Back in the 1980s World in Action ran a scare story about timber
framed homes (specifically Barratt homes if I remember correctly)
which caused resale values of these types of houses to plummet.

Is this still the case? Are buyers and mortgage lenders wary of such
houses?

If I buy a 1980s Barratt timber framed home will I find it difficult
to sell in the future?
I am located in Yorks. Housing market is buoyant but I have a seen a
detached house for sale which is slightly cheaper than market value...
I know that these houses were timber framed ones built in the 1980s.

bruce

bruce phipps wrote:
Back in the 1980s World in Action ran a scare story about timber
framed homes (specifically Barratt homes if I remember correctly)
which caused resale values of these types of houses to plummet.

Is this still the case? Are buyers and mortgage lenders wary of such
houses?

If I buy a 1980s Barratt timber framed home will I find it difficult
to sell in the future?
I am located in Yorks. Housing market is buoyant but I have a seen a
detached house for sale which is slightly cheaper than market value...
I know that these houses were timber framed ones built in the 1980s.

bruce

I think that most houses in Scandinavia are timber framed. My first house
was a Yuill timber frame semi and I found it excellent for heat insulation
and soundproofing. I bought it for £3375 in 1969 and sold for £7400 after
seven years. When I moved into a conventional (brick/concrete block
construction), I was very disappointed with the levels of insulation (sound
& heat) and even experienced damp patches on walls due to bridged ties in
the walls. I then had to pay for cavity wall insualtion, which wasn't
necessary in my previous timber frame. If I ever planned to build my own
house, I would definitely go for a timber frame.

Terry D.

In article , Terry D wrote:
I think that most houses in Scandinavia are timber framed. My first
house was a Yuill timber frame semi and I found it excellent for heat
insulation and soundproofing. I bought it for £3375 in 1969 and sold
for £7400 after seven years. When I moved into a conventional
(brick/concrete block construction), I was very disappointed with the
levels of insulation (sound & heat) and even experienced damp patches
on walls due to bridged ties in the walls. I then had to pay for
cavity wall insualtion, which wasn't necessary in my previous timber
frame. If I ever planned to build my own house, I would definitely go
for a timber frame.

There's nothing wrong with timber frame - some advantages and some
disadvantages over masonry construction. The crucial thing though IMO is
that timber frame construction does require a higher standard of
workmanship (particularly wrt clear cavities, vapour barriers and fire
stopping) which was sadly lacking in those Barratt homes mentioned by
the OP. Everything depends on the site agent appreciating what is
required and enforcing it.

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Terry D wrote:

bruce phipps wrote:

Back in the 1980s World in Action ran a scare story about timber
framed homes (specifically Barratt homes if I remember correctly)
which caused resale values of these types of houses to plummet.

Is this still the case? Are buyers and mortgage lenders wary of such
houses?

If I buy a 1980s Barratt timber framed home will I find it difficult
to sell in the future?
I am located in Yorks. Housing market is buoyant but I have a seen a
detached house for sale which is slightly cheaper than market value...
I know that these houses were timber framed ones built in the 1980s.

bruce


I think that most houses in Scandinavia are timber framed. My first house
was a Yuill timber frame semi and I found it excellent for heat insulation
and soundproofing. I bought it for £3375 in 1969 and sold for £7400 after
seven years. When I moved into a conventional (brick/concrete block
construction), I was very disappointed with the levels of insulation (sound
& heat) and even experienced damp patches on walls due to bridged ties in
the walls. I then had to pay for cavity wall insualtion, which wasn't
necessary in my previous timber frame. If I ever planned to build my own
house, I would definitely go for a timber frame.

Terry D.


Good timber frame is very good. I just built a massive one.
Crap timber frame may be less so.

Barrat houses suffered from poor sound insulation and 'cardboard'
internal walls. Its not too hard to improve that, but you can't
eliminate it entirely.

On Thu, 09 Sep 2004 11:19:03 GMT, "Terry D"
wrote:

I think that most houses in Scandinavia are timber framed.

I believe there is a tremendous difference bwteen Scandinavian
timber-framed houses and Barratt/Wimpy offerings. Personally, I would
not touch one of the latter with the proverbial bargepole.

