https://youtu.be/J9b0J29OzAU

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Commander Kinsey wrote

https://youtu.be/J9b0J29OzAU

Trying to think of how to use that around the
house, and not just to keep the cat amused.

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What is it one of them there kiddiees linear motor demo kits?
Idel for launching things that break ornaments.
Brian

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Commander Kinsey wrote
https://youtu.be/J9b0J29OzAU

Trying to think of how to use that around the house, and not just to keep
the cat amused.

Brian Gaff (Sofa) wrote

What is it one of them there kiddiees linear motor demo kits?

For those in the non uk.d-i-y groups, Brian is blind.

It’s a battery with a magnet on each end which
allows the battery to move in metal spiral.

Idel for launching things that break ornaments.

Not in this case, it runs in the spiral and doesn't
go far if it comes out the end of the spiral. Goes
until the battery is flat if the spiral is in a loop.

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Commander Kinsey wrote
https://youtu.be/J9b0J29OzAU

Trying to think of how to use that around the house, and not just to keep
the cat amused.

"Rod Speed"
Mon, 15 Feb 2021 16:39:57 GMT in
alt.computer.workshop, wrote:

Brian Gaff (Sofa) wrote

What is it one of them there kiddiees linear motor demo kits?

For those in the non uk.d-i-y groups, Brian is blind.

It’s a battery with a magnet on each end which
allows the battery to move in metal spiral.

Idel for launching things that break ornaments.

Not in this case, it runs in the spiral and doesn't
go far if it comes out the end of the spiral. Goes
until the battery is flat if the spiral is in a loop.

I'm curious to know approx how long it would run in a level loop, and the
same calcs performed on a loop with a hill or two for it. So that one could
see how much additional energy is consumed if it has to climb in any way.

I'd also want to know if the battery structure changes the runtime by a
significant amount. Various lithium based, aklaline, etc, versions.



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Gremlin wrote
Rod Speed wrote
Brian Gaff (Sofa) wrote

What is it one of them there kiddiees linear motor demo kits?

For those in the non uk.d-i-y groups, Brian is blind.

It’s a battery with a magnet on each end which
allows the battery to move in metal spiral.

Ideal for launching things that break ornaments.

Not in this case, it runs in the spiral and doesn't
go far if it comes out the end of the spiral. Goes
until the battery is flat if the spiral is in a loop.

I'm curious to know approx how long it would run in a level loop,

Until the battery is flat.

and the same calcs performed on a loop with a hill or two for it.

The battery will go flat quicker.

So that one could see how much additional energy
is consumed if it has to climb in any way.

I'd also want to know if the battery structure changes the runtime by
a significant amount. Various lithium based, aklaline, etc, versions.

Some go flat quicker than others.

"Rod Speed"
Sun, 14 Feb 2021 19:57:03 GMT in alt.computer.workshop, wrote:

Commander Kinsey wrote

https://youtu.be/J9b0J29OzAU

Trying to think of how to use that around the
house, and not just to keep the cat amused.


That particular prototype isn't making much usable energy for anything
practical...



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Gremlin wrote
Rod Speed wrote
Commander Kinsey wrote

https://youtu.be/J9b0J29OzAU

Trying to think of how to use that around the
house, and not just to keep the cat amused.

That particular prototype isn't making much
usable energy for anything practical...

The only one talking about making useable energy is you.

"Rod Speed"
Tue, 16 Feb 2021 07:57:49 GMT in alt.computer.workshop, wrote:

Gremlin wrote
Rod Speed wrote
Commander Kinsey wrote

https://youtu.be/J9b0J29OzAU

Trying to think of how to use that around the
house, and not just to keep the cat amused.

That particular prototype isn't making much
usable energy for anything practical...

The only one talking about making useable energy is you.

You were trying to think of how to use it around the house, for something
more than cat amusement. Energy has more than one form, so even though you
probably slept thru your science classes and didn't realize it, it would
require some form of energy to do what you were thinking about. So, I'm not
the only one talking about energy here, you were as well; even though you
clearly, heh, didn't know it.


