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Getting a new energy tariff - or not
In article , "Dave Plowman (News)"
writes In article , Harry Bloomfield wrote: I know you can, but would you expect to always go to the farm for your milk, for your fruit and your veg? Would you go to the refinery for your petrol and diesel? To the weaver for your clothes? To the printer for your books? To the manufacturer for you car. There have always been middlemen and always will be, because there is a very obvious need to separate production from distribution and retailing. But not with water, for some reason. I would have thought the reason was obvious. -- bert |
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On 28/03/2021 20:48, bert wrote:
In article , Fredxx writes On 26/03/2021 14:17, Dave Plowman (News) wrote: In article , Â*Â*Â* Harry Bloomfield wrote: It happens that Dave Plowman (News) formulated : As opposed to privatized, where the incentive is to make the maximum profit. But against considerable competition vying for our custom, so the net result is much cheaper for us. I think that is important. Â*So we have lots of companies with lots of duplicated overheads selling exactly the same product. And all making a profit. Which makes absolutely no sense at all. Strangely overheads tend to scale with the size of the company, with large companies having disproportionately higher overheads. Competition will also have effect of reducing those overheads. Hence the numbers of small companies, rather than one big, efficient one. Did you mean "inefficient". Thanks, I did indeed. So it really isn't that simple. |
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On 28/03/2021 20:50, bert wrote:
In article , "Dave Plowman (News)" But we all know they are slow to tell you if even they could give *you* a better deal. So their priority is to make the largest possible profit. They are required to now by the regulator. Their priority is to survive. A hollow requirement Quote:
Their alternative tariff cost for a year compared with the time left on your current contract (say, 6 months )plus 6 months on on the standard variable rate. This usually meant that the more expensive new tariff was classified as cheaper. -- mailto : news {at} admac {dot} myzen {dot} co {dot} uk |
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On 28/03/2021 20:48, bert wrote:
In article , "Dave Plowman (News)" writes In article , Â* Harry Bloomfield wrote: It happens that Dave Plowman (News) formulated : As opposed to privatized, where the incentive is to make the maximum profit. But against considerable competition vying for our custom, so the net result is much cheaper for us. I think that is important. So we have lots of companies with lots of duplicated overheads selling exactly the same product. And all making a profit. Which makes absolutely no sense at all. Not to a socialist it doesn't A big company often has layers of management just to manage the management! -- mailto : news {at} admac {dot} myzen {dot} co {dot} uk |
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bert wrote: In article , "Dave Plowman (News)" writes In article , Harry Bloomfield wrote: I know you can, but would you expect to always go to the farm for your milk, for your fruit and your veg? Would you go to the refinery for your petrol and diesel? To the weaver for your clothes? To the printer for your books? To the manufacturer for you car. There have always been middlemen and always will be, because there is a very obvious need to separate production from distribution and retailing. But not with water, for some reason. I would have thought the reason was obvious. Of course. I'd forgotten when I change gas or electricity supplier, they come round and connect me to a different supply. -- *A person who smiles in the face of adversity probably has a scapegoat * Dave Plowman London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. |
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On 29/03/2021 01:10, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
Of course. I'd forgotten when I change gas or electricity supplier, they come round and connect me to a different supply. That only happens if you change from dirty energy to green energy. -- mailto : news {at} admac {dot} myzen {dot} co {dot} uk |
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In article , "Dave Plowman (News)"
writes In article , bert wrote: In article , "Dave Plowman (News)" writes In article , Harry Bloomfield wrote: I know you can, but would you expect to always go to the farm for your milk, for your fruit and your veg? Would you go to the refinery for your petrol and diesel? To the weaver for your clothes? To the printer for your books? To the manufacturer for you car. There have always been middlemen and always will be, because there is a very obvious need to separate production from distribution and retailing. But not with water, for some reason. I would have thought the reason was obvious. Of course. I'd forgotten when I change gas or electricity supplier, they come round and connect me to a different supply. Of course I have not forgotten, you are an idiot. -- bert |
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writes On 29/03/2021 01:10, Dave Plowman (News) wrote: Of course. I'd forgotten when I change gas or electricity supplier, they come round and connect me to a different supply. That only happens if you change from dirty energy to green energy. How do they do that? You get whatever comes off the grid. They cannot direct the electrons from a windmill to your home, or as electrons are negative, is it the other way round? -- bert |
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On Mon, 29 Mar 2021 21:07:41 +0100, bert wrote:
In article , alan_m writes On 29/03/2021 01:10, Dave Plowman (News) wrote: Of course. I'd forgotten when I change gas or electricity supplier, they come round and connect me to a different supply. That only happens if you change from dirty energy to green energy. How do they do that? You get whatever comes off the grid. They cannot direct the electrons from a windmill to your home, or as electrons are negative, is it the other way round? I believe that the promise is that they will buy and upload to the grid as much green electricity as their customers pay for. Those green electrons may not be coming up your actual meter into your actual house but they are being added to the grid and displace the use of un-green electricity. Nick |