MM

"bruce phipps" wrote in message
om...
Back in the 1980s World in Action ran a scare story about timber
framed homes (specifically Barratt homes if I remember correctly)
which caused resale values of these types of houses to plummet.

A daughter did her thesis on timber framed houses at this time and spent a
lot of time researching the 'problem' houses featured in the story. It was,
as these things always are, blown out of proportion by journalists and in
any case the problems were isolated cases.

Timber framed houses have every possible advantage as far as I'm concerned,
I'd love to live in one, better still to build one.

Is this still the case? Are buyers and mortgage lenders wary of such
houses?

I don't know about that. Why not ask them?

If I buy a 1980s Barratt timber framed home will I find it difficult
to sell in the future?

I doubt it, memories won't go back as far as that and individual surveys
would, I'd have thought, have more weight than reputation.

I am located in Yorks. Housing market is buoyant but I have a seen a
detached house for sale which is slightly cheaper than market value...
I know that these houses were timber framed ones built in the 1980s.

This is a diy group, if you have problems can't you see to them yourself?
Timber framed houses per se aren't a problem. Think of those C14th ones
which are still going strong ...

Mary

bruce

On Thu, 9 Sep 2004 13:23:48 +0100, "Mary Fisher"
wrote:

Timber framed houses per se aren't a problem. Think of those C14th ones
which are still going strong ...

Think of all the C14th ones that fell down or rotted away long long ago...

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Mail john rather than nospam...

"John Laird" wrote in message
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On Thu, 9 Sep 2004 13:23:48 +0100, "Mary Fisher"

wrote:

Timber framed houses per se aren't a problem. Think of those C14th ones
which are still going strong ...

Think of all the C14th ones that fell down or rotted away long long ago...

Not within the span of modern houses.

And most didn't rot or fall down, they were demolished to make way for
something more modern.

Mary

On Thu, 9 Sep 2004 14:14:02 +0100, "Mary Fisher"
wrote:

"John Laird" wrote in message
.. .
On Thu, 9 Sep 2004 13:23:48 +0100, "Mary Fisher"

wrote:

Timber framed houses per se aren't a problem. Think of those C14th ones
which are still going strong ...

Think of all the C14th ones that fell down or rotted away long long ago...

Not within the span of modern houses.

I'll be impressed with how you know this.

As you pointed out, the fittest survive. It does not automatically follow
that they are representative of their generation. Just like old people.

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Mail john rather than nospam...

"John Laird" wrote in message
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On Thu, 9 Sep 2004 14:14:02 +0100, "Mary Fisher"

wrote:

"John Laird" wrote in message
.. .
On Thu, 9 Sep 2004 13:23:48 +0100, "Mary Fisher"

wrote:

Timber framed houses per se aren't a problem. Think of those C14th
ones
which are still going strong ...

Think of all the C14th ones that fell down or rotted away long long
ago...

Not within the span of modern houses.

I'll be impressed with how you know this.

I doubt that I could impress you. But I am an historian and have made a
study of timber framed buildings.

As you pointed out, the fittest survive. It does not automatically follow
that they are representative of their generation. Just like old people.

I don't understand your point there!

Mary

On Thu, 09 Sep 2004 13:44:34 +0100, John Laird
wrote:

On Thu, 9 Sep 2004 13:23:48 +0100, "Mary Fisher"
wrote:

Timber framed houses per se aren't a problem. Think of those C14th ones
which are still going strong ...

Think of all the C14th ones that fell down or rotted away long long ago...

Hi,

Doubt it if they were made of Oak, more likely demolished in the name
of 'progress'.

cheers,
Pete.

In article ,
Mary Fisher wrote:
This is a diy group, if you have problems can't you see to them yourself?
Timber framed houses per se aren't a problem. Think of those C14th ones
which are still going strong ...

But the 14th century ones were made of real timber.

--
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Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

On Thu, 9 Sep 2004 13:23:48 +0100, "Mary Fisher"
wrote:

This is a diy group, if you have problems can't you see to them yourself?
Timber framed houses per se aren't a problem. Think of those C14th ones
which are still going strong ...