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Gremlin wrote
Rod Speed wrote
Gremlin wrote
Rod Speed wrote
Commander Kinsey wrote

https://youtu.be/J9b0J29OzAU

Trying to think of how to use that around the
house, and not just to keep the cat amused.

That particular prototype isn't making much
usable energy for anything practical...

The only one talking about making useable energy is you.

You were trying to think of how to use it around the
house, for something more than cat amusement.

Yes, but not actually stupid enough to think it might
be useful for generating energy, because I know how
it works and realise it just uses energy. But did wonder
if the movement over along distance might be useful.

Energy has more than one form,

You quite sure you aint actually one of those rocket
scientist pathetic excuses for a bull**** artists ?

it would require some form of energy
to do what you were thinking about.

But I realise that the battery provides that.

So, I'm not the only one talking about energy here,

You are the one mindlessly rabbiting on about
MAKING energy.

"Commander Kinsey"
news alt.computer.workshop, wrote:

https://youtu.be/J9b0J29OzAU

That's cool. Thanks for the share. I'd be interested to know if you can
explain how you think it works, without cheating, that is.




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Gremlin wrote
Commander Kinsey wrote

https://youtu.be/J9b0J29OzAU

That's cool. Thanks for the share. I'd be interested to know if you
can explain how you think it works, without cheating, that is.

Pretty simple really. The magnetic things on the ends of the
battery allows a circuit thru the metallic coil which allows a
current to flow thru the metallic coil which provides the force
to move the battery with its magnetic caps thru the coil.

"Rod Speed"
Tue, 16 Feb 2021 08:05:30 GMT in alt.computer.workshop, wrote:

Gremlin wrote
Commander Kinsey wrote

https://youtu.be/J9b0J29OzAU

That's cool. Thanks for the share. I'd be interested to know if you
can explain how you think it works, without cheating, that is.

Pretty simple really.

Ayep. I didn't realize you were going to post on behalf of Commander Kinsey
though. Any particular reason you felt the need to do that?

The magnetic things on the ends of the
battery allows a circuit thru the metallic coil which allows a
current to flow thru the metallic coil which provides the force
to move the battery with its magnetic caps thru the coil.

The magnetic things? rofl, k...


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Gremlin wrote
Rod Speed wrote
Gremlin wrote
Commander Kinsey wrote

https://youtu.be/J9b0J29OzAU

That's cool. Thanks for the share. I'd be interested to know if you
can explain how you think it works, without cheating, that is.

Pretty simple really.

Ayep. I didn't realize you were going to post
on behalf of Commander Kinsey though.

I didn’t.

Any particular reason you felt the need to do that?

I didn’t, because I didn’t.

The magnetic things on the ends of the battery allows
a circuit thru the metallic coil which allows a current
to flow thru the metallic coil which provides the force
to move the battery with its magnetic caps thru the coil.

The magnetic things? rofl, k...

Having fun down there on the floor, child ?

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"Rod Speed"
Thu, 18 Feb 2021 06:07:54 GMT in alt.computer.workshop, wrote:

Gremlin wrote
Rod Speed wrote
Gremlin wrote
Commander Kinsey wrote

https://youtu.be/J9b0J29OzAU

That's cool. Thanks for the share. I'd be interested to know if you
can explain how you think it works, without cheating, that is.

Pretty simple really.

Ayep. I didn't realize you were going to post
on behalf of Commander Kinsey though.

I didn’t.

Strange. I addressed the question specifically to Commander Kinsey.

Any particular reason you felt the need to do that?

I didn’t, because I didn’t.

You may want to review my post then. The question was directed at him,
specifically. I had a suspicion he didn't know what it actually was, which
is why I asked him about it.

The magnetic things on the ends of the battery allows
a circuit thru the metallic coil which allows a current
to flow thru the metallic coil which provides the force
to move the battery with its magnetic caps thru the coil.

The magnetic things? rofl, k...