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bert wrote: In article , alan_m writes On 29/03/2021 01:10, Dave Plowman (News) wrote: Of course. I'd forgotten when I change gas or electricity supplier, they come round and connect me to a different supply. That only happens if you change from dirty energy to green energy. How do they do that? You get whatever comes off the grid. They cannot direct the electrons from a windmill to your home, or as electrons are negative, is it the other way round? Of course they can, that's why you pay extra. -- from KT24 in Surrey, England "I'd rather die of exhaustion than die of boredom" Thomas Carlyle |
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"Jeff Layman" wrote in message ... I thought I should finally make an effort to change from an EDF standard variable dual-fuel tariff to a fixed EDF one. I assumed it would not be simple (as far as I could see the tariffs I was interested in weren't available through a Switch website, and they appeared to be identical on the EDF website but had different names). First stage was to set up an online account ("MyAccount") with EDF. Pretty straightforward. Then I asked for a new tariff. There were a few filters to get through - I wanted a fixed tariff and to pay quarterly by cash/cheque. finding new tariffs using quarterly billing paid by DD is hard enough finding one by cash/cheque, near impossible |
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alan_m used his keyboard to write :
This year MSE failed miserably - they didn't show any deals from my current supplier which actually had deals comparable with the cheapest suppliers in their list. Even when I switched to a new deal with my current supplier I couldn't select the tariff I'm on in the MSE list. It's only in the past few days they seem to have rectified this problem. I guess MSE has had issues for a while then - In November, towards my end of contract, it emailed me to suggest I ought to move from my then Outfox deal, to another more expensive tariff with Outfox. I switched, as suggested, then the day after MSE emailed me again to suggest they had sent the first email in error and I should stay put. As it worked out, all tariffs shot up and my move actually proved to be a good move, because I was stuck with Outfox on a much cheaper tariff for the next 12 months. |
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Does "pay monthly by direct debit" imply the spawn-of-the-devil budgeted payments where you don't pay the bill for what you have *actually* used, but instead pay what the utility company anticipates you will use, based on previous usage and fiddle-factors for what time of year it is? A variable DD is what I have used for many years and it works absolutely great. I have always kept a close eye on my consumption of both E & G, I record it in a spreadsheet once per week out of curiosity - so I can fairly accurately predict what my annual consumption will be. I then simply provide that figure when looking for a new tariff contract, to get the cheapest/best quote. The DD amount is set to a monthly figure which will remain roughly the same for the following 12 months, but if I get ahead or behind, they can tweak it slightly to match to correct the error. Each month, they email a bill to me, which shows my consumption and whether I owe them, or they owe me. Following the past few months of it being exceptionally cold, I owe them the grand sum of £6.98 on my combined utility bill. I have been with the same supplier now for 17 months, though on two different tariffs. They tweaked my DD a couple of months ago, for the first time, to add an extra £3 pm to my DD, because I was slipping slightly behind. Paying more or less the same each and every month, makes it easy to budget, though I have absolutely no need to budget. I don't need to remember to pay the bill. It makes it easier for the energy company to budget too and it reduces their costs - which is reflected in keeper energy for their customers. Getting paid by you, as you consume, means the energy company doesn't have to borrow to pay their bills, another saving which they pass on to the customer in lower bills - What's not to like in having lower bills? |
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On Mon, 05 Apr 2021 09:19:24 +0100, Harry Bloomfield, Esq. wrote:
NY pretended : Does "pay monthly by direct debit" imply the spawn-of-the-devil budgeted payments where you don't pay the bill for what you have *actually* used, but instead pay what the utility company anticipates you will use, based on previous usage and fiddle-factors for what time of year it is? A variable DD is what I have used for many years and it works absolutely great. I have always kept a close eye on my consumption of both E & G, I record it in a spreadsheet once per week out of curiosity - so I can fairly accurately predict what my annual consumption will be. I then simply provide that figure when looking for a new tariff contract, to get the cheapest/best quote. The DD amount is set to a monthly figure which will remain roughly the same for the following 12 months, but if I get ahead or behind, they can tweak it slightly to match to correct the error. Each month, they email a bill to me, which shows my consumption and whether I owe them, or they owe me. Following the past few months of it being exceptionally cold, I owe them the grand sum of £6.98 on my combined utility bill. I have been with the same supplier now for 17 months, though on two different tariffs. They tweaked my DD a couple of months ago, for the first time, to add an extra £3 pm to my DD, because I was slipping slightly behind. Paying more or less the same each and every month, makes it easy to budget, though I have absolutely no need to budget. I don't need to remember to pay the bill. It makes it easier for the energy company to budget too and it reduces their costs - which is reflected in keeper energy for their customers. Getting paid by you, as you consume, means the energy company doesn't have to borrow to pay their bills, another saving which they pass on to the customer in lower bills - What's not to like in having lower bills? I do something similar with my electricity only supplier. I keep a weekly numbers check on a spreadsheet, because on some occasions in the past previous suppliers got the off peak and on peak meter readings reversed, though I now submit readings monthly. I still get a cost disparity from my spreadsheet usage and to what they say I have used. I originally thought it was VAT, but my original tariff quote included VAT. One of the problems is the energy company always rounds up with a future reading. |
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