Er, did these happen to have been constructed from massive oak beams
by any chance? I really don't expect many people in 2604 will be
seeing ancient 1980s Barratt homes around.

MM

"Mike Mitchell" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 9 Sep 2004 13:23:48 +0100, "Mary Fisher"
wrote:

This is a diy group, if you have problems can't you see to them yourself?
Timber framed houses per se aren't a problem. Think of those C14th ones
which are still going strong ...

Er, did these happen to have been constructed from massive oak beams
by any chance? I really don't expect many people in 2604 will be
seeing ancient 1980s Barratt homes around.

I did say "per se" :-)

Mary

MM

In message , bruce
phipps writes
Back in the 1980s World in Action ran a scare story about timber
framed homes (specifically Barratt homes if I remember correctly)
which caused resale values of these types of houses to plummet.

Is this still the case? Are buyers and mortgage lenders wary of such
houses?

If I buy a 1980s Barratt timber framed home will I find it difficult
to sell in the future?
I am located in Yorks. Housing market is buoyant but I have a seen a
detached house for sale which is slightly cheaper than market value...
I know that these houses were timber framed ones built in the 1980s.

bruce

I cant really answer the specific question for you, but if you look
around, you will probably find lots of timber framed buildings, (houses
& apartment blocks), being built right now, which suggests that the
builders of new homes do not have a problem selling them.

It's also likely that lots of people will have forgotten about the
story, which almost certainly focussed on the minority of property's
with problems.

Can you tell whether there has been a steady flow of property sales on
the estate over the years??

Having said that, if you have any doubts based upon actual evidence,
dont do it - buy somewhere else. You will never forgive yourself if it
goes wrong when you come to sell.

--
Richard Faulkner

"Richard Faulkner" wrote in message

Having said that, if you have any doubts based upon actual evidence,
dont do it - buy somewhere else. You will never forgive yourself if it
goes wrong when you come to sell.

But isn't buying a house about more than selling it ... ?

Mary

--
Richard Faulkner

In message , Mary
Fisher writes

"Richard Faulkner" wrote in message

Having said that, if you have any doubts based upon actual evidence,
dont do it - buy somewhere else. You will never forgive yourself if it
goes wrong when you come to sell.

But isn't buying a house about more than selling it ... ?

Mary


Yes, very much so IMO, but the OP asked the question, and I merely tried
to answer it.

Funnily enough, one of the most common questions, when I was selling
houses, was to do with resale in the future, so perhaps we are in a
minority.

In reality, most people buy a house as a home, but with a substantial
weighting given to future prospects when selling.

--
Richard Faulkner

"Richard Faulkner" wrote in message
...
In message , Mary
Fisher writes

"Richard Faulkner" wrote in message

Having said that, if you have any doubts based upon actual evidence,
dont do it - buy somewhere else. You will never forgive yourself if it
goes wrong when you come to sell.

But isn't buying a house about more than selling it ... ?

Mary


Yes, very much so IMO, but the OP asked the question, and I merely tried
to answer it.

Funnily enough, one of the most common questions, when I was selling
houses, was to do with resale in the future, so perhaps we are in a
minority.

In reality, most people buy a house as a home, but with a substantial
weighting given to future prospects when selling.

I doubt that we'll ever sell this, unless we're bedbound. We've been here
for forty odd years and can't see a reason for moving.

A son was here earlier and we were talking about this, I opined that if our
first house hadn't been coming down for 're-development' (it still isn't
re-developed, it was slum clearance but they'd have had to pay us more
compensation for that!) we'd probably still be there. It was a one up and
down end terrace, cold water and lavvy down the street.

We're not ambitious, it was once said of us that our get-up-and-go got up
and went.

To us a house is for living in between times, somewhere to come back to
occasionally.

Mary

--
Richard Faulkner

"Richard Faulkner" wrote
| Mary Fisher writes
| But isn't buying a house about more than selling it ... ?
| Yes, very much so IMO, but the OP asked the question, and I merely
| tried to answer it.
| Funnily enough, one of the most common questions, when I was selling
| houses, was to do with resale in the future, so perhaps we are in a
| minority.
| In reality, most people buy a house as a home, but with a substantial
| weighting given to future prospects when selling.

