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tim... wrote:
Having not got useful answers from the TV group, I'm going to try asking
this here

I'm currently watching reruns of Zen on Drama

and the sound is decidedly off

There's no sync between lip movements and the actual spoken dialogue

Sometimes it's off by a small amount and other times it's completely
wrong.

And there's lots of panning away from peoples faces whilst they are
continuing to talk.

It's like they didn't record the sound from the original action, just
got the actors to mumble a bit of the dialogue and then dubbed it all in
afterwards

It's a multi-country production so they may have decided that if the are
going to have to dub in multiple languages, they might just as well dub
the English in as well

Is this a known form of TV production, sometimes used, frequently used,
or never used?

Very unusual to totally post sync dialogue on a TV prog made originally in
English. Although common at one time on feature films.

Only time it's usually done is if shooting in a very noisy place where
location recording of the dialogue impossible. Or to fix a fault found
subsequently. It's rather an expensive thing to do properly.

I'm also intending watching it. I'll have a better idea after that.


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I'm also intending watching it. I'll have a better idea after that.

I watched the first few minutes of Ep1 - recorded off air on a Humax. The
shooting sequence. Perfectly normal radio mics. And in sync.

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Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
I'm also intending watching it. I'll have a better idea after that.

I watched the first few minutes of Ep1 - recorded off air on a Humax. The
shooting sequence. Perfectly normal radio mics. And in sync.

However

it was E2 where I noticed it

I had deleted E1 by then

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tim... wrote:


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In article ,
Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
I'm also intending watching it. I'll have a better idea after that.

I watched the first few minutes of Ep1 - recorded off air on a Humax. The
shooting sequence. Perfectly normal radio mics. And in sync.

However

it was E2 where I noticed it

I had deleted E1 by then

Very unlikely they had a major change in production technique between eps.
Most likely a fault in the transmission, or your end.

Did you watch it live, recorded, or catch up?

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tim... wrote:


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In article ,
Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
I'm also intending watching it. I'll have a better idea after that.

I watched the first few minutes of Ep1 - recorded off air on a Humax.
The
shooting sequence. Perfectly normal radio mics. And in sync.

However

it was E2 where I noticed it

I had deleted E1 by then

Very unlikely they had a major change in production technique between eps.
Most likely a fault in the transmission, or your end.

Did you watch it live, recorded, or catch up?

on my PVR

but FTAOD, it's simply wasn't out of sync.

It was completely different to the lip movements

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Â*Â* Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
I'm also intending watching it. I'll have a better idea after that.

I watched the first few minutes of Ep1 - recorded off air on a
Humax. The
shooting sequence. Perfectly normal radio mics. And in sync.

However

it was E2 where I noticed it

I had deleted E1 by then

Very unlikely they had a major change in production technique between
eps.
Most likely a fault in the transmission, or your end.

Did you watch it live, recorded, or catch up?

on my PVR

but FTAOD, it's simply wasn't out of sync.

It was completely different to the lip movements



FTAOD - I take it that "completely" is an exaggeration?

I've seen what looks like poor re-dubbing. The only thing I've
discovered is that you can make it even worse by using higher video
compression.

Well, less i-frames and bigger GOPs. This could make sense, as the
reconstructed frames following an i-frame must be biassed by the decode
being a composite of several - time-separated - frames. This implies
that what you see will not be audibly or visually in sync.

Err - I think.

PA

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"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
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In article ,
Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
I'm also intending watching it. I'll have a better idea after that.

I watched the first few minutes of Ep1 - recorded off air on a Humax.
The
shooting sequence. Perfectly normal radio mics. And in sync.

However

it was E2 where I noticed it

I had deleted E1 by then

Very unlikely they had a major change in production technique between eps.
Most likely a fault in the transmission, or your end.

Did you watch it live, recorded, or catch up?

on my PVR

but FTAOD, it's simply wasn't out of sync.

It was completely different to the lip movements

I'll look at it later. Just to confirm, the entire prog was like this or
just some of it?



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tim... wrote:


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tim... wrote:


"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
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In article ,
Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
I'm also intending watching it. I'll have a better idea after that.

I watched the first few minutes of Ep1 - recorded off air on a
Humax.
The
shooting sequence. Perfectly normal radio mics. And in sync.

However

it was E2 where I noticed it

I had deleted E1 by then

Very unlikely they had a major change in production technique between
eps.
Most likely a fault in the transmission, or your end.

Did you watch it live, recorded, or catch up?

on my PVR

but FTAOD, it's simply wasn't out of sync.

It was completely different to the lip movements

I'll look at it later. Just to confirm, the entire prog was like this or
just some of it?

Enough of it for you not to have to watch very much to spot it

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tim... wrote:


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tim... wrote:


"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
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In article ,
Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
I'm also intending watching it. I'll have a better idea after that.

I watched the first few minutes of Ep1 - recorded off air on a
Humax.
The
shooting sequence. Perfectly normal radio mics. And in sync.

However

it was E2 where I noticed it

I had deleted E1 by then

Very unlikely they had a major change in production technique between
eps.
Most likely a fault in the transmission, or your end.

Did you watch it live, recorded, or catch up?

on my PVR

but FTAOD, it's simply wasn't out of sync.

It was completely different to the lip movements

I'll look at it later. Just to confirm, the entire prog was like this or
just some of it?

Right

Ep3

about 41 minutes in. Zen is in the big white hall taking with someone

Sometimes the dialogue is in sync with the lip movements

sometimes they are out of synch, sometimes early and sometimes late