Having fun down there on the floor, child ?

child? heh, I know a linear motor when I see one.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linear_motor



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Gremlin wrote:
"Commander Kinsey"
news alt.computer.workshop, wrote:

https://youtu.be/J9b0J29OzAU

That's cool. Thanks for the share. I'd be interested to know if you can
explain how you think it works, without cheating, that is.

Pretty simple really. You look it up.

https://www.first4magnets.com/blog/h...using-magnets/

*******

The video is a bit deceiving, and to my eyes,
there's not much of a hint that the wire is
conducting. It does not look like shiny copper
wire, nor like tarnished copper wire. It's
"just a coil of something". There is no hint what
the material is. Why is that ? They've adjusted
the colour of the video (colour corrected to an unnatural
balance).

We live in a sad age. The age where we've forgotten
how to coat the outside of copper wire with nickel.
Using nickel, the contact properties of our coil
would be "excellent". If you use copper alone, it's
going to spark like a pig, or, the little train
will stop half way through the demo.

If it worked as stated, based on your experience
with copper conductors and electricity -- it should
throw sparks as the ends of the purported
projectile circulates. Yet we don't see any
sparks. Why is that ? A coil section that small,
there's going to be 500mA to an ampere of current
in the coil. There should be decent sparks.

When I was a kid, my uncle made me an electric
motor. Pieces of Iron wire in a bundle, was used for
cores. Enameled copper wire for the windings. The design
style is an "open frame", in other words, the worlds
most inefficient electric motor. It's a wonder these
rotate at all, but they do. (You sometimes have to
give them a flick with your finger, to get them running.)
More compact motors work much better, ones where the
magnetic pole pieces are continuously presented to one another.
There is "too much air" in these motors.

http://inventorartist.com/wp-content...GuyOrg-600.jpg

And the noteworthy part of the little motor,
was the sparks it would throw as the armature made
contact with the bared copper wires touching it. We
didn't use plates or springs or carbon brushes.
Just bared copper wire. You got a nice stream of
blue sparks as it rotated. And a bit of a sound effect.

Yet none of that is visible in the video, and
you have to wonder whether there is just a magnet
under the table and an accomplice.

If they wanted to impress us, their "table" should
have been a perspex sheet.

*******

When the copper coil has the ends touched together,
the battery and magnets continue past that section.
That can only happen, if the copper makes *excellent*
contact, between the two ends of the coil. Normally,
you would need to solder a copper coil ends like that
together, so the projectile would go round and round.
Yet, the demonstrator has no trouble at all, getting
his protege to jump the gap. He is able to hold
the ends of the copper wires together well enough,
so it can handle a relatively high current.

Their copper wire is "amazing". Never an ohmic moment.
I bid 300 quatloos for the copper wire used...

I would also like to know how they adjusted the
colour in the video, to suppress blue sparks. Was the
camera fitted with a filter, or were the sparks
removed in post ?

Paul

Paul Tue, 16 Feb
2021 09:22:24 GMT in alt.computer.workshop, wrote:

Gremlin wrote:
"Commander Kinsey"
news alt.computer.workshop, wrote:

https://youtu.be/J9b0J29OzAU

That's cool. Thanks for the share. I'd be interested to know if you can
explain how you think it works, without cheating, that is.

Pretty simple really. You look it up.

I already know how it works, that's why I asked the question mr smartass.

If it worked as stated, based on your experience
with copper conductors and electricity -- it should
throw sparks as the ends of the purported
projectile circulates. Yet we don't see any
sparks. Why is that ? A coil section that small,
there's going to be 500mA to an ampere of current
in the coil. There should be decent sparks.

There's no real load to speak of, and 1.5 volts isn't much.

You aren't going to get an amp of current out of the 1.5volt power source.
You could possibly acquire 500-750ma for a period of time though, but the
battery would quickly deplete if such a load was placed on it for any real
length of time. 1.5 volts doesn't go far on it's own, and there's no jewel
thief circuitry here to boost it up.

You aren't going to get sparks and arcs if theres no load and you have ****
for voltage to start with.