Not unreasonably, as for most people the liklihood is that they will move
within a few years (job, etc) unlike our parents' or grandparents'
generations who were much more likely to die in the street in which they
were born.

And while in the past if you sold a house in one part of the country you
were fairly confident you could buy something in another part, with house
prices zooming all over the place, there is a real risk of buying a house or
in an area that will not keep pace with the general housing market.

Owain

"Owain" wrote in message
...
"Richard Faulkner" wrote
| Mary Fisher writes
| But isn't buying a house about more than selling it ... ?
| Yes, very much so IMO, but the OP asked the question, and I merely
| tried to answer it.

Quite right. I was just putting another perspective.

| Funnily enough, one of the most common questions, when I was selling
| houses, was to do with resale in the future, so perhaps we are in a
| minority.

No, sadly, I think that most people DO see a house as an investment. It's
part of living in a money-oriented age.

Not unreasonably, as for most people the liklihood is that they will move
within a few years (job, etc)

Or making a profit on their house :-)

unlike our parents' or grandparents'
generations who were much more likely to die in the street in which they
were born.

My mother (now 92) never owned a house in her life. She's now living in her
(gets out fingers) eighth dwelling. I'm still living in my fifth - one was
for eight months, one for four years then it was demolished.

And while in the past if you sold a house in one part of the country you
were fairly confident you could buy something in another part, with house
prices zooming all over the place, there is a real risk of buying a house
or
in an area that will not keep pace with the general housing market.

I know. Funny old world, innit! People pay enormous amounts to live in an
overcrowded, overpriced, not even very nice part of the country ...

Mary

Owain

On Thu, 9 Sep 2004 20:08:10 +0100, Richard Faulkner
wrote:

I cant really answer the specific question for you, but if you look
around, you will probably find lots of timber framed buildings, (houses
& apartment blocks), being built right now, which suggests that the
builders of new homes do not have a problem selling them.

Why oh why will people not compare like with like! A privately built
timber-framed home from the likes of Potton or similar is worlds away
from the crap jerry-built rabbit hutches thrown up in the 1980s.

MM

"bruce phipps" wrote in message
om...
Back in the 1980s World in Action ran a scare story about timber
framed homes (specifically Barratt homes if I remember correctly)
which caused resale values of these types of houses to plummet.

Is this still the case? Are buyers and mortgage lenders wary of such
houses?

If I buy a 1980s Barratt timber framed home will I find it difficult
to sell in the future?
I am located in Yorks. Housing market is buoyant but I have a seen a
detached house for sale which is slightly cheaper than market value...
I know that these houses were timber framed ones built in the 1980s.

bruce

Still buiding them. Saw some flats go up in Pudsey (Leeds) recently that
seemed to be timber framed. Would hate to think what would happen with a
spot of woodworm going unnoticed for a few years as the timbers didn't seem
particularly thick.

"Brett Jackson" wrote in message
...


"bruce phipps" wrote in message
om...
Back in the 1980s World in Action ran a scare story about timber
framed homes (specifically Barratt homes if I remember correctly)
which caused resale values of these types of houses to plummet.

Is this still the case? Are buyers and mortgage lenders wary of such
houses?

If I buy a 1980s Barratt timber framed home will I find it difficult
to sell in the future?
I am located in Yorks. Housing market is buoyant but I have a seen a
detached house for sale which is slightly cheaper than market value...
I know that these houses were timber framed ones built in the 1980s.

bruce

Still buiding them. Saw some flats go up in Pudsey (Leeds) recently that
seemed to be timber framed. Would hate to think what would happen with a
spot of woodworm going unnoticed for a few years as the timbers didn't
seem
particularly thick.

I suspect that if timber were being used even in Pudsey (which I call
Bradford!) it would be treated against such things.

Mary

"Mary Fisher" wrote in message
. net...

"Brett Jackson" wrote in message
...


"bruce phipps" wrote in message
om...
Back in the 1980s World in Action ran a scare story about timber
framed homes (specifically Barratt homes if I remember correctly)
which caused resale values of these types of houses to plummet.

Is this still the case? Are buyers and mortgage lenders wary of such
houses?

