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In article , "Dave Plowman (News)"
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Harry Bloomfield wrote:
I know you can, but would you expect to always go to the farm for your
milk, for your fruit and your veg? Would you go to the refinery for
your petrol and diesel? To the weaver for your clothes? To the printer
for your books? To the manufacturer for you car. There have always been
middlemen and always will be, because there is a very obvious need to
separate production from distribution and retailing.


But not with water, for some reason.

I would have thought the reason was obvious.
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On 28/03/2021 20:48, bert wrote:
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On 26/03/2021 14:17, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
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Â*Â*Â* Harry Bloomfield wrote:
It happens that Dave Plowman (News) formulated :
As opposed to privatized, where the incentive is to make the maximum
profit.

But against considerable competition vying for our custom, so the net
result is much cheaper for us. I think that is important.
Â*So we have lots of companies with lots of duplicated overheads selling
exactly the same product. And all making a profit. Which makes
absolutely
no sense at all.


Strangely overheads tend to scale with the size of the company, with
large companies having disproportionately higher overheads.

Competition will also have effect of reducing those overheads. Hence
the numbers of small companies, rather than one big, efficient one.

Did you mean "inefficient".


Thanks, I did indeed.

So it really isn't that simple.



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On 28/03/2021 20:50, bert wrote:
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But we all know they are slow to tell you if even they could give *you* a
better deal. So their priority is to make the largest possible profit.

They are required to now by the regulator. Their priority is to survive.


A hollow requirement

Quote:
Could you pay less?

We estimate your annual cost for the next 12 months as:

Gas £xxx
Electricity £yyy

These prices include standing charges, unit rates and VAT.
Remember €“ it may be worth thinking about switching your tariff or supplier
A previous supplier used the industry formula to advise of a cheaper tariff
Their alternative tariff cost for a year compared with the time left on
your current contract (say, 6 months )plus 6 months on on the standard
variable rate. This usually meant that the more expensive new tariff was
classified as cheaper.


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On 28/03/2021 20:48, bert wrote:
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In article ,
Â* Harry Bloomfield wrote:
It happens that Dave Plowman (News) formulated :
As opposed to privatized, where the incentive is to make the maximum
profit.


But against considerable competition vying for our custom, so the net
result is much cheaper for us. I think that is important.


So we have lots of companies with lots of duplicated overheads selling
exactly the same product. And all making a profit. Which makes absolutely
no sense at all.

Not to a socialist it doesn't


A big company often has layers of management just to manage the management!

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In article ,
bert wrote:
In article , "Dave Plowman (News)"
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In article ,
Harry Bloomfield wrote:
I know you can, but would you expect to always go to the farm for your
milk, for your fruit and your veg? Would you go to the refinery for
your petrol and diesel? To the weaver for your clothes? To the printer
for your books? To the manufacturer for you car. There have always been
middlemen and always will be, because there is a very obvious need to
separate production from distribution and retailing.


But not with water, for some reason.

I would have thought the reason was obvious.


Of course. I'd forgotten when I change gas or electricity supplier, they
come round and connect me to a different supply.

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On 29/03/2021 01:10, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:


Of course. I'd forgotten when I change gas or electricity supplier, they
come round and connect me to a different supply.


That only happens if you change from dirty energy to green energy.

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In article , "Dave Plowman (News)"
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In article ,
bert wrote:
In article , "Dave Plowman (News)"
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In article ,
Harry Bloomfield wrote:
I know you can, but would you expect to always go to the farm for your
milk, for your fruit and your veg? Would you go to the refinery for
your petrol and diesel? To the weaver for your clothes? To the printer
for your books? To the manufacturer for you car. There have always been
middlemen and always will be, because there is a very obvious need to
separate production from distribution and retailing.

But not with water, for some reason.

I would have thought the reason was obvious.


Of course. I'd forgotten when I change gas or electricity supplier, they
come round and connect me to a different supply.

Of course I have not forgotten, you are an idiot.
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On 29/03/2021 01:10, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:

Of course. I'd forgotten when I change gas or electricity supplier,
they
come round and connect me to a different supply.


That only happens if you change from dirty energy to green energy.

How do they do that?
You get whatever comes off the grid. They cannot direct the electrons
from a windmill to your home, or as electrons are negative, is it the
other way round?
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On Mon, 29 Mar 2021 21:07:41 +0100, bert wrote:

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On 29/03/2021 01:10, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:

Of course. I'd forgotten when I change gas or electricity supplier,
they
come round and connect me to a different supply.


That only happens if you change from dirty energy to green energy.

How do they do that?
You get whatever comes off the grid. They cannot direct the electrons
from a windmill to your home, or as electrons are negative, is it the
other way round?


I believe that the promise is that they will buy and upload to the
grid as much green electricity as their customers pay for. Those green
electrons may not be coming up your actual meter into your actual
house but they are being added to the grid and displace the use of
un-green electricity.

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On 29/03/2021 01:10, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:

Of course. I'd forgotten when I change gas or electricity supplier,
they
come round and connect me to a different supply.


That only happens if you change from dirty energy to green energy.