When I was a kid, my uncle made me an electric
motor. Pieces of Iron wire in a bundle, was used for
cores. Enameled copper wire for the windings. The design
style is an "open frame", in other words, the worlds
most inefficient electric motor. It's a wonder these
rotate at all, but they do. (You sometimes have to
give them a flick with your finger, to get them running.)
More compact motors work much better, ones where the
magnetic pole pieces are continuously presented to one another.
There is "too much air" in these motors.

That's quite a bit different than what we've observed in the video. That
home made motor actually puts a load on it's power source, AND, you have
reverse emf to deal with each time it cycles on/off, too; which contributes
to the sparks you see. Also, if you had the brushes a little closer and
spent a little more time with the windings, you wouldn't have to give it a
flick to get it started. The flicking you have to perform on occasion is
due to poor design implementation, not the motor itself.


And the noteworthy part of the little motor,
was the sparks it would throw as the armature made
contact with the bared copper wires touching it. We
didn't use plates or springs or carbon brushes.
Just bared copper wire. You got a nice stream of
blue sparks as it rotated. And a bit of a sound effect.

But of course, you were seeing the results of reverse polarity voltage
spike, due to the induction principle. And you have a lot more built up in
those coils on that motor, with higher voltage to start than the video
demonstration.

Yet none of that is visible in the video, and
you have to wonder whether there is just a magnet
under the table and an accomplice.

It could very well be, but for me, the lack of sparks don't indicate fake
video off the bat; only because of the very low voltage and current being
used.

If they wanted to impress us, their "table" should
have been a perspex sheet.

I don't disagree.

*******

When the copper coil has the ends touched together,
the battery and magnets continue past that section.
That can only happen, if the copper makes *excellent*
contact, between the two ends of the coil. Normally,
you would need to solder a copper coil ends like that
together, so the projectile would go round and round.
Yet, the demonstrator has no trouble at all, getting
his protege to jump the gap. He is able to hold
the ends of the copper wires together well enough,
so it can handle a relatively high current.

Without getting hot enough to burn him, yep. There's not much current there
to begin with, and the voltage level is so low to start, whatever reverse
kickback he's getting isn't enough to make lovely sparks. He's also not
putting much of a load on it, which doesn't help with making sparks.

I would also like to know how they adjusted the
colour in the video, to suppress blue sparks. Was the
camera fitted with a filter, or were the sparks
removed in post ?

I'm not convinced they are suppressing them. I don't believe there's enough
energy from the start to acquire them, atleast not large enough to stick
out.



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On Tue, 16 Feb 2021 06:57:08 -0000 (UTC), Gremlin, another mentally
challenged, troll-feeding, senile idiot, blathered:


That's cool. Thanks for the share. I'd be interested to know if you can
explain how you think it works, without cheating, that is.

It would be more interesting to see how long it will take you until you find
out what that sociopathic attention whore is about! BG

It happens that Commander Kinsey formulated :
https://youtu.be/J9b0J29OzAU

It is a linear motor self-powered-projectile rail gun prototype.

Assault with battery.

On Thu, 18 Feb 2021 06:26:27 -0500, FromTheRafters, another mentally
challenged, troll-feeding, senile moron, babbled:


It is a linear motor self-powered-projectile rail gun prototype.

Nope, it is a troll!

Assault with battery.

A troll with no brain!

On Thu, 18 Feb 2021 11:26:27 -0000, FromTheRafters wrote:

It happens that Commander Kinsey formulated :
https://youtu.be/J9b0J29OzAU

It is a linear motor self-powered-projectile rail gun prototype.

Assault with battery.

You need a Elon Musk's Tesla rifle:
https://gamepedia.cursecdn.com/fallo...esla_Rifle.png

FromTheRafters
Thu, 18 Feb 2021 11:26:27 GMT in alt.computer.workshop, wrote:

It happens that Commander Kinsey formulated :
https://youtu.be/J9b0J29OzAU

It is a linear motor self-powered-projectile rail gun prototype.

Assault with battery.


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