If I buy a 1980s Barratt timber framed home will I find it difficult
to sell in the future?
I am located in Yorks. Housing market is buoyant but I have a seen a
detached house for sale which is slightly cheaper than market value...
I know that these houses were timber framed ones built in the 1980s.

bruce

Still buiding them. Saw some flats go up in Pudsey (Leeds) recently
that
seemed to be timber framed. Would hate to think what would happen with
a
spot of woodworm going unnoticed for a few years as the timbers didn't
seem
particularly thick.

I suspect that if timber were being used even in Pudsey (which I call
Bradford!) it would be treated against such things.

Mary







You never know though. Would you be 100% confident that all had been
treated and ventilated proberly. It's a different thing when you can access
the timber than when it's hidden away - or maybe it's just me who would
worry too much about such a thing.

I hear rumour that the Tyersal end of Pudsey is ditching it's BD post codes
for LS28 post codes sometime soon. Post code snobbery at it's best!

"Brett Jackson" wrote in message
...

Still buiding them. Saw some flats go up in Pudsey (Leeds) recently
that
seemed to be timber framed. Would hate to think what would happen
with
a
spot of woodworm going unnoticed for a few years as the timbers didn't
seem
particularly thick.

I suspect that if timber were being used even in Pudsey (which I call
Bradford!) it would be treated against such things.

Mary







You never know though. Would you be 100% confident that all had been
treated and ventilated proberly.

You can never been 100% sure about anything unless you do it yourself.

It's a different thing when you can access
the timber than when it's hidden away - or maybe it's just me who would
worry too much about such a thing.

Maybe it is ...

I hear rumour that the Tyersal end of Pudsey is ditching it's BD post
codes
for LS28 post codes sometime soon. Post code snobbery at it's best!

Isn't it Royal Mail which decides post codes? I don't know for sure but I
always thought it was.

Who do the Tyersal residents pay council tax to? That's the test.

Mary

"Mary Fisher" wrote in message
. net...

snip
I hear rumour that the Tyersal end of Pudsey is ditching it's BD post
codes
for LS28 post codes sometime soon. Post code snobbery at it's best!

Isn't it Royal Mail which decides post codes? I don't know for sure but I
always thought it was.

Who do the Tyersal residents pay council tax to? That's the test.

Mary

They pay Council Tax to Leeds. Residents of Tyersal have been trying to get
the post code changed ever since they were introduced. When I lived there I
had a Bradford phone number, Bradford post code but paid council tax to
Leeds. This can cause no end of problems when trying to access Council
services.
Regards,
Iain, ex Tyersal resident

In message , Mary
Fisher writes

"Brett Jackson" wrote in message
...
..

I hear rumour that the Tyersal end of Pudsey is ditching it's BD post
codes
for LS28 post codes sometime soon. Post code snobbery at it's best!

Isn't it Royal Mail which decides post codes? I don't know for sure but I
always thought it was.

Who do the Tyersal residents pay council tax to? That's the test.

No it's not, council boundaries and postcode boundaries do not have to
coincide.

There are also bits of Leeds Council area that have Wakefield postcodes
for example.
--
Chris French, Leeds

In article ,
Brett Jackson wrote:
You never know though. Would you be 100% confident that all had been
treated and ventilated proberly. It's a different thing when you can
access the timber than when it's hidden away - or maybe it's just me who
would worry too much about such a thing.

A friend with a pretty expensive timber framed detached bungalow had to
have many thousands of pounds worth of repairs to the roofing timbers
through lack of ventilation - as had others on the estate. Several had
been sold, but no surveyor apparently picked up the problem on those.

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Brett Jackson wrote:

"Mary Fisher" wrote in message
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"Brett Jackson" wrote in message
...


"bruce phipps" wrote in message
e.com...

Back in the 1980s World in Action ran a scare story about timber
framed homes (specifically Barratt homes if I remember correctly)
which caused resale values of these types of houses to plummet.

Is this still the case? Are buyers and mortgage lenders wary of such
houses?

