacy and security?

JohnP wrote:
Seems unlikely - but I have a good fence to the end and left that I own and
maintain. The property to most of the right is also well maintained by the
neighbour.
But the far end 6- 8 feet is another property and today that part was
bending in sympathy with the child bouncing on the trampoline. I politely
pointed out that it would soon break if something wasn't changed.

I got a bit of abuse - and was told it was not my fence!

Agreed - but if it falls then do I have any reasonable entitment to require
it to be replaced for my privacy and security?

Here, this is covered by local bylaws.

It does not matter who owns the fence.

Neither party may "lean goods against it". You can't lean
the wheel barrow up against the fence. You can't put 20 ton
of fill up against the fence "because it's me-property".

Neither can you use it for structural loads. You can't
tie your elephant to it.

In the event of disagreement, you phone bylaw enforcement.
You phone up, they take the description, and decide whether
there is an enforceable offense of a safety issue requiring
another level of government (police or fire).

There is the usual structure clearance requirement. The
sheds on either side of the fence, are three feet from it.
Whether they're steel or wood.

I don't know what the rules are, for building parallel
structures, so you can have a "me-fence". Something must
control that, or there'd be more of it about. Building a
parallel fence, would prevent the neighbour from
"properly maintaining" their fence. But I don't know what
diplomatic language they use for that. Board fences need to
be painted or maintained to a certain standard. Just as
there are bylaws regarding "junk in the back yard". The
gentleman who stored wood pallets on edge, until they
filled his back yard, the fire officials had words with him.

The purpose of Bylaw Enforcement, is to keep peace in the valley.
Precisely so you won't have to argue with the neighbour.

Paul

On Tue, 30 Mar 2021 18:38:16 +0100, Steve Walker wrote:
Not necessarily unenforceable either.

My house has a requirement in the deeds to maintain a fence, hedge or
wall on the boundaries - and as it is leasehold (only £6 every six
months and no other conditions other than maintaining a property of a
rental value of a few tens of pounds per year on the land), not even a
requirement to ask when making changes, it does mean that the leasing
company might well be interested, to stop their land being taken by
someone else.

Leaseholds are a different matter - lease conditions are enforceable as
(in theory) the freeholder can terminate your lease if you don't comply.
In practice it's unlikely to come to that, but the threat of losing your
house and all the money you paid for it is quite an incentive. Doubly so
if you have a mortgage, as the lender won't allow you to lose their
security like that and will intervene to either force you to sort it our
or repossess the house so they can do it themselves.

Covenants on freehold land are not so straightforward. I said
"challenging" not "impossible" to enforce - it would need a court case,
and there's a lot of non-obvious catches that can mean the case fails if
you don't have everything perfect. It's a good idea to comply with
covenants in case someone tries enforcing them on you, but I wouldn't
*rely* on being able to enforce them against someone else. But I'm an
amateur, if it matters consult a lawyer (and be prepared to spend a lot).

Mike

On 31/03/2021 18:04, Paul wrote:


Here, this is covered by local bylaws.

It does not matter who owns the fence.


In the UK the land registry shows the boundaries
and also indicates who owns which boundary with
"T" marks. A T mark on the side of the boundary
inside property A, says that the owner of property
A has the *right*, but not the obligation to erect
a boundary fence, wall or structure.

This is a boundary fence/wall/structure and it
cannot cross the boundary. One of the common mistakes
that owners of Property B make is to assume that half
the fence etc is on 'their' side. If correctly installed
all parts of the fence/wall are on the land owned by
property A. The owner of property B has no right to
interfere with it. If a wind blows the fence down,
the owner of property B cannot enforce its
reinstatement (unless there are covenants). The
owner of property B can usually install his own fence but
it must be located entirely on the land of Property B.

If there is a shared boundary structure the land registry
will show T marks on both sides (so looks like an H mark).

Party walls can cross boundaries and typically separate
houses joined as semis or in a terrace. These are covered
by an act of Parliament which has teeth. It also applies
to floors and ceilings in flats or appartment. Boundary
walls are only 'protected' by common law and getting legal
redress for a boundary wall is a lot more troublesome than
dealing with a dispute over a party wall.

On 31/03/2021 23:20, Mike Humphrey wrote:
On Tue, 30 Mar 2021 18:38:16 +0100, Steve Walker wrote:
Not necessarily unenforceable either.

My house has a requirement in the deeds to maintain a fence, hedge or
wall on the boundaries - and as it is leasehold (only £6 every six
months and no other conditions other than maintaining a property of a
rental value of a few tens of pounds per year on the land), not even a
requirement to ask when making changes, it does mean that the leasing
company might well be interested, to stop their land being taken by
someone else.

Leaseholds are a different matter - lease conditions are enforceable as
(in theory) the freeholder can terminate your lease if you don't comply.
In practice it's unlikely to come to that, but the threat of losing your
house and all the money you paid for it is quite an incentive. Doubly so
if you have a mortgage, as the lender won't allow you to lose their
security like that and will intervene to either force you to sort it our
or repossess the house so they can do it themselves.

Covenants on freehold land are not so straightforward. I said
"challenging" not "impossible" to enforce - it would need a court case,
and there's a lot of non-obvious catches that can mean the case fails if
you don't have everything perfect. It's a good idea to comply with
covenants in case someone tries enforcing them on you, but I wouldn't
*rely* on being able to enforce them against someone else. But I'm an
amateur, if it matters consult a lawyer (and be prepared to spend a lot).

Covenants can prevent rather than require the owner doing something.
Which is why flats are (almost always) leasehold, it is the only way to
bind everybody to maintain common parts etc




Mike



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