How do they do that?
You get whatever comes off the grid. They cannot direct the electrons
from a windmill to your home, or as electrons are negative, is it the
other way round?


Of course they can, that's why you pay extra.

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"Jeff Layman" wrote in message
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I thought I should finally make an effort to change from an EDF standard
variable dual-fuel tariff to a fixed EDF one. I assumed it would not be
simple (as far as I could see the tariffs I was interested in weren't
available through a Switch website, and they appeared to be identical on
the EDF website but had different names).

First stage was to set up an online account ("MyAccount") with EDF. Pretty
straightforward. Then I asked for a new tariff. There were a few filters
to get through - I wanted a fixed tariff and to pay quarterly by
cash/cheque.


finding new tariffs using quarterly billing paid by DD is hard enough

finding one by cash/cheque, near impossible



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alan_m used his keyboard to write :
This year MSE failed miserably - they didn't show any deals from my current
supplier which actually had deals comparable with the cheapest suppliers in
their list. Even when I switched to a new deal with my current supplier I
couldn't select the tariff I'm on in the MSE list. It's only in the past few
days they seem to have rectified this problem.


I guess MSE has had issues for a while then - In November, towards my
end of contract, it emailed me to suggest I ought to move from my then
Outfox deal, to another more expensive tariff with Outfox. I switched,
as suggested, then the day after MSE emailed me again to suggest they
had sent the first email in error and I should stay put.

As it worked out, all tariffs shot up and my move actually proved to be
a good move, because I was stuck with Outfox on a much cheaper tariff
for the next 12 months.
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NY pretended :
Does "pay monthly by direct debit" imply the spawn-of-the-devil budgeted
payments where you don't pay the bill for what you have *actually* used, but
instead pay what the utility company anticipates you will use, based on
previous usage and fiddle-factors for what time of year it is?


A variable DD is what I have used for many years and it works
absolutely great. I have always kept a close eye on my consumption of
both E & G, I record it in a spreadsheet once per week out of curiosity
- so I can fairly accurately predict what my annual consumption will
be. I then simply provide that figure when looking for a new tariff
contract, to get the cheapest/best quote.

The DD amount is set to a monthly figure which will remain roughly the
same for the following 12 months, but if I get ahead or behind, they
can tweak it slightly to match to correct the error.

Each month, they email a bill to me, which shows my consumption and
whether I owe them, or they owe me. Following the past few months of it
being exceptionally cold, I owe them the grand sum of £6.98 on my
combined utility bill.

I have been with the same supplier now for 17 months, though on two
different tariffs. They tweaked my DD a couple of months ago, for the
first time, to add an extra £3 pm to my DD, because I was slipping
slightly behind. Paying more or less the same each and every month,
makes it easy to budget, though I have absolutely no need to budget.

I don't need to remember to pay the bill. It makes it easier for the
energy company to budget too and it reduces their costs - which is
reflected in keeper energy for their customers. Getting paid by you, as
you consume, means the energy company doesn't have to borrow to pay
their bills, another saving which they pass on to the customer in lower
bills - What's not to like in having lower bills?
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On Mon, 05 Apr 2021 09:19:24 +0100, Harry Bloomfield, Esq. wrote:

NY pretended :
Does "pay monthly by direct debit" imply the spawn-of-the-devil
budgeted payments where you don't pay the bill for what you have
*actually* used, but instead pay what the utility company anticipates
you will use, based on previous usage and fiddle-factors for what time
of year it is?


A variable DD is what I have used for many years and it works absolutely
great. I have always kept a close eye on my consumption of both E & G, I
record it in a spreadsheet once per week out of curiosity - so I can
fairly accurately predict what my annual consumption will be. I then
simply provide that figure when looking for a new tariff contract, to
get the cheapest/best quote.

The DD amount is set to a monthly figure which will remain roughly the
same for the following 12 months, but if I get ahead or behind, they can
tweak it slightly to match to correct the error.

Each month, they email a bill to me, which shows my consumption and
whether I owe them, or they owe me. Following the past few months of it
being exceptionally cold, I owe them the grand sum of £6.98 on my
combined utility bill.

I have been with the same supplier now for 17 months, though on two
different tariffs. They tweaked my DD a couple of months ago, for the
first time, to add an extra £3 pm to my DD, because I was slipping
slightly behind. Paying more or less the same each and every month,
makes it easy to budget, though I have absolutely no need to budget.

I don't need to remember to pay the bill. It makes it easier for the
energy company to budget too and it reduces their costs - which is
reflected in keeper energy for their customers. Getting paid by you, as
you consume, means the energy company doesn't have to borrow to pay
their bills, another saving which they pass on to the customer in lower
bills - What's not to like in having lower bills?


I do something similar with my electricity only supplier. I keep a weekly
numbers check on a spreadsheet, because on some occasions in the past
previous suppliers got the off peak and on peak meter readings reversed,
though I now submit readings monthly. I still get a cost disparity from my
spreadsheet usage and to what they say I have used. I originally thought
it was VAT, but my original tariff quote included VAT. One of the problems
is the energy company always rounds up with a future reading.
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