If I buy a 1980s Barratt timber framed home will I find it difficult
to sell in the future?
I am located in Yorks. Housing market is buoyant but I have a seen a
detached house for sale which is slightly cheaper than market value...
I know that these houses were timber framed ones built in the 1980s.

bruce

Still buiding them. Saw some flats go up in Pudsey (Leeds) recently

that

seemed to be timber framed. Would hate to think what would happen with

a

spot of woodworm going unnoticed for a few years as the timbers didn't

seem

particularly thick.

I suspect that if timber were being used even in Pudsey (which I call
Bradford!) it would be treated against such things.

Mary






You never know though. Would you be 100% confident that all had been
treated and ventilated proberly.

fairly, tes.

The structural timber comes pressure tretaed as standard, and the bits
that affect damp are heavily scrutinised by the BCO.

tandrad practice is brick footings. DPM, brick plinth, maybe second DPM,
then frame up in treated softwood on top of that. Skinned with marine
type ply, airgap, then breathable membrane and eiother render or timber
cladding.

Stids packed with rockwool and plasterboarded internally. Makes
cable/pipe running easy, very warm, very dry.


It's a different thing when you can access
the timber than when it's hidden away - or maybe it's just me who would
worry too much about such a thing.

You will get damp patches on te walls long before the timber rots.

I hear rumour that the Tyersal end of Pudsey is ditching it's BD post codes
for LS28 post codes sometime soon. Post code snobbery at it's best!

"Brett Jackson" wrote in message
...
snip
I hear rumour that the Tyersal end of Pudsey is ditching it's BD post
codes
for LS28 post codes sometime soon. Post code snobbery at it's best!


I moved from Tyersal to Stanningley in Feb this year, one of the primary
reasons being to get a change of post code. Although Tyersal is part of
Pudsey, which is part of Leeds, it has a BD4 post code. Tyersal is located
next to one of the worst sink estates in Bradford and we had a lot of
problems caused by yobs from that estate. When I moved to an LS28 post code
my house contents insurance dropped from over £23 per month to £10.
Regards,
Iain, enjoying life in Stanningley, Pudsey

"Iain Gordon" wrote in message
...

"Brett Jackson" wrote in message
...
snip
I hear rumour that the Tyersal end of Pudsey is ditching it's BD post
codes
for LS28 post codes sometime soon. Post code snobbery at it's best!


I moved from Tyersal to Stanningley in Feb this year, one of the primary
reasons being to get a change of post code. Although Tyersal is part of
Pudsey, which is part of Leeds, it has a BD4 post code. Tyersal is located
next to one of the worst sink estates in Bradford and we had a lot of
problems caused by yobs from that estate. When I moved to an LS28 post
code
my house contents insurance dropped from over £23 per month to £10.
Regards,
Iain, enjoying life in Stanningley, Pudsey

Are you saying there are no sink estates in Leeds - in Stanningley?

We live in Chapeltown (Leeds, not Pudsey) and don't have problems. I
wouldn't move to get a change of post code.

Mary

"Mary Fisher" wrote in message
news:4141a830$0$22316
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I suspect that if timber were being used even in Pudsey (which I call
Bradford!) it would be treated against such things.

Mary
Oi! I live in Pudsey and it definitely aint Bradford !!!!!!!!!!!!
Unfortunately, I have to work in Bradford.

"Iain Gordon" wrote in message
...

"Mary Fisher" wrote in message
news:4141a830$0$22316
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I suspect that if timber were being used even in Pudsey (which I call
Bradford!) it would be treated against such things.

Mary
Oi! I live in Pudsey and it definitely aint Bradford !!!!!!!!!!!!
Unfortunately, I have to work in Bradford.

You moved to get a new postcode, move to get a different job.

If it's so important ...

Mary

"Mary Fisher" wrote in message
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snip
You moved to get a new postcode, move to get a different job.

If it's so important ...

Mary


Not worth it, I've only got 6 years to do then they can stuff the job.

regards,
Iain

On Fri, 10 Sep 2004 13:27:39 +0100, "Brett Jackson"
wrote:




Still buiding them. Saw some flats go up in Pudsey (Leeds) recently that
seemed to be timber framed. Would hate to think what would happen with a
spot of woodworm going unnoticed for a few years as the timbers didn't seem
particularly thick.



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paper